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13th Jan '18 7:31:43 PM erforce
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** Of the three major Marvel franchises still held by outside studios, Fox's ''Film/XMen'' has most successfully avoided the need for an ashcan installment. While the quality of the films has been uneven (from the high of ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' to the low of ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''), their release schedules have been steady, the budgets have all been what one would expect for a major theatrical release, and the latest installment, ''Film/{{Logan}}'', was a massive critical and box office success.

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** Of the three major Marvel franchises still held by outside studios, Fox's ''Film/XMen'' ''Film/XMenFilmSeries '' has most successfully avoided the need for an ashcan installment. While the quality of the films has been uneven (from the high of ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' to the low of ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''), their release schedules have been steady, the budgets have all been what one would expect for a major theatrical release, and the latest installment, ''Film/{{Logan}}'', was a massive critical and box office success.
5th Jan '18 12:25:15 PM BURGINABC
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** Of the three major Marvel franchises still held by outside studios, Fox's ''Film/XMen'' has most successfully averted the need for an ashcan installment. While the quality of the films has been uneven (from the high of ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' to the low of ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''), their release schedules have been steady, the budgets have all been what one would expect for a major theatrical release, and the latest installment, ''Film/{{Logan}}'', was a massive critical and box office success.

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** Of the three major Marvel franchises still held by outside studios, Fox's ''Film/XMen'' has most successfully averted avoided the need for an ashcan installment. While the quality of the films has been uneven (from the high of ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' to the low of ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''), their release schedules have been steady, the budgets have all been what one would expect for a major theatrical release, and the latest installment, ''Film/{{Logan}}'', was a massive critical and box office success.
2nd Jan '18 2:26:30 PM QuizzicalPieridine
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** The 2015 movie, infamously dubbed ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'', didn't fare any better, as it was rushed out to meet yet another deadline for Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox to produce a film (following the underperformance of ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer]]'') or see the characters revert to Marvel. Fox's main concern was not only the potential lost revenue from (higher quality) future releases but also the fact that it would strengthen one of their direct competitors. This cynical impetus led to a TroubledProduction, faced with ExecutiveMeddling and [[InternetBackdraft an infuriated fanbase]] from without, and director Josh Trank's CreatorBreakdown and multiple {{Special Effect Failure}}s from within. The final result was a significant BoxOfficeBomb and one of the worst-reviewed comic book movies ever made, [[DisownedAdaptation disowned by Marvel itself]] [[CreatorBacklash and badmouthed by the director and many other members of the cast and crew]]. A planned sequel vanished from Fox's release calendar in November of 2015. Many critics suggested Fox could have made more money without even bothering to release a movie, by simply selling the rights back to Marvel Studios or striking a deal to allow reciprocal character appearances with the MCU, like Sony did after the diminishing returns of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries''.

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** The 2015 movie, infamously dubbed ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'', didn't fare any better, as it was rushed out to meet yet another deadline for Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox to produce a film (following the underperformance of ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer]]'') or see the characters revert to Marvel. Fox's main concern was not only the potential lost revenue from (higher quality) future releases but also the fact that it would strengthen one of their direct competitors. This cynical impetus led to a TroubledProduction, faced with ExecutiveMeddling and [[InternetBackdraft an infuriated fanbase]] from without, and director Josh Trank's CreatorBreakdown and multiple {{Special Effect Failure}}s from within. The final result was a significant BoxOfficeBomb and one of the worst-reviewed comic book movies ever made, [[DisownedAdaptation disowned by Marvel itself]] [[CreatorBacklash and badmouthed by the director and many other members of the cast and crew]]. A planned sequel vanished from Fox's release calendar in November of 2015. Many critics suggested Fox could have made more money without even bothering to release a movie, by simply selling the rights back to Marvel Studios or striking a deal to allow reciprocal character appearances with the MCU, like Sony did after the diminishing returns of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries''. Eventually, Disney bought the rights to most of 20th Century Fox's assets two years later, including the cinematic rights to the Fantastic Four, [[ShaggyDogStory meaning Fox's attempts to keep the rights out of Marvel's hands was all for nothing]].
21st Dec '17 10:18:57 PM DarkChirano
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* Marvel has had huge success with movie adaptations of its superhero characters, including the sprawling, interconnected Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse continuity, financed and produced in-house. However, three of the most popular Marvel properties -- ComicBook/SpiderMan, the ComicBook/FantasticFour, and the ComicBook/XMen -- are conspicuous by their absence in the MCU. Marvel sold off the movie rights to their best-known characters to make ends meet during a period of financial troubles in the late 1990s, even though their characters had never yet been successfully adapted to the big screen. In the 2000s, a new approach to development spearheaded by Jerry Calabrese and Avi Arad lead to a string of successful films by outside studios, and eventually to Marvel experimenting with in-house movie production rather than licensing to other studios. Characters like Iron Man and Captain America were considered second- or third-string heroes in the comics world, but Marvel still held their movie rights free and clear, so they made do with what was available and were rewarded with several smash hits. Since then, Marvel has been very interested in permanently reclaiming properties that could be added to the MCU, and their licensees have resorted to ashcanning productions in order to hold on to their movie rights:

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* Marvel has had huge success with movie adaptations of its superhero characters, including the sprawling, interconnected Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse continuity, financed and produced in-house. However, three of the most popular Marvel properties -- ComicBook/SpiderMan, the ComicBook/FantasticFour, and the ComicBook/XMen -- are were conspicuous by their absence in the MCU. Marvel sold off the movie rights to their best-known characters to make ends meet during a period of financial troubles in the late 1990s, even though their characters had never yet been successfully adapted to the big screen. In the 2000s, a new approach to development spearheaded by Jerry Calabrese and Avi Arad lead to a string of successful films by outside studios, and eventually to Marvel experimenting with in-house movie production rather than licensing to other studios. Characters like Iron Man and Captain America were considered second- or third-string heroes in the comics world, but Marvel still held their movie rights free and clear, so they made do with what was available and were rewarded with several smash hits. Since then, Marvel has been very interested in permanently reclaiming properties that could be added to the MCU, and their licensees have resorted to ashcanning productions in order to hold on to their movie rights:
19th Dec '17 7:52:44 PM ghidorah15
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** ''Film/FantasticFour2015'' didn't fare any better, as it was rushed out to meet yet another deadline for Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox to produce a film (following the underperformance of ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer]]'') or see the characters revert to Marvel. Fox's main concern was not only the potential lost revenue from (higher quality) future releases but also the fact that it would strengthen one of their direct competitors. This cynical impetus led to a TroubledProduction, faced with ExecutiveMeddling and [[InternetBackdraft an infuriated fanbase]] from without, and director Josh Trank's CreatorBreakdown and multiple {{Special Effect Failure}}s from within. The final result was a significant BoxOfficeBomb and one of the worst-reviewed comic book movies ever made, [[DisownedAdaptation disowned by Marvel itself]] [[CreatorBacklash and badmouthed by the director and many other members of the cast and crew]]. A planned sequel vanished from Fox's release calendar in November of 2015. Many critics suggested Fox could have made more money without even bothering to release a movie, by simply selling the rights back to Marvel Studios or striking a deal to allow reciprocal character appearances with the MCU, like Sony did after the diminishing returns of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries''.

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** ''Film/FantasticFour2015'' The 2015 movie, infamously dubbed ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fant4stic]]'', didn't fare any better, as it was rushed out to meet yet another deadline for Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox to produce a film (following the underperformance of ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer]]'') or see the characters revert to Marvel. Fox's main concern was not only the potential lost revenue from (higher quality) future releases but also the fact that it would strengthen one of their direct competitors. This cynical impetus led to a TroubledProduction, faced with ExecutiveMeddling and [[InternetBackdraft an infuriated fanbase]] from without, and director Josh Trank's CreatorBreakdown and multiple {{Special Effect Failure}}s from within. The final result was a significant BoxOfficeBomb and one of the worst-reviewed comic book movies ever made, [[DisownedAdaptation disowned by Marvel itself]] [[CreatorBacklash and badmouthed by the director and many other members of the cast and crew]]. A planned sequel vanished from Fox's release calendar in November of 2015. Many critics suggested Fox could have made more money without even bothering to release a movie, by simply selling the rights back to Marvel Studios or striking a deal to allow reciprocal character appearances with the MCU, like Sony did after the diminishing returns of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries''.
6th Dec '17 3:24:16 PM Chasem
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** Creator/{{Sony}}'s ''Spider-Man'' license was originally doing much better than Fox and the Fantastic Four, and in fact is sometimes credited with kickstarting the current era of superhero movies. However, after Creator/SamRaimi's fourth ''[[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Spider-Man]]'' movie [[TroubledProduction fell apart in the planning stage]], a rebooted origin story called ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' was greenlit with an all-new cast and crew. Critics alleged the project was revived solely to extend Sony's reversion deadline, but the rebooted film was (unexpectedly) a big enough hit to generate talk of a franchise of its own to compete with the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, with Sony confident that Spider-Man was theirs for the foreseeable future. Even before [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2 the second film]] came out, Sony was hyping up {{spinoff}}s focusing on ComicBook/{{Venom}} and the Script/SinisterSix. However, ''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'' wound up a critical and box office failure, derailing all of Sony's carefully-laid plans to make Peter Parker into a meta-franchise. Sony was scrambling for any viable ideas; at one point, there was talk of a spinoff focused on Aunt May (a rumor that was quickly [[http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Sony-Has-Say-About-Spider-Man-Aunt-May-Movie-68174.html quashed by Sony]], but which [[TheTysonZone people had no problem believing]]). After the 2014 Sony email hack revealed that they were considering throwing in the towel and cutting a deal with Marvel Studios, pressure from fans who wanted to see Spidey "return home" led Sony to sign a deal in early 2015 to allow reciprocal character appearances with Marvel Studios, improving their chances of holding onto the license in the long term. Accordingly, Spidey's first solo film, ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' was produced by Marvel Studios for Sony, set in the MCU, and quite well received.

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** Creator/{{Sony}}'s ''Spider-Man'' license was originally doing much better than Fox and the Fantastic Four, and in fact is sometimes credited with kickstarting the current era of superhero movies. However, after Creator/SamRaimi's fourth ''[[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Spider-Man]]'' movie [[TroubledProduction fell apart in the planning stage]], a rebooted origin story called ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' was greenlit with an all-new cast and crew. Critics alleged the project was revived solely to extend Sony's reversion deadline, but the rebooted film was (unexpectedly) a big enough hit to generate talk of a franchise of its own to compete with the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, with Sony confident that Spider-Man was theirs for the foreseeable future. Even before [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2 the second film]] came out, Sony was hyping up {{spinoff}}s focusing on ComicBook/{{Venom}} and the Script/SinisterSix. However, ''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'' wound up a critical and box office failure, derailing all of Sony's carefully-laid plans to make Peter Parker into a meta-franchise. Sony was scrambling for any viable ideas; at one point, there was talk of a spinoff focused on Aunt May (a rumor that was quickly [[http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Sony-Has-Say-About-Spider-Man-Aunt-May-Movie-68174.html quashed by Sony]], but which [[TheTysonZone people had no problem believing]]). After the 2014 Sony email hack revealed that they were considering throwing in the towel and cutting a deal with Marvel Studios, pressure from fans who wanted to see Spidey "return home" led Sony to sign a deal in early 2015 to allow reciprocal character appearances with Marvel Studios, improving their chances of holding onto the license in the long term. Accordingly, Spidey's first solo film, ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' was produced by Marvel Studios for Sony, set in the MCU, and quite well received. Despite this, Sony resumed their spinoff plans with ''Film/Venom2018'' and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'', which are (allegedly) intended to kick off their own SharedUniverse separate from the MCU and highly suggest that Sony's primary concern is to retain creative control over the characters' film appearances.
19th Nov '17 12:11:22 PM hyphz
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* After 5 years, the sponsors of the [[Pinball/MagicGirl]] pinball machine were wondering what they would get for their money, and even considering a lawsuit against the creator, given that the last they had seen of the machine was a barely playable prototype at an Expo in 2015. To stave off the lawsuit, in 2017, they all received.. manufactured copies of the same prototype, with all the faults still there, and some additional bugs introduced by expensive parts being missing.

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* After 5 years, the sponsors of the [[Pinball/MagicGirl]] Pinball/MagicGirl pinball machine were wondering what they would get for their money, and even considering a lawsuit against the creator, given that the last they had seen of the machine was a barely playable prototype at an Expo in 2015. To stave off the lawsuit, in 2017, they all received.. manufactured copies of the same prototype, with all the faults still there, and some additional bugs introduced by expensive parts being missing.
19th Nov '17 12:10:25 PM hyphz
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* After 5 years, the sponsors of the [[Pinball/MagicGirl]] pinball machine were wondering what they would get for their money, and even considering a lawsuit against the creator, given that the last they had seen of the machine was a barely playable prototype at an Expo in 2015. To stave off the lawsuit, in 2017, they all received.. manufactured copies of the same prototype, with all the faults still there, and some additional bugs introduced by expensive parts being missing.
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26th Oct '17 3:12:07 AM OlfinBedwere
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* The little-known fourth ''Film/{{Porkys}}'' film, ''Pimpin' Pee Wee'' was produced on a very hurried schedule in 2009, purely for the purposes of derailing a remake of the first film that Creator/HowardStern was attempting to mount.
21st Oct '17 8:58:57 AM normal19
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* In a non-Western example, Japan had a law prohibiting arcade cabinets from being distributed without games. Manufacturers obliged by providing very simple games good for little else but testing the monitors and controls. Creator/{{Sega}}'s ''Dottori-kun'' and Creator/{{Taito}}'s ''Minivader'' are typical examples, featuring primitive black-and-white graphics and no sound. Konami's ''Mogura Desse' is a slightly more sophisticated example; it has color and sound to go with its highly simplistic gameplay.

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* In a non-Western example, Japan had a law prohibiting arcade cabinets from being distributed without games. Manufacturers obliged by providing very simple games good for little else but testing the monitors and controls. Creator/{{Sega}}'s ''Dottori-kun'' and Creator/{{Taito}}'s ''Minivader'' are typical examples, featuring primitive black-and-white graphics and no sound. Konami's ''Mogura Desse' Desse'' is a slightly more sophisticated example; it has color and sound to go with its highly simplistic gameplay.
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