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15th Apr '16 6:15:04 PM Doug86
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* In the MarvelUniverse,

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* In the MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse,



* In [[TheDCU the DC comics Universe]],

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* In [[TheDCU the DC comics Universe]], Franchise/TheDCU,
27th Mar '16 12:32:51 PM Gess
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-->-- '''[[SatanIsGood Woland]]''', ''Literature/TheMasterAndMargarita''

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-->-- '''[[SatanIsGood '''[[{{Satan}} Woland]]''', ''Literature/TheMasterAndMargarita''
25th Mar '16 8:32:32 AM Willbyr
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* ''KingdomHearts''

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* ''KingdomHearts''''Franchise/KingdomHearts''
3rd Mar '16 8:50:04 AM JoieDeCombat
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** In a lower-lever version, [[TheFairFolk the Sidhe]] Courts of Summer and Winter are all about balance. While Summer is considered the nicer of the two, GoodIsNotNice can always apply, and likewise with Winter being the darker, DarkIsNotEvil can work just as well. For half the year, one court grows in power as the other shrinks until the solstice. Most anytime one side aims to seek a gain, whether an item to retrieve or person to kill, the other side will respond in force to stop this gain. The potential danger for one side to gain a permanent and unmatched gain would result in either a new ice age if Winter won, or an expansion of unchecked growth (including not just plants and animals but also viruses like Ebola) if Summer won. ''Literature/ColdDays'' reveals that the balance maintained between Summer and Winter serves a larger purpose beyond just keeping each other in check: the Winter Court is the universe's front line of defense against the Outsiders, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that constantly seek to invade and destroy the world as we know it. Summer exists as a buffer between Winter and the rest of the world, both supporting the Winter fae in holding back the Outsiders and protecting the rest of the world from Winter.

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** In a lower-lever version, [[TheFairFolk the Sidhe]] Courts of Summer and Winter are all about balance. While Summer is considered the nicer of the two, GoodIsNotNice can always apply, and likewise with Winter being the darker, DarkIsNotEvil can work just as well. For half the year, one court grows in power as the other shrinks until the solstice. Most anytime one side aims to seek a gain, whether an item to retrieve or person to kill, the other side will respond in force to stop this gain. The potential danger for one side to gain a permanent and unmatched gain would result in either a new ice age if Winter won, or an expansion of unchecked growth (including not just plants and animals but also viruses like Ebola) if Summer won. \\
''Literature/ColdDays'' reveals that the balance maintained between Summer and Winter serves a larger purpose beyond just keeping each other in check: the Winter Court is the universe's front line of defense against the Outsiders, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that constantly seek to invade and destroy the world as we know it. Summer exists as a buffer between Winter and the rest of the world, both supporting the Winter fae in holding back the Outsiders and protecting the rest of the world from Winter.
3rd Mar '16 8:49:24 AM JoieDeCombat
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** In a lower-lever version, [[TheFairFolk the Sidhe]] Courts of Summer and Winter are all about balance. While Summer is considered the nicer of the two, GoodIsNotNice can always apply, and likewise with Winter being the darker, DarkIsNotEvil can work just as well. For half the year, one court grows in power as the other shrinks until the solstice. Most anytime one side aims to seek a gain, whether an item to retrieve or person to kill, the other side will respond in force to stop this gain. It is a small list of examples when both sides work in union with the other against a common foe. The potential danger for one side to gain a permanent and unmatched gain would result in either a new ice age if Winter won, or an expansion of growth if Summer won. This "growth" wouldn't just include humans or other animals and plants, but things like Ebola and other diseases.

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** In a lower-lever version, [[TheFairFolk the Sidhe]] Courts of Summer and Winter are all about balance. While Summer is considered the nicer of the two, GoodIsNotNice can always apply, and likewise with Winter being the darker, DarkIsNotEvil can work just as well. For half the year, one court grows in power as the other shrinks until the solstice. Most anytime one side aims to seek a gain, whether an item to retrieve or person to kill, the other side will respond in force to stop this gain. It is a small list of examples when both sides work in union with the other against a common foe. The potential danger for one side to gain a permanent and unmatched gain would result in either a new ice age if Winter won, or an expansion of unchecked growth (including not just plants and animals but also viruses like Ebola) if Summer won. This "growth" wouldn't ''Literature/ColdDays'' reveals that the balance maintained between Summer and Winter serves a larger purpose beyond just include humans or keeping each other animals in check: the Winter Court is the universe's front line of defense against the Outsiders, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that constantly seek to invade and plants, but things like Ebola destroy the world as we know it. Summer exists as a buffer between Winter and other diseases.the rest of the world, both supporting the Winter fae in holding back the Outsiders and protecting the rest of the world from Winter.
21st Jan '16 9:16:41 PM DarkMask
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* In the ''{{VideoGame/Bayonetta}}'' series it's less about Good and Evil, and more about Light and Darkness being in balance, due to LightIsNotGood and DarkIsNotEvil being in full effect here. Despite this, the angels of light do decide to say screw it to the balance in the first game in an attempt at a power play to obliterate the Trinity of Realities so they can remake it in their own visage. In the [[{{VideoGame/Bayonetta2}} second game]] the balance is actually shown to be off due to the events at the end of the first game, causing natural disasters on Earth, and both angels ''and'' demons attacking nondiscriminatory.
31st Dec '15 6:28:17 PM Fireblood
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* Manichean Christianity had the same idea, influenced by {{Gnosticism}}, with the material world being created by {{Satan}} who trapped souls in physical bodies. Mani, the prophet that the religion was named after, had come to reveal the truth that would free people in their belief.

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* Manichean Christianity had the same idea, influenced by {{Gnosticism}}, with the material world being created by {{Satan}} who trapped souls in physical bodies. Mani, the prophet that the religion was named after, had come to reveal the truth that would free people in their belief.from this to reunited with God.
31st Dec '15 6:26:57 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' reveals that his Multiverse is ruled by four theoretically-equal forces: Life, Death, the Purpose and the Random. The Random is responsible for much suffering and chaos, and is the closest equivalent to Evil. Earthquakes that kill a hundred thousand people can be part of the the Purpose, but the higher beings of the purpose are good and want to mantain balance. The highest being of the Random is the Crimson King, who was described as the embodiment of evil; he wanted to destroy everthing and rule the hellscape that remained forever.

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* Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' reveals that his Multiverse is ruled by four theoretically-equal forces: Life, Death, the Purpose and the Random. The Random is responsible for much suffering and chaos, and is the closest equivalent to Evil. Earthquakes that kill a hundred thousand people can be part of the the Purpose, but the higher beings of the purpose are good and want to mantain miantain balance. The highest being of the Random is the Crimson King, who was described as the embodiment of evil; he wanted to destroy everthing everything and rule the hellscape that remained forever.



* Eve Forward's ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': Good has thoroughly dominated evil, obligating the protagonists to restore the balance to prevent catastrophe. The {{Hero Antagonist}}s have been brainwashing captured villains to make them good at the expense of their personalities. [[spoiler: Their leader wants the world to be consumed by light, which would destroy it, thus making him a KnightTemplar at the very best.]]

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* Eve Forward's ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': Good has thoroughly dominated evil, obligating the protagonists to restore the balance to prevent catastrophe. The {{Hero Antagonist}}s have been brainwashing captured villains to make them good at the expense of their personalities. [[spoiler: Their leader wants All of them are {{Knight Templar}}s who don't realize that if the Light wins, the world will be destroyed, though even if they did it's stated they'd still feel duty-bound to be consumed by light, which would destroy it, thus making him a KnightTemplar at the very best.]]fight Evil.



* In ''Amos Daragon'', a person (the "mask wearer") is chosen to keep a balance on good and evil and both sides are more nunanced than they appear. The series is filled with LightIsNotGood and DarkisnotEvil. There are plenty of "Dark" creatures which don't want to massacre humans, yet get hunted down for no other reason than they exist. In fact, the last couple books involve [[spoiler:stopping a crusade to wipe out the creatures of the night]]. The protagonist's job is to [[spoiler:Stop the war between the gods]], not kill all evil creatures.

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* In ''Amos Daragon'', a person (the "mask wearer") is chosen to keep a balance on good and evil and both sides are more nunanced nuanced than they appear. The series is filled with LightIsNotGood and DarkisnotEvil. There are plenty of "Dark" creatures which don't want to massacre humans, yet get hunted down for no other reason than they exist. In fact, the last couple books involve [[spoiler:stopping a crusade to wipe out the creatures of the night]]. The protagonist's job is to [[spoiler:Stop the war between the gods]], not kill all evil creatures.



* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' shows that the prophecy was just a bunch of noodles, as there are tons of dark jedi and sith and other users of the dark side left. GeorgeLucas considers everything besides the films and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' as an AlternateContinuity so it's more a case of the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' and WordOfGod disagreeing.
** Luke accepts this view during Apocalypse [[spoiler: After his tag-team battle with Darth Krayt, against Abeloth. Cooperation between the Jedi and the Sith is the only way to keep Abeloth from destroying the entire Galaxy since the Ones are Dead, so the warring between them in the times when Abeloth isn't an immediate threat is a necessary side-effect]]
* ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'': Ann says to Richard at one point that she believes getting rid of the Keeper (who embodies death and is the main BigBad in the early series) would not be a good thing, unlike the view other Sisters of the Light have. She explains that without the Keeper nothing would ever die. Very soon there would be no room for anyone in the world and they'd be left as utterly miserable immortals forever.

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* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' shows that the prophecy was just a bunch of noodles, as there are tons of dark jedi Dark Jedi and sith Sith and other users of the dark side Dark Side left. GeorgeLucas considers everything besides the films and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' as an AlternateContinuity so it's more a case of the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' and WordOfGod disagreeing.
** Luke accepts this view during Apocalypse ''Apocalypse'' [[spoiler: After after his tag-team battle with Darth Krayt, against Abeloth. Cooperation between the Jedi and the Sith is the only way to keep Abeloth from destroying the entire Galaxy since the Ones are Dead, so the warring between them in the times when Abeloth isn't an immediate threat is a necessary side-effect]]
side-effect]].
* ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'': Ann says to Richard at one point that she believes getting rid of the Keeper (who embodies death and is the main BigBad in the early series) would not be a good thing, unlike the view other Sisters of the Light have. She explains that without the Keeper nothing would ever die. Very soon there would be no room for anyone in the world and they'd be left as utterly miserable immortals forever. She warns him never to tell anyone about her view, because many would consider it heresy and proof that she's a servant of the Keeper herself.



* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode ''The Enemy Within'', Captain Kirk gets split into his good side and his bad side. In the end, it's shown why Good Kirk needs Bad Kirk: Bad Kirk has the confidence to make decisions but he also has the quality of Cowardliness or the inability to ''act'' on those decisions, which is the reason why he needs Good Kirk.

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* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode ''The Enemy Within'', Captain Kirk gets split into his good side and his bad evil side. In the end, it's shown why Good Kirk needs Bad Kirk: Bad the pair need each other: Evil Kirk has the confidence to make decisions but he also has is aggressive and cruel, stealing alcohol and attempting to rape Yeoman Rand. On the quality of Cowardliness or the inability to ''act'' on those decisions, which is the reason why he needs other hand, without his confidence Good Kirk.Kirk was left so timid and indecisive he couldn't serve as Captain.



* Zoroastrianism has [[TheAntiGod two equal Gods of good and evil]] but it's quite clear that in the end [[{{God}} Ahura Mazda]] will triumph over [[TheAntiGod Angra Mainyu]], so Zoroastrianism isn't of the "balance for balance's sake" school of thought. [[note]] To elaborate, traditional Zoroastrian thought holds that good and evil are, more or less, balanced in the present age of "mixing", in which good and evil forces are present in the world in roughly equal amounts. However, Zoroastrians hope and work towards an ultimate triumph of good over evil and the permanent banishment of Angra Mainyu from the universe. Angra Mainyu loses not because he's less ''powerful'' than Ahura Mazda ''per se'', but because the nature of evil is inherently [[EvilCannotComprehendGood ignorant]] and [[EvilWillFail self-defeating]].[[/note]]
%%* Manichean Christianity had the same idea.

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* Zoroastrianism has [[TheAntiGod two equal Gods of good and evil]] but it's quite clear that in the end [[{{God}} Ahura Mazda]] will triumph over [[TheAntiGod Angra Mainyu]], so Zoroastrianism isn't of the "balance for balance's sake" school of thought. [[note]] To elaborate, traditional Zoroastrian thought holds that good and evil are, more or less, balanced in the present age of "mixing", in which good and evil forces are present in the world in roughly equal amounts. However, Zoroastrians hope and work towards an ultimate triumph of good over evil and the permanent banishment of Angra Mainyu from the universe. Angra Mainyu loses not because he's less ''powerful'' than Ahura Mazda ''per se'', but because the nature of evil is inherently [[EvilCannotComprehendGood ignorant]] and [[EvilWillFail self-defeating]].[[/note]]
%%* * Manichean Christianity had the same idea.idea, influenced by {{Gnosticism}}, with the material world being created by {{Satan}} who trapped souls in physical bodies. Mani, the prophet that the religion was named after, had come to reveal the truth that would free people in their belief.
22nd Dec '15 4:49:57 AM Berserker88
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---> '''Kin:''' The multiverse is predominantly evil

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---> '''Kin:''' The multiverse is predominantly evilevil.
22nd Dec '15 4:49:41 AM Berserker88
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---> '''Kin:''' ''The multiverse is predominantly evil."
---> '''Forgath:''' "What? I was always taught that good and evil are balanced."
---> '''Kin:''' "Nope. Evil is winning."

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---> '''Kin:''' ''The The multiverse is predominantly evil."
evil
---> '''Forgath:''' "What? What? I was always taught that good and evil are balanced."
balanced.
---> '''Kin:''' "Nope.Nope. Evil is winning."
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