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11th Jun '16 1:11:46 PM Eievie
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You will not often see this trope in shows produced before the 60s or so, except in cases where the woman is already married to the man whose interest she wants to (re)acquire. The common trope before the 1960's was that [[MadonnaWhoreComplex men would happily tumble into bed with women who said "yes" but would only marry the woman who said "no".]] This makes ''Grease'', set in the 1950s, somewhat anachronistic, as a real-life Sandy would have been seen in her time frame as doing ''exactly the wrong thing'' to catch Danny--unless she only wanted to catch him for the night. As the bad boy, however, Danny is intentionally at odds with the conventional morality of his time.

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You will not often see this trope in shows produced before the 60s 1960s or so, except in cases where the woman is already married to the man whose interest she wants to (re)acquire. The common trope before the 1960's 1960s was that [[MadonnaWhoreComplex men would happily tumble into bed with women who said "yes" but would only marry the woman who said "no".]] "no"]]. This makes ''Grease'', set in the 1950s, somewhat anachronistic, as a real-life Sandy would have been seen in her time frame as doing ''exactly the wrong thing'' to catch Danny--unless she only wanted to catch him for the night. As the bad boy, however, Danny is intentionally at odds with the conventional morality of his time.



* TropeCodifier, Sandy in ''Film/{{Grease}}'' changes from a sweet girl next door to a bad girl.[[note]] Creator/MarieOsmond turned down the role ''because'' of the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop.[[/note]] The film also shows Danny ''trying'' to become the Varsity Good Guy to be with Sandy -- still, he's extremely glad she made those changes. Kind of weird as they had a relationship that apparently more or less ''worked'' before she changed to fit in with his friends. The 1950s (in which the film is set) actually put a good deal of value on fitting in with one's social group, and the 1970s (in which the film was made) was all about reinventing yourself to make your life better.
** Subverted by the 2016 Live TV version. In this adaptation, Sandy is given a backstory in-which her parents have always had a lot of control over her life. This is emphasized by how she lies to them about going to study at her friend's house in-order to secretly go to prom, which her parents would disapprove of since they never let her go to dances. With this backstory in-mind, Sandy's decision to take on a "bad girl" appearance at the end of the show is clearly NOT due to the pressure from her friends to fit in, but instead due to Sandy's newfound confidence to be who she has always felt like she was on the inside, NOT who her parents (or friends, for that matter) want her to be. This is emphasized by Sandy's discussion with Rizzo right before the makeover, where Rizzo makes sure that this is something Sandy wants to do before they go through with it.

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* TropeCodifier, Sandy in ''Film/{{Grease}}'' changes from a sweet girl next door to a bad girl.[[note]] Creator/MarieOsmond turned down the role ''because'' of the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop.[[/note]] The film also shows Danny ''trying'' to become the Varsity Good Guy to be with Sandy -- still, Sandy--still, he's extremely glad she made those changes. Kind of weird as they had a relationship that apparently more or less ''worked'' before she changed to fit in with his friends. The 1950s (in which the film is set) actually put a good deal of value on fitting in with one's social group, and the 1970s (in which the film was made) was all about reinventing yourself to make your life better.
** Subverted by the 2016 Live TV version. In this adaptation, Sandy is given a backstory in-which her parents have always had a lot of control over her life. This is emphasized by how she lies to them about going to study at her friend's house in-order to secretly go to prom, which her parents would disapprove of since they never let her go to dances. With this backstory in-mind, Sandy's decision to take on a "bad girl" appearance at the end of the show is clearly NOT ''not'' due to the pressure from her friends to fit in, but instead due to Sandy's newfound confidence to be who she has always felt like she was on the inside, NOT ''not'' who her parents (or friends, for that matter) want her to be. This is emphasized by Sandy's discussion with Rizzo right before the makeover, where Rizzo makes sure that this is something Sandy wants to do before they go through with it.



-->'''Crow:''' So, Mike, I learned from today's movie that Daphne was a slut, and Amy wasn't fun until she became a slut.
-->'''Mike Nelson:''' Well, that's the [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop fun message]] of today's movie!

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-->'''Crow:''' So, Mike, I learned from today's movie that Daphne was a slut, and Amy wasn't fun until she became a slut.
-->'''Mike
slut.\\
'''Mike
Nelson:''' Well, that's the [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop fun message]] of today's movie!



* "I should've beat her where she beat me, in the sack." ''Theatre/TheWomen''--this is the lesson good wife Mary learns when slutty Crystal seduces Mary's husband and steals him away.

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* "I should've beat her where she beat me, in the sack." ''Theatre/TheWomen''--this ''Theatre/TheWomen'': This is the lesson good wife Mary learns when slutty Crystal seduces Mary's husband and steals him away.away.
-->"I should've beat her where she beat me, in the sack."



--> "You need some nice clothes so we can show you off and make a good match. People are saying you're not as fetching as rumored."

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--> "You -->'''Corelle''': You need some nice clothes so we can show you off and make a good match. People are saying you're not as fetching as rumored."



--> Try a reasonably large variety of sex partners before you settle down to your one - and - only. Don't be cowed by the term "promiscuity" - which, rightly defined, means indiscriminate sexual congress. Almost no girl, except a real prostitute who sells her favors to anyone who comes along is truly promiscuous since most girls get hundreds of of sex offers from men every year, and even if they accepted a score or more of these offers they would be far from indiscriminate in their selection. So don't surrender to the promiscuity bugaboo.

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--> Try a reasonably large variety of sex partners before you settle down to your one - and - only. one-and-only. Don't be cowed by the term "promiscuity" - which, "promiscuity"--which, rightly defined, means indiscriminate sexual congress. Almost no girl, except a real prostitute who sells her favors to anyone who comes along is truly promiscuous since most girls get hundreds of of sex offers from men every year, and even if they accepted a score or more of these offers they would be far from indiscriminate in their selection. So don't surrender to the promiscuity bugaboo.



** The situation is reversed with Peg. If she'd spent less time trying to be a sexpot and more time trying to be an ideal housewife (cooking, cleaning, etc,) then Al would spend a lot more love and attention on her. This fact was highlighted in one episode where Peg, for whatever reason, had to clean up the backyard - Al watched with a CheshireCatGrin and, every now and then, would take Peg upstairs... something she dreaded in this case, since she was worn out from the manual labor.

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** The situation is reversed with Peg. If she'd spent less time trying to be a sexpot and more time trying to be an ideal housewife (cooking, cleaning, etc,) then Al would spend a lot more love and attention on her. This fact was highlighted in one episode where Peg, for whatever reason, had to clean up the backyard - Al backyard--Al watched with a CheshireCatGrin and, every now and then, would take Peg upstairs... something she dreaded in this case, since she was worn out from the manual labor.



-->'''Haley:''' I mean, what did you think Brooke, that I could just dress up in tight, black leather and heels and smoking a cigarette and that it would win back Nathan's heart?
-->'''Brooke:''' [[ComicallyMissingThePoint Wait a minute, you were smoking?]]

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-->'''Haley:''' I mean, what did you think Brooke, that I could just dress up in tight, black leather and heels and smoking a cigarette and that it would win back Nathan's heart?
-->'''Brooke:'''
heart?\\
'''Brooke:'''
[[ComicallyMissingThePoint Wait a minute, you were smoking?]]



-->'''Sandy:''' In order to get the guy you love ... you have to be a slut! What a wonderful message for the youth of America!

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-->'''Sandy:''' In order to get the guy you love ... love… you have to be a slut! What a wonderful message for the youth of America!



* Katy Perry's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyXNRrsk4A Last Friday Night"]].

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* Katy Perry's "[[https://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyXNRrsk4A Last "Last Friday Night"]].



* Live musical performances of ''Theatre/{{Grease}}'' follow this trope, having girl-next-door-type, sweet Sandy change to look like a vamp-y bad girl at the end -- to be with Danny and to fit among his friends.
* In ''Theatre/ReturnToTheForbiddenPlanet'', [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Miranda]] tries this on Captain Tempest after he sings about how she's much too young for him. "[[SheIsAllGrownUp Good morrow, big boy!]]" It doesn't work quite the way she wants it -- on the one hand, it ''does'' get the Captain's attention, but the robot Ariel has to remind her that it was her sweetness and charm that attracted the Captain to her in the first place, not a frou-frou frock.

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* Live musical performances of ''Theatre/{{Grease}}'' follow this trope, having girl-next-door-type, sweet Sandy change to look like a vamp-y bad girl at the end -- to end--to be with Danny and to fit among his friends.
* In ''Theatre/ReturnToTheForbiddenPlanet'', [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Miranda]] tries this on Captain Tempest after he sings about how she's much too young for him. "[[SheIsAllGrownUp Good morrow, big boy!]]" It doesn't work quite the way she wants it -- on it--on the one hand, it ''does'' get the Captain's attention, but the robot Ariel has to remind her that it was her sweetness and charm that attracted the Captain to her in the first place, not a frou-frou frock.



--> Look at her, she's like a nun\\

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--> Look -->''Look at her, she's like a nun\\



Miss Prissy Pants won't last a week!

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Miss Prissy Pants won't last a week!week!''
**Subverted by the end of the song:
-->Girls! How is this helping? He's not even here!! He left while we were shaking junk!!\\
''Wait!\\
Girls I'm positive\\
That we've taken this too far\\
No I'm positive\\
This is Harvard, not a stripper bar\\
All this trashy carrying on\\
That's the reason that he gone''
15th Apr '16 7:40:17 AM Piando
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* ''KatawaShoujo'''s case is... unusual. [[spoiler:Hanako doesn't change her appearance, but she ''does'' allow Hisao to have sex with her in order to change his perception of her as [[DontYouDarePityMe someone that needs to be protected]].]] It works, but only after she has to explain it. Furthermore, [[spoiler:the sex is [[FanDisservice obviously very awkward and uncomfortable for Hanako]] and Hisao feels horrible when he finds out the truth.]]

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* ''KatawaShoujo'''s ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'''s case is... unusual. [[spoiler:Hanako doesn't change her appearance, but she ''does'' allow Hisao to have sex with her in order to change his perception of her as [[DontYouDarePityMe someone that needs to be protected]].]] It works, but only after she has to explain it. Furthermore, [[spoiler:the sex is [[FanDisservice obviously very awkward and uncomfortable for Hanako]] and Hisao feels horrible when he finds out the truth.]]
9th Apr '16 6:08:39 PM eroock
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-> ''In ''Film/{{Grease}}'', what did Sandy do to get Danny Zuko? She had to ditch the poodle skirt and slap on a catsuit. In short, she had to dress like a 'ho'.''

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-> ''In ''"In ''Film/{{Grease}}'', what did Sandy do to get Danny Zuko? She had to ditch the poodle skirt and slap on a catsuit. In short, she had to dress like a 'ho'.''"''
27th Mar '16 10:59:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* Live musical performances of ''{{Grease}}'' follow this trope, having girl-next-door-type, sweet Sandy change to look like a vamp-y bad girl at the end -- to be with Danny and to fit among his friends.
* In ''[[ForbiddenPlanet Return to the Forbidden Planet]]'', [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Miranda]] tries this on Captain Tempest after he sings about how she's much too young for him. "[[SheIsAllGrownUp Good morrow, big boy!]]" It doesn't work quite the way she wants it -- on the one hand, it ''does'' get the Captain's attention, but the robot Ariel has to remind her that it was her sweetness and charm that attracted the Captain to her in the first place, not a frou-frou frock.

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* Live musical performances of ''{{Grease}}'' ''Theatre/{{Grease}}'' follow this trope, having girl-next-door-type, sweet Sandy change to look like a vamp-y bad girl at the end -- to be with Danny and to fit among his friends.
* In ''[[ForbiddenPlanet Return to the Forbidden Planet]]'', ''Theatre/ReturnToTheForbiddenPlanet'', [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Miranda]] tries this on Captain Tempest after he sings about how she's much too young for him. "[[SheIsAllGrownUp Good morrow, big boy!]]" It doesn't work quite the way she wants it -- on the one hand, it ''does'' get the Captain's attention, but the robot Ariel has to remind her that it was her sweetness and charm that attracted the Captain to her in the first place, not a frou-frou frock.
1st Mar '16 12:33:18 PM PeppermintTwist
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* The game ''VideoGame/{{Chulip}}'' is a weird GenderFlip example. The main character wants to win the literal girl of his dreams over, and to do so, he has to kiss as many townspeople as possible (age, gender, and [[LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy species]] indiscriminate) to prove that he's a popular and experienced guy.
29th Feb '16 3:35:27 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Subverted in {{Zoey 101}}: Quinn does this to get Mark back, but fails. [[spoiler: Logan]] does fall for her, but only after he puts her glasses back on.

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* Subverted in {{Zoey Series/{{Zoey 101}}: Quinn does this to get Mark back, but fails. [[spoiler: Logan]] does fall for her, but only after he puts her glasses back on.
25th Feb '16 12:42:41 PM Eievie
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* In ''[[ForbiddenPlanet Return to the Forbidden Planet]]'', [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Miranda]] tries this on Captain Tempest after he sings about how she's much too young for him. "[[SheIsAllGrownUp Good morrow, big boy!]]" It doesn't work quite the way she wants it - on the one hand, it ''does'' get the Captain's attention, but the robot Ariel has to remind her that it was her sweetness and charm that attracted the Captain to her in the first place, not a frou-frou frock.

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* In ''[[ForbiddenPlanet Return to the Forbidden Planet]]'', [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Miranda]] tries this on Captain Tempest after he sings about how she's much too young for him. "[[SheIsAllGrownUp Good morrow, big boy!]]" It doesn't work quite the way she wants it - -- on the one hand, it ''does'' get the Captain's attention, but the robot Ariel has to remind her that it was her sweetness and charm that attracted the Captain to her in the first place, not a frou-frou frock.



--> Look at her, she's like a nun/Show him you are way more fun/Bust out the lap dance and you've won/You off the hizzle, G!
--> Keep it positive/Let out your inner freak/Keep it positive/Miss Prissy Pants won't last a week!

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--> Look at her, she's like a nun/Show nun\\
Show
him you are way more fun/Bust fun\\
Bust
out the lap dance and you've won/You won\\
You
off the hizzle, G!
-->
G!\\
Keep it positive/Let positive\\
Let
out your inner freak/Keep freak\\
Keep
it positive/Miss positive\\
Miss
Prissy Pants won't last a week!
5th Feb '16 9:45:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/music&lyrics/enteringbootytown.htm "Entering Bootytown"]] by Haley Bennett, from the film ''MusicAndLyrics''

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* [[http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/music&lyrics/enteringbootytown.htm "Entering Bootytown"]] by Haley Bennett, from the film ''MusicAndLyrics''''Film/MusicAndLyrics''
31st Jan '16 11:46:22 PM charlie95148
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** Subverted by the 2016 Live TV version. In this adaptation, Sandy is given a backstory in-which her parents have always had a lot of control over her life. This is emphasized by how she lies to them about going to study at her friend's house in-order to secretly go to prom, which her parents would disapprove of since they never let her go to dances. With this backstory in-mind, Sandy's decision to take on a "bad girl" appearance at the end of the show is clearly NOT due to the pressure from her friends to fit in, but instead due to Sandy's newfound confidence to be who she has always felt like she was on the inside, NOT who her parents (or friends, for that matter) want her to be. This is emphasized by Sandy's discussion with Rizzo right before the makeover, where Rizzo makes sure that this is something Sandy wants to do before they go through with it.
24th Jan '16 12:25:32 PM jamespolk
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* In ''Film/JulietOfTheSpirits'', Juliet, a middle-aged wife, has discovered her husband is cheating on her. Distraught, she goes to Bhisma the medium for advice. Bhisma urges Juliet to do just this, saying "Learn to please your husband" and telling her to wear sexy stockings. Juliet is indignant, saying "Whoring—some advice!"
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