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6th May '16 11:41:51 PM OldBlindTrope
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* The sword still saw plenty of use, at least for cavalry and officers, well into the 19th century. When most firearms were single shot, mechanically unreliable, and/or difficult to reload, it was helpful to have a weapon that didn't jam or run out of bullets. While horse cavalry with swords and lances inevitably became obsolete in the face of improved firearms, machine guns, and artillery, they didn't fully disappear until World War I put the final nail in the coffin (and even then there was still at least one cavalry charge in World War II).

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* The sword still saw plenty of use, at least for cavalry and officers, well into the 19th century. When most firearms were single shot, mechanically unreliable, and/or difficult to reload, it was helpful to have a weapon that didn't jam or run out of bullets. While horse Horse cavalry with swords and lances inevitably became obsolete were obsolescent in WWI (although the Battle of Armageddon in 1918 was decided by an improvised Canadian cavalry charge), and swords saw little use in WWII -- although the Poles in the face of improved firearms, machine guns, early war, and artillery, they didn't fully disappear until World War I put the final nail in Germans and Russians down to the coffin (and even then end, used rifle-armed cavalry to very good effect. ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill And there was still at least also that one cavalry charge in World War II).guy with a longbow.]]
2nd May '16 10:44:25 AM Cifer
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* Common in ''TabletopGame/TheWorldOfDarkness'' games such as ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' and ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. Hand weapons can be much more effective than firearms in the hands of supernatural creatures, to say nothing of their natural claws and fangs. In addition, firearms cause "Bashing" damage to vampires rather than the "Lethal" damage caused by blades because organ damage is meaningless to undead.

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* Common in ''TabletopGame/TheWorldOfDarkness'' games such as ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' and ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. Hand weapons can be much more effective than firearms in the hands of supernatural creatures, to say nothing of their natural claws and fangs.
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In addition, firearms cause "Bashing" damage to Vampire, both vampires rather and vampire hunters have a strong motivation towards archaic weapons: Heavy trauma is practically the only way to take down undead aside from their [[WeaksauceWeakness vulnerabilities]], so bullets that can only open bleeding wounds or puncture organs in a creature without blood circulation or an anatomy that works by anything more than magic are less effective than bladed weapons that can open up large wounds or lop off limbs. Plus, crossbows can be used to shoot wooden stakes.
** In Werewolf, on
the "Lethal" damage caused by blades because organ damage other claw side, the preference is meaningless limited to undead.the titular creatures due to their 10-feet-warforms usually possessing enough strength to flip cars. Additionally, their magical items are usually of a low-tech basis since any high-tech items automatically have an affinity to the Weaver, a cosmic entity most werewolves are not willing to deal with. Plus, their traditional ceremonial weapons are silver daggers/swords. Werewolf ''hunters'', on the other hand side, usually go for guns, preferably of a high calibre and with silver ammo.
25th Apr '16 8:31:40 PM StarSword
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** {{Subverted}} in "[[Recap/FarscapeS01E04ThroneForALoss Throne for a Loss]]". After Crichton accidentally [[MadeOfExplodium overloads her pulse rifle]], Aeryn asks for another weapon and D'Argo hands her his qualta blade. Aeryn is displeased to be handed a sword, but then D'Argo reveals that [[SwissArmyWeapon the qualta blade is also a pulse rifle]].

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** {{Subverted}} in "[[Recap/FarscapeS01E04ThroneForALoss Throne for a Loss]]". After Crichton accidentally [[MadeOfExplodium overloads her pulse rifle]], Aeryn asks for another weapon and D'Argo hands her his qualta blade. Aeryn is displeased to be handed a sword, but then D'Argo reveals that [[SwissArmyWeapon the qualta blade is also a pulse rifle]]. Later episodes indicate the qualta blade is somewhat antiquated by Peacekeeper standards, but it's still a very effective weapon.
25th Apr '16 8:22:01 PM StarSword
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* ''Series/{{Farscape}}'':
** {{Subverted}} in "[[Recap/FarscapeS01E04ThroneForALoss Throne for a Loss]]". After Crichton accidentally [[MadeOfExplodium overloads her pulse rifle]], Aeryn asks for another weapon and D'Argo hands her his qualta blade. Aeryn is displeased to be handed a sword, but then D'Argo reveals that [[SwissArmyWeapon the qualta blade is also a pulse rifle]].
** {{Justified}} in "[[Recap/FarscapeS03E05DifferentDestinations ...Different Destinations]]". The RepeatingCrossbow-armed Veneks reduce the pulse weapon-armed Peacekeeper soldiers to fighting with clubs and knives with {{technobabble}} that renders the FrickinLaserBeams inoperable. This includes D'Argo's qualta blade, [[spoiler:but not Aeryn and Crichton's pulse pistols from 500 years in the future]].
15th Apr '16 1:32:28 AM Alceister
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** In the same vein, the Brotherhood of Steel was beaten back by the NCR after their ''disagreements'' (though this was more because NCR troops outnumbered the Brotherhood over [[WeHaveReserves 25 to 1 in New Vegas alone]].

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** In the same vein, the Brotherhood of Steel was beaten back by the NCR after their ''disagreements'' (though ''disagreements'', though this was more because NCR troops outnumbered the Brotherhood over [[WeHaveReserves 25 to 1 in New Vegas Vegas, alone]].
9th Apr '16 11:21:33 PM Alceister
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* Much fighting in World War 1 took the form of "trench raids", where soldiers would scramble out of a trench, sprint across the open ground, and drop into an enemy trench. Rifles were cumbersome in the narrow, zig-zagging trenches, and combat was typically at very close quarters. Pistols had limited stopping power and attracted reinforcements by their noise, and any mechanical device was subject to malfunction in the ever-present dirt and muck. Soldiers rapidly discovered that knives, clubs, and other simple melee weapons were frequently the best choices. The classic 1918 trench knife, with its brass-knuckles handle, was born in this environment, and the humble shovel (which everyone had with him anyway) rapidly became a favorite as an improvised tomahawk. To this day entrenching tools are often specifically designed to have one edge sharpened for use as a weapon.

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* Much fighting in World War 1 took the form of "trench raids", where soldiers would scramble out of a trench, sprint across the open ground, and drop into an enemy trench. Rifles were cumbersome in the narrow, zig-zagging trenches, and combat was typically at very close quarters. Pistols had limited stopping power and attracted reinforcements by their noise, and any mechanical device was subject to malfunction in the ever-present dirt and muck. Soldiers rapidly discovered that knives, clubs, and other simple melee weapons were frequently the best choices. The classic 1918 trench knife, with its brass-knuckles handle, was born in this environment, and the humble shovel (which everyone had with him anyway) rapidly became a favorite as an improvised tomahawk.axe. To this day entrenching tools are often specifically designed to have one edge sharpened for use as a weapon.
9th Apr '16 11:14:32 PM Alceister
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** Caesar's legion scorns the use of firearms because of the dependence on ammo and possibility of the gun jamming: Only the EliteMooks use any kind of gun and Caesar's guards are all unarmed experts so they are never without their weapons. Despite the NCR having a technological edge (though you are told that most soldiers only get the most basic gear (sometimes not even that if they're somewhere unlikely to see action due to costs) they've been locked in stalemate with the legion at Hoover Dam for years...
*** In the same vein the Brotherhood of Steel was beaten back by the NCR after their ''disagreements'' (though this was more because NCR troops outnumbered the Brotherhood over [[WeHaveReserves 25 to 1 in New Vegas alone]].

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** Caesar's legion scorns the use of firearms Legion uses relatively few guns, partly because of the dependence on ammo and possibility of the gun jamming: Only the EliteMooks use any kind of gun and Caesar's guards are all unarmed experts so they are never without their weapons. Despite technophobic views on pre-war technology, but also because they lack the NCR having a technological edge (though you are told that most soldiers only get logistics and manufacturing to support their widespread use. They still manage to fight the most basic gear (sometimes not even that if they're somewhere unlikely New California Republic to see action due a stalemate, despite the latter being able to costs) they've been locked in stalemate equip almost every single one of their troops with the legion at Hoover Dam for years...
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In the same vein vein, the Brotherhood of Steel was beaten back by the NCR after their ''disagreements'' (though this was more because NCR troops outnumbered the Brotherhood over [[WeHaveReserves 25 to 1 in New Vegas alone]].
2nd Apr '16 6:41:52 AM galanx
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* In Heinlein's "Literature/{{Beyond This Horizon}}" where lethal duels with rayguns are commonplace, the hero makes a replica of an obsolete weapon, the '.45'. When his friend informs him that chemical reactions are too slow, the hero replies that it's human reflexes that make the difference.
25th Feb '16 7:06:16 PM StarSword
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* In the InfinityBlade franchise, most Titans don't bother with ranged weaponry, even the ones with GiantMecha and Mach 10 space-jets. Partly justified by the advanced armor technology in all Titans that makes what should be fatal shots a mere trifle while swords and magic put the hurt on them. Doesn't stop Isa from cheap-shooting them with her crossbow, though.

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* In the InfinityBlade ''VideoGame/InfinityBlade'' franchise, most Titans don't bother with ranged weaponry, even the ones with GiantMecha and Mach 10 space-jets. Partly justified by the advanced armor technology in all Titans that makes what should be fatal shots a mere trifle while swords and magic put the hurt on them. Doesn't stop Isa from cheap-shooting them with her crossbow, though.



* In ''Webcomic/{{Terra}}'', set in the 24th century, [[DarkActionGirl Catella Myrha]] {{dual wield|ing}}s a pair of scimitars against people armed with assault rifles. It helps that her armor contains a deflector shield generator that {{No Sell}}s small arms fire. Melee attacks can penetrate it but she's good enough that this usually isn't an issue. [[spoiler:Operative word being "usually". Agrippa Varus disarms and immobilizes her with almost contemptuous ease.]]

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Terra}}'', set in the 24th century, [[DarkActionGirl Catella Myrha]] {{dual wield|ing}}s a pair of scimitars against people armed with assault rifles. It helps that her armor contains a deflector shield generator that {{No Sell}}s small arms fire. Melee attacks can penetrate it but she's good enough that this usually isn't an issue. [[spoiler:Operative word being "usually". Agrippa Varus Varus, who himself prefers a combat knife to a gun, disarms and immobilizes her with almost contemptuous ease.]]



* Modern armies still train in the use of hand-to-hand combat, including [[BayonetYa bayonet usage]]. Being able to fight effectively in situations where your primary weapon is inoperable or impractical is a useful ability, though the training is usually considered more for building confidence, aggression, and physical conditioning. That said, they have proven decisive in a few battles even in the 2010s (mostly involving Scottish regiments).

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* Modern armies still train in the use of hand-to-hand combat, including [[BayonetYa bayonet usage]]. Being able to fight effectively in situations where your primary weapon is inoperable or impractical is a useful ability, though the training is usually considered more for building confidence, aggression, and physical conditioning. That said, they have proven decisive in a few battles even in as recently as the 2010s (mostly involving Scottish regiments). UsefulNotes/WarOnTerror: [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8016685.stm in 2004]] elements of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders launched a bayonet charge against Mahdi Army insurgents in Amarah, Iraq, killing 28, and [[https://www.gov.uk/government/news/bayonet-charge-foils-enemy-ambushin in 2011]] the Prince of Wales Royal Regiment's LCPL. Sean Jones earned the Military Cross for leading his bayonet-wielding squad into Taliban machine-gun fire in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.



* The sword still saw plenty of use, at least for cavalry and officers, well into the 19th century. When most firearms were single shot, mechanically unreliable, and/or difficult to reload, it was helpful to have a weapon that didn't jam or run out of bullets. While horse cavalry with swords and lances inevitably became obsolete in the face of improved firearms, machine guns, and artillery, they didn't fully disappear until World War I put the final nail in the coffin.

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* The sword still saw plenty of use, at least for cavalry and officers, well into the 19th century. When most firearms were single shot, mechanically unreliable, and/or difficult to reload, it was helpful to have a weapon that didn't jam or run out of bullets. While horse cavalry with swords and lances inevitably became obsolete in the face of improved firearms, machine guns, and artillery, they didn't fully disappear until World War I put the final nail in the coffin.coffin (and even then there was still at least one cavalry charge in World War II).




25th Feb '16 5:15:22 PM TheBigBopper
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* Pikes came briefly back into use before and during the American Civil War. John Brown's raid on Harpers' Ferry on October 16-18, 1859 had some of his supporters armed with pikes. In 1862, governor Joe Brown of Georgia ordered 10,000 pikes from the state's mechanics, recognizing that there were not enough guns and ammunition to arm the populace: "The short range pike and terrible knife, when brought within their proper range, (as they can be almost in a moment) and wielded by a stalwart patriot’s arm, never fail to fire and never waste a single load.” Admittedly their actual distribution and effectiveness was very limited, but it just goes to show that desperation causes people to fall back on old technologies.
* The sword still saw plenty of use, at least for cavalry and officers, well into the 19th century. When most firearms were single shot, mechanically unreliable, and/or difficult to reload, it was helpful to have a weapon that didn't jam or run out of bullets. While horse cavalry with swords and lances inevitably became obsolete in the face of improved firearms, machine guns, and artillery, they didn't fully disappear until World War I put the final nail in the coffin.
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