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4th Jun '18 1:41:01 PM Dragon101
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* Inverted by TripleH. His success in the ring has gone down sharply the more highly ranked in the company he becomes.

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* Inverted ZigZagged by TripleH. His success in the ring has gone down sharply the more highly ranked in the company he becomes.becomes, but he is still arguably one of the best wrestlers in the company and one of the few RealLife executives of a major multinational corporation who could legitimately be able to give and take a beating. His various kayfabe runs as the on-scree authority figure played this trope less or more straight depending on the era as well, and he's been a real life trusted confidant of Vince since the late 90s at the earliest, so he was an influential behind-the-scenes power player even in his wrestling prime.
26th Feb '18 7:06:31 AM StFan
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* The Pantheon/TropePantheon on Wiki/TVTropes determines rank based off this, ranging from Quasideity (normal civilian) to Overdeity (universe-level PhysicalGod[=\=]RealityWarper).



** In ''Film/KickAss2'' it is inverted and playing straight. It is playing straight at the "superheros" of "Justice Forever" because their leaders, Kick-Ass and Hit-Girl, are by far the strongest fighters among them. Likewise was Colonel-Stars-and-Stripes, the former leader of the strongest fighters among them.
*** With the "supervillains" of "Toxic Mega Cunts" but it is inverted. Red-Mist is a weak fighter and buys other criminals to fight for him. Probably could defeat him almost any of his followers in combat.

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** In ''Film/KickAss2'' it is inverted and playing straight. It is playing straight at the "superheros" of "Justice Forever" because their leaders, Kick-Ass and Hit-Girl, are by far the strongest fighters among them. Likewise was Colonel-Stars-and-Stripes, the former leader of the strongest fighters among them. \n*** With the "supervillains" of "Toxic Mega Cunts" but it is inverted. Red-Mist is a weak fighter and buys other criminals to fight for him. Probably could defeat him almost any of his followers in combat.



* ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'':
** Nick Fury, Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., jumps out of an out-of-control helicopter and shoots down a plane carrying a nuclear warhead with an unguided anti-vehicle rocket, among other things. His subordinates are not nearly as impressive, with some exceptions of course.
** Likewise, when ComicBook/CaptainAmerica orders police officers to get people to safety and set up a perimeter, they initially question why they should be taking orders from him... until he quickly disposes of some attackers right in front of them.
%%* General Hawk from ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra''.
* [[spoiler:Aldrich Killian]] in ''Film/IronMan3'' is the most dangerous foe to the title character, despite the fact that most of his {{Mook}}s are veteran soldiers who have been enhanced by the Extremis SuperSerum, while he himself was [[spoiler:a cripple until recently]]. Despite this, he survives what some of his Mooks don't. He can also [[spoiler:[[BreathWeapon breathe fire]]]].

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* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse:
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''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'':
** *** Nick Fury, Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., jumps out of an out-of-control helicopter and shoots down a plane carrying a nuclear warhead with an unguided anti-vehicle rocket, among other things. His subordinates are not nearly as impressive, with some exceptions of course.
** *** Likewise, when ComicBook/CaptainAmerica orders police officers to get people to safety and set up a perimeter, they initially question why they should be taking orders from him... until he quickly disposes of some attackers right in front of them.
%%* General Hawk from ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra''.
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** [[spoiler:Aldrich Killian]] in ''Film/IronMan3'' is the most dangerous foe to the title character, despite the fact that most of his {{Mook}}s are veteran soldiers who have been enhanced by the Extremis SuperSerum, while he himself was [[spoiler:a cripple until recently]]. Despite this, he survives what some of his Mooks don't. He can also [[spoiler:[[BreathWeapon breathe fire]]]].



* ''Starship Traveller,'' an interactive novel in the ''Literature/FightingFantasy'' series, has this in play. When in combat, non-security personnel have a penalty to their skill rating. The exception is you, the ship's captain. "Your own fighting skills are equal to your professional skills, as befits a true hero."

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* ''Starship Traveller,'' Traveller'', an interactive novel in the ''Literature/FightingFantasy'' series, has this in play. When in combat, non-security personnel have a penalty to their skill rating. The exception is you, the ship's captain. "Your own fighting skills are equal to your professional skills, as befits a true hero."



* Many of the kings and rulers in Myth/ClassicalMythology were themselves formidable warriors. One of the most famous examples is ''Literature/TheIliad'', where Idomeneus, Menelaus, Ajax, Diomedes, Agamemnon, Achilles, Patroclus, Odysseus, Philoctetes, Hector, in short almost all the major warriors are kings or princes of some sort.
* Zeus, king of the gods, is the most powerful of the Olympians. (It seemed to run in the family too; his father Chronos was the most powerful of the Titans, and their leader. Not to mention that most - well, pretty much all - of his sons were no slouches.)

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology:
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Many of the kings and rulers in Myth/ClassicalMythology were themselves formidable warriors. One of the most famous examples is ''Literature/TheIliad'', where Idomeneus, Menelaus, Ajax, Diomedes, Agamemnon, Achilles, Patroclus, Odysseus, Philoctetes, Hector, in short almost all the major warriors are kings or princes of some sort.
* ** Zeus, king of the gods, is the most powerful of the Olympians. (It seemed It seems to run in the family too; his father Chronos was the most powerful of the Titans, and their leader. Not to mention that most - -- well, pretty much all - -- of his sons were no slouches.)



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* ''Roleplay/DragonBallAfterTheEnd: {{Invoked}} amongst the Exiles, where only a Clans Lord, Scion(heir) and Patriarch/Matriarch is allowed to possess the Super Saiyan transformation, and more critically, only they know how to reach its full potential.
* ''Roleplay/ThereIsNoGATEWeDidNotFightThere'': Kytheus Rhavenfell's entire family tree, maternal and paternal. In particular, his grandfathers, Kryton and Aslan, are two of the most exceptional, and some might even argue the greatest, warriors ever known to the Empire, while serving as the Lord Exemplars of their domains.[[/folder]]

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* The TropePantheon on ThisVeryWiki determines rank based off this, ranging from Quasideity (normal civilian) to Overdeity (universe-level PhysicalGod[=\=]RealityWarper)..
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** The webcomic is a rare example of this rule being used by {{mad scientist}}s. Most of the Sparks that have appeared in the comic so far have proven to be quite competent fighters - part of this may be justified by them often having a DeathRay or two in their pockets, but even in unarmed close combat, several Sparks have demonstrated high levels of skill. [[OverlordJr Gilgamesh Wulfenbach]] demonstrated an ability to smack a BIG [[SuperSoldier Jäger]] around while injured (but [[BerserkButton flipped out]]). Baron Wulfenbach has also had action hero-level fighting skills, but that may be attributed to his past adventuring with the Heterodyne Boys. The Heterodyne Boys themselves may also, technically, be said to use this, seeing as they were the hereditary rulers of Mechanicsburg. Agatha "doesn't fence", but she's [[WrenchWhack quite the slugger]] with a 3/17 Occipital Left-Leaning Heterodyne Wrench. Or [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070629 any]] heavy [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110711 wrench]], for that matter.

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** The webcomic is a rare example of this rule being used by {{mad scientist}}s. Most of the Sparks that have appeared in the comic so far have proven to be quite competent fighters - -- part of this may be justified by them often having a DeathRay or two in their pockets, but even in unarmed close combat, several Sparks have demonstrated high levels of skill. [[OverlordJr Gilgamesh Wulfenbach]] demonstrated an ability to smack a BIG [[SuperSoldier Jäger]] around while injured (but [[BerserkButton flipped out]]). Baron Wulfenbach has also had action hero-level fighting skills, but that may be attributed to his past adventuring with the Heterodyne Boys. The Heterodyne Boys themselves may also, technically, be said to use this, seeing as they were the hereditary rulers of Mechanicsburg. Agatha "doesn't fence", but she's [[WrenchWhack quite the slugger]] with a 3/17 Occipital Left-Leaning Heterodyne Wrench. Or [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070629 any]] heavy [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110711 wrench]], for that matter.



* ''WebComic/DragonBallMultiverse'': U8 King Cold, who is inexplicably far more powerful than Cold as depicted in the original manga, is the strongest fighter in his universe.

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* ''WebComic/DragonBallMultiverse'': ''Webcomic/DragonBallMultiverse'': U8 King Cold, who is inexplicably far more powerful than Cold as depicted in the original manga, is the strongest fighter in his universe.



* ''Roleplay/DragonBallAfterTheEnd: {{Invoked}} amongst the Exiles, where only a Clans Lord, Scion(heir) and Patriarch/Matriarch is allowed to possess the Super Saiyan transformation, and more critically, only they know how to reach its full potential.
* ''Roleplay/ThereIsNoGATEWeDidNotFightThere'': Kytheus Rhavenfell's entire family tree, maternal and paternal. In particular, his grandfathers, Kryton and Aslan, are two of the most exceptional, and some might even argue the greatest, warriors ever known to the Empire, while serving as the Lord Exemplars of their domains.



* In the [[http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=118771 Armageddon]] web-novels, this is how both Hell and Heaven operate - rank and power are equal, with Satan and Yahweh being on the top of the heap. When Michael managed to kill Yahweh with the assistance of his conspiracy, he not only increased in power, he gained the ability to confer power on other angels.

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* In the [[http://bbs.''[[http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=118771 Armageddon]] Armageddon]]'' web-novels, this is how both Hell and Heaven operate - -- rank and power are equal, with Satan and Yahweh being on the top of the heap. When Michael managed to kill Yahweh with the assistance of his conspiracy, he not only increased in power, he gained the ability to confer power on other angels.



* Lord Opticord in ''Film/{{Sockbaby}}''.

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* %%* Lord Opticord in ''Film/{{Sockbaby}}''.



* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor''
** Numbuh 362, the [[{{Leader}} Supreme Leader]] of the Kids Next Door organization, was a top stealth agent before she took command, and she can still kick a very respectable amount of ass when the need arises. This was [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome memorably demonstrated]] in the episode "Operation: I.T." where she [[spoiler:ate her way through a wall of broccoli to take on [[BigBad Father]] and made him break down in tears by threatening to force-feed him the dreaded vegetable]]. Also, in ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO'' she held her own against a senior-citizombified Numbuh 60. And, just to underline the trope, she is eventually succeeded as Supreme Leader by [[spoiler:Numbuh Five]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor''
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''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'': Numbuh 362, the [[{{Leader}} Supreme Leader]] of the Kids Next Door organization, was a top stealth agent before she took command, and she can still kick a very respectable amount of ass when the need arises. This was [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome memorably demonstrated]] in the episode "Operation: I.T." where she [[spoiler:ate her way through a wall of broccoli to take on [[BigBad Father]] and made him break down in tears by threatening to force-feed him the dreaded vegetable]]. Also, in ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO'' she held her own against a senior-citizombified Numbuh 60. And, just to underline the trope, she is eventually succeeded as Supreme Leader by [[spoiler:Numbuh Five]].



* In ''[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Gargoyles Gargoyles]]'' Goliath is the leader of his clan, and also their strongest fighter. Whether all clans play it straight, but it is unknown.

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* In ''[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Gargoyles Gargoyles]]'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' Goliath is the leader of his clan, and also their strongest fighter. Whether all clans play it straight, but it is unknown.
2nd Feb '18 5:02:55 AM obhave
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Of course, in the modern real world, no such correlation exists in political or business hierarchies. An entry-level clerk is just as likely as a CEO to be good at fighting, since fighting has absolutely nothing to do with either person's job role.

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Of course, in the modern day real world, life, no such correlation exists in for political or business hierarchies. An entry-level clerk is just as likely as a CEO to be good at fighting, since fighting has absolutely nothing to do with either person's job role.
2nd Feb '18 5:01:22 AM obhave
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Of course, in the real world, no such correlation exists today for political or business hierarchies. An entry-level clerk is just as likely as a CEO to be good at fighting, since fighting has absolutely nothing to do with either person's job role.

In modern military hierarchies, however, we see a strong correlation in the ''opposite'' direction. During combat, the lowest ranking soldiers (private, corporal, sergeant) obviously need a lot of fighting-related skills. And the main role of the middle ranks (lieutenant, captain) during combat is to manage their subordinates and communicate with their higher-ups, but since they're on the ground and in the thick of it, they need to know how to shoot. But once an officer reaches the highest ranks (major, colonel, general), then no one is going to care how accurately he can shoot or how well he can subdue an enemy in hand-to-hand combat. At that point, both his job and his education are going to be entirely focused on large-scale planning, strategy, and management. And in the rare event that he controls a battle, it's going to be a huge battle that he controls from very far away. This means that the vast majority of colonels and generals have not done any combat training for several decades. There are a few rare exceptions, who choose to do combat training in their spare time, but high ranking officers are extremely busy people, and they just don't have enough time to be as good as the grunts. Also, they tend to be a lot older than the grunts, which puts them at an even greater disadvantage.

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Of course, in the modern real world, no such correlation exists today for in political or business hierarchies. An entry-level clerk is just as likely as a CEO to be good at fighting, since fighting has absolutely nothing to do with either person's job role.

In modern military hierarchies, however, we see a strong correlation in the ''opposite'' direction. During combat, the lowest ranking soldiers (private, corporal, sergeant) obviously need a lot of fighting-related skills. And the main role of the middle ranks (lieutenant, captain) during combat is to manage their subordinates and communicate with their higher-ups, but since they're on the ground and in the thick of it, they also need to know how to shoot. But once an officer reaches the highest ranks (major, colonel, general), then no one is going to care how accurately he can shoot or how well he can subdue an enemy in hand-to-hand combat. At that point, both his job and his education are going to be entirely focused on large-scale planning, strategy, and management. And in the rare event that he actually controls a battle, it's going to be a huge battle that he controls from very far away. This means that the vast majority of colonels and generals have not done any combat training for several decades. There are a few rare exceptions, who choose to do combat training in their spare time, but high ranking officers are extremely busy people, and they just don't have enough time to be as good as the grunts. Also, they tend to be a lot older than the grunts, which puts them at an even greater disadvantage.
28th Jan '18 3:39:42 AM lillolillo
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' fic ''Fanfic/HellsisterTrilogy'':
** Mordru leads the Legion of Super-Villains and has the allegiance of Satan Girl and powerhouses like Black Adam because he can destroy any of them easily.
** Darkseid declares himself leader of the alliance of villains after one-shooting Brainiac. No one, not even Lex Luthor, is brave or stupid enough to object.
10th Jan '18 4:49:42 PM AjWargo
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* It's easy to forget this, but ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'' is the son of a king, which means he's a prince. And you only have to watch one episode to see that this guy is one heck of a fighter.
8th Jan '18 12:58:57 AM Kytseo
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* The TropePantheon on ThisVeryWiki determines rank based off this, ranging from Quasideity (normal civilian) to Overdeity (universe-level PhysicalGod[=\=]RealityWarper)..
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1st Jan '18 1:46:13 PM CG-Druid
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* In the German booklets series ''Maddrax'' there are creatures called taratzes. They are huge, mutant rats, the talk and walk upright (there is a certain similarity to the skaves of ''Warhammer''). A taratze is bigger, stronger, faster and tougher than a human, and can be defeated by a BadassNormal at best, if at all. But taratzes are not very intelligent, compared with humans.
** However, there is playing straight with taratze-kings. These are namely still bigger and stronger than ordinary taratzes, and have very often a bright or even white fur. And unlike ordinary taratzes they are as smart as humans, or even more shrewd. This makes them to very dangerous enemies, and they lead a pack of taratzes often.
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23rd Dec '17 11:18:54 AM nombretomado
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* In TheAmericanCivilWar, Confederate cavalry general Nathan Bedford Forrest was distinguished for his skills as a warrior as much as he was for his leadership. Throughout the course of the war, he was wounded numerous times and killed more then 30 Union soldiers in combat. He also killed one of his own officers in self defense, Lt. A. Wills Gould, after the two of them got into a heated exchange over a transfer order that Forrest had signed. Gould pulled his revolver and shot Forrest, but Forrest still managed to draw his knife and stab Gould to death after being shot.

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* In TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, Confederate cavalry general Nathan Bedford Forrest was distinguished for his skills as a warrior as much as he was for his leadership. Throughout the course of the war, he was wounded numerous times and killed more then 30 Union soldiers in combat. He also killed one of his own officers in self defense, Lt. A. Wills Gould, after the two of them got into a heated exchange over a transfer order that Forrest had signed. Gould pulled his revolver and shot Forrest, but Forrest still managed to draw his knife and stab Gould to death after being shot.
29th Nov '17 2:58:18 PM Theriocephalus
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The AlmightyJanitor is an [[InvertedTrope inversion]], who is far more powerful than his lowly rank would imply. The DeskJockey is a different [[InvertedTrope inversion]], who has been promoted out of the field into authority. Compare YouCanBarelyStand. See also FourStarBadass, LargeAndInCharge, ShopliftAndDie, RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething, and FixedRelativeStrength. Sometimes a sister trope to RiskingTheKing. May be the result of the ConservationOfNinjutsu.

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The AlmightyJanitor is an [[InvertedTrope inversion]], Inversions]] include the AlmightyJanitor, who is far more powerful than his lowly rank would imply. The DeskJockey is a different [[InvertedTrope inversion]], imply; StrongEmpireShriveledEmperor, when the leader of the pack turns out to be its weakest and frailest member; and the DeskJockey, who has been promoted out of the field into authority. Compare YouCanBarelyStand. See also FourStarBadass, LargeAndInCharge, ShopliftAndDie, RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething, and FixedRelativeStrength. Sometimes a sister trope to RiskingTheKing. May be the result of the ConservationOfNinjutsu.
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