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1st Sep '17 2:04:29 PM T3rr0rd0me
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Outside of canon this trope is invoked a lot especially in H-doujins due to a rather persistent tendency for [[MostWritersAreMale male writers]] to be intimidated by the idea of girls who don't find them sexually attractive because they're insecure [[ManChild manchildren]] (though generally only mildly). This is the reason why a disturbingly large number of popular lesbian characters and characters who are popular in part because of their [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship near lesbian tendencies]] are depicted in huge amounts of heterosexual porn with a random [[AuthorAvatar male insert]] or more and very frequently in the form of rape instead of [[GirlOnGirlIsHot with each other]]. Think of it somewhat as the DistaffCounterpart to AllTheGoodMenAreGay except this time, you can get them back on the "home team" so to speak.

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Outside of canon this trope is invoked a lot especially in H-doujins due to a rather persistent tendency for [[MostWritersAreMale male writers]] to be intimidated by the idea of girls who don't find them sexually attractive because they're extremely insecure [[ManChild manchildren]] (though generally only mildly).manchildren]]. This is the reason why a disturbingly large number of popular lesbian characters and characters who are popular in part because of their [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship near lesbian tendencies]] are depicted in huge amounts of heterosexual porn with a random [[AuthorAvatar male insert]] or more and very frequently in the form of rape instead of [[GirlOnGirlIsHot with each other]]. Think of it somewhat as the DistaffCounterpart to AllTheGoodMenAreGay except this time, you can get them back on the "home team" so to speak.
1st Sep '17 1:14:30 AM T3rr0rd0me
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Outside of canon this trope is invoked a lot especially in H-doujins due to a rather persistent tendency for [[MostWritersAreMale male writers]] to be intimidated by the idea of girls who don't find them sexually attractive (though generally only mildly). This is the reason why a disturbingly large number of popular lesbian characters and characters who are popular in part because of their [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship near lesbian tendencies]] are depicted in huge amounts of heterosexual porn with a random [[AuthorAvatar male insert]] or more and very frequently in the form of rape instead of [[GirlOnGirlIsHot with each other]]. Think of it somewhat as the DistaffCounterpart to AllTheGoodMenAreGay except this time, you can get them back on the "home team" so to speak.

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Outside of canon this trope is invoked a lot especially in H-doujins due to a rather persistent tendency for [[MostWritersAreMale male writers]] to be intimidated by the idea of girls who don't find them sexually attractive because they're insecure [[ManChild manchildren]] (though generally only mildly). This is the reason why a disturbingly large number of popular lesbian characters and characters who are popular in part because of their [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship near lesbian tendencies]] are depicted in huge amounts of heterosexual porn with a random [[AuthorAvatar male insert]] or more and very frequently in the form of rape instead of [[GirlOnGirlIsHot with each other]]. Think of it somewhat as the DistaffCounterpart to AllTheGoodMenAreGay except this time, you can get them back on the "home team" so to speak.
29th Aug '17 11:37:40 AM CosmicFerret
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* ''Franchise/MetalGear'' is very, very, ''very'' homoerotic, which is a major part of its appeal (as it's [[{{Camp}} one of the things that sets it apart from other cinematic-styled games]]). This was not really the focus in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', which, despite the innuendo-laden subplot about Gray Fox, was marketed as a heterosexual love story about Snake and Meryl, but has received increased attention from ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 3|SnakeEater}}'' onwards - ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'' trailers showed Raiden and Vamp in [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything white-blood-spraying]] OrgasmicCombat, and trailers for ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid V|GroundZeroes}}'' prominently featured Snake and Kaz's AlmostKiss, for example. Despite this, most indication of Snake's bisexuality is kept to acting choices (whether voice or motion capture) or humorous {{Easter Egg}}s, with Snake and Otacon remaining nominally heterosexual (although clear [[TheNotLoveInterest Not-Love Interest]]) characters until the very end. And Kaz is supposed to be a womaniser, something that gets on Snake's nerves enough that Snake has to fight him completely naked with soap flying everywhere. The only same-sex relationships that are utterly, canonically confirmed are: Volgin is having sex with Raikov, Ocelot is in love with Snake (whose degree of reciprocation is ambiguous), and Strangelove was a lover of The Boss. Even Vamp, an openly bisexual character, is only ''rumoured'' to have been involved with Scott Dolph, who he never mentions in the game (outside of a LooseCanon bonus mission); his relationships with Fortune and Naomi are way more important than anything he has with a male character.

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* ''Franchise/MetalGear'' ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' is very, very, ''very'' homoerotic, which is a major part of its appeal (as it's [[{{Camp}} one of the things that sets it apart from other cinematic-styled games]]). This was not really the focus in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', which, despite the innuendo-laden subplot about Gray Fox, was marketed as a heterosexual love story about Snake and Meryl, but has received increased attention from ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 3|SnakeEater}}'' onwards - ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'' trailers showed Raiden and Vamp in [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything white-blood-spraying]] OrgasmicCombat, and trailers for ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid V|GroundZeroes}}'' prominently featured Snake and Kaz's AlmostKiss, for example. Despite this, most indication of Snake's bisexuality is kept to acting choices (whether voice or motion capture) or humorous {{Easter Egg}}s, with Snake and Otacon remaining nominally heterosexual (although clear [[TheNotLoveInterest Not-Love Interest]]) characters until the very end. And Kaz is supposed to be a womaniser, something that gets on Snake's nerves enough that Snake has to fight him completely naked with soap flying everywhere. The only same-sex relationships that are utterly, canonically confirmed are: Volgin is having sex with Raikov, Ocelot is in love with Snake (whose degree of reciprocation is ambiguous), and Strangelove was a lover of The Boss. Even Vamp, an openly bisexual character, is only ''rumoured'' to have been involved with Scott Dolph, who he never mentions in the game (outside of a LooseCanon bonus mission); his relationships with Fortune and Naomi are way more important than anything he has with a male character.
23rd Aug '17 5:02:12 PM Lemia
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* ''Manga/CountCain'' and Godchild: Cain and Riff. There's an author's note about the high percentage of homosexual butlers in Victorian England. Riff is the only one allowed to touch Cain's scars and they have a ton of other intimate HoYay. AND THEN KAORI YUKI CLAIMS THEY HAVE A PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP.
Also, as of volume eight there is conclusive evidence that Cain has never seen Riff without a shirt.

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* ''Manga/CountCain'' and Godchild: Cain and Riff. There's an author's note about the high percentage of homosexual butlers in Victorian England. Riff is the only one allowed to touch Cain's scars and they have a ton of other intimate HoYay. AND THEN KAORI YUKI CLAIMS THEY HAVE A PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP.
Also, as of volume eight there is conclusive evidence that Cain has never seen Riff without
And then Kaori Yuki claims they have a shirt.platonic relationship.
23rd Aug '17 10:15:27 AM Lemia
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* ''Series/TeenWolf'' teased at Stiles [[AmbiguouslyBi potentially being bisexual]] for the first three seasons with the most blatant tease being Stiles responding to an openly bisexual character's query if he likes boys too with a thoughtful silence instead of an outright "no". This was compounded by the show's cast and crew expressing their support of Stiles/Derek, an extremely popular slash pairing in the fandom, with a number of promotional material explicitly referencing or teasing the pairing. Then in season 4, Stiles and Derek both got female love interests and the cast and crew began making statements denouncing the possibility of Stiles/Derek or Stiles being bisexual, leading many fans to accuse them of using the bisexual-Stiles subtext to attract slash shippers but then backpedaling from it when the Stiles/Derek following grew too large for their liking.
14th Aug '17 9:59:10 AM WriterGirl2015
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** Doumeki and Watanuki are another example as they have an incredible amount of HoYay with Doumeki even implied as having feelings for Watanuki but by the series end Doumeki marries a woman and Watanuki is dedicated to waiting forever for the woman he loves to return to the shop.



* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki is established as AmbiguouslyBi as he gets HoYay with a lot of male characters, particularly with Tsukiyama who is pansexual and obsessed with him to the point of "loving Kaneki above all over things" and they get much ShipTease throughout the series with an omake having Kaneki be Cinderella with Tsukiyama as a perverted prince obsessed with eating him. Kaneki seems charmed by Tsukiyama essentially flirting with him to gain his trust and when he's acting in a caring manner to Hinami in an omake Kaneki thinks "What a gentleman. If only he could always be like this." (In regards to Tsukiyama's obsession with wanting to eat him) [[spoiler: Although Kaneki makes emotionally charged statements of requesting Tsukiyama stay by his side until the end while naked it veers towards this as right after the HoYay moment Kaneki mentions Touka who he had sex with and who gave him her parents ring which he shows Tsukiyama. Ultimately, the HoYay ends up being unrequited on Tsukiyama's side as Kaneki has sex with and marries Touka which he informs Yomo and Tsukiyama of. Some fans argue that Kaneki had more interactions with people other than Touka making it seem like the buildup to their romance was rushed and undeveloped. Tsukiyama seems to be crying when Kaneki tells him about his and Touka's engagement but rather than react with jealousy like he did when Touka and Kaneki were together in the initial series he chooses to go the IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy route and organizes the wedding for Kaneki and Touka]]

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* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki is established as AmbiguouslyBi as he gets HoYay with a lot of male characters, particularly with Tsukiyama who is pansexual and obsessed with him to the point of "loving Kaneki above all over things" and they get much ShipTease throughout the series with an omake having Kaneki be Cinderella with Tsukiyama as a perverted prince obsessed with eating him. Kaneki seems charmed by Tsukiyama essentially flirting with him to gain his trust and when he's acting in a caring manner to Hinami in an omake Kaneki thinks "What a gentleman. If only he could always be like this." (In regards to Tsukiyama's obsession with wanting to eat him) [[spoiler: Although Kaneki makes emotionally charged statements of requesting Tsukiyama stay by his side until the end while naked it veers towards this as right after the HoYay moment Kaneki mentions Touka who he had sex with and who gave him her parents ring which he shows Tsukiyama. Ultimately, the HoYay ends up being unrequited on Tsukiyama's side as Kaneki has sex with and marries Touka which he informs Yomo and Tsukiyama of. Some fans argue that Kaneki had more interactions with people other than Touka making it seem like the buildup to their romance was rushed and undeveloped. Tsukiyama seems to be crying when Kaneki tells him about his and Touka's engagement but rather than react with jealousy like he did when Touka and Kaneki were together in the initial series he chooses to go the IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy route and organizes the wedding for Kaneki and Touka]]Touka.]]
* ''Manga/CountCain'' and Godchild: Cain and Riff. There's an author's note about the high percentage of homosexual butlers in Victorian England. Riff is the only one allowed to touch Cain's scars and they have a ton of other intimate HoYay. AND THEN KAORI YUKI CLAIMS THEY HAVE A PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP.
Also, as of volume eight there is conclusive evidence that Cain has never seen Riff without a shirt.
14th Aug '17 4:03:20 AM AnotherDuck
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* We now have a very interesting reversal of this trope. Whenever someone would claim two women, clearly engaging in some very overtly romantic behavior, are just "just friends" has now lead to a meme where fandom now reacts to creators lesbian-baiting by referencing particularly infamously queer scenes and sarcastically proclaiming "just gals bein' pals!" in response. Detractors of queer ships, canon or otherwise, are met with a similar reaction. The original "just gals bein' pals" was in response to real life erasure of bisexual by the media, but has been co-opted to mock any erasure of queerness, including queer-baiting.
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31st Jul '17 7:31:35 AM Miniatures
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* In the Netflix original ''Series/{{Crazyhead}}'', Amy and Raquel become incredibly close as the first season progresses, with plenty of subtext and awkward gay jokes suggesting that Raquel is queer and masking an attraction to Amy. Hell, the season finale features [[spoiler:a BigDamnKiss between the characters and what sounds like an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove from Amy]]! However, by the end of the episode, Amy reaffirms that she only loves Raquel as a friend, and she starts dating a male character.

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* In the Netflix original ''Series/{{Crazyhead}}'', Amy and Raquel become incredibly close as the first season progresses, with plenty of subtext and awkward gay jokes suggesting that Raquel is queer and masking an attraction to Amy. Hell, the season finale features [[spoiler:a BigDamnKiss between the characters and what sounds like an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove from Amy]]! However, by the end of the episode, Amy reaffirms that [[JustFriends she only loves Raquel as a friend, friend]], and she starts Raquel expresses her genuine support for Amy dating a male character.
31st Jul '17 7:27:40 AM Miniatures
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* In the Netflix original ''Series/{{Crazyhead}}'', Amy and Raquel become incredibly close as the first season progresses, with plenty of subtext and awkward gay jokes suggesting that Raquel is queer and masking an attraction to Amy. Hell, the season finale features [[spoiler:a BigDamnKiss between the characters and what sounds like an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove from Amy]]! However, by the end of the episode, Amy reaffirms that she only loves Raquel as a friend, and she starts dating a male character.
10th Jul '17 6:00:03 PM WriterGirl2015
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* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki is established as AmbiguouslyBi as he gets HoYay with a lot of male characters, particularly with Tsukiyama who is pansexual and obsessed with him to the point of "loving Kaneki above all over things" and they get much ShipTease throughout the series with an omake having Kaneki be Cinderella with Tsukiyama as a perverted prince obsessed with eating him. Kaneki seems charmed by Tsukiyama essentially flirting with him to gain his trust and when he's acting in a caring manner to Hinami in an omake Kaneki thinks "What a gentleman. If only he could always be like this." (In regards to Tsukiyama's obsession with wanting to eat him) [[spoiler: Although Kaneki makes emotionally charged statements of requesting Tsukiyama stay by his side until the end while naked it veers towards this as right after the HoYay moment Kaneki mentions Touka who he had sex with and who gave him her parents ring which he shows Tsukiyama. Ultimately, the HoYay ends up being unrequited on Tsukiyama's side as Kaneki has sex with and marries Touka which he informs Yomo and Tsukiyama of. Some fans argue that Kaneki had more interactions with people other than Touka making it seem like the buildup to their romance was rushed and undeveloped. Tsukiyama seems to be crying when Kaneki tells him about his and Touka's engagement but rather than react with jealousy like he did when Touka and Kaneki were together in the initial series he chooses to go the IWantMyBelovedToBeHapppy route and organizes the wedding for Kaneki and Touka]]

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* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki is established as AmbiguouslyBi as he gets HoYay with a lot of male characters, particularly with Tsukiyama who is pansexual and obsessed with him to the point of "loving Kaneki above all over things" and they get much ShipTease throughout the series with an omake having Kaneki be Cinderella with Tsukiyama as a perverted prince obsessed with eating him. Kaneki seems charmed by Tsukiyama essentially flirting with him to gain his trust and when he's acting in a caring manner to Hinami in an omake Kaneki thinks "What a gentleman. If only he could always be like this." (In regards to Tsukiyama's obsession with wanting to eat him) [[spoiler: Although Kaneki makes emotionally charged statements of requesting Tsukiyama stay by his side until the end while naked it veers towards this as right after the HoYay moment Kaneki mentions Touka who he had sex with and who gave him her parents ring which he shows Tsukiyama. Ultimately, the HoYay ends up being unrequited on Tsukiyama's side as Kaneki has sex with and marries Touka which he informs Yomo and Tsukiyama of. of. Some fans argue that Kaneki had more interactions with people other than Touka making it seem like the buildup to their romance was rushed and undeveloped. undeveloped. Tsukiyama seems to be crying when Kaneki tells him about his and Touka's engagement but rather than react with jealousy like he did when Touka and Kaneki were together in the initial series he chooses to go the IWantMyBelovedToBeHapppy IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy route and organizes the wedding for Kaneki and Touka]]
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