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* In theory, being a necromantic Lich in ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]'' is morally neutral and one can be either good or evil. In practice, the Lich's status on the KarmaMeter is [[TheChainsOfCommanding tied to its minions]]...who are ravenous, fearsome undead. It doesn't take many unplanned battles with good-aligned characters to drag the Lich down to evilness.
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%%* [[spoiler:Randall the detective]] does this in ''TheLazerCollection''.

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%%* [[spoiler:Randall the detective]] does this in ''TheLazerCollection''.''WebAnimation/TheLazerCollection''.
3rd Jun '17 2:54:03 PM Morgenthaler
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* Drake from GoldCoinComics can create a [[http://www.goldcoincomics.com/?id=124 teleportation portal]]. Too bad the good guys can't do that!

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* Drake from GoldCoinComics ''Webcomic/GoldCoinComics'' can create a [[http://www.goldcoincomics.com/?id=124 teleportation portal]]. Too bad the good guys can't do that!
23rd May '17 12:05:45 PM cpslck
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* ''Series/JessicaJones'' has a interesting examination in Kilgrave. His ability MindManipulation is more or less inherently dangerous and evil and even small orders are incredibly traumatic to the victim. The ability to get whatever you want whenever you want is also so inherently corrupting that it's near impossible to turn out normal, let alone good. Especially since Kilgrave developed his powers in childhood, and thus never learned about reciprocal relationships; as far back as he can remember, everyone in the world only exists to fulfill his desires.
22nd May '17 7:43:22 PM merotoker
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** Played straight with Sugar from the Donquixote family. She can [[spoiler: turn people into toys]], her victims are [[{{Puppetmaster}} forced to obey her will]] [[AndIMustScream (most of them can't act by themselves)]]. As a side effect, [[spoiler: everyone, friends, family, loved ones, and even Sugar herself, loses their memories about the people turned into toys]]. Pretty convenient power if you are a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity tyrant that wants to keep a good king facade]], considering [[FridgeHorror the giant pile of broken toys hidden in Dressrosa]]. Not to mention [[spoiler:she's 22 years old but looks 10 due to her Devil Fruit.]]
* DoubleSubverted in ''Anime/CodeGeass''. MindControl is a morally questionable power at best, and Lelouch's first use of it is to order a group of soldiers to kill themselves. But in spite of this, Lelouch has a noble goal (to free Japan from the EvilEmpire). As time goes on, it becomes clear he's gone off the deep end of WellIntentionedExtremist territory, even willing to manipulate his friends, betray allies, and slaughter children to achieve his goal. The only thing that keeps him from being an outright VillainProtagonist is the GrayAndGrayMorality of the series.

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** Played straight with Sugar from the Donquixote family. She can [[spoiler: turn people into toys]], her victims are [[{{Puppetmaster}} forced to obey her will]] [[AndIMustScream (most of them can't act by themselves)]]. As a side effect, [[spoiler: everyone, friends, family, loved ones, and even Sugar herself, loses their memories about the people turned into toys]]. Pretty convenient power if you are a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity tyrant that wants to keep a good king facade]], considering [[FridgeHorror the giant pile of broken toys hidden in Dressrosa]]. Not to mention [[spoiler:she's 22 years old but looks 10 due to her Devil Fruit.]]
Fruit]].
* DoubleSubverted DoubleSubversion in ''Anime/CodeGeass''. MindControl is a morally questionable power at best, and Lelouch's first use of it is to order a group of soldiers to kill themselves. But in spite of this, Lelouch has a noble goal (to free Japan from the EvilEmpire). As time goes on, it becomes clear he's gone off the deep end of WellIntentionedExtremist territory, even willing to manipulate his friends, betray allies, and slaughter children to achieve his goal. The only thing that keeps him from being an outright VillainProtagonist is the GrayAndGrayMorality GreyAndGrayMorality of the series.



** Despite some characters thinking along the lines of BadPowersGoodPeople, particularly Matsuda, the investigation team is overall pretty resolute in their view that Kira's power of killing people by knowing their name and face are evil and that Kira himself is nothing but a murderer. Summed up by Near in his ReasonYouSuckSpeech:

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** Despite some characters thinking along the lines of BadPowersGoodPeople, particularly Matsuda, the investigation team is overall pretty resolute in their view that Kira's power of killing people by knowing their name and face are evil and that Kira himself is nothing but a murderer. Summed up by Near in his ReasonYouSuckSpeech:TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:



* A number of villainous Stand users in ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' have nasty abilities. Dio's minions in [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders part 3]] include two flesh-eating Stands ''and'' two who can essentially create zombies, as well as a pair of brothers who can [[YourSoulIsMine steal souls]]; Kira Yoshikage from [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable part 4]] turns people into bombs; [[MadDoctor Cioccolatta]] from [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureVentoAureo part 5]] controls a deadly mold; Sports Max in [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStoneOcean part 6]] is yet another zombie-maker, and [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Scary Monsters]] from [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureSteelBallRun part 7]] crosses that with turning living creatures into bloodthirsty dinosaurs. Since Stands are almost always PersonalityPowers, these characters tend to be much more despicable than antagonists with generic abilities.

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* A number of villainous Stand users in ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' have nasty abilities. Dio's minions in [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders part 3]] include two flesh-eating Stands ''and'' two who can essentially create zombies, as well as a pair of brothers who can [[YourSoulIsMine steal souls]]; Kira Yoshikage from [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable part 4]] turns people into bombs; [[MadDoctor Cioccolatta]] from [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureVentoAureo part 5]] controls a deadly mold; Sports Max in [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStoneOcean part 6]] is yet another zombie-maker, and [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Scary Monsters]] from [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureSteelBallRun part 7]] crosses that with turning living creatures into bloodthirsty dinosaurs. Since Stands are almost always PersonalityPowers, these characters tend to be much more despicable than antagonists with generic abilities.



** Jean Grey's experiences with the Phoenix Force kinda dance around this line. She has the power to manipulate entire timelines for the better, can go toe-to-toe with Galactus, can make matter with her mind, survive being inside of and eating stars, beat Xavier and Emma Frost in a telepathic battle, make star-gates, breathe in space, generate all kinds of awesome fire, oh, and burn up the life force reserved for beings who have not yet been born. Good thing she's on our side most of the time.

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** Jean Grey's ComicBook/JeanGrey's experiences with the Phoenix Force kinda dance around this line. She has the power to manipulate entire timelines for the better, can go toe-to-toe with Galactus, can make matter with her mind, survive being inside of and eating stars, beat Xavier and Emma Frost in a telepathic battle, make star-gates, breathe in space, generate all kinds of awesome fire, oh, and burn up the life force reserved for beings who have not yet been born. Good thing she's on our side most of the time.



* Poison Ivy, from ''Franchise/{{Batman}}''. What homicidal environmentalist would be complete without [[KissOfDeath a poisonous kiss?]] Besides Ra's al Ghul, that is.
** Ivy is also a case of GoodPowersBadPeople. She could regrow the rain forest, feed the hungry, fix global warming, etc. Shame she's insane, really.
*** In ''Comicbook/{{Justice}}'', Ivy, along with a number of 'former' villains, started a series of good will moves across the globe. She was shown in an impoverished desert, either north Africa or middle east, growing entire orchards and crop fields. The main reason she doesn't do this more often is that she is essentially an eco-terrorist with superpowers who believes she can help the environment more by destroying factories and businesses.

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* Poison Ivy, ComicBook/PoisonIvy, from ''Franchise/{{Batman}}''. What homicidal environmentalist would be complete without [[KissOfDeath a poisonous kiss?]] Besides Ra's al Ghul, that is.
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is. Ivy is also a case of GoodPowersBadPeople. She could regrow the rain forest, feed the hungry, fix global warming, etc. Shame she's insane, really.
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really. In ''Comicbook/{{Justice}}'', Ivy, along with a number of 'former' villains, started a series of good will moves across the globe. She was shown in an impoverished desert, either north Africa or middle east, growing entire orchards and crop fields. The main reason she doesn't do this more often is that she is essentially an eco-terrorist with superpowers who believes she can help the environment more by destroying factories and businesses.



* Melter of the Young Masters of Ev...er, YoungAvengers is told this. Then again, being able to turn people into puddles of steaming goo doesn't often have "good" uses.

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* Melter of the Young Masters of Ev...er, YoungAvengers ComicBook/YoungAvengers is told this. Then again, being able to turn people into puddles of steaming goo doesn't often have "good" uses.



** Maxwell Lord, former member of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', is an example of the temptations of MindControl. He was originally a good guy who headed the League and had some psionic powers, then we found out his powers had increased a great deal and he had been manipulating the League for a long time. He went speeding past the MoralEventHorizon by murdering Ted Kord, the second ComicBook/BlueBeetle, then used mind control to give Franchise/{{Superman}} and Franchise/{{Batman}} hallucinations and endanger their lives, forcing WonderWoman to kill him to save them. [[spoiler: He's back to life as of ComicBook/BrightestDay and making his former teammates' lives a living hell. His powers are once again increased and he also nearly killed Kord's successor as the ComicBook/BlueBeetle, Jaime Reyes. Unambiguously a bad guy at this point.]]
* Unlike AlternateCompanyEquivalent Rogue, [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Parasite]] never decided to try using his powers for good. His inhuman looks didn't help, making him more inclined to be taken for a villain in the first place.

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** Maxwell Lord, former member of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', is an example of the temptations of MindControl. He was originally a good guy who headed the League and had some psionic powers, then we found out his powers had increased a great deal and he had been manipulating the League for a long time. He went speeding past the MoralEventHorizon by murdering Ted Kord, the second ComicBook/BlueBeetle, then used mind control to give Franchise/{{Superman}} and Franchise/{{Batman}} hallucinations and endanger their lives, forcing WonderWoman Franchise/WonderWoman to kill him to save them. [[spoiler: He's back to life as of ComicBook/BrightestDay and making his former teammates' lives a living hell. His powers are once again increased and he also nearly killed Kord's successor as the ComicBook/BlueBeetle, Jaime Reyes. Unambiguously a bad guy at this point.]]
* Unlike AlternateCompanyEquivalent Rogue, [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} [[Franchise/{{Superman}} Parasite]] never decided to try using his powers for good.the second option. His inhuman looks didn't help, making him more inclined to be taken for a villain in the first place.



* Justified in A.L. Phillips's Literature/TheQuestOfTheUnaligned. Since aligning yourself to magic actually alters your personality to match your element (wind mages become hyperactive "airheads", fire mages are brilliant but tend to have tempers, etc), becoming a mage of darkness pretty much turns you AxCrazy on the spot.

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* Justified in A.L. Phillips's Literature/TheQuestOfTheUnaligned.''Literature/TheQuestOfTheUnaligned''. Since aligning yourself to magic actually alters your personality to match your element (wind mages become hyperactive "airheads", fire mages are brilliant but tend to have tempers, etc), becoming a mage of darkness pretty much turns you AxCrazy on the spot.



** Powers are unrelated to their wielder's morality. However, a former member of the [[HeroKiller Slaughterhouse Nine]] was a [[{{Mutant}} Case-53]] dubbed "Nyx", who could spew a gas that let her make solid illusions...and was also a deadly poison.

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** Powers are unrelated to their wielder's morality. However, a former member of the [[HeroKiller Slaughterhouse Nine]] was a [[{{Mutant}} [[{{Mutants}} Case-53]] dubbed "Nyx", who could spew a gas that let her make solid illusions...and was also a deadly poison.



* In ''Series/{{Charmed}}'', good magic and evil magic are functionally distinct, and using the other side's magic or, to a lesser extent, simply being ''able'' to use it will turn you to that side - especially with evil magic. Poor Cole Turner, if only he'd lived in a world where the dichotomy between good and evil wasn't supported by AppliedPhlebotinum. He is a downplayed example though, as he spends a chunk of time fighting on the side of good despite still using his demonic powers, only losing them after being unable to control his SuperPoweredEvilSide.

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* In ''Series/{{Charmed}}'', good ''Series/{{Charmed}}''
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magic and evil magic are functionally distinct, and using the other side's magic or, to a lesser extent, simply being ''able'' to use it will turn you to that side - especially with evil magic. Poor Cole Turner, if only he'd lived in a world where the dichotomy between good and evil wasn't supported by AppliedPhlebotinum. He is a downplayed example though, as he spends a chunk of time fighting on the side of good despite still using his demonic powers, only losing them after being unable to control his SuperPoweredEvilSide.



* In TabletopGame/MageTheAscension, we had [[CreepyChild Widderslainte]], children who have been reincarnated with the reality-warping avatars of dead [[EvilSorcerer Nephandi]]. These kids tend to be amoral sociopaths BEFORE awakening, but when they do, most of them dive headfirst, cackling into [[TheDarkArts the dark side]].

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* In TabletopGame/MageTheAscension, ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'', we had [[CreepyChild Widderslainte]], children who have been reincarnated with the reality-warping avatars of dead [[EvilSorcerer Nephandi]]. These kids tend to be amoral sociopaths BEFORE awakening, but when they do, most of them dive headfirst, cackling into [[TheDarkArts the dark side]].



* The Warp operates this way in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. When you wake up with the ability to MindRape people at will, turn bodies inside out, create a mini-NegativeSpaceWedgie at will, or teleport by means of traveling through hell, you know you cannot possibly be employed by a benevolent organization. [[BlackAndGreyMorality The setting being what it is, of course]], this means you're as likely to be employed by the "good" guys as the forces of hell.

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* The Warp operates this way in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. When you wake up with the ability to MindRape people at will, turn bodies inside out, create a mini-NegativeSpaceWedgie at will, or teleport by means of traveling through hell, you know you cannot possibly be employed by a benevolent organization. [[BlackAndGreyMorality [[BlackAndGrayMorality The setting being what it is, of course]], this means you're as likely to be employed by the "good" guys as the forces of hell.



* Xykon, the sorcerer/necromancer from ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''. How he became like that is told in the prequel, ''StartOfDarkness''. [[spoiler:It starts with reanimating his boyhood pet, then having his reanimated grandmom kill his parents, and goes from there.]]

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* Xykon, the sorcerer/necromancer from ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''. How he became like that is told in the prequel, ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[spoiler:It starts with reanimating his boyhood pet, then having his reanimated grandmom kill his parents, and goes from there.]]



* Although [[BadPowersGoodPeople the inverse]] is more common in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', this is played straight with [[spoiler: Gamzee, the Alternian group's bard of rage.]] It's suggested that this may happen fairly often (although not inevitably) with rage players.

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* Although [[BadPowersGoodPeople the inverse]] is more common in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', this is played straight with [[spoiler: Gamzee, the Alternian group's bard of rage.]] rage]]. It's suggested that this may happen fairly often (although not inevitably) with rage players.



* Bloodbending in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and its sequel ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' is particularly nasty variation of Waterbending that manipulates the water in others' blood to turn them into PeoplePuppets. The inventor of the technique was a particularly vicious old woman bent on exacting her pound of flesh from the Fire Nation by attacking innocent Fire Nation civilians. Katara learned the basics, but only uses it twice: once to save her friends from it, and the second time she was in a very bad place mentally. [[spoiler:Yakone and his sons Tarrlok and Noatak/Amon]] are evil ambitious control freaks who, at least in the former's case, get a sadistic thrill out of turning people into blood puppets. Coincidentally or not, they also happen to have a talent for Bloodbending [[spoiler:to the point where they can do it without a full moon, and Yakone and Noatak even without motion mnemonics (IE: purely by thought).]]

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* Bloodbending in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and its sequel ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' is particularly nasty variation of Waterbending that manipulates the water in others' blood to turn them into PeoplePuppets. The inventor of the technique was a particularly vicious old woman bent on exacting her pound of flesh from the Fire Nation by attacking innocent Fire Nation civilians. Katara learned the basics, but only uses it twice: once to save her friends from it, and the second time she was in a very bad place mentally. [[spoiler:Yakone and his sons Tarrlok and Noatak/Amon]] are evil ambitious control freaks who, at least in the former's case, get a sadistic thrill out of turning people into blood puppets. Coincidentally or not, they also happen to have a talent for Bloodbending [[spoiler:to the point where they can do it without a full moon, and Yakone and Noatak even without motion mnemonics (IE: purely by thought).]]thought)]].
12th May '17 12:51:02 PM AnonymousArchivist
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* In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'':
** Powers are unrelated to their wielder's morality. However, a former member of the [[HeroKiller Slaughterhouse Nine]] was a [[{{Mutant}} Case-53]] dubbed "Nyx", who could spew a gas that let her make solid illusions...and was also a deadly poison.
** Miasma, another member of the group, generated an odorless, invisible gas that made him [[InvisibilityCloak invisible]] and caused [[StupidityInducingAttack brain damage]] in everyone else. Kinda hard to think of a "good" use for that power.



* In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'':
** Powers are unrelated to their wielder's morality. However, a former member of the [[HeroKiller Slaughterhouse Nine]] was a [[{{Mutant}} Case-53]] dubbed "Nyx", who could spew a gas that let her make solid illusions...and was also a deadly poison.
** Miasma, another member of the group, generated an odorless, invisible gas that made him [[InvisibilityCloak invisible]] and caused [[StupidityInducingAttack brain damage]] in everyone else. Kinda hard to think of a "good" use for that power.
8th May '17 9:20:28 AM intastiel
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* Played with and discussed in ''Literature/VoidDomain'': BloodMagic has an even worse reputation than demonology, thanks to many of its applications requiring extensive, enthusiastic, and deadly use of HumanResources. Eva manages most of her feats with voluntarily donated demon blood, but gains a reputation as an EnfantTerrible all the same -- and, indeed, she spends a holiday looking for people to PayEvilUntoEvil to and reduce to raw materials.

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* Played with and discussed in ''Literature/VoidDomain'': BloodMagic has an even worse reputation than demonology, thanks to many of its applications requiring extensive, enthusiastic, and deadly use of HumanResources. Eva manages most of her feats with voluntarily donated demon blood, but gains a reputation as an EnfantTerrible all the same -- and, indeed, she and spends a holiday looking for people criminals to PayEvilUntoEvil to and reduce to for raw materials.
7th May '17 10:33:56 PM intastiel
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* [[spoiler:Randall the detective]] does this in ''TheLazerCollection''.
* Wiki/{{SCP|Foundation}}-[[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-353 353]] fully embraces her PlagueMaster powers, to the point where she refers to herself exclusively as Vector.

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* %%* [[spoiler:Randall the detective]] does this in ''TheLazerCollection''.
* Wiki/{{SCP|Foundation}}-[[http://scp-wiki.In the ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'', [[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-353 353]] SCP-353]] fully embraces her PlagueMaster powers, to the point where she refers to herself exclusively as Vector.



* The powers found in ''{{Literature/Worm}}'' are divorced from their wielder's morality. However, a former member of the [[HeroKiller Slaughterhouse Nine]] was a [[{{Mutant}} Case-53]] dubbed "Nyx", who could spew a gas that let her make solid illusions...and was also a deadly poison.

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* The powers found in ''{{Literature/Worm}}'' In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'':
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are divorced from unrelated to their wielder's morality. However, a former member of the [[HeroKiller Slaughterhouse Nine]] was a [[{{Mutant}} Case-53]] dubbed "Nyx", who could spew a gas that let her make solid illusions...and was also a deadly poison.


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* Played with and discussed in ''Literature/VoidDomain'': BloodMagic has an even worse reputation than demonology, thanks to many of its applications requiring extensive, enthusiastic, and deadly use of HumanResources. Eva manages most of her feats with voluntarily donated demon blood, but gains a reputation as an EnfantTerrible all the same -- and, indeed, she spends a holiday looking for people to PayEvilUntoEvil to and reduce to raw materials.
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** The subversion is further driven home in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. While some firebenders still use their powers for evil, there are just as many criminals from the other bending elements and non-benders. Firebenders see good use of their powers in manufacturing and, for those that can bend lightning, [[MundaneUtility power plants]].

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** The subversion is further driven home in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. While some firebenders still use their powers for evil, there are just as many criminals from the other bending elements and non-benders. Firebenders see good use of their powers in manufacturing and, for those that can bend lightning, [[MundaneUtility power plants]]. Notably, while there are bad and villainous firebenders, none of the main {{Arc Villain}}s for each of the seasons is a firebender.
9th Mar '17 5:53:32 PM SoapheadChurch
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', we have the Mangekyou Sharingan, which can use MindRape by compressing 72 hours in a second (or a weaker version which Sasuke uses), control the strongest EldritchAbomination, summon ethereal warriors which feed off lifeforce, and create black flames that burn forever. The only way to obtain this power is to kill the person closest to you, and the only way to keep it is to take the eyes of your sibling (who needs to ''also'' have the Mangekyou Sharingan).
** Apparently, the emotional reaction of ''feeling responsible'' for the death of the person closest to you is more important to the activation than literally murdering them, since one character gets his ''retroactively'' upon learning [[spoiler:[[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou Big Brother]]]] [[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou Had A Good Reason For Abandoning You]], and two others apparently get theirs after ''failing to save'' the person closest to them.

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', we ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'':
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have the Mangekyou Sharingan, which can use MindRape by compressing 72 hours in a second (or a weaker version which Sasuke uses), control the strongest EldritchAbomination, summon ethereal warriors which feed off lifeforce, and create black flames that burn forever. The only way to obtain this power is to kill the person closest to you, and the only way to keep it is to take the eyes of your sibling (who needs to ''also'' have the Mangekyou Sharingan).
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Sharingan). Apparently, the emotional reaction of ''feeling responsible'' for the death of the person closest to you is more important to the activation than literally murdering them, since one character gets his ''retroactively'' upon learning [[spoiler:[[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou Big Brother]]]] [[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou Had A Good Reason For Abandoning You]], and two others apparently get theirs after ''failing to save'' the person closest to them.them.
** Hidan's VoodooDoll style ability to [[SympatheticMagic cause any damage he inflicts on himself to appear on his opponent]] can pretty much only be used by an immortal CombatSadomasochist with a homicidal streak, a bill that Hidan fits all too well.
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