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21st Jul '16 8:53:19 PM PaulA
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%%* In PiersAnthony's ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' series, ogres value being dumb and ugly.

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%%* In PiersAnthony's Creator/PiersAnthony's ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' series, ogres value being dumb and ugly.
6th Jul '16 3:16:47 PM Vilui
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Sometimes it isn't enough for a villain to be [[ObviouslyEvil evil]]. They [[SlaveToPR have to prove their evilness]] by [[GoodHurtsEvil eschewing all that is good]] and [[EvilFeelsGood embracing all that is bad]]. They'll eat [[TrademarkFavoriteFood foods that disgust the good guys]] and [[TheFunInFuneral laugh at funerals]]. They may also carry this over to their speech, making sure to only use negative phrases when most people would use a normal one, and correcting themselves if they "slip" ("Oh, goody! I mean, 'baddy.'") They'll [[KickTheDog kick puppies for sport]], and describe things as repulsive [[InsultBackfire like it's a good thing]]. They often describe sunny weather as depressing. They may be plagued by a MinionWithAnFInEvil.

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Sometimes it isn't enough for a villain to be [[ObviouslyEvil evil]]. They [[SlaveToPR have to prove their evilness]] by [[GoodHurtsEvil eschewing all that is good]] and [[EvilFeelsGood embracing all that is bad]]. They'll eat [[TrademarkFavoriteFood foods that disgust the good guys]] and [[TheFunInFuneral laugh at funerals]]. They may also carry this over to their speech, making sure to only use negative phrases when most people would use a normal positive one, and correcting themselves if they "slip" ("Oh, goody! I mean, 'baddy.'") They'll [[KickTheDog kick puppies for sport]], and describe things as repulsive [[InsultBackfire like it's a good thing]]. They often describe sunny weather as depressing. They may be plagued by a MinionWithAnFInEvil.
27th May '16 2:51:10 PM Doug86
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* A ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' sketch features [[TheDukesOfHazzard Bo]] deciding to act citizenly when Rosco is behind them. He pulls in and gives out his license at will, but Rosco is so used to the boys breaking the law, he thinks it's some trick and shoots him.

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* A ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' sketch features [[TheDukesOfHazzard [[Series/TheDukesOfHazzard Bo]] deciding to act citizenly when Rosco is behind them. He pulls in and gives out his license at will, but Rosco is so used to the boys breaking the law, he thinks it's some trick and shoots him.
24th May '16 2:50:28 AM Adept
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* FanFic writers (particularly the less talented ones) are known for this, though whether the good guys actually ''are'' [[RonTheDeathEater smug, hypocritical tyrants]] and the bad guys [[DracoInLeatherPants brooding revolutionary thinkers]] in-canon could be [[SturgeonsLaw bad writing]].
23rd May '16 5:49:34 PM Anddrix
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* ''Film/{{Batman}}'': SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker joins Vicki Vale for a "date" in a museum café and looks over her portfolio of photographs. He dismissively flips through some shots of fashion models ("Crap, crap, crap...") before coming to a group of photos depicting mass graves in a war-torn foreign land. He reacts as if they are works of great beauty and genius. About a minute later, he brings his [[WhiteMaskOfDoom death-masked girlfriend]] in to show to Vicki and removes the mask, revealing that the other woman has a heavily scarred face. He calls this "a living work of art."

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* ''Film/{{Batman}}'': SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker joins Vicki Vale for a "date" in a museum café and looks over her portfolio of photographs. He dismissively flips through some shots of fashion models ("Crap, crap, crap...") before coming to a group of photos depicting mass graves in a war-torn foreign land. He reacts as if they are works of great beauty and genius. About a minute later, he brings his [[WhiteMaskOfDoom death-masked girlfriend]] in to show to Vicki and removes the mask, revealing that the other woman has a heavily scarred face. He calls this "a living work of art."
25th Apr '16 5:51:50 PM WillKeaton
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* In ''TabletopGame/DemonTheDescent'', as [part of their BlueAndOrangeMorality, Demons literally reverse the status of the Virtues [[note]]Charity, Faith, Fortitude, Hope, Justice, Prudence, Temperance[[/note]] and the Vices [[note]]Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Wrath[[/note]]. This is because they are, essentially, hyper-advanced sentient computer programs that have gone rogue and no longer respond to the will of the God-Machine that created them. Thusly, from their viewpoint, traditional human virtues either imply subservience to the God-Machine or risk their continued survival, whilst traditional human vices further cement their independence and status as rebels against the God-Machine's tyranny. For example, Charity is evil to a Demon because it means the Demon is giving away valuable resources that could be needed to survive or to help other Demons, and doing so for nothing, whilst Pride reaffirms the Demon's self-esteem and certainty in its existence as an independent being and not a cog in the God-Machine.

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* In ''TabletopGame/DemonTheDescent'', as [part of their BlueAndOrangeMorality, Demons literally reverse the status of the Virtues [[note]]Charity, Faith, Fortitude, Hope, Justice, Prudence, Temperance[[/note]] and the Vices Vices.[[note]]Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Wrath[[/note]]. Wrath[[/note]] This is because they are, essentially, hyper-advanced sentient computer programs that have gone rogue and no longer respond to the will of the God-Machine that created them. Thusly, from their viewpoint, traditional human virtues either imply subservience to the God-Machine or risk their continued survival, whilst traditional human vices further cement their independence and status as rebels against the God-Machine's tyranny. For example, Charity is evil to a Demon because it means the Demon is giving away valuable resources that could be needed to survive or to help other Demons, and doing so for nothing, whilst Pride reaffirms the Demon's self-esteem and certainty in its existence as an independent being and not a cog in the God-Machine.
4th Mar '16 4:38:58 PM Everdream
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* One of the villains in ''Anime/BlackButler'' is a depraved angel that is pit against the demon deuteragonist and the demon's young master. Said demon is [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very likely evil]] himself, but he and his master are clearly portrayed as being in the right in this particular conflict because they are fighting for the fate of many innocent people. To hammer in this trope even more, the angel's goal is to "purify' London, said angel is [[GoodWingsEvilWings white winged,]] and the demon's true form is not fully shown but said to be revolting and vile.

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* One of the villains in ''Anime/BlackButler'' is a depraved angel that is pit against the demon deuteragonist and the demon's young master. Said demon is [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very likely evil]] himself, but he and his master are clearly portrayed as being in the right in this particular conflict because they are fighting for the fate of many innocent people. To hammer in this trope even more, the angel's goal is to "purify' London, said angel is [[GoodWingsEvilWings white winged,]] and the demon's true form is not fully shown but said to be revolting and vile.revolting.
4th Mar '16 4:36:26 PM Everdream
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* In ''Anime/BlackButler'', there is a shocking inversion with an angel and a demon. Although everyone knows demons are evil and angels are good, the angel in the anime appears to do more damage than her/his natural enemy.

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* In ''Anime/BlackButler'', there One of the villains in ''Anime/BlackButler'' is a shocking inversion with an depraved angel that is pit against the demon deuteragonist and a demon. Although everyone knows demons the demon's young master. Said demon is [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very likely evil]] himself, but he and his master are evil and angels are good, the angel clearly portrayed as being in the anime appears right in this particular conflict because they are fighting for the fate of many innocent people. To hammer in this trope even more, the angel's goal is to do more damage than her/his natural enemy."purify' London, said angel is [[GoodWingsEvilWings white winged,]] and the demon's true form is not fully shown but said to be revolting and vile.
4th Mar '16 12:58:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* The goblins in ''Film/{{Legend}}'' find good and beautiful things disgusting, up to and including calling the unicorns "ugly one-horned mules."

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* The goblins in ''Film/{{Legend}}'' ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' find good and beautiful things disgusting, up to and including calling the unicorns "ugly one-horned mules."
10th Feb '16 6:05:59 PM nmn3r3
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* The Spellman's {{EvilTwin}}s in ''Series/SabrinaTheTeenageWitch'' have this mindset. Case in point, Zelda's EvilTwin Jezebelda reveals to Sabrina that she created the Black Plague. Jezebelda is flattered by Sabrina's exclamation of "That's awful!" and blushes humbly when Sabrina points out that the disease killed many, many [[{{Muggle}} mortals]].
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