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6th Nov '16 5:00:34 AM StFan
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* [[BatmanGambit/AnimatedFilms Films - Animated]]
* [[BatmanGambit/LiveActionFilms Films - Live Action]]
* {{BatmanGambit/Literature}}

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* [[BatmanGambit/AnimatedFilms Films - Animated]]
Films – Animation]]
* [[BatmanGambit/LiveActionFilms Films - Live Action]]
– Live-Action]]
* {{BatmanGambit/Literature}}BatmanGambit/{{Literature}}



* BatmanGambit/NewMedia



* BatmanGambit/{{Podcasts}}
* BatmanGambit/{{Roleplay}}


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22nd Sep '16 9:13:47 AM CheeseDogX
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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].

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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic heroic]] [[HeroBall that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].
7th Sep '16 5:03:10 PM MarkLungo
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The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity: The failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character—or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about those involved.

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The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") "foolproof"), the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity: The failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character—or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about those involved.
7th Sep '16 5:02:50 PM MarkLungo
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[[caption-width-right:350:Batman [[NiceJobFixingItVillain got the Joker to save him]] simply by counting on the Joker [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou to be himself]].]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Batman [[caption-width-right:350:Franchise/{{Batman}} [[NiceJobFixingItVillain got the Joker to save him]] simply by counting on the Joker ComicBook/TheJoker [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou to be himself]].]]
18th Aug '16 1:18:12 PM MichaelKatsuro
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'''Nate''': Mmm, yeah, that's a stretch.

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'''Nate''': Mmm, yeah, [[SarcasmMode that's a stretch.]]
6th Aug '16 9:38:23 AM nombretomado
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Not an ComicBook/AmalgamUniverse character. Also not a SlashFic involving [[DCUniverse Batman]] or [[MarvelUniverse Gambit]].

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Not an ComicBook/AmalgamUniverse character. Also not a SlashFic involving [[DCUniverse Batman]] Franchise/{{Batman}} or [[MarvelUniverse Gambit]].
ComicBook/{{Gambit}}.
19th Jul '16 11:35:06 AM caughtbluehanded
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13th Mar '16 2:37:18 PM Dezdet
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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]] -- and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].

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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]] -- and win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].



The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity: The failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character - or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about those involved.

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The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity: The failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character - or character—or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about those involved.
20th Feb '16 6:48:53 PM ashlay
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This is the essence of the Batman Gambit, which is a storytelling device that can be used by any unusually intelligent character, be they good or evil, to achieve what they want by using their own intelligence to make sure that the most probable outcome that is beneficial to them arises.

The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity. The victims of the gambit, however, may not enjoy those luxuries. To say this another way: the failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character - or, more accurately, however the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about everyone involved. This is why the trope is named after Batman: as the World's Greatest Detective, he can often analyze and predict his foes' actions to psychic-like accuracy.

The key to making a Batman Gambit work is by carefully guiding and manipulating the motivations of those involved, so that the "obvious" course of action to them is to do what will make the gambit work and it never occurs to them to do things that would ruin the gambit. Because of the presence of this obvious failure mode, anyone who tries to pull off a Batman Gambit and fails will look like a fool.

In short, if there is ''any'' reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it's a Batman Gambit. Because of this, a truly cunning planner will make it appear to their pawns that they do ''not have'' such options in the first place. This is called a bluff because if the pawns see through the smokescreen then ThePlan will fall apart.

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This is the essence of the Batman Gambit, which is a storytelling device that can be used by any unusually intelligent character, be they good or evil, to achieve what they want by using their own intelligence to make sure that the most probable outcome that is beneficial to them arises.

The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity. objectivity: The victims of the gambit, however, may not enjoy those luxuries. To say this another way: the failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character - or, more accurately, however or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about everyone involved. This is why the trope is named after Batman: as the World's Greatest Detective, he can often analyze and predict his foes' actions to psychic-like accuracy.

The key to making a Batman Gambit work is by carefully guiding and manipulating the motivations of
those involved, so that the "obvious" course of action to them is to do what will make the gambit work and it never occurs to them to do things that would ruin the gambit. Because of the presence of this obvious failure mode, anyone who tries to pull off a Batman Gambit and fails will look like a fool.

involved.

In short, if there is ''any'' reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it's a Batman Gambit. Because of this, a truly cunning planner will make it appear to bluff their pawns that into believing they do ''not have'' such options have ''no options'' in the first place. This is called place.

Named after Batman,
a bluff because if character known as the pawns see World's Greatest Detective, who through the smokescreen then ThePlan will fall apart.careful analysis can often predict his foes' actions to psychic-like accuracy.
22nd Aug '15 7:54:13 PM TheUnknownUploader
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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoGoodStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]] -- and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].

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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoGoodStopsToHelp [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]] -- and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].
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