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20th Jul '17 12:58:50 AM bt8257
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* Adolf Hitler initiated ''Operation Barbarossa'' against the Soviet Union on the 22nd of June 1941 ultimately because he really, ''really'' hated Communism. And Slavs. And Jews. Which was a really unfortunate combination of prejudices for the Soviet Union, because it contained more than 2 million people who were all three, 160 million people who were two out of three (Slavic Commies), and another 40 million Central Asians who were at the very least quite inarguably Commies. [[AndThatsTerrible Which was bad.]] Given that Germany had a population of fewer than 80 million people, industrial production almost certainly lesser than that of the Soviet Union, war industries ''dependent upon Soviet resources (tungsten, rubber, petrol) to continue functioning'', and that Germany was (politically) unwilling to initiate a total mobilisation of her already lesser aforementioned manpower and industrial resources, there was absolutely no way that this was not a very, very bad idea even given the data available to them at the time. Unless, of course, one assumed that Soviet resistance would be crushed within four weeks and the entire country occupied within six. Or ''maybe'' eight, if there was a bit of rain and mud or something. [[UnreliableNarrator This being exactly what the army said would happen if Hitler just gave them the go-ahead]]...
** Then he compounded it with the ultimate diplomatic blunder of the War: declaring war on the United States when he was under no obligation with Germany's alliance with Japan. All Hitler gained from that was to enable his navy to attack American ships who were interfering with his U-Boats' campaign to strangle British trans-Atlantic shipping, while US President UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt was able to join the fight with complete domestic political support.
* The actual {{Trope Namer|s}}, featured in the movie ''Tora! Tora! Tora!'', appears to be a case of BeamMeUpScotty, as there is no reliable record of Yamamoto ever saying it. He did, however, express similar sentiments, saying that Japan shouldn't declare war against the United States unless they thought they could dictate peace terms in the White House (which they obviously never could), and telling his superiors that he could "run wild for six months" but couldn't guarantee anything after that (Midway came six months almost exactly to the day after Pearl Harbor). Yamamoto only turned towards the Pearl Harbor attack after it became clear that the government was hell-bent on war with the United States.

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* Adolf Hitler initiated ''Operation Barbarossa'' against the Soviet Union on the 22nd of June 1941 ultimately because he really, ''really'' hated Communism. And Slavs. And Jews. Which was a really unfortunate combination of prejudices for the Soviet Union, because it contained more than 2 million people who were all three, 160 million people who were two out of three (Slavic Commies), and another 40 million Central Asians who were at the very least quite inarguably Commies. [[AndThatsTerrible Which was bad.]] Given that Germany had a population of fewer than 80 million people, industrial production almost certainly lesser than that of the Soviet Union, war industries ''dependent upon Soviet resources (tungsten, rubber, petrol) to continue functioning'', and that Germany was (politically) unwilling to initiate a total mobilisation of her already lesser aforementioned manpower and industrial resources, there was absolutely no way that this was not a very, very bad idea even given the data available to them at the time. Unless, of course, one assumed that Soviet resistance would be crushed within four weeks and the entire country occupied within six. Or ''maybe'' eight, if there was a bit of rain and mud or something. [[UnreliableNarrator This being exactly what the army said would happen if Hitler just gave them the go-ahead]]...
** Then
go-ahead.]] ''Then'' he compounded it with the ultimate diplomatic blunder of the War: declaring war on the United States when he was under no obligation with Germany's alliance with Japan. All Hitler gained from that was to enable his navy to attack American ships who were interfering with his U-Boats' campaign to strangle British trans-Atlantic shipping, while US President UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt was able to join the fight with complete domestic political support.
* The actual {{Trope Namer|s}}, featured in the movie ''Tora! Tora! Tora!'', appears to be a case of BeamMeUpScotty, as there is no reliable record of Yamamoto ever saying it. He did, however, express similar sentiments, saying that Japan shouldn't declare war against the United States unless they thought they could dictate peace terms in the White House (which they obviously never could), would be able to do), and telling his superiors that he could "run wild for six months" but couldn't guarantee anything after that (Midway came (The Battle of Midway ended exactly six months almost exactly to the day after Pearl Harbor). Yamamoto only turned towards the Pearl Harbor attack after it became clear that the government was hell-bent on war with the United States.



** This trope is played with in that the sleeping giant is generally supposed to ''want'' to stay neutral during the conflict, but the situation in the United States was more complex. While most of the American population wanted to stay out of both the war in Europe and the war in the Pacific because America had its' own problems (it's easy for people to overlook that America was only now coming out of the Great Depression), President Roosevelt had by necessity a broader worldview and knew that a Europe and Pacific controlled by Axis powers would ''not'' be in America's best interests. While Pearl Harbor came as a terrible shock to him, he wasted no time in rallying Americans to the fact that while they had not started the fight, it was their job to finish it.
** [[http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm This page]] details how ''immense'' was the American potential. Basically, American industrial potential was such that it took ''every single other major player combined'' to match what the Americans produced in the war (and that with most of the players having a headstart of over two years), and what's worse by 1945 they were just ''warming up''. The best example of this is that in two different years, American war plane production was greater (86,000 in 1943 and 96,000 in 1944) than Japan's ''entire wartime total'' (76,000, from 1939-1945). Then add in that most of the American planes were of newer design, better armed, better armor, and you get a ridiculously massive discrepancy.
** On top of that, from 1943 to 1944, the US Navy commissioned more ships than the Imperial Japanese Navy had in their ''entire'' seventy year existence.

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** This trope is played with in that the sleeping giant is generally supposed to ''want'' ''wants'' to stay neutral during the conflict, but the situation in the United States was more complex. While most of the American population wanted to stay out of both the war in Europe and the war in the Pacific because America had its' its own problems (it's easy for people to overlook that America was only now coming out of the Great Depression), President Roosevelt had by necessity a broader worldview and knew that a Europe and Pacific controlled by Axis powers would ''not'' be in America's best interests. While Pearl Harbor came as a terrible shock to him, he wasted no time in rallying Americans to the fact that while they had not started the fight, it was their job to finish it.
''finish it''.
** [[http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm This page]] details how ''immense'' was the American potential. Basically, American industrial potential was such that it took ''every single other major player combined'' to match what the Americans produced in the war (and that with most of the players having a headstart head-start of over two years), and what's worse by 1945 they were just ''warming up''. The best example of this is that in two different years, American war plane production was greater (86,000 in 1943 and 96,000 in 1944) than Japan's ''entire wartime total'' (76,000, from 1939-1945). Then add in that most of the American planes were of newer design, better armed, better armor, and you get a ridiculously massive discrepancy.
** On top of that, from 1943 to 1944, the US Navy commissioned more ships than the Imperial Japanese Navy had in their ''entire'' seventy year 70-year existence.
17th Jul '17 4:11:43 AM thatmadork
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** The turians were astonished after the war to find out that only a paltry ''3%'' of the overall human population served in a military function; turians, being [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Space Romans/Prussians]], are ''all'' trained to fight. The idea of humans mobilising ''en masse'' to fight something leaves many of them silently terrified.
18th Jun '17 10:44:45 PM Statzkeen
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* Imperial Germany's Foreign Office during World War I managed to, by acting on its own and swallowing (to paraphrase the rest of the entire German government, military, and Reichstag) ''a massive spoonful of stupid'', do pretty much the same thing as Hitler and Japan. In 1917 the Embassador to Mexico offered the country an alliance with the promise of helping [[MexicoCalledTheyWantTexasBack them reclaim Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona]]. He hoped that if the Mexicans invaded, then America would be too busy to join the Entente or send them supplies.

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* Imperial Germany's Foreign Office during World War I managed to, by acting on its own and swallowing (to paraphrase the rest of the entire German government, military, and Reichstag) ''a massive spoonful of stupid'', do pretty much the same thing as Hitler and Japan. In 1917 the Embassador Ambassador to Mexico offered the country an alliance with the promise of helping [[MexicoCalledTheyWantTexasBack them reclaim Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona]]. He hoped that if the Mexicans invaded, then America would be too busy to join the Entente or send them supplies.
18th Jun '17 10:39:18 PM Statzkeen
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A SubTrope of NeutralNoLonger and related to HeroicNeutral. May serve as a DeusExMachina and/or StoryBreakerPower (and/or GameBreaker, if the work is a game) if the giant was an AllPowerfulBystander. Compare DefaultToGood.

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A SubTrope of NeutralNoLonger and related to HeroicNeutral. May serve as a DeusExMachina and/or StoryBreakerPower (and/or GameBreaker, if the work is a game) if the giant was an AllPowerfulBystander. Compare BullyingADragon and DefaultToGood.
10th Jun '17 2:50:52 PM nombretomado
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* This is the Bolshevik view of the working class in relation to WorldWarI. The imperialist powers had created an age of untold bloodshed, but if the proletariat could "transform the imperialist war into a civil war", they would sweep away all the capitalist governments and establish a United Socialist States of Europe as a prelude to the World Socialist Republic and finally FULL COMMUNISM!

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* This is the Bolshevik view of the working class in relation to WorldWarI.UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. The imperialist powers had created an age of untold bloodshed, but if the proletariat could "transform the imperialist war into a civil war", they would sweep away all the capitalist governments and establish a United Socialist States of Europe as a prelude to the World Socialist Republic and finally FULL COMMUNISM!
23rd May '17 11:26:54 PM LtFedora
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** The phrase did appear on Union pamphlets during the American Civil war, with the sleeping giant being a representation of Northern industrialism and anti-slavery sentiment. The screenwriters were probably reworking an older symbol of America's strength and tendency towards neutrality.

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** The phrase did appear on Union pamphlets during the American Civil war, War, with the sleeping giant being a representation of Northern industrialism and anti-slavery sentiment. The screenwriters were probably reworking an older symbol of America's strength and tendency towards neutrality.
15th May '17 2:44:47 AM Arivne
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* Adolf Hitler initiated ''Operation Barbarossa'' against the Soviet Union on the 22nd of June 1941 ultimately because he really, ''really'' hated Communism. And Slavs. And Jews. Which was a really unfortunate combination of prejudices for the Soviet Union, because it contained more than 2 million people who were all three, 160 million people who were two out of three (Slavic Commies), and another 40 million central asians who were at the very least quite inarguably Commies. [[AndThatsTerrible Which was bad.]] Given that Germany had a population of fewer than 80 million people, industrial production almost certainly lesser than that of the Soviet Union, war industries ''dependent upon Soviet resources (tungsten, rubber, petrol) to continue functioning'', and that Germany was (politically) unwilling to initiate a total mobilisation of her already lesser aforementioned manpower and industrial resources, there was absolutely no way that this was not a very, very bad idea even given the data available to them at the time. Unless, of course, one assumed that Soviet resistance would be crushed within four weeks and the entire country occupied within six. Or ''maybe'' eight, if there was a bit of rain and mud or something. [[UnreliableNarrator This being exactly what the army said would happen if Hitler just gave them the go-ahead]]...

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* Adolf Hitler initiated ''Operation Barbarossa'' against the Soviet Union on the 22nd of June 1941 ultimately because he really, ''really'' hated Communism. And Slavs. And Jews. Which was a really unfortunate combination of prejudices for the Soviet Union, because it contained more than 2 million people who were all three, 160 million people who were two out of three (Slavic Commies), and another 40 million central asians Central Asians who were at the very least quite inarguably Commies. [[AndThatsTerrible Which was bad.]] Given that Germany had a population of fewer than 80 million people, industrial production almost certainly lesser than that of the Soviet Union, war industries ''dependent upon Soviet resources (tungsten, rubber, petrol) to continue functioning'', and that Germany was (politically) unwilling to initiate a total mobilisation of her already lesser aforementioned manpower and industrial resources, there was absolutely no way that this was not a very, very bad idea even given the data available to them at the time. Unless, of course, one assumed that Soviet resistance would be crushed within four weeks and the entire country occupied within six. Or ''maybe'' eight, if there was a bit of rain and mud or something. [[UnreliableNarrator This being exactly what the army said would happen if Hitler just gave them the go-ahead]]...
15th May '17 2:43:44 AM Arivne
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** As a matter of fact, France had been increasing its bombing campaign since September of 2016, and French authorities [[http://news.usni.org/2015/11/16/french-carrier-charles-de-gaulle-leaves-for-middle-east-on-wednesday had announced the redeployment of the Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle in the Persian Gulf in November]]. The slaughter in Paris mainly caused the French government to communicate '''a lot''' more about its ongoing military effort. Closer to this trope is the fact that Paris invoked Article 42.7 of the Treaty of Lisbon ("''If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power''"): demanding (and receiving) financial and military assistance from the other EU member states, which is considered to be the final step before the "institutional nuclear option" of Article 46: [[SuperWeaponSurprise merging of all the EU's national armies into a single structure]].

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** As a matter of fact, France had been increasing its bombing campaign since September of 2016, and French authorities [[http://news.usni.org/2015/11/16/french-carrier-charles-de-gaulle-leaves-for-middle-east-on-wednesday had announced the redeployment of the Aircraft Carrier aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle in the Persian Gulf in November]]. The slaughter in Paris mainly caused the French government to communicate '''a lot''' more about its ongoing military effort. Closer to this trope is the fact that Paris invoked Article 42.7 of the Treaty of Lisbon ("''If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power''"): demanding (and receiving) financial and military assistance from the other EU member states, which is considered to be the final step before the "institutional nuclear option" of Article 46: [[SuperWeaponSurprise merging of all the EU's national armies into a single structure]].



* This is the Bolshevik view of the working class in relation to World War 1. The imperialist powers had created an age of untold bloodshed, but if the proletariat could "transform the imperialist war into a civil war", they would sweep away all the capitalist governments and establish a United Socialist States of Europe as a prelude to the World Socialist Republic and finally FULL COMMUNISM!

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* This is the Bolshevik view of the working class in relation to World War 1.WorldWarI. The imperialist powers had created an age of untold bloodshed, but if the proletariat could "transform the imperialist war into a civil war", they would sweep away all the capitalist governments and establish a United Socialist States of Europe as a prelude to the World Socialist Republic and finally FULL COMMUNISM!
9th May '17 12:34:15 PM MagwitchOo
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** As a matter of fact, France had been increasing its bombing campaign since September, and French authorities [[http://news.usni.org/2015/11/16/french-carrier-charles-de-gaulle-leaves-for-middle-east-on-wednesday had announced the redeployment of the Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle in the Persian Gulf in November]]. The slaughter in Paris mainly caused the French government to communicate '''a lot''' more about its ongoing military effort. Closer to this trope is the fact that Paris invoked Article 42.7 of the Treaty of Lisbon ("''If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power''"): demanding (and receiving) financial and military assistance from the other EU member states, which is considered to be the final step before the "institutional nuclear option" of Article 46: [[SuperWeaponSurprise merging of all the EU's national armies into a single structure]].

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** As a matter of fact, France had been increasing its bombing campaign since September, September of 2016, and French authorities [[http://news.usni.org/2015/11/16/french-carrier-charles-de-gaulle-leaves-for-middle-east-on-wednesday had announced the redeployment of the Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle in the Persian Gulf in November]]. The slaughter in Paris mainly caused the French government to communicate '''a lot''' more about its ongoing military effort. Closer to this trope is the fact that Paris invoked Article 42.7 of the Treaty of Lisbon ("''If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power''"): demanding (and receiving) financial and military assistance from the other EU member states, which is considered to be the final step before the "institutional nuclear option" of Article 46: [[SuperWeaponSurprise merging of all the EU's national armies into a single structure]].
7th May '17 12:38:05 AM KidDynamite
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* In the WWE story, ''The Return-Remixed'', Wrestling/{{Edge}} is shown as being friendly with the Divas and the members of DEAR when he first returns. When Ashley Massaro (who had been shamelessly throwing herself at him, trying to get a date with him) tried to take out his girlfriend, new Diva Kennedi Korklan, Edge firmly threw his weight behind the Divas, helping them become the Diva Army and bringing in Wrestling/{{Jazz}} to whip them into shape to fight DEAR.
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