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6th Jan '17 11:02:10 PM DeltaDart
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** Heavy metal armor can feel this way in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline'', where it is only 25% stronger than leather medium armor, and the stamina and crit-damage bonuses of medium tend to outweigh the slight tanking bonuses granted by heavy.
3rd Jan '17 2:21:45 AM iroanxi
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* Both played straight and averted in ''FanFic/AgeOfStrife''

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* Both played straight and averted in ''FanFic/AgeOfStrife''''FanFic/AgeOfStrife''.


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* ''Fanfic/WithThisRing'':
** [[AvertedTrope Averted, so hard,]] with [[GenreSavvy Orange Lantern,]] who wears high grade body armor under his Ring-generated armor, which wound up saving his life. He also [[LampshadeHanging points out]] that Robin and Kid Flash have Kevlar incorporated in their costumes, and later convinces Kaldur to wear Ocean Master's armor in battle after he claimed it as spoils of war, and arranged for Artemis and Zatanna to acquire proper armor of their own. And Kon, despite the whole "near-invulnerable kryptonian" thing, received a set of armor with Nth metal in the Paragon timeline, increasing his durability and allowing him the power of flight. In Renegade, Kon has Apokolipitian armor despite being [[spoiler: full Kryptonian.]] On top of all that, when stealth goes out the window, one of the first thing OL usually does is cover the entire team in Construct-armor. So far only [[VoluntaryShapeshifting M'gann]] is the only one he hasn't convinced to wear extra plating in the field, and that's more of her powerset not being suitable for it than anything else.
** When Zatanna brings up Wonder Woman fighting crime in what is essentially a leotard, OL points out that not only could Wonder Woman, quote, "Tank anti-armor rounds ''naked''", but her armor was forged by the Greek God of the forge and is actually of higher quality than his own.
** Played with in regards to head covering and hand coverings; OL deems the loss of awareness and dexterity far more deleterious to his survival than a minor increase in protection.
*** OL later produces a power-armor construct that includes a fully covering helmet with 360-degree vision coverage through construct cameras.
** Had Prince Orm wore gauntlets with his Ocean Master armor, he probably wouldn't have lost his hands.
31st Dec '16 11:35:43 PM IndustriousArc
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* The ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' fanfic''FanFic/ABrighterDark'' goes to lengths to avert this. There are multiple instances where armor saves a character's life, either by allowing a blow to glance off of them or by mitigating the damage.
28th Dec '16 10:42:21 AM Steven
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* ''VideoGame/PAYDAY2'' has various types of armor; the smaller and lighter armors offer little protection, but don't really hamper your movement speed. Bulkier and heavier armors give more protection in exchange for slower speed and less stamina. Due to rebalancing for enemies and players in some updates and the introduction to the [[MoreDakka SWAT Van Turret]], armor is torn up so fast (especially on [[HarderThanHard Death Wish]]) that wearing bulky armor slows you down enough to get shot up and make your extra protection become gone in a matter of seconds. Most players prefer to wear a two piece suit, which has no armor value, but offers the highest stamina and speed values, plus it's the only "armor" that has a base value for dodge (random chance on whether a shot that hits you [[NoSell deals no damage]]). There's also several perk decks that can boost dodge even further, making you almost immune to being shot at if lady luck's at your side. Because armor is too cumbersome and is a liability for most, the majority of skilled players will never use armor. This also has a side-effect where most players attempting to stealth a heist will restart whenever stealth is broken instead of attempting to salvage things and leave guns blazing - "stealth" in this game is often more a matter of being able to move within a security guard's line of sight without arousing suspicion rather than actively staying out of sight. This is obviously much easier to do with a two-piece suit and an easily-concealable but likely weak weapon than it is coming in with full torso-, arm- and thigh-covering body armor and a heavy weapon that drops similarly-armored cops in one shot, which means that players gearing up for stealth aren't geared for surviving protracted firefights.

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* ''VideoGame/PAYDAY2'' ''VideoGame/PAYDAY2'':
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has various types of armor; the smaller and lighter armors offer little protection, but don't really hamper your movement speed. Bulkier and heavier armors give more protection in exchange for slower speed and less stamina. Due to rebalancing for enemies and players in some updates and the introduction to the [[MoreDakka SWAT Van Turret]], armor is torn up so fast (especially on [[HarderThanHard Death Wish]]) that wearing bulky armor slows you down enough to get shot up and make your extra protection become gone in a matter of seconds. Most players prefer to wear a two piece suit, which has no armor value, but offers the highest stamina and speed values, plus it's the only "armor" that has a base value for dodge (random chance on whether a shot that hits you [[NoSell deals no damage]]). There's also several perk decks that can boost dodge even further, making you almost immune to being shot at if lady luck's at your side. Because armor is too cumbersome and is a liability for most, the majority of skilled players will never use armor. This also has a side-effect where most players attempting to stealth a heist will restart whenever stealth is broken instead of attempting to salvage things and leave guns blazing - "stealth" in this game is often more a matter of being able to move within a security guard's line of sight without arousing suspicion rather than actively staying out of sight. This is obviously much easier to do with a two-piece suit and an easily-concealable but likely weak weapon than it is coming in with full torso-, arm- and thigh-covering body armor and a heavy weapon that drops similarly-armored cops in one shot, which means that players gearing up for stealth aren't geared for surviving protracted firefights.
** For the enemies, most of them are heavily armored on higher difficulties. Their heads have minimal protection, which makes having armor entirely pointless and explosive weapons can tear through armor anyway. The [[EliteMook Bulldozer]] is covered from head to toe in armor, but the faceplate can be shot off, exposing the Bulldozer's face to further gunfire.
28th Dec '16 10:38:26 AM Steven
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has some boss monsters covered in armor and checking their stats shows they got the defense to back it up. However, depending on what weapon you use and how high your LV is, you can take down those heavily armored monsters in just a few hits. [[spoiler: It's explained in-universe that someone with a ton of malice and hatred can easily destroy a monster's body and soul (sometimes in a single strike), even if said monster is supposed to be way stronger than the human that is attacking them. It is also explained that a monster is extremely sensitive to the emotions and feelings of those around them and they get weak if they face against someone who has a lot of negative energy. LV stands for Level of Violence, which explains why you can easily one shot almost anyone if it gets really high.]]
20th Dec '16 1:45:08 PM gb00393
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** {{Discussed}} when Ser Jorah Mormont debates the merits of armor with Rakharo. Jorah argues that armor will make a slashing ''arakh'' useless, while Rakharo believes speed trumps protection.


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** {{Zigzagged}} when Syrio Forel defeats several armored mooks with his wooden practice sword by knocking them on the helmets but fares less well against a slightly heavier-armed Ser Meryn Trant of the Kingsguard.
18th Dec '16 5:31:16 PM ElodieHiras
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** When you reach TL 9, PowerArmor start appearing. This type of armor's true strength is to turn choosing between dodging and DR a FalseDichotomy: PowerArmor will stop small arms fire or fragmentation damage while still allowing you to dodge heavier rounds.
15th Dec '16 9:08:35 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** The above example is {{inverted|Trope}} by Victarion Greyjoy, who derides the armorless soldiers he faces at the Shield Islands as cowards who fear drowning. Heavily-armored himself, he cuts through them easily.

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** The above example is {{inverted|Trope}} by Victarion Greyjoy, who derides the armorless soldiers he faces at the Shield Islands as cowards who fear drowning.drowning (he has no such fear for religious reasons). Heavily-armored himself, he cuts through them easily.
15th Dec '16 9:04:17 AM ImpudentInfidel
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*** Subverted in the beginning when they're fighting nameless redshirts. Several Stormtroopers are seen getting back up after solid hits, while the rebels are dropping from the shrapnel thrown up by missed shots.
8th Dec '16 10:48:44 PM jboxingfool
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**in the 3rd edition, armor has become viable again, and stacks with the Resistance skills. However, most Martial Arts don't function with armor on.
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