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4th May '18 2:34:56 AM spiderfreak1011
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21st Jan '18 8:59:50 AM Thesedaysthosedays
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In short, if there is ''any'' reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it's a Batman Gambit. Because of this, a truly cunning planner will bluff their pawns into believing they have ''no options'' in the first place.

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In short, if there is ''any'' reasonable action the pawns could take that would ruin the entire scheme, then it's a Batman Gambit. Because of this, a truly cunning planner will bluff their pawns into believing they have ''no options'' in the first place.
place, and the pawns' best hope may be to realize that they have an opportunity to TakeAThirdOption.
2nd Dec '17 11:10:17 AM WillKeaton
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-->-- ''Series/{{Leverage}}'', "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK0BXucd10A The Second David Job]]"

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-->-- ''Series/{{Leverage}}'', "[[http://www.[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK0BXucd10A The "The Second David Job]]"
Job"]]
11th Jul '17 8:28:34 AM Giantleviathan
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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic]] [[HeroBall that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].

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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic]] [[HeroBall that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].
27th Jan '17 1:26:18 PM ChaoticNovelist
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'''Nate''': Mmm, yeah, [[SarcasmMode that's a stretch.]]

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'''Nate''': Mmm, yeah, [[SarcasmMode that's a stretch.]]
29th Dec '16 3:42:34 PM BURGINABC
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Contrast with the MacGuffinDeliveryService, and the failed attempt, SpringtimeForHitler. Also see IndyPloy for the lack of a plan. A gambit that relies on the victim knowing he's being "played" but not knowing ''how'' is a KansasCityShuffle. If things do go wrong, but the person keeps adjusting things so that Plan A works anyway, he's playing XanatosSpeedChess. TheTapeKnewYouWouldSayThat is a subtrope.

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Contrast with the MacGuffinDeliveryService, and the MacGuffinDeliveryService. A failed attempt, attempt sometimes results in SpringtimeForHitler. Also see IndyPloy for the lack of a plan. A gambit that relies on the victim knowing he's being "played" but not knowing ''how'' is a KansasCityShuffle. If things do go wrong, but the person keeps adjusting things so that Plan A works anyway, he's playing XanatosSpeedChess. TheTapeKnewYouWouldSayThat is a subtrope.
6th Nov '16 5:00:34 AM StFan
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* [[BatmanGambit/AnimatedFilms Films - Animated]]
* [[BatmanGambit/LiveActionFilms Films - Live Action]]
* {{BatmanGambit/Literature}}

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* [[BatmanGambit/AnimatedFilms Films - Animated]]
Films – Animation]]
* [[BatmanGambit/LiveActionFilms Films - Live Action]]
– Live-Action]]
* {{BatmanGambit/Literature}}BatmanGambit/{{Literature}}



* BatmanGambit/NewMedia



* BatmanGambit/{{Podcasts}}
* BatmanGambit/{{Roleplay}}


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* BatmanGambit/WebAnimation
22nd Sep '16 9:13:47 AM CheeseDogX
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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].

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A complicated [[ThePlan plan]] that revolves entirely around people doing exactly what you'd ''expect'' them to do. This trope relies heavily on FlawExploitation manipulating, although it can work with virtues instead of "flaws" just as easily. Sometimes the flaw is that the villains are so predictable that they'll [[VillainBall take the first chance they have]] [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat to do something mean and underhanded]]. Other times, the flaw is that the heroes are [[ChronicHeroSyndrome so heroic heroic]] [[HeroBall that they'll act for the greater good]] [[DudleyDoRightStopsToHelp without even thinking about it]]. A particularly GenreSavvy person will recognize the fact that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin heroes always win]]—and design a plan [[NiceJobBreakingItHero based on the assumption that they will succeed]].
7th Sep '16 5:03:10 PM MarkLungo
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The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity: The failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character—or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about those involved.

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The key difference between the XanatosGambit and the Batman Gambit is that while the former is structured so that any reasonable outcome will work to the advantage of the gambit instigator (and is thus "foolproof") "foolproof"), the Batman Gambit does have a failure condition. Indeed, this failure condition will often be quite obvious and foreseeable to the audience, who have the benefit of perspective and objectivity: The failure condition in a Batman Gambit relies on someone acting out of character—or at least how the planner perceives their character. Consequently, Batman Gambits are only as successful as their planner is knowledgeable and insightful about those involved.
7th Sep '16 5:02:50 PM MarkLungo
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[[caption-width-right:350:Batman [[NiceJobFixingItVillain got the Joker to save him]] simply by counting on the Joker [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou to be himself]].]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Batman [[caption-width-right:350:Franchise/{{Batman}} [[NiceJobFixingItVillain got the Joker to save him]] simply by counting on the Joker ComicBook/TheJoker [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou to be himself]].]]
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