History Main / AsianRudeness

10th Mar '18 9:14:03 PM WillBGood
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While often PlayedForLaughs (with ValuesDissonance all too often a part of such homor), this can be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]]. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.

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While often Often PlayedForLaughs (with ValuesDissonance UnfortunateImplications all too often a part of such homor), this humor), but can also be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]].cultures. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.
10th Mar '18 9:11:56 PM WillBGood
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While often PlayedForLaughs (with ValuesDissonace all too often a part of such homor), this can be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]]. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.

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While often PlayedForLaughs (with ValuesDissonace ValuesDissonance all too often a part of such homor), this can be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]]. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.
10th Mar '18 9:11:46 PM WillBGood
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While often played for [[ValuesDissonance inappropriate laughs]], this can be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]]. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.

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While often played for [[ValuesDissonance inappropriate laughs]], PlayedForLaughs (with ValuesDissonace all too often a part of such homor), this can be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]]. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.
10th Mar '18 9:09:09 PM WillBGood
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To some Western sensibilities, some Asiatic cultures have a reputation for rudeness. They talk loudly and sharply, and come across as bossy and impatient-- usually when addressing their social inferiors. This is a relatively recent development-- during the Imperial Era China was referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). The Communist revolution viewed these rules as "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.

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To some Western sensibilities, some Westerners, Asiatic cultures have a reputation for rudeness. They talk loudly and sharply, and come across as bossy and impatient-- usually when addressing their social inferiors.impatient. This is a relatively recent development-- during the Imperial Era China was referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). The Communist revolution viewed these rules as "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.



Some of the phenomenon of perceived "rudeness" is a massive CrossCulturalKerfuffle-- essentially, the way various Asiatic peoples converse can be an unfortunate result of applying the tone and meter of their own languages to languages where that kind of speaking is the way rude people talk, i.e. tonal languages vilified as rude or uncouth. Differing cultural notions of what is rude and what isn't don't help; [[http://www.beijing-visitor.com/index.php?cID=412&pID=1082 Chinese Etiquette]] can be as foreign as the language, and might even be confused for being an EtiquetteNazi.

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Some of the phenomenon of perceived "rudeness" is a massive CrossCulturalKerfuffle-- essentially, the way various Asiatic peoples converse can be essentially an unfortunate result of applying the tone and meter of their own the native Asian languages to languages where that kind of speaking is the way rude people talk, i.e. tonal languages vilified as rude or uncouth. Differing cultural notions of what is rude and what isn't don't help; [[http://www.beijing-visitor.com/index.php?cID=412&pID=1082 Chinese Etiquette]] can be as foreign as the language, and might even be confused for being make one come off as an EtiquetteNazi.
10th Mar '18 9:06:59 PM WillBGood
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To Anglo -- and particularly British -- sensibilities, some Asiatic cultures have a reputation for rudeness. Of course, this is because to reality, Anglo/British cultures are some of the most racist, doing, for example, things like racial segregation.

This incredibly racist trope plays on either actual manners of people from or in Asia to not insult someone to their face or basically Southern Politeness,but done by people of Asian descent and then throws a thicker than marble layer of 19th Century"evil, [InscrutableOriental duplicitous], S*uinty-eyed Ch*nk" on it, because if someone is something not white, racism holds that that is at least part of what makes them bad.

The Chinese in particular can "seem" (be targeted alleged as) very impolite to racists. The following is how racists "see" (justify) "Asians as rude" (their racism towards Asians when called out).

They talk loudly and sharply, and come across as bossy and impatient -- usually when addressing their social inferiors. This is because China's socio-economic situation (i.e. many citizens live in abject poverty, but there are a lot of Nouveau Riche bastards) means that wage-slaves like waiters and clerks can be and often are treated like dirt.

It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the influx of opium that ultimately lead to the First Opium War, which, it must be noted, was a result of
[[TheAgressiveDrugDealer Britain unloading Opium onto China after outlawing it]], and then giving China hell for using the drug they got China into, and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, that China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence, invasions, and/or political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.

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To Anglo -- and particularly British -- some Western sensibilities, some Asiatic cultures have a reputation for rudeness. Of course, this is because to reality, Anglo/British cultures are some of the most racist, doing, for example, things like racial segregation.

This incredibly racist trope plays on either actual manners of people from or in Asia to not insult someone to their face or basically Southern Politeness,but done by people of Asian descent and then throws a thicker than marble layer of 19th Century"evil, [InscrutableOriental duplicitous], S*uinty-eyed Ch*nk" on it, because if someone is something not white, racism holds that that is at least part of what makes them bad.

The Chinese in particular can "seem" (be targeted alleged as) very impolite to racists. The following is how racists "see" (justify) "Asians as rude" (their racism towards Asians when called out).

They talk loudly and sharply, and come across as bossy and impatient -- impatient-- usually when addressing their social inferiors. This is because China's socio-economic situation (i.e. many citizens live in abject poverty, but there are a lot of Nouveau Riche bastards) means that wage-slaves like waiters and clerks can be and often are treated like dirt.

It is interesting to note that this is
a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality development-- during the Imperial Era, even being Era China was referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the influx of opium that ultimately lead to the First Opium War, which, it must be noted, was a result of
[[TheAgressiveDrugDealer Britain unloading Opium onto China after outlawing it]], and then giving China hell for using the drug they got China into, and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, that China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence, invasions, and/or political chaos]].
The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they Communist revolution viewed them these rules as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result. result.



In addition, one could say that this phenomenon of perceived "rudeness" is [[ValuesDissonance a big culture-clash]]. It's not to say that there aren't genuine assholes among the peoples of Asia -- there are ''plenty'' -- but more often than not, a 'rude' Asiatic is not genuinely such.

Essentially, the way various Asiatic peoples converse -- i.e. "rudely" -- is mainly an unfortunate result of applying the tone and meter of their own languages to languages where that kind of speaking is the way rude people talk.

I.e., tonal languages=villified as rude or uncouth.

For another thing, it's a matter of differing cultural notions of what is rude and what isn't. [[http://www.beijing-visitor.com/index.php?cID=412&pID=1082 Chinese Etiquette]] can be as foreign as the language, and might even be confused for being an EtiquetteNazi.

While usually PlayedForLaughs in fiction because the author is racist, this can even be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants, [[TruthInTelevision who get the confusion of growing up among these clashing cultures]].

Another note is that the reason people from other countries may not tip at restaurants, and it's probably not only Asians, but it's still cool to be racist as long as the target is Asians, is that the American custom of tipping came about so that restaurants could justify paying their waitstaff far below minimum/a living wage, and, through tipping, pass the act of paying their workers directly onto the customer. While not every country has a minimum wage law, such as Japan, such behaviour by a business would be suicide for said business. However, this changes along with many other things in a race to emulate America because the army that continues to occupy Japan continues to push an "America=white, America=right" attitude, and the majority of the opposing viewpoint embraces warmongering and xenophobia/dehumanisation against Korea(ns) and China/Chinese people, to say the least. There is current push for a fixed minimum wage law as of 2017, and we may see subversions, such as that which ushered in the custom of tipping in America, in Japan, at least.

Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.

FrenchJerk is a common Occidental equivalent.

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In addition, one could say that this Some of the phenomenon of perceived "rudeness" is [[ValuesDissonance a big culture-clash]]. It's not to say that there aren't genuine assholes among the peoples of Asia -- there are ''plenty'' -- but more often than not, a 'rude' Asiatic is not genuinely such.

Essentially,
massive CrossCulturalKerfuffle-- essentially, the way various Asiatic peoples converse -- can be an unfortunate result of applying the tone and meter of their own languages to languages where that kind of speaking is the way rude people talk, i.e. "rudely" -- is mainly an unfortunate result of applying the tone and meter of their own tonal languages to languages where that kind of speaking is the way rude people talk.

I.e., tonal languages=villified
vilified as rude or uncouth.

For another thing, it's a matter of differing
uncouth. Differing cultural notions of what is rude and what isn't. isn't don't help; [[http://www.beijing-visitor.com/index.php?cID=412&pID=1082 Chinese Etiquette]] can be as foreign as the language, and might even be confused for being an EtiquetteNazi.

While usually PlayedForLaughs in fiction because the author is racist, often played for [[ValuesDissonance inappropriate laughs]], this can even be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants, immigrants [[TruthInTelevision who get the confusion of have to deal with growing up among these clashing cultures]].

Another note is that the reason people from other countries may not tip at restaurants, and it's probably not only Asians, but it's still cool to be racist as long as the target is Asians, is that the American custom of tipping came about so that restaurants could justify paying their waitstaff far below minimum/a living wage, and, through tipping, pass the act of paying their workers directly onto the customer. While not every country has a minimum wage law, such as Japan, such behaviour by a business would be suicide for said business. However, this changes along with many other things in a race to emulate America because the army that continues to occupy Japan continues to push an "America=white, America=right" attitude, and the majority of the opposing viewpoint embraces warmongering and xenophobia/dehumanisation against Korea(ns) and China/Chinese people, to say the least. There is current push for a fixed minimum wage law as of 2017, and we may see subversions, such as that which ushered in the custom of tipping in America, in Japan, at least.

cultures]]. Might even cause StopBeingStereotypical. Can also overlap with AsianStoreOwner as well as with ArrogantKungFuGuy, or (in Japanese media) {{Bokukko}}.

FrenchJerk is a common Occidental Western equivalent.




Of course, InscrutableOriental is the backbone of this trope, and also originated in the 19th Century, both likely to develop some sort of justification for barring certain races/ethnicities, Japanese and Chinese, from immigrating or being citizens even if born in the United States, which has almost always in the course of its existence, allowed birthright citizenship for white people, the Exclusion Acts entirely based on race and not lifted until 1965.
10th Mar '18 5:13:29 PM chairdesklamp
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To Anglo -- and particularly British -- sensibilities, some Asiatic cultures have a reputation for rudeness.

The Chinese in particular can seem very impolite. They talk loudly and sharply, and come across as bossy and impatient -- usually when addressing their social inferiors. This is because China's socio-economic situation (i.e. many citizens live in abject poverty, but there are a lot of Nouveau Riche bastards) means that wage-slaves like waiters and clerks can be and often are treated like dirt.

It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the influx of opium that ultimately lead to the First Opium War and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence, invasions, and/or political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.

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To Anglo -- and particularly British -- sensibilities, some Asiatic cultures have a reputation for rudeness. Of course, this is because to reality, Anglo/British cultures are some of the most racist, doing, for example, things like racial segregation.

This incredibly racist trope plays on either actual manners of people from or in Asia to not insult someone to their face or basically Southern Politeness,but done by people of Asian descent and then throws a thicker than marble layer of 19th Century"evil, [InscrutableOriental duplicitous], S*uinty-eyed Ch*nk" on it, because if someone is something not white, racism holds that that is at least part of what makes them bad.

The Chinese in particular can seem "seem" (be targeted alleged as) very impolite.impolite to racists. The following is how racists "see" (justify) "Asians as rude" (their racism towards Asians when called out).

They talk loudly and sharply, and come across as bossy and impatient -- usually when addressing their social inferiors. This is because China's socio-economic situation (i.e. many citizens live in abject poverty, but there are a lot of Nouveau Riche bastards) means that wage-slaves like waiters and clerks can be and often are treated like dirt.

It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the influx of opium that ultimately lead to the First Opium War War, which, it must be noted, was a result of
[[TheAgressiveDrugDealer Britain unloading Opium onto China after outlawing it]], and then giving China hell for using the drug they got China into,
and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, Massacre in 1989, that China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence, invasions, and/or political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.



I.e., tonal languages=villified as rude or uncouth.



While usually PlayedForLaughs in fiction, this can even be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants, [[TruthInTelevision who get the confusion of growing up among these clashing cultures]].

to:

While usually PlayedForLaughs in fiction, fiction because the author is racist, this can even be PlayedForDrama, especially among children of Asian immigrants, [[TruthInTelevision who get the confusion of growing up among these clashing cultures]].
cultures]].

Another note is that the reason people from other countries may not tip at restaurants, and it's probably not only Asians, but it's still cool to be racist as long as the target is Asians, is that the American custom of tipping came about so that restaurants could justify paying their waitstaff far below minimum/a living wage, and, through tipping, pass the act of paying their workers directly onto the customer. While not every country has a minimum wage law, such as Japan, such behaviour by a business would be suicide for said business. However, this changes along with many other things in a race to emulate America because the army that continues to occupy Japan continues to push an "America=white, America=right" attitude, and the majority of the opposing viewpoint embraces warmongering and xenophobia/dehumanisation against Korea(ns) and China/Chinese people, to say the least. There is current push for a fixed minimum wage law as of 2017, and we may see subversions, such as that which ushered in the custom of tipping in America, in Japan, at least.


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Of course, InscrutableOriental is the backbone of this trope, and also originated in the 19th Century, both likely to develop some sort of justification for barring certain races/ethnicities, Japanese and Chinese, from immigrating or being citizens even if born in the United States, which has almost always in the course of its existence, allowed birthright citizenship for white people, the Exclusion Acts entirely based on race and not lifted until 1965.
9th Dec '17 10:55:13 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''TabletopGames/NinjasAndSuperspies'' by Creator/PalladiumBooks includes a section in the back detailing how people in Asian countries will be rude and racist toward Westerners.

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* ''TabletopGames/NinjasAndSuperspies'' by Creator/PalladiumBooks includes a section in the back detailing how people in Asian countries will be rude and racist toward Westerners. One wonders if the author Erick Wujcik had a bad experience on vacation.
9th Dec '17 10:51:12 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** The line is reused in one ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' [[http://robotchicken.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man%27s_Coming skit]] where ComicBook/IronMan's metal-ness marching through metal tunnels has clearly worn [[YellowPeril The Mandarin]]'s patience thin.


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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'': [[http://robotchicken.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man%27s_Coming One skit]] has ComicBook/IronMan's metal-ness marching through metal tunnels and has clearly worn [[YellowPeril The Mandarin]]'s patience thin.
12th Sep '17 7:02:28 AM shonengirl
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It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the first Opium War and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence and political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.

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It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the first influx of opium that ultimately lead to the First Opium War and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence and violence, invasions, and/or political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.
12th Sep '17 6:57:36 AM shonengirl
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It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the first Opium War and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumeCongaLine of almost non-stop violence and political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.

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It is interesting to note that this is a relatively recent development -- the Chinese were known for their strictness, hierarchy, and rule of morality during the Imperial Era, even being referred to as the "land of ceremony and etiquette" (ideals which were exported to, and can still be found in, neighboring Korea and Japan, as well as certain overseas Chinese communities). Beginning with the first Opium War and ending with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, China has undergone [[TraumaCongaLine a brutal history of over]] ''[[TraumaCongaLine 150 years]]'' [[TraumeCongaLine [[TraumaCongaLine of almost non-stop violence and political chaos]]. The communists in China told the Chinese to abandon good manners and civilized behaviors because they viewed them as the "bourgeois capitalist traits", and thus this trope was born as a result.
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