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11th Dec '17 3:13:21 PM BrendanRizzo
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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a [[GodwinsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). As a matter of fact, the antifa coup planned for 11/4/2017 ammounted to a single protest. But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.

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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a [[GodwinsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). As a matter of fact, the antifa coup planned for 11/4/2017 ammounted to a single protest.protest which nobody heard about. But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.
11th Nov '17 5:03:38 PM dvorak
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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite}}, they attempt to justify themselves when confronted with this, saying;
[[quoteblock]] That's arguably a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]

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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite}}, they attempt to justify themselves when confronted with this, saying;\n[[quoteblock]] That's
** That's
arguably a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]
11th Nov '17 5:02:08 PM dvorak
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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite}}, they attempt to justify themselves, saying;
[[quoteblock]] That's arguably a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]

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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite}}, they attempt to justify themselves, themselves when confronted with this, saying;
[[quoteblock]] That's That's arguably a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]
11th Nov '17 4:58:28 PM dvorak
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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite, they attempt to justify themselves by saying;
[[quoteblock]] That's a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]

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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite, {{Hypocrite}}, they attempt to justify themselves by themselves, saying;
[[quoteblock]] That's That's arguably a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]
11th Nov '17 4:57:17 PM dvorak
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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices.
** That's arguably a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/folder]]

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* Sociology teachers who preach that prejudice needs institutional power to be racism or sexism, and therefore you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men, are using the institutional power granted to them by the school to promote their prejudices.
** That's arguably
prejudices. Like any {{Hypocrite, they attempt to justify themselves by saying;
[[quoteblock]] That's
a misunderstanding of terminology. The idea isn't that prejudice isn't always unjustified and wrong, just that the sociological definition of oppression does not include actions carried out by individuals who don't enjoy a wide cultural climate that allows them to harm others by exploiting an unequal power dynamic. Basically, prejudice is always wrong, but indivuidual prejudice has no place being studied by sociologists, it isn't a society-wide phenomenon with universal repercussions.[[/quoteblock]]
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6th Nov '17 12:11:49 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/HemlockGrove'': Roman utterly despises his manipulative mother Olivia and did everything possible to distance himself from her, but he ends up becoming a remorseless, selfish predator quite like her with just as little regard for human life or collateral damage.
5th Nov '17 1:28:22 AM dvorak
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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a [[GodwynsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). As a matter of fact, the antifa coup planned for 11/4/2017 ammounted to a single protest. But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.

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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a [[GodwynsLaw [[GodwinsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). As a matter of fact, the antifa coup planned for 11/4/2017 ammounted to a single protest. But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.
5th Nov '17 1:26:57 AM dvorak
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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a [[GodwynsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.

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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a [[GodwynsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). As a matter of fact, the antifa coup planned for 11/4/2017 ammounted to a single protest. But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.
5th Nov '17 1:23:25 AM dvorak
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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a nazi, and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.

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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a nazi, [[GodwynsLaw nazi]], and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.
5th Nov '17 12:49:34 AM dvorak
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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible) soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.

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* The anti-fascist movement was founded to counter, well, fascism, but their heavy-handed tactics and what bystanders perceived as a love of physical violence (they argued it was more of a moral necessity to be as firm as possible) possible, but their WithUsOrAgainstUs rhetoric spoke for itself-If you're not antifa, you're a nazi, and nazis get "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown punched]]") soon got them compared to Brownshirts; especially when, despite short-lived but intense mainstream enthusiasm for far-right ideas, most of the totalitarian states they were worried about failed to happen. How accurate the comparison is remains debatable: antifascists have never actually instated a dictatorship or killed anyone in decades, unlike the fascists states they were created to fight (the most recent antifascist victim of such a group is Heather Heyer, killed in August 2017). But it still reveals how such a committed group had to eventually consider violent methods when trying to reduce violence to a minimum, making it an example of this trope in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism.
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