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24th May '16 2:50:28 AM Adept
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* FanFic writers (particularly the less talented ones) are known for this, though whether the good guys actually ''are'' [[RonTheDeathEater smug, hypocritical tyrants]] and the bad guys [[DracoInLeatherPants brooding revolutionary thinkers]] in-canon could be [[SturgeonsLaw bad writing]].
23rd May '16 5:49:34 PM Anddrix
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* ''Film/{{Batman}}'': SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker joins Vicki Vale for a "date" in a museum café and looks over her portfolio of photographs. He dismissively flips through some shots of fashion models ("Crap, crap, crap...") before coming to a group of photos depicting mass graves in a war-torn foreign land. He reacts as if they are works of great beauty and genius. About a minute later, he brings his [[WhiteMaskOfDoom death-masked girlfriend]] in to show to Vicki and removes the mask, revealing that the other woman has a heavily scarred face. He calls this "a living work of art."

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* ''Film/{{Batman}}'': SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker joins Vicki Vale for a "date" in a museum café and looks over her portfolio of photographs. He dismissively flips through some shots of fashion models ("Crap, crap, crap...") before coming to a group of photos depicting mass graves in a war-torn foreign land. He reacts as if they are works of great beauty and genius. About a minute later, he brings his [[WhiteMaskOfDoom death-masked girlfriend]] in to show to Vicki and removes the mask, revealing that the other woman has a heavily scarred face. He calls this "a living work of art."
25th Apr '16 5:51:50 PM WillKeaton
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* In ''TabletopGame/DemonTheDescent'', as [part of their BlueAndOrangeMorality, Demons literally reverse the status of the Virtues [[note]]Charity, Faith, Fortitude, Hope, Justice, Prudence, Temperance[[/note]] and the Vices [[note]]Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Wrath[[/note]]. This is because they are, essentially, hyper-advanced sentient computer programs that have gone rogue and no longer respond to the will of the God-Machine that created them. Thusly, from their viewpoint, traditional human virtues either imply subservience to the God-Machine or risk their continued survival, whilst traditional human vices further cement their independence and status as rebels against the God-Machine's tyranny. For example, Charity is evil to a Demon because it means the Demon is giving away valuable resources that could be needed to survive or to help other Demons, and doing so for nothing, whilst Pride reaffirms the Demon's self-esteem and certainty in its existence as an independent being and not a cog in the God-Machine.

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* In ''TabletopGame/DemonTheDescent'', as [part of their BlueAndOrangeMorality, Demons literally reverse the status of the Virtues [[note]]Charity, Faith, Fortitude, Hope, Justice, Prudence, Temperance[[/note]] and the Vices Vices.[[note]]Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Wrath[[/note]]. Wrath[[/note]] This is because they are, essentially, hyper-advanced sentient computer programs that have gone rogue and no longer respond to the will of the God-Machine that created them. Thusly, from their viewpoint, traditional human virtues either imply subservience to the God-Machine or risk their continued survival, whilst traditional human vices further cement their independence and status as rebels against the God-Machine's tyranny. For example, Charity is evil to a Demon because it means the Demon is giving away valuable resources that could be needed to survive or to help other Demons, and doing so for nothing, whilst Pride reaffirms the Demon's self-esteem and certainty in its existence as an independent being and not a cog in the God-Machine.
4th Mar '16 4:38:58 PM Everdream
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* One of the villains in ''Anime/BlackButler'' is a depraved angel that is pit against the demon deuteragonist and the demon's young master. Said demon is [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very likely evil]] himself, but he and his master are clearly portrayed as being in the right in this particular conflict because they are fighting for the fate of many innocent people. To hammer in this trope even more, the angel's goal is to "purify' London, said angel is [[GoodWingsEvilWings white winged,]] and the demon's true form is not fully shown but said to be revolting and vile.

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* One of the villains in ''Anime/BlackButler'' is a depraved angel that is pit against the demon deuteragonist and the demon's young master. Said demon is [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very likely evil]] himself, but he and his master are clearly portrayed as being in the right in this particular conflict because they are fighting for the fate of many innocent people. To hammer in this trope even more, the angel's goal is to "purify' London, said angel is [[GoodWingsEvilWings white winged,]] and the demon's true form is not fully shown but said to be revolting and vile.revolting.
4th Mar '16 4:36:26 PM Everdream
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* In ''Anime/BlackButler'', there is a shocking inversion with an angel and a demon. Although everyone knows demons are evil and angels are good, the angel in the anime appears to do more damage than her/his natural enemy.

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* In ''Anime/BlackButler'', there One of the villains in ''Anime/BlackButler'' is a shocking inversion with an depraved angel that is pit against the demon deuteragonist and a demon. Although everyone knows demons the demon's young master. Said demon is [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very likely evil]] himself, but he and his master are evil and angels are good, the angel clearly portrayed as being in the anime appears right in this particular conflict because they are fighting for the fate of many innocent people. To hammer in this trope even more, the angel's goal is to do more damage than her/his natural enemy."purify' London, said angel is [[GoodWingsEvilWings white winged,]] and the demon's true form is not fully shown but said to be revolting and vile.
4th Mar '16 12:58:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* The goblins in ''Film/{{Legend}}'' find good and beautiful things disgusting, up to and including calling the unicorns "ugly one-horned mules."

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* The goblins in ''Film/{{Legend}}'' ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' find good and beautiful things disgusting, up to and including calling the unicorns "ugly one-horned mules."
10th Feb '16 6:05:59 PM nmn3r3
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* The Spellman's {{EvilTwin}}s in ''Series/SabrinaTheTeenageWitch'' have this mindset. Case in point, Zelda's EvilTwin Jezebelda reveals to Sabrina that she created the Black Plague. Jezebelda is flattered by Sabrina's exclamation of "That's awful!" and blushes humbly when Sabrina points out that the disease killed many, many [[{{Muggle}} mortals]].
4th Feb '16 4:39:58 AM jormis29
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* In ''TheOmen'' novelizations [[{{Antichrist}} Damien Thorn]] gives "his curses" to his worshippers and kindly promises them to "see you all in Hell".

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* In ''TheOmen'' ''Film/TheOmen'' novelizations [[{{Antichrist}} Damien Thorn]] gives "his curses" to his worshippers and kindly promises them to "see you all in Hell".
28th Jan '16 2:34:53 PM ultimomant
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* [[Music/TheyMightBeGiants John Linnell's]] "Maine" from ''State Songs'', is like this for the viewpoint character - "Th Hell from above" and "The Heaven below" in different choruses.

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* [[Music/TheyMightBeGiants John Linnell's]] "Maine" from ''State Songs'', is like this for the viewpoint character - "Th "The Hell from above" and "The Heaven below" in different choruses.



* According to some legends, [[Literature/TheBible SodomAndGomorrah]] had laws punishing citizens who did good deeds.

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* According to some legends, [[Literature/TheBible SodomAndGomorrah]] Sodom and Gomorrah]] had laws punishing citizens who did good deeds.



* In the SuperMarioSuperShow, King Koopa likes being called "Your repulsiveness," and similar lines, and whenever Princess Toadstool insults him he invariably responds with [[InsultBackfire "Thank you."]]
* Several villains in ''CaptainPlanet'' outright thrive in polluted conditions and suffer in healthy ones. This is mainly empowered ones like Duke Nukem (who enjoys radiation) and Captain Pollution (who is empowered by all kinds of pollution, but is hurt by pure elements), but Hoggish Greedly's sidekick (who is an ordinary human) complains at one point that "all this fresh air is giving [him] a headache".

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* In the SuperMarioSuperShow, ''Series/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow'', King Koopa likes being called "Your repulsiveness," and similar lines, and whenever Princess Toadstool insults him he invariably responds with [[InsultBackfire "Thank you."]]
* Several villains in ''CaptainPlanet'' ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'' outright thrive in polluted conditions and suffer in healthy ones. This is mainly empowered ones like Duke Nukem (who enjoys radiation) and Captain Pollution (who is empowered by all kinds of pollution, but is hurt by pure elements), but Hoggish Greedly's sidekick (who is an ordinary human) complains at one point that "all this fresh air is giving [him] a headache".
27th Jan '16 4:26:27 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'', Bowser Koopa has some minor traits of this, with at least one example present in the spin-off ''Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time'', where he loves Thwomp Volcano for being "hot, stinky, dangerous, and one humongous fire hazard". [[SuperMarioBrosSuperShow King Koopa]] (his cartoon alter-ego) invoked this trope a lot more often, however.

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* In ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'', Bowser Koopa has some minor traits of this, with at least one example present in the spin-off ''Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time'', where he loves Thwomp Volcano for being "hot, stinky, dangerous, and one humongous fire hazard". [[SuperMarioBrosSuperShow [[Series/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow King Koopa]] (his cartoon alter-ego) invoked this trope a lot more often, however.
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