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15th May '18 6:35:11 AM Vilui
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The {{Trope Namer|s}} is Franchise/{{Batman}}, specifically the 60's Creator/AdamWest ''Series/{{Batman}}'', who, given his title as the World's Greatest Detective, can easily fall into this when a writer gets into a rut (or is [[RuleOfFunny playing it up for laughs]]). Can also be interpreted as "batshit crazy deduction," or, less often, "lazy writer deduction."

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The {{Trope Namer|s}} is Franchise/{{Batman}}, specifically the 60's 60s Creator/AdamWest ''Series/{{Batman}}'', who, given his title as the World's Greatest Detective, can easily fall into this when a writer gets into a rut (or is [[RuleOfFunny playing it up for laughs]]). Can also be interpreted as "batshit crazy deduction," or, less often, "lazy writer deduction."
20th Apr '18 11:22:07 PM mlsmithca
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** Another great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXKYQvP0zQ0
* The titular character of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' did this in Season 6, when Warren kills his ex-girlfriend Katrina and uses magic and time-distorting demons to trick Buffy into thinking that ''she'' was the one who did it. Just as she is about to turn herself in to the police and it looks like Warren's EvilPlan will succeed, she overhears the cops identify Katrina's body and immediately realizes Warren's scheme. It's often hinted that the Slayer's powers include weak clairvoyance.

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** Another great example: https://www.%%** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXKYQvP0zQ0
com/watch?v=HXKYQvP0zQ0 Another great example.]]
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* The titular title character of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' did this in Season 6, when Warren kills his ex-girlfriend Katrina and uses magic and time-distorting demons to trick Buffy into thinking that ''she'' was the one who did it. Just as she is about to turn herself in to the police and it looks like Warren's EvilPlan will succeed, she overhears the cops identify Katrina's body and immediately realizes Warren's scheme. It's often hinted that the Slayer's powers include weak clairvoyance.



* Happened now and again in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''. One example is this exchange from "The Omega Glory" about two warring factions, the Yangs and the Kohms:
-->'''Kirk:''' Yangs? Yanks? Spock, Yankees!\\

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* Happened now and again in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''. ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''.
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One example is this exchange from "The Omega Glory" about two warring factions, the Yangs and the Kohms:
-->'''Kirk:''' --->'''Kirk:''' Yangs? Yanks? Spock, Yankees!\\
15th Apr '18 7:33:15 AM Psyclone
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** Another harsh aversion occurs in the DarkNightsMetal story arc by Scott Snyder, where in a dream, Superman heard Batman said "Carpe Diem" as they watched they Son played the Batman TV Theme, which is related to "C.D.", a code Superman and Batman had for the most dire situations - and he thinks Batman is trying get Superman to help him. As it turns out, the REAL code is in the song their son play, which actually goes DC, the reverse of Batman's secret code... a warning of not to come. Unfortunately Superman did, allowing the Evil Batmen to use Supe as a living battery.

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** Another harsh aversion occurs in the DarkNightsMetal story arc by Scott Snyder, where in a dream, Superman heard Batman said saying "Carpe Diem" as they watched they Son played their sons playing the Batman TV Theme, which is related to "C.D.", a code Superman and Batman had for the most dire situations - and he thinks Batman is trying get Superman to help him. As it turns out, the REAL code is in the song their son sons play, which actually goes DC, the reverse of Batman's secret code... a warning of not to come. Unfortunately Superman did, allowing the Evil Batmen to use Supe Supes as a living battery.
15th Apr '18 7:26:21 AM Psyclone
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* Naturally, episodes of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' involving the Riddler had this sometimes.
** This exchange between Batman and Alfred in the Batmobile, where Batman has a handful of coins and the clue "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no tales. It all makes sense when you add it up."

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* Naturally, episodes of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' involving the Riddler had this sometimes.
sometimes:
** This exchange between "What is Reality?" begins with three computers crashing around Gotham, displaying only a riddle on screen: "Where does a 500-pound gorilla sleep?" "What's worse than a millipede with flat feet?" "How do you fit 5 elephants into a compact car?" Train of logic: the Riddler doesn't usually use such commonly known riddles meaning the answers to the riddles are a red herring. The riddles themselves all contain numbers: 500, 1000, 5. Convert to roman numerals and get D,M,V... ''the Department of Motor Vehicles!!!''
** After escaping a trap from Riddler, the latter calls
Batman on a pay phone and Alfred in the Batmobile, where Batman has a handful of coins and the clue says "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no tales. It all makes sense when you add it up."" followed by a handful of coins falling in the change tray:



** Same episode, leads into the above one. Three computers crash around Gotham, displaying only a riddle on screen: "Where does a 500-pound gorilla sleep?" "What's worse than a millipede with flat feet?" "How do you fit 5 elephants into a compact car?" Train of logic: the Riddler doesn't usually use such commonly known riddles meaning the answers to the riddles are a red herring. The riddles themselves all contain numbers: 500, 1000, 5. Convert to roman numerals and get D,M,V... ''the Department of Motor Vehicles!!!''

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** Same episode, leads into Finally, at the above one. Three computers crash around Gotham, displaying only a riddle on screen: "Where does a 500-pound gorilla sleep?" "What's worse than a millipede with flat feet?" "How do you fit 5 elephants into a compact car?" Train end of logic: the episode Riddler doesn't usually use such commonly known riddles meaning casually remarks "If the answers planet were equitable, I'd still have my old job" right before his virtual reality program crashes [[YourMindMakesItReal trapping him inside]]. Batman immediately deduces that to be a clue to his hideout: "If the riddles are a red herring. The riddles themselves all contain numbers: 500, 1000, 5. Convert to roman numerals and get D,M,V... ''the Department of Motor Vehicles!!!''WORLD'S FAIR, I'd still have my EX-POSITION".
4th Apr '18 7:03:10 PM GoblinCipher
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* In the [[Literature/CallahansCrosstimeSaloon Callahan's]] novel ''Lady Slings the Booze'', the regulars not only manage to correctly "deduce" the existence of an extremely far-fetched terrorist plot as a thought exercise, they manage to do so ''just'' in time to interfere with it.
3rd Apr '18 10:19:46 AM CaptainCrawdad
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So you have the average detective story, with a huge, widely spanning mystery that has both the detective and the viewers stumped. You've got it going, but, now that you're in the thicket, you've run yourself into a corner. It would take more space than available to connect the pieces, and you don't want to drag the viewer along with boring step by step exposition, so what are you going to do?

Wait, your main character is a detective, isn't he? Why not just have him deduce that these things are connected, and move on. [[TheSmartGuy He's a genius]], why not [[SmartBall just leave it at that]]?

In short, this is when a character makes a huge jump to reach a conclusion, often through a mental WikiWalk, that has to be made in order for the plot to progress, but without any real explanation for what might have spurred the conclusion.

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So you have the average detective story, with a huge, widely spanning mystery that has both the detective and the viewers stumped. You've got it going, but, now that you're in the thicket, you've run yourself into a corner. It would take more space than available to connect the pieces, and you don't want to drag the viewer along with boring step by step exposition, so what are you going to do?

Wait, your main character is a detective, isn't he? Why not just have him deduce that these things are connected, and move on. [[TheSmartGuy He's a genius]], why not [[SmartBall just leave it at that]]?

In short, this
This is when a character makes a huge jump to reach a conclusion, often through a mental WikiWalk, that has to be made in order for the plot to progress, but without any real explanation for what might have spurred the conclusion.
26th Mar '18 9:58:34 PM nombretomado
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* In Episode 4 of the Simgm Productions PrettyLittleLiars spoof Spencer deducing Meet from Chicken being a Meat and Abandoned Warehouse from "one" because Rosewood only has one.

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* In Episode 4 of the Simgm Productions PrettyLittleLiars ''Series/PrettyLittleLiars'' spoof Spencer deducing Meet from Chicken being a Meat and Abandoned Warehouse from "one" because Rosewood only has one.
16th Feb '18 10:54:23 PM rwe1138
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'''Chris Sims ''': Iíll not hear a word spoken against Burt Wardís deductive process, you cretin.

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'''Chris Sims ''': Sims''': Iíll not hear a word spoken against Burt Wardís deductive process, you cretin.
7th Jan '18 2:08:47 PM NNinja
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* ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward'': Not really a "deduction", but at one point Clover manages to remember that the medication in the injection gun is [[spoiler:Neostigmine, which counteracts Tubocurarine]], thanks to the mention of the word "unclean".
--> '''Sigma:''' Purifying the...unclean...?
--> '''Clover:''' Oh. ''Oh''! Unclean...Unclean...Unclean...Unclean...
--> '''Sigma:''' W-What? What are you doing?
--> '''Clover:''' Shut up! I'm this close to remembering! Unclean...Unclean...Clen...Een...Een...''Een''! Neostigmine!
13th Dec '17 8:37:08 AM Odacon_Spy
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* Towards the end of ''VideoGame/Yakuza0'', both Kiryu and Majima both receive coded messages from [[spoiler:[[BonusBoss the Amon Clan]]]] telling them to meet at a specific place. While Kiryu translates the message easily enough, Majima gets the code confused with baseball terminology and instead reads the message as "Just nine pitches. Come to the pitching place. Amore." Despite this, he manages to suss out the correct meeting place anyway by reasoning that 'pitching place' must mean a 'bullpen', that 'Amore' is an Italian word and Italian is kinda similar to Spanish and, finally, adding 'bullpen' and Spanish together to arrive at [[spoiler:a bullfighting arena]].

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* Towards the end of ''VideoGame/Yakuza0'', both Kiryu and Majima both receive coded messages from [[spoiler:[[BonusBoss [[BonusBoss the Amon Clan]]]] Clan]] telling them to meet at a specific place. While Kiryu translates the message easily enough, Majima gets the code confused with baseball terminology and instead reads the message as "Just nine pitches. Come to the pitching place. Amore." Despite this, this mix-up, he manages to suss out the correct meeting place anyway by reasoning reasons that 'pitching place' must mean a 'bullpen', 'bullpen' and that 'Amore' is an Italian word and Italian is kinda similar to Spanish and, finally, adding before putting 'bullpen' and Spanish 'Spanish' together to arrive at [[spoiler:a suss out the correct meeting place, a bullfighting arena]].arena, anyway.
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