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8th May '17 7:29:34 AM StFan
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-->--'''Satan''', ''Literature/ParadiseLost''

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-->--'''Satan''', -->-- '''Satan''', ''Literature/ParadiseLost''



A common trait of {{Card Carrying Villain}}s.

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A common trait of {{Card Carrying Villain}}s.
[[CardCarryingVillain Card-Carrying Villains]].






* In ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'', the MirrorUniverse of the Crime Syndicate of Amerika works this way. People talk about "Moloch below" and swear by the Antichrist in casual conversation.
** It's more like "Bad is Good and Good is Weak" though.

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* In ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'', the MirrorUniverse of the Crime Syndicate of Amerika works this way. People talk about "Moloch below" and swear by the Antichrist in casual conversation.
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conversation. It's more like "Bad is Good and Good is Weak" Weak," though.



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* In ''[[FanFic/ThreeSlytherinMarauders 3 Slytherin Marauders]]'' Tom Riddle is terribly embarrassed about being sorted into Gryffindor- the house of "goodie-two shoes" and "cannon fodder."
-->'''Sorting Hat:''' I can see you learned quite well all the cunning you could ever need during your last stay in [[SchoolForScheming Slytherin.]]
-->'''[[TheAtoner Tom Riddle:]]''' What are you doing, Hat?
-->'''Sorting Hat:''' You already show commendable loyalty and you certainly strive toward academic achievements without needing any urging. [[VillainousValour And while you have plenty of courage...]] you might benefit from learning that being straightfoward in some dealings isn't all bad.
-->'''Tom Riddle:''' [[BigNo No!]]
-->'''Sorting Hat:''' Gryffindor!

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* In ''[[FanFic/ThreeSlytherinMarauders 3 Slytherin Marauders]]'' ''Fanfic/ThreeSlytherinMarauders'', Tom Riddle is terribly embarrassed about being sorted into Gryffindor- Gryffindor -- the house of "goodie-two shoes" and "cannon fodder."
fodder".
-->'''Sorting Hat:''' I can see you learned quite well all the cunning you could ever need during your last stay in [[SchoolForScheming Slytherin.]]
-->'''[[TheAtoner
]]\\
'''[[TheAtoner
Tom Riddle:]]''' What are you doing, Hat?
-->'''Sorting
Hat?\\
'''Sorting
Hat:''' You already show commendable loyalty and you certainly strive toward academic achievements without needing any urging. [[VillainousValour And while you have plenty of courage...]] you might benefit from learning that being straightfoward in some dealings isn't all bad.
-->'''Tom
bad.\\
'''Tom
Riddle:''' [[BigNo No!]]
-->'''Sorting
No!]]\\
'''Sorting
Hat:''' Gryffindor!



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* The inhabitants of Halloweentown in ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''. They say "How awful" when they see something they like and Dr. Finklestein says "Curiosity killed the cat" when he is praising Jack for wanting to do scientific research.
** Subverted when Jack's girlfriend Sally is - in all seriousness - trying to tell him that his plan to take over the Christmas holiday will likely end in disaster, which is something he does ''not'' want.
--> '''Sally:''' Jack, I just had the most horrible vision!
--> '''Jack [misunderstanding]:''' Wonderful!

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* The inhabitants of Halloweentown in ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''. They say "How awful" when they see something they like and Dr. Finklestein says "Curiosity killed the cat" when he is praising Jack for wanting to do scientific research.
**
research. Subverted when Jack's girlfriend Sally is - -- in all seriousness - -- trying to tell him that his plan to take over the Christmas holiday will likely end in disaster, which is something he does ''not'' want.
--> '''Sally:''' -->'''Sally:''' Jack, I just had the most horrible vision!
--> '''Jack [misunderstanding]:'''
vision!\\
'''Jack:''' ''[misunderstanding]''
Wonderful!



* In ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', the Quintesson court sends defendants plummeting to certain death in the Sharkticon tank by finding them "innocent".

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'', the Quintesson court sends defendants plummeting to certain death in the Sharkticon tank by finding them "innocent".



-->'''Evil:''' Suddenly, I feel very, very good.
-->'''Benson:''' Oh, I'm sorry, Master.
-->'''Evil:''' No, it'll pass, it'll pass.

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-->'''Evil:''' Suddenly, I feel very, very good.
-->'''Benson:'''
good.\\
'''Benson:'''
Oh, I'm sorry, Master.
-->'''Evil:'''
Master.\\
'''Evil:'''
No, it'll pass, it'll pass.



* Meg in ''{{Series/Supernatural}}'' revels in being a demon and serving Lucifer in earlier seasons and expresses a distaste for her turn toward helping the heroes in later seasons. She also finds a dash of the dark side an attractive quality in Castiel, the angel.
-->'''Meg''': (to Castiel) I'm kinda good, which sucks. And you're kinda bad, which is actually all manner of hot.

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* Meg in ''{{Series/Supernatural}}'' ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' revels in being a demon and serving Lucifer in earlier seasons and expresses a distaste for her turn toward helping the heroes in later seasons. She also finds a dash of the dark side an attractive quality in Castiel, the angel.
-->'''Meg''': (to Castiel) -->'''Meg:''' ''[to Castiel]'' I'm kinda good, which sucks. And you're kinda bad, which is actually all manner of hot.



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--> '''Eddie''': By your good graces-
--> Whole thing falls down
--> '''Eddie''': Evil, I meant evil graces! Aah, sonofa-

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--> '''Eddie''': -->'''Eddie:''' By your good graces-
--> Whole
graces--\\
''[whole
thing falls down
--> '''Eddie''':
down]''\\
'''Eddie:'''
Evil, I meant evil graces! Aah, sonofa-sonofa--



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--> '''Agatha:''' Nah, you did '''good'''. \\

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--> '''Agatha:''' --->'''Agatha:''' Nah, you did '''good'''. \\



* A long defunct webcomic called ''Webcomic/BardsTale'' featured a god of evil and his daughter, who invariably spoke like this.

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* A long defunct long-defunct webcomic called ''Webcomic/BardsTale'' featured a god of evil and his daughter, who invariably spoke like this.



'''Daughter:''' ''with cheery smile'' I hate you, too, daddy!

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'''Daughter:''' ''with ''[with cheery smile'' smile]'' I hate you, too, daddy!



-->'''Evil T-Rex''': I love being bad--I mean, I love being good! Because "bad" is "good" to us! And by "us," I mean the entire universe.

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-->'''Evil T-Rex''': T-Rex:''' I love being bad--I mean, I love being good! Because "bad" is "good" to us! And by "us," I mean the entire universe.



* ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'': Demons have a weird sort of BlueAndOrangeMorality that sits on the borderline between this and MightMakesRight. So destroying things and killing/eating people because you feel like it is good, but restraining yourself and caring what others thing about is bad.

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* ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'': ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'':
**
Demons have a weird sort of BlueAndOrangeMorality that sits on the borderline between this and MightMakesRight. So destroying things and killing/eating people because you feel like it is good, but restraining yourself and caring what others thing about is bad.



-->'''Lorenda''': I hate you! I'm going to my room!
-->'''Kria''': Lorenda! You get back down here and throw a tantrum in this room full of rare fragile vases or else!

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-->'''Lorenda''': --->'''Lorenda:''' I hate you! I'm going to my room!
-->'''Kria''':
room!\\
'''Kria:'''
Lorenda! You get back down here and throw a tantrum in this room full of rare fragile vases or else!



* Sabine and Nale in [[http://www.GiantITP.com/comics/oots0794.html this]] strip of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' have the standard AllGirlsWantBadBoys vs. SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan conversation, but entirely flipped. ("Sure, women like me swoon for a hero, but that's only because deep down, we think we can change them.")

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* Sabine and Nale in [[http://www.GiantITP.com/comics/oots0794.html this]] strip of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' have the standard AllGirlsWantBadBoys vs. SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan conversation, but entirely flipped. ("Sure, flipped.
-->'''Sabine:''' Sure,
women like me swoon for a hero, but that's only because deep down, we think we can change them.")



* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', Caliborn claims that spewing abuse at Jane is the cherub equivalent of complimenting her, since cherubs don't have positive emotions. She's not convinced.
** It also turns out he's unable to even type positive words. If he tries to, it quickly becomes random button mashing.

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', Caliborn claims that spewing abuse at Jane is the cherub equivalent of complimenting her, since cherubs don't have positive emotions. She's not convinced.
**
convinced. It also turns out he's unable to even type positive words. If he tries to, it quickly becomes random button mashing.



'''Drakken:''' ''(dismayed)'' Do ''not'' make me say those words!

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'''Drakken:''' ''(dismayed)'' ''[dismayed]'' Do ''not'' make me say those words!



29th Apr '17 9:20:51 AM CyberTiger88
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* ''WebAnimation/TerribleWritingAdvice'' discusses tropes and cliches to provide [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin terrible writing advice]] as good advice in a sarcastic fashion. The narrator frequently says that any deep and meaningful discussions should be avoided at all costs, especially if it gets in the way of the RomanticPlotTumor.
17th Mar '17 7:56:29 PM Vir
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* ''Film/{{Megamind}}'' had the title character raised in jail, at one point being taught to cheer burglars and boo policemen. He also has a conversation with Minion that run on this theme, ending with "You don't know what's good for bad!"

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* ''Film/{{Megamind}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}}'' had the title character raised in jail, at one point being taught to cheer burglars and boo policemen. He also has a conversation with Minion that run on this theme, ending with "You don't know what's good for bad!"
12th Mar '17 5:10:26 AM Andyroid
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* The Grims, the villains of ''WesternAnimation/The7D'', are a pair of [[CardCarryingVillain card-carrying]] fairy-tale villains who hate goodness. Hildy is disgusted at having to do good deeds while posing as a good witch in "Hildy the Good", and both Hildy and Grim are horrified when they experience "joy" during the ChristmasEpisode "Jollybells".
5th Feb '17 7:09:51 PM Andyroid
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* In one episode of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'', they performed "The Devil Went Down to Georgia". The Muppet!Devil took offense when Kermit told him his performance was pretty good.
-->'''Devil:''' "Good"?! I'm not ''supposed'' to be ''good''! Aw...
26th Jan '17 9:32:35 AM SantosLHalper
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* Saddam Hussein, as depicted on ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''. He loves Hell so much that when [[EvenEvilHasStandards Satan finally decides that he's had all he can stand of Saddam]], he banishes the dictator to Heaven (which in the ''South Park'' universe is populated only by Mormons). Saddam is immediately shanghaied by a troupe of actors who are just about to stage a play about how lying hurts people, and he is dragged off [[BigNo screaming in despair]].

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* Saddam Hussein, as depicted on ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''. He loves Hell so much that when [[EvenEvilHasStandards Satan finally decides that he's had all he can stand of Saddam]], he banishes the dictator to Heaven (which in the ''South Park'' universe is populated only by Mormons). Saddam is immediately shanghaied by a troupe of actors who are just about to stage a play about how lying stealing hurts people, the thief as well as the victim, and he is dragged off [[BigNo screaming in despair]].
5th Dec '16 10:59:32 AM Morgenthaler
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** ''Disgaea'' demon logic [[InsaneTrollLogic can be an odd thing]]. Since bad is good and good is bad, they might [[MindScrew act good in order to be bad]]. For example, in ''VideoGame/Disgaea3AbsenceOfJustice'', the setting is a school where slackers, cheaters and bullies are considered honor students, while students who actually attend class and do volunteer work are considered delinquents. There are demons that purposely try to be "delinquents" because they think it makes them look {{badass}}.

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** ''Disgaea'' demon logic [[InsaneTrollLogic can be an odd thing]]. Since bad is good and good is bad, they might [[MindScrew act good in order to be bad]]. For example, in ''VideoGame/Disgaea3AbsenceOfJustice'', the setting is a school where slackers, cheaters and bullies are considered honor students, while students who actually attend class and do volunteer work are considered delinquents. There are demons that purposely try to be "delinquents" because they think it makes them look {{badass}}.badass.
24th Nov '16 10:08:40 AM nombretomado
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* From the ''AustinPowers'' soundtrack, "Dr Evil" by TheyMightBeGiants:

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* From the ''AustinPowers'' ''Film/AustinPowers'' soundtrack, "Dr Evil" by TheyMightBeGiants:Music/TheyMightBeGiants:
13th Nov '16 11:51:41 PM CaptainTedium
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* This is lampshaded and exploited by Huey, Dewey, and Louie in the ''WesternAnimation/QuackPack'' episode "The Boy Who Cried Ghost", where they frighten the monsters by wearing the cutesy Halloween costumes they got stuck with and having their uncle Donald pretend to be a baby, reasoning that since monsters are hideous they would be horrified of cute things.
12th Nov '16 2:37:32 AM Morgenthaler
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Can also be why EvilCannotComprehendGood. If they simply loathe all positive attributes without necessarily emphasizing their evil ones, they're probably more of a believer in VirtueIsWeakness.

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Can also be why EvilCannotComprehendGood. If they simply loathe all positive attributes without necessarily emphasizing their evil negative ones, they're probably more of a believer in VirtueIsWeakness.
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