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21st May '18 12:32:31 PM Jubileus57
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* The ministers and [=MPs=] of the Floating Parliament in ''VideoGame/SunlessSkies'' still pass bills all the time, but no one does even care about them, especially not Her Renewed Majesty which had the Parliament severed from London, sending it drifting away at the ridge of Albion. Should you bring a new law to her, it will be torn, burned and stamped (and the Parliament would be overjoyed since laws usually do not even come this far).

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* The ministers and [=MPs=] of the Floating Parliament in ''VideoGame/SunlessSkies'' still pass bills all the time, but no one does even care about them, especially not Her Renewed Majesty which had the Parliament severed from London, sending it drifting away at the ridge of Albion. Should you bring a new law to her, it will be torn, burned and stamped stomped (and the Parliament would be overjoyed since laws usually do not even come this far).
21st May '18 12:32:12 PM Jubileus57
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* The ministers and MPs of the Floating Parliament in ''VideoGame/SunlessSkies'' still pass bills all the time, but no one does even care about them, especially not Her Renewed Majesty which had the Parliament severed from London, sending it drifting away at the ridge of Albion. Should you bring a new law to her, it will be torn, burned and stamped (and the Parliament would be overjoyed since laws usually do not even come this far).

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* The ministers and MPs [=MPs=] of the Floating Parliament in ''VideoGame/SunlessSkies'' still pass bills all the time, but no one does even care about them, especially not Her Renewed Majesty which had the Parliament severed from London, sending it drifting away at the ridge of Albion. Should you bring a new law to her, it will be torn, burned and stamped (and the Parliament would be overjoyed since laws usually do not even come this far).
21st May '18 12:31:49 PM Jubileus57
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* The ministers and MPs of the Floating Parliament in ''VideoGame/SunlessSkies'' still pass bills all the time, but no one does even care about them, especially not Her Renewed Majesty which had the Parliament severed from London, sending it drifting away at the ridge of Albion. Should you bring a new law to her, it will be torn, burned and stamped (and the Parliament would be overjoyed since laws usually do not even come this far).
18th May '18 3:48:38 PM DaibhidC
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** Downplayed with the Archchancellor of Unseen University, who is definitely in charge of the college (once the squabbling has died down), but whose claim to be the leader of ''all'' wizards is a bit more iffy, given that many wizards from outside the Ankh-Morpork area have never even heard of him, and would be unlikely to be led if they had. It's a plot point in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', and even more so in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' that Ridcully believes he should have the authority to stop other {Wizarding School}}s calling their top man "Archchancellor", or at least insisting on a small "a".

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** Downplayed with the Archchancellor of Unseen University, who is definitely in charge of the college (once the squabbling has died down), but whose claim to be the leader of ''all'' wizards is a bit more iffy, given that many wizards from outside the Ankh-Morpork area have never even heard of him, and would be unlikely to be led if they had. It's a plot point in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', and even more so in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'', that Ridcully believes he should have the authority to stop other {Wizarding {{Wizarding School}}s calling their top man "Archchancellor", or at least insisting on a small "a".
18th May '18 3:48:13 PM DaibhidC
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* In ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'', Pteppic may be the ruler of Djelhibeybi, but all real authority lies with Dios, the High Priest. Every time Pteppic tries to use his alleged authority, everyone ignores him and waits for Dios to declare what the pharaoh's decision is (Which usually has absolutely nothing to do with what Pteppic had said). He can't even choose a dinner menu without the High Priest casually overruling him in the name of tradition.

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In ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'', Pteppic may be the ruler of Djelhibeybi, but all real authority lies with Dios, the High Priest. Every time Pteppic tries to use his alleged authority, everyone ignores him and waits for Dios to declare what the pharaoh's decision is (Which usually has absolutely nothing to do with what Pteppic had said). He can't even choose a dinner menu without the High Priest casually overruling him in the name of tradition.tradition.
** This is why Astfgl gets "promoted" from Demon King to Life President of Hell in ''Discworld/{{Eric}}''. He is completely unaware of this, but vaguely concerned that there doesn't seem to be anyone on the other end of his speaking tube.
** Downplayed with the Archchancellor of Unseen University, who is definitely in charge of the college (once the squabbling has died down), but whose claim to be the leader of ''all'' wizards is a bit more iffy, given that many wizards from outside the Ankh-Morpork area have never even heard of him, and would be unlikely to be led if they had. It's a plot point in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', and even more so in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' that Ridcully believes he should have the authority to stop other {Wizarding School}}s calling their top man "Archchancellor", or at least insisting on a small "a".
18th May '18 12:15:08 AM TheNerevarine
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* When Aslam Maskhadov was elected as President of Chechnya following [[UsefulNotes/TheChechnyaWars First Chechen War]], his authority was undermined by his field commanders who had turned into warlords and held the real power and influence in the country. By the time of the Second Chechen War happened, Maskhadov was just one of the many warlords with their own militias and they wouldn't answer to anyone but themselves individually.

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* When Aslam Maskhadov was elected as President of Chechnya following the [[UsefulNotes/TheChechnyaWars First Chechen War]], his authority was undermined by his field commanders who had turned into warlords and held the real power and influence in the country. By the time of the Second Chechen War happened, Maskhadov was just one of the many warlords with their own militias and they wouldn't answer to anyone but themselves individually.
18th May '18 12:14:18 AM TheNerevarine
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* When Aslam Maskhadov was elected as President of Chechnya following [[UsefulNotes/TheChechnyaWars First Chechen War]], his authority was undermined by his field commanders who had turned into warlords and held the real power and influence in the country. By the time of the Second Chechen War happened, Maskhadov was just one of the many warlords with their own militias and they wouldn't answer to anyone but themselves individually.
17th May '18 12:36:10 PM RedScharlach
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Another important point about your average one of these - as long as you don't do anything to shake their delusions of authority too badly, they'll be so busy enjoying said delusions of authority that you can put them through all sorts of mistreatment real people wouldn't even begin to take. So even if nobody likes them, they can be useful to have around as sort of a idiocy sink (like a heat or {{hate sink}}, but for stupidity).

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Another important point about your average one of these - these: as long as you don't do anything to shake their delusions of authority too badly, they'll be so busy enjoying said delusions of authority that you can put them through all sorts of mistreatment that real people wouldn't even begin to take. So even if nobody likes them, they can be useful to have around as a sort of a idiocy sink (like a heat or {{hate sink}}, but for stupidity).



* At the beginning of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', Jack Atlas was known as the King of the Riding Duels. He didn't know that his title meant nothing. He was a puppet being manipulated by [[BigBad Rex Godwin]] to entertain the people of Neo Domino and maintain the illusion of a utopia, and a lot of his victories, like the one against Dragan, were rigged without him knowing. Bommer even called him out on this during the Fortune Cup, calling him a "poor king" (and when Jack tried to hit him for the insult, knocked the punch aside as if he didn't care). (In Jack's defense, after Godwin's fall, he would later prove during the WRGP that he was capable of defeating Dragan in a fair duel when the two faced each other again. Although, to be honest, this was after Jack had aquired Burning Soul, an ability he didn't have the first time.)

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* At the beginning of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', Jack Atlas was known as the King of the Riding Duels. He didn't know that his title meant nothing. He was a puppet being manipulated by [[BigBad Rex Godwin]] to entertain the people of Neo Domino and maintain the illusion of a utopia, and a lot of his victories, like the one against Dragan, were rigged without him knowing. Bommer even called him out on this during the Fortune Cup, calling him a "poor king" (and when Jack tried to hit him for the insult, knocked the punch aside as if he didn't care). (In Jack's defense, after Godwin's fall, he would later prove during the WRGP that he was capable of defeating Dragan in a fair duel when the two faced each other again. Although, to be honest, this was after Jack had aquired acquired Burning Soul, an ability he didn't have the first time.)



** In ''Literature/TheElenium'', the King of the Rendors is so ineffective that most of the other heads of state in the region can't even be bothered to learn what the man's name is. Prince Regent Avin Wargunson of Thalesia was almost as bad (He was too annoying for people to forget his existence, but nobody really obeyed any of his commands). The ultimate sign of how well regarded Avin was came when he was drowned in a barrel of wine and the people mourned the fact that it was a vintage year.

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** In ''Literature/TheElenium'', the King of the Rendors is so ineffective that most of the other heads of state in the region can't even be bothered to learn what the man's name is. Prince Regent Avin Wargunson of Thalesia was almost as bad (He (he was too annoying for people to forget his existence, but nobody really obeyed any of his commands). The ultimate sign of how well regarded Avin was came when he was drowned in a barrel of wine and the people mourned the fact that it was a vintage year.



* ''Series/RedDwarf'' Arnold Rimmer is the highest ranking crewmember remaining on the ship after the accident, despite [[VirtualGhost being dead]]. Lister doesn't take him particularly seriously and didn't even when the ship still had a crew to speak of -though he did try and qualify as ship's cook so he'd outrank Rimmer on paper, mostly just to piss him off- and the others aren't in the chain of command anyway. [[Literature/RedDwarf The books]] make a point of establishing that nobody else took Rimmer's alleged authority all that seriously either; he was a glorified janitor with delusions of grandeur and more ambition than competence.

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* ''Series/RedDwarf'' Arnold Rimmer is the highest ranking crewmember remaining on the ship after the accident, despite [[VirtualGhost being dead]]. Lister doesn't take him particularly seriously and didn't even when the ship still had a crew to speak of -though -- though he did try and qualify as ship's cook so he'd outrank Rimmer on paper, mostly just to piss him off- off -- and the others aren't in the chain of command anyway. [[Literature/RedDwarf The books]] make a point of establishing that nobody else took Rimmer's alleged authority all that seriously either; he was a glorified janitor with delusions of grandeur and more ambition than competence.



* Wrestling/StevieRichards as the self proclaimed general manager of Sunday Night Heat, ahem, Stevie Night Heat and owner of Stevie Corp.

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* Wrestling/StevieRichards as the self proclaimed self-proclaimed general manager of Sunday Night Heat, ahem, Stevie Night Heat and owner of Stevie Corp.
16th May '18 7:35:45 AM Viira
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** The Warden in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' starts out this way. Thanks to a KlingonPromotion, they are technically the Warden-Commander of all of Ferelden... but there's only one other Grey Warden ''in'' Ferelden, and the Warden is only in charge because the other guy doesn't want the job. Even so, being a Grey Warden is normally enough by itself to grant a person a certain amount of clout and respect - but the problem is that in Ferelden, the king has been killed and the bad guy is spreading the word that the Wardens are the ones who did it. Over the course of the game, the Warden has to spread his/her influence sufficiently and gather allies in order to transition from this trope to AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
** In''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', Viscount Dumar should be the most powerful man in Kirkwall, but the word on the street pretty much says Knight-Commander Meredith's the one with the real power. And all around him, extremist clerics, taciturn Qunari and who knows what else threatens his already delicate rule of the powder keg that is Kirkwall and he is unable to do anything about the problems that crop up except to turn to you. A shame, really, since he's the one of the {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s in the blighted place.
*** Grand Cleric Elthina is played up as being a majorly respected power and master of negotiation, but in practice nobody seems to listen to her and she in fact has very little control over what her own clerics do. If pressed on the matter she'll flat-out admit that she doesn't actually have as much direct authority as people think, but in practice her very resignation to that fact has reduced her to a figurehead who refuses to use any authority at all.

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** The Warden in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' starts out this way. Thanks to a KlingonPromotion, YouAreInCommandNow, they are technically the Warden-Commander of all of Ferelden... but there's only one other Grey Warden ''in'' in Ferelden, and the Warden is only in charge because the other guy doesn't want the job. Even so, being a Grey Warden is normally enough by itself to grant a person a certain amount of clout and respect - but the problem is that in Ferelden, the king has been killed and the bad guy is spreading the word that the Wardens are the ones who did it. Over the course of the game, the Warden has to spread his/her their influence sufficiently and gather allies in order to transition from this trope to AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
** In''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', Viscount Dumar should be the most powerful man in Kirkwall, but the word on the street pretty much says Knight-Commander Meredith's the one with the real power. And all around him, extremist clerics, taciturn Qunari and who knows what else threatens his already delicate rule of the powder keg that is Kirkwall and he is unable to do anything about the problems that crop up except to turn to you. A shame, really, since he's the one of the {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s in the blighted place.
*** ** Grand Cleric Elthina is played up as being a majorly respected power and master of negotiation, but in practice nobody seems to listen to her and she in fact has very little control over what her own clerics do. If pressed on the matter she'll flat-out admit that she doesn't actually have as much direct authority as people think, but in practice her very resignation to that fact has reduced her to a figurehead who refuses to use any authority at all.
8th Apr '18 12:19:35 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** Grand Cleric Elthina is played up as being a majorly respected power and master of negotiation, but in practice nobody seems to listen to her and she in fact has very little control over what her own clerics do.

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*** Grand Cleric Elthina is played up as being a majorly respected power and master of negotiation, but in practice nobody seems to listen to her and she in fact has very little control over what her own clerics do. If pressed on the matter she'll flat-out admit that she doesn't actually have as much direct authority as people think, but in practice her very resignation to that fact has reduced her to a figurehead who refuses to use any authority at all.
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