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23rd Jun '17 12:02:55 PM TheWanderer
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* At the start of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', Xykon seems like a crazy but slightly loveable and [[HarmlessVillain harmless]] EvilOverlord whose plans were [[FailureisTheOnlyOption invariably doomed]]. But if you thought that you were oh so wrong.

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* At the start of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', Xykon seems like a crazy but slightly loveable and [[HarmlessVillain harmless]] EvilOverlord whose plans were [[FailureisTheOnlyOption invariably doomed]]. But if you thought that you were oh so wrong. The [[WhamEpisode Battle of Azure City]], where Xykon went full HeroKiller in some incredibly horrible ways, proved ''exactly'' how wrong that belief was.



** An even further baiting: ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' author Rich Burlew has occasionally written little essays on how D&D is played and storylines are formed on his website. In particular he talks about things like how evil people can have friends, EvenEvilHasLovedOnes, and two villains working together aren't always just looking to turn on each other at the first opportunity. Combine that with scenes of [[BigBad Xykon]] and [[TheDragon Redcloak]] joking together, snarking each other, and commiserating when their cause seemed to be lost, and it seemed like might be such friends. Then [[BreakThemByTalking Start]] [[EvilerThanThou of]] [[MoralEventHorizon Darkness]] came out and kicked that theory right in the nuts. Well played, [[MagnificentBastard Mr. Burlew]], well played.

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** An even further baiting: In a meta sense, ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' author Rich Burlew essentially baited his audience. Burlew has occasionally written little essays on how D&D is played and storylines are formed on his website. In particular a number of these pieces he talks about things like giving depth to the villains, and how evil people can have friends, EvenEvilHasLovedOnes, and [[VillainousFriendship two villains working together aren't always just looking to turn on each other at the first opportunity.opportunity]]. Combine that with scenes of [[BigBad Xykon]] and [[TheDragon Redcloak]] joking together, snarking each other, and commiserating when their cause seemed to be lost, and it seemed like might be such friends. Then [[BreakThemByTalking the prequel story "[[BreakThemByTalking Start]] [[EvilerThanThou of]] [[MoralEventHorizon Darkness]] Darkness]]" came out and kicked that theory right in the nuts. Well played, [[MagnificentBastard Mr. Burlew]], well played.
12th Jun '17 5:17:12 AM NNinja
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** Inverted in one scene involving Kimblee. When he gets out of prison he expreses his "gratitude" for "taking care" of him by alchemically creating a bomb attached to wrist of one of the guards. "Bomb" turns out to be a toy and Kimblee sugests giving it to guard's kid as a present.
21st May '17 9:12:24 AM Discar
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* The Jagermonsters in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' often come across as goofy eccentrics who like drinking and fighting a bit more than normal guys...so sometimes it's easy to forget that they're hyperefficient killing machines who are only as moral as their master (so it's okay to root for them now, but you'd better hope Agatha's kids are more like their grandparents than their great grandparents).
** Jagerkin are borderline example, as they're still likeable--extremely dangerous, but honorable BloodKnight bunch. [[BoisterousBruiser Loud]], love fighting, but not malicious at all--they [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060703 readily admire]] foes who bested them and tend to ignore non-combatants altogether. And are loyal above all else.

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* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'': The Jagermonsters in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' often come across as goofy eccentrics who like drinking and fighting a bit more than normal guys...so sometimes it's easy to forget that they're hyperefficient killing machines who are only as moral as their master (so it's okay to root for them now, but you'd better hope Agatha's kids are more like their grandparents than their great grandparents).
** Jagerkin are
master. They're a borderline example, as they're still likeable--extremely dangerous, but honorable BloodKnight bunch. [[BoisterousBruiser Loud]], love fighting, but not malicious at all--they [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060703 readily admire]] foes who bested them and tend to ignore non-combatants altogether. And Above all else, they are loyal above all else.loyal.
28th Apr '17 12:53:57 PM Archimedes
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** Shou Tucker initially appears to be a kindly state alchemist with a loving daughter Nina and her equally adorable dog Alexander, who the Elric Brothers eventually end up meeting. Even when it turns out that his wife left him, it could be argued that he had learned from his mistakes since then and that he was still a good father even if he wasn't a good husband. [[spoiler: Then it turns out that his wife hadn't actually left him. Shou Tucker had condemned the rest of her life to one of pain and suffering after he transformed her into a Half-Human Hybrid. And as if that wasn't enough, he later does the same thing to Nina and Alexander. Notably, he is the only character in the franchise that doesn't go to Heaven...instead, he goes to Hell.]]

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** Shou Tucker initially appears to be a kindly state alchemist with a loving daughter Nina and her equally adorable dog Alexander, who the Elric Brothers eventually end up meeting. Even when it turns out that his wife left him, it could be argued that he had learned from his mistakes since then and that he was still a good father even if he wasn't a good husband. [[spoiler: Then it turns out that his wife hadn't actually left him. Shou Tucker had condemned the rest of her life to one of pain and suffering after he transformed her into a Half-Human Hybrid. And as if that wasn't enough, he later does the same thing to Nina and Alexander. Notably, he is the only character in the franchise that doesn't go the "In Memoriam" omakes don't depict going to Heaven...instead, he goes to he's burning in Hell.]]
26th Apr '17 4:40:58 PM Dravencour
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Wait, what is he doing now? Why has he cornered [[TropeyTheWonderDog Tropey]] in the old mill? [[NoodleImplements What's with the bicycle pump, oven mitts and three pounds of feathers?]] ...oh. Oh, no. Oh God, [[KickTheDog not the dog]]! NOT THE DOG!! [[BigNo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]] [[MoralEventHorizon Bob, you horrible bastard! How could you do such a thing?! I can't believe I used to think you were cool!]]

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Wait, what is he doing now? Why has he cornered [[TropeyTheWonderDog Tropey]] in the old mill? [[NoodleImplements What's with the bicycle pump, oven mitts and three pounds of feathers?]] ...oh. Oh, no. Oh God, [[KickTheDog not the dog]]! NOT THE DOG!! [[BigNo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]] [[MoralEventHorizon Bob, you horrible bastard! How could you do such a thing?! I can't believe I used to think you were cool!]]
26th Apr '17 4:40:41 PM Dravencour
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Wait, what is he doing now? Why has he cornered [[TropeyTheWonderDog Tropey]] in the old mill? [[NoodleImplements What's with the bicycle pump, oven mitts and three pounds of feathers?]] ...oh. Oh, no. Oh God, [[KickTheDog not the dog]]! Not the dog!! [[BigNo Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!]] [[MoralEventHorizon Bob, you horrible bastard! How could you do such a thing?! I can't believe I used to think you were cool!]]

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Wait, what is he doing now? Why has he cornered [[TropeyTheWonderDog Tropey]] in the old mill? [[NoodleImplements What's with the bicycle pump, oven mitts and three pounds of feathers?]] ...oh. Oh, no. Oh God, [[KickTheDog not the dog]]! Not the dog!! NOT THE DOG!! [[BigNo Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!]] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]] [[MoralEventHorizon Bob, you horrible bastard! How could you do such a thing?! I can't believe I used to think you were cool!]]
26th Apr '17 4:39:49 PM Dravencour
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* [[spoiler: Yunalesca]] of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' is known as the first summoner to defeat [[EldritchAbomination Sin]] and save the world (albeit temporarily). She waits in Zanarkand as a ghost to greet summoners at the end of their pilgrimage. Until we discover [[spoiler: she turns one of the summoner's guardians into a living statue forever and that she knows it's impossible to truly defeat Sin this way]]. When the protagonists refuse to go along with her, [[OneWingedAngel she does NOT take it well]]. And shockingly, she actually remains an AntiVillain the whole time.

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* [[spoiler: [[spoiler:Lady Yunalesca]] of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' is known as the first summoner to defeat [[EldritchAbomination Sin]] and save the world (albeit temporarily). She waits in Zanarkand as a ghost to greet summoners at the end of their pilgrimage. Until we discover [[spoiler: she turns one of the summoner's guardians into a living statue forever and that she knows it's impossible to truly defeat Sin this way]]. When the protagonists refuse to go along with her, [[OneWingedAngel she does NOT take it well]]. And shockingly, she actually remains an AntiVillain the whole time.
26th Apr '17 4:37:13 PM Dravencour
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*** The scary thing is that Griffith goes for another round in this. Take all these and you may still think he's just a hopeless dreamer in the CrapsackWorld that is Midland. He might be viewed as a MagnificentBastard with shades of EvilIsCool, but overall still comes off pretty antiheroic and can earn respect. Then comes [[NightmareFuel the Eclipse]] and [[MoralEventHorizon and a betrayal so utterly horrifying that any kind of respect from the audience is probably gone.]]

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*** The scary thing is that Griffith goes for another round in this. Take all these and you may still think he's just a hopeless dreamer in the CrapsackWorld that is Midland. He might be viewed as a MagnificentBastard with shades of EvilIsCool, but overall still comes off pretty antiheroic and can earn respect. Then But then comes [[NightmareFuel the Eclipse]] and [[MoralEventHorizon and a betrayal of every one of his followers that is so utterly horrifying that any kind of respect from the audience is probably gone.]]
24th Apr '17 3:46:19 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Anime/AkameGaKill'' is filled with GrayAndGreyMorality characters, but one of the characters on the side against the Night Raid is Seryu. She is first shown as a nice girl with a tragic backstory of losing her parents and a strong belief in justice. She is even shown getting along with one of the Night Raid members (unknowingly) and helping out citizens of the Empire. She is also shown being a lab rat for the Empire's research. All this makes her seem TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth. [[spoiler: Then comes the reveal that Seryu is a bloodthirsty [[AxCrazy psychopath]] who enjoys hurting and murdering people. Her belief in justice turns out to be a convenient excuse, and she picks and chooses who is worthy of it or not. She kills innocent civilians if they're not on the side of the Empire. And if the audience was holding out for a HeelFaceTurn moment, those hopes end after she is shown [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill brutally murdering Sheele]] and enjoying every minute of it.]]

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* ''Anime/AkameGaKill'' is filled with GrayAndGreyMorality characters, but one of the characters on the side against the Night Raid is Seryu. She is first shown as a nice girl with a tragic backstory of losing her parents and a strong belief in justice. She is even shown getting along with one of the Night Raid members (unknowingly) and helping out citizens of the Empire. She is also shown being a lab rat for the Empire's research. All this makes her seem TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth. [[spoiler: Then comes the reveal that Seryu is a bloodthirsty [[AxCrazy psychopath]] who enjoys hurting and murdering people. anyone who stands against the Empire. Her belief in justice turns out upbringing led her to be a convenient excuse, and she picks and chooses who believe that [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity the Empire is worthy of it or not. She kills innocent civilians if they're not on the side of the Empire.justice and anyone who stands against it deserves to die, no matter how small their part]]. And if the audience was holding out for a HeelFaceTurn moment, those hopes end after she is shown [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill brutally murdering Sheele]] and enjoying every minute of it.]]
7th Apr '17 1:00:58 PM LondonKdS
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** Batiatus from initially looks like an IneffectualSympatheticVillain or a JerkassWoobie. Then he crosses the MoralEventHorizon. With a smile.

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** Batiatus from initially looks like an IneffectualSympatheticVillain or a JerkassWoobie. Then he crosses the MoralEventHorizon. With a smile. By [[spoiler:murdering the entire household of a guy who he owed money to, including a little boy, and then having Spartacus's wife Sura murdered to ensure that he only has glory to live for]].
*** And then, wouldn't you know it, they pull it off '''again''' with the exact same character in the second, prequel, season. The first episode depicts Batiatus as a scrappy underdog who isn't that bad at that point... and then in the second episode he [[spoiler:has poor Indus murdered in a particularly cruel YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness, and you realise that yes, he already is that bad. Special extra points for that murder being the StartOfDarkness for poor Ashur, who actually was a scrappy underdog who wasn't that bad.]]
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