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12th Mar '18 3:31:36 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* ''Film/BladeRunner2049'': [[BigBad Niander Wallace]] at first appears to be an AntiVillain BenevolentBoss like his predecessor Eldon Tyrell, cradling a newborn Replicant in his arms and tenderly wiping the birthing-fluid from her body while softly whispering "Happy birthday" to her. A few minutes later, he talks about the fact that his Replicants being [[spoiler: unable to reproduce]] makes them useless to him, whereupon he slices her abdomen open with a knife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath lets her bleed to death.]]

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* ''Film/BladeRunner2049'': While rather creepy and unsettling from the very beginning, [[BigBad Niander Wallace]] at first appears to be an AntiVillain BenevolentBoss like his predecessor Eldon Tyrell, cradling a newborn Replicant in his arms and tenderly wiping the birthing-fluid from her body while softly whispering "Happy birthday" to her. A few minutes later, he talks about the fact that his Replicants being [[spoiler: unable to reproduce]] makes them useless to him, whereupon he slices her abdomen open with a knife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath lets her bleed to death.]]
12th Mar '18 3:29:43 PM smasll_lordvoice
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** Also from ''The Last Jedi'': DJ is something of a slovenly jerk, but he fits right in with the grand Star Wars tradition of the [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold grumpy bear]] LoveableRogue. [[spoiler: Then he sells the Resistance out to the First Order at a moment's notice to save his own skin, apathetically telling Finn and Rose [[NothingPersonal "they blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow."]]]]

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** Also from ''The Last Jedi'': DJ is something of a slovenly jerk, but he fits right in with the grand Star Wars tradition of the [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold grumpy bear]] LoveableRogue. [[spoiler: [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk Then he sells the Resistance out to the First Order at a moment's notice to save his own skin, skin]], apathetically telling Finn and Rose [[NothingPersonal "they blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow."]]]]
21st Feb '18 12:12:27 PM nombretomado
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* And again in ''Film/JackieBrown'', we assume we're on Creator/SamuelLJackson's side, because he seems like his character in ''Film/PulpFiction'', with some funny lines about AK-47's and a stoner girlfriend, etc. He goes on to [[spoiler: shoot or threaten to shoot most of the characters in the movie]]. RobertDeNiro's character is the same, except we don't find out until much later on [[spoiler: when he shoots his/Ardell's girlfriend dead because she wouldn't stop talking]].

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* And again in ''Film/JackieBrown'', we assume we're on Creator/SamuelLJackson's side, because he seems like his character in ''Film/PulpFiction'', with some funny lines about AK-47's and a stoner girlfriend, etc. He goes on to [[spoiler: shoot or threaten to shoot most of the characters in the movie]]. RobertDeNiro's Creator/RobertDeNiro's character is the same, except we don't find out until much later on [[spoiler: when he shoots his/Ardell's girlfriend dead because she wouldn't stop talking]].
19th Feb '18 11:36:22 AM gb00393
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** Joffrey Baratheon proves to be this. He starts off as a [[RoyalBrat bratty]], spoiled, prince that gets humbled and learned his lesson. He seems to get better and make an effort to be the kind of prince that would make a good king. [[spoiler: Only to reveal his true colors after he becomes king. He has Ned Stark beheaded for treason, despite seemingly promising Sansa Stark, his fiancee and Ned's daughter, as well as his own mother, that he would spare him. He then goes on to mentally and physically torment Sansa and others at court. And once he gets his crossbow...]].

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** Joffrey Baratheon proves to be this. He starts off In "The Kingsroad", he seems to act decently enough in front of Sansa. Then he gets to bullying the butcher's son...it later happens again as he proves to be a [[RoyalBrat bratty]], spoiled, prince that gets humbled and learned his lesson. He seems to get better and make an effort to be the kind of prince that would make a good king. [[spoiler: Only to reveal his true colors after he becomes king. He has Ned Stark beheaded for treason, despite seemingly promising Sansa Stark, his fiancee and Ned's daughter, as well as his own mother, that he would spare him. He then goes on to mentally and physically torment Sansa and others at court. And once he gets his crossbow...]].
1st Feb '18 7:08:36 PM nombretomado
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* Inverted and played straight for different characters in ''MuramasaTheDemonBlade''. In Momohime's storyline, we're soon introduced to a seemingly utterly vile VillainProtagonist by the name of Jinkuro, and a seemingly noble monk who helped save Momohime and seems committed to making Jinkuro pay for his crimes... but it quickly turns out that things aren't quite so black and white. Rankai, the monk, is actually just motivated by vengeance and will do anything to see Jinkuro die, including ''selling Momohime's soul to a demon'', while Jinkuro, although still very much a villain, isn't quite as callous and devoid of redeeming features as he first appears.

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* Inverted and played straight for different characters in ''MuramasaTheDemonBlade''.''VideoGame/MuramasaTheDemonBlade''. In Momohime's storyline, we're soon introduced to a seemingly utterly vile VillainProtagonist by the name of Jinkuro, and a seemingly noble monk who helped save Momohime and seems committed to making Jinkuro pay for his crimes... but it quickly turns out that things aren't quite so black and white. Rankai, the monk, is actually just motivated by vengeance and will do anything to see Jinkuro die, including ''selling Momohime's soul to a demon'', while Jinkuro, although still very much a villain, isn't quite as callous and devoid of redeeming features as he first appears.
24th Jan '18 7:47:08 AM LondonKdS
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* ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' has a very spoiler-y instance of this when [[spoiler:Kylo Ren, revealed as Ben Solo, confronts his father on Starkiller Base. Han tries to talk him down, and Kylo seems to be listening, admitting to feeling conflicted and asking for Han's help. Then he murders Han, ensuring his fall to the Dark Side so he doesn't have to feel conflicted anymore.]]
** The [[Film/TheLastJedi next movie]] manages to do this with the ''same character''. [[spoiler: It's shown that even after murdering Han Solo, Kylo Ren still feels torn between the Dark Side and the Light. He passes up a chance to kill Leia, and when he murders his own master to save Rey's life and fights off the Praetorian Guard by her side, it seems like he's redeemed himself. Nope. He just wanted the power, and when his WeCanRuleTogether speech to Rey fails, he takes over the First Order and demands they destroy the last survivors of the Resistance.]]

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* Several cases in the third ''Franchise/StarWars'' trilogy:
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''Film/TheForceAwakens'' has a very spoiler-y instance of this when [[spoiler:Kylo Ren, revealed as Ben Solo, confronts his father on Starkiller Base. Han tries to talk him down, and Kylo seems to be listening, admitting to feeling conflicted and asking for Han's help. Then he murders Han, ensuring his fall to the Dark Side so he doesn't have to feel conflicted anymore.]]
** The [[Film/TheLastJedi next movie]] manages to do this with the ''same character''. [[spoiler: It's shown that even after murdering Han Solo, Kylo Ren still feels torn between the Dark Side and the Light. He passes up a chance to kill Leia, and when he murders his own master to save Rey's life and fights off the Praetorian Guard by her side, it seems like he's redeemed himself. Nope. He just wanted the power, and when Although he has sincere feelings for Rey, his next act is to deliver a completely sincere but completely sociopathic WeCanRuleTogether speech to Rey fails, her. When she declines, he takes over the First Order and demands they destroy the last survivors of the Resistance.Resistance, including her.]]
16th Jan '18 12:07:26 PM smasll_lordvoice
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** The [[Film/TheLastJedi next movie]] manages to do this with the ''same character''. [[spoiler: It's shown that even after murdering Han Solo, Kylo Ren still feels torn between the Dark Side and the Light. He passes up a chance to kill Leia, and when he murders his own master to save Rey's life and fights off the Praetorian Guard by her side, it seems like he's redeemed himself. Nope. He just wanted the power, and when his WeCanRuleTogether speech to Rey fails, he takes over the First Order and demands they destroy the last survivors of the Resistance.]]
** Also from ''The Last Jedi'': DJ is something of a slovenly jerk, but he fits right in with the grand Star Wars tradition of the [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold grumpy bear]] LoveableRogue. [[spoiler: Then he sells the Resistance out to the First Order at a moment's notice to save his own skin, apathetically telling Finn and Rose [[NothingPersonal "they blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow."]]]]



* ''Film/BladeRunner2049'': [[BigBad Niander Wallace]] at first appears to be an AntiVillain BenevolentBoss like his predecessor Eldon Tyrell, cradling a newborn Replicant in his arms and tenderly wiping the birthing-fluid from her body while softly whispering "Happy birthday" to her. A few minutes later, he talks about the fact that his Replicants being [[spoiler: unable to reproduce]] makes them useless to him, whereupon he slices her abdomen open with a knife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath lets her bleed to death.]]]]

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* ''Film/BladeRunner2049'': [[BigBad Niander Wallace]] at first appears to be an AntiVillain BenevolentBoss like his predecessor Eldon Tyrell, cradling a newborn Replicant in his arms and tenderly wiping the birthing-fluid from her body while softly whispering "Happy birthday" to her. A few minutes later, he talks about the fact that his Replicants being [[spoiler: unable to reproduce]] makes them useless to him, whereupon he slices her abdomen open with a knife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath lets her bleed to death.]]]]]]
5th Jan '18 1:25:06 PM 64SuperNintendo
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** Griffith in the Golden Age Arc is a charismatic mercenary captain who comes across as the most cool, likeable, and admirable person you've ever met, especially as seen through the eyes of the protagonist Guts, so that it really hits you for a curveball when you're occasionally reminded how ruthless and scary he can be. He's a brilliant battlefield commander and swordfighter, he makes Guts feel right at home with the Hawks in no time, he risks his life to save Guts twice, all of his followers practically worship him, and he's a hit with the ladies including Princess Charlotte whom he woos in a courtly manner. Then he asks Guts to assassinate Count Julius, the King's brother who had just made a failed attempt on Griffith's life, in which Guts also accidentally kills Julius' young son Adonis. When Griffith hears the news from Charlotte's maid Anna he briefly flashes a wicked grin, indicating that he isn't bothered by a child's innocent blood on his hands, that he assassinated Charlotte's uncle, or the fact that he used Guts for such a dirty mission -- in fact, it is speculated by Judeau that [[MurderTheHypotenuse he may have actually wanted the boy dead along with Julius because he was being groomed to marry Charlotte, who Griffith wanted for himself]]. The way he deals with the Queen's conspiracy against him is similarly chilling, as he uses Minister Foss' daughter as a hostage to make him betray the conspirators, kills the Queen and her plotters by trapping them in a burning building, and then has Guts kill the men he hired to kidnapp Foss' daughter so the evidence won't lead back to him.

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** Griffith in the Golden Age Arc is a charismatic mercenary captain who comes across as the most cool, likeable, likable, and admirable person you've ever met, especially as seen through the eyes of the protagonist Guts, so that it really hits you for a curveball when you're occasionally reminded how ruthless and scary he can be. He's a brilliant battlefield commander and swordfighter, he makes Guts feel right at home with the Hawks in no time, he risks his life to save Guts twice, all of his followers practically worship him, and he's a hit with the ladies including Princess Charlotte whom he woos in a courtly manner. Then he asks Guts to assassinate Count Julius, the King's brother who had just made a failed attempt on Griffith's life, in which Guts also accidentally kills Julius' young son Adonis. When Griffith hears the news from Charlotte's maid Anna he briefly flashes a wicked grin, indicating that he isn't bothered by a child's innocent blood on his hands, that he assassinated Charlotte's uncle, or the fact that he used Guts for such a dirty mission -- in fact, it is speculated by Judeau that [[MurderTheHypotenuse he may have actually wanted the boy dead along with Julius because he was being groomed to marry Charlotte, who Griffith wanted for himself]]. The way he deals with the Queen's conspiracy against him is similarly chilling, as he uses Minister Foss' daughter as a hostage to make him betray the conspirators, kills the Queen and her plotters by trapping them in a burning building, and then has Guts kill the men he hired to kidnapp Foss' daughter so the evidence won't lead back to him.
25th Dec '17 1:03:14 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* ''Film/TheHatefulEight'' is filled with this trope. [[spoiler: The Prisoner is shown as a DamselInDistress. She is really TheDragon or arguably the BigBad of the movie. The Hangman is shown as a JerkAss, but he proves to be the BigGood of the movie. The Sheriff is shown as an PoliticallyIncorrectVillain, but was GoodAllAlong. The Mexican is shown as charming and misunderstood, but was EvilAllAlong, same with The Cow Puncher. And The Little Man is shown as a head of authority, but is really a Mook. The Bounty Hunter seems like a nobleman, but is really an AntiHero, or a SociopathicHero. And the Confederate is shown as a nice old man, until The Bounty Hunter shows up, then he reveals himself to be a RacistGrandpa. The first half of the film focuses on each of the characters, so that the viewer can grow attached to them, making the reveals later powerful.]]

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* ''Film/TheHatefulEight'' is filled with this trope.trope, both played straight and inverted. [[spoiler: The Prisoner is shown as a DamselInDistress. She is really TheDragon or arguably the BigBad of the movie. The Hangman is shown as a JerkAss, but he proves to be the BigGood of the movie. The Sheriff is shown as an PoliticallyIncorrectVillain, but was GoodAllAlong. The Mexican is shown as charming and misunderstood, but was EvilAllAlong, same with The Cow Puncher. And The Little Man is shown as a head of authority, but is really a Mook. The Bounty Hunter seems like a nobleman, but is really an AntiHero, or a SociopathicHero. And the Confederate is shown as a nice old man, until The Bounty Hunter shows up, then he reveals himself to be a RacistGrandpa. The first half of the film focuses on each of the characters, so that the viewer can grow attached to them, making the reveals later powerful.]]


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* ''Film/BladeRunner2049'': [[BigBad Niander Wallace]] at first appears to be an AntiVillain BenevolentBoss like his predecessor Eldon Tyrell, cradling a newborn Replicant in his arms and tenderly wiping the birthing-fluid from her body while softly whispering "Happy birthday" to her. A few minutes later, he talks about the fact that his Replicants being [[spoiler: unable to reproduce]] makes them useless to him, whereupon he slices her abdomen open with a knife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath lets her bleed to death.]]]]
25th Nov '17 9:20:14 AM Chabal2
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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'''s orks have always been the ComicRelief characters and pruveyors of most of the BlackComedy with their excessive love of fighting, and ridiculoously aesome if explosion-prone guns. The skull-probes found in ''VideoGame/Warhammer40000SpaceMarine'' contain audio records that remind you just how horrible it is to be a civilian who ''can't fight back'' against them.

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'''s orks have always been the ComicRelief characters and pruveyors purveyors of most of the BlackComedy with their excessive love of fighting, chopping, and ridiculoously aesome ridiculously awesome if explosion-prone guns. The skull-probes found in ''VideoGame/Warhammer40000SpaceMarine'' contain audio records that remind you just how horrible it is to be a civilian who ''can't fight back'' against them.
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