History Main / AppealToTradition

6th Mar '17 1:59:37 PM Angus_Old
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* Blue Bell claims to "taste just like the good old days." Its commercials also include a lot of old timey things.
* In TheSeventies and TheEighties, all three American car manufacturers at various times used this to sell outdated models.
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3rd Mar '17 5:45:03 PM TheBigBopper
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One thing that looks like this fallacy but is not: If a novelty is logically inconsistent with what the reformer is ostensibly setting out to do. If a would-be religious reformer attempts to change doctrines on which the entire religion rests, then his opponents are right to point out that he does not seek reform, but rather the complete destruction of that religion.



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If a novelty is logically inconsistent with what the reformer is ostensibly setting out to do. If a would-be religious reformer attempts to change doctrines on which the entire religion rests, then his opponents are right to point out that he does not seek reform, but rather the complete destruction of that religion.
28th Feb '17 7:54:08 PM Give1Take2
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* Deconstructed in ''Franchise/DragonAge'', where several ancient cultures and empires are on the verge of crumbling, but refuse to change their ways because "tradition."
** The last two remaining dwarven kingdoms refuse to leave the underground despite being stuck in a ForeverWar with the Darkspawn, nor loosen their rigid and oppressive caste system that contributes to their decline[[note]]The caste system only allows nobles and warriors to fight darkspawn, restricts social mobility since lower castes can only be raised to the status of their spouse if they have a child of the same gender as the higher caste parent, and castless are forbidden from meaningfully contributing to Orzammar society at all, whether fighting the darkspawn or making/polishing the weapons for warriors to fight with[[/note]]), just because "this is the way it's always been."
** Tevinter similarly refuses to loosen its restrictive caste and slavery system, even though doing so would prevent them from crumbling as they are.
** Most elves refuse to give up trying to reclaim or keep alive their lost ancient culture after being conquered and enslaved by humans twice, though the Dalish take it to greater extremes.
** The Grey Wardens also ''refuse'' to research ''any'' new ways to fight darkspawn and end Blights, strictly adhering to the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the First Blight because... that's the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the very First Blight. As the series goes on more and more alternatives to the Warden's way of doing things have been discovered [[spoiler: prolonging Wardens' lives despite the taint, curing the Taint, stopping Blights without destroying the soul of an Old God in the process, etc]] but the Wardens adamantly refuse to break tradition.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': During the City Elf Origin, if you ask your father why you have to enter an ArrangedMarriage, he responds, "Tradition, child!"
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': After a huge magical explosion kills off all the major religious leaders of the world and creates a giant demon-raining hole in the sky, the Chantry refuses to deal with said demon-raining hole in the sky first, arguing that it is more important to follow tradition by electing a new Divine first (which could take months) and ''then'' following her orders on the subject. The game essentially opens with the PlayerCharacter and a handful of declared heretics starting their own religious organization (the Inquisition) to deal with the new problem since the Chantry's old traditional way (lots of political grand-standing and bureaucratic procedure) would be too slow and address the world-shattering crisis too late.
19th Feb '17 10:29:58 PM Eievie
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!!'''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition Appeal To Tradition]]''':
!!! Also called
* Appeal to Antiquity.
* "We've Always Done It This Way."

The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything. Quite similar to AppealToNature.

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Tradition]]--also called "Appeal to Antiquity.
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Antiquity", or "We've Always Done It This Way."

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Way,"--is the polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything. Quite similar to AppealToNature.






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* [[Music/WeirdAlYankovic Weird Al's]] song "Weasel Stomping Day" is about a FictionalHoliday where people spread mayonnaise on their lawns, then put on viking helmets and hiking boots in order to crush weasels to death. Complete with tongue-in-cheek lyrics such as "It's tradition, that makes it okay" in order to mock the idea that an abhorrent act is acceptable if it is 'traditional'.

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* [[Music/WeirdAlYankovic Weird Al's]] song "Weasel Stomping Day" is about a FictionalHoliday where people spread mayonnaise on their lawns, then put on viking helmets and hiking boots in order to crush weasels to death. Complete with tongue-in-cheek lyrics such as "It's tradition, that makes it okay" in order to mock the idea that an abhorrent act is acceptable if it is 'traditional'."traditional."






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* ''TabletopGame/BleakWorld'' has the Blood Governors suicidally sticking to the ancient tradition of [[TheMasquerade Vampire Secrecy]] every other organization other than the BrainwashedAndCrazy Society of [[LesbianVampire Lesbian Vampires]] prefers to give up the secrecy and live among humans as equals.

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* ''TabletopGame/BleakWorld'' has the Blood Governors suicidally sticking to the ancient tradition of [[TheMasquerade Vampire Secrecy]] every other organization other than the BrainwashedAndCrazy Society of [[LesbianVampire Lesbian Vampires]] {{Lesbian Vampire}}s prefers to give up the secrecy and live among humans as equals.
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E21OverABarrel Over A Barrel]]" has this for the buffalo's entire motivation: They're upset that settler ponies built an orchard over their traditional stampeding grounds.

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16th Dec '16 4:30:23 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': This is Hizdahr's main explanation for the brutality of the fighting pits.
13th Aug '16 9:10:47 AM Roland_Dhalgren
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E15TheCartBeforeThePonies The Cart Before the Ponies]]" has Applejack pulling this argument to an absurd degree on Apple Bloom when she wants to build the fastest cart and not the most traditional one. She doesn't really give a reason for wanting a traditional cart aside from, well, that's what the Apples have always done.
12th Aug '16 7:46:42 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/{{Rome}}'': Lucius Vorenus (a commoner) brings this up when he's a guest at the Julii household and Atia (an aristocrat) asks him what he thinks of the institutional problems of the Roman Republic. He skirts the issue of reform with an appeal to the longevity of the republic.

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12th Aug '16 7:40:16 AM Morgenthaler
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-->3. "Da könnte ja jeder kommen." ([[SlipperySlopeFallacy "Then anyone could ask for the same."]])
* The British general Sir Charles Napier, during his deployment in India in the 1840s, attended the funeral pyre of a local dignitary, when he, to his horror, saw the wife of the deceased being led onto the pyre. Napier ordered his men to intervene and hang the offenders. When an outraged local priest asked by what right he had killed men for following their people's tradition of burning widows alongside their dead husbands, Napier answered: "My people have a tradition of hanging men who attempt to murder women".

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* The British general Sir Charles Napier, during his deployment in India in the 1840s, attended the funeral pyre of a local dignitary, when he, to his horror, saw the wife of the deceased being led onto the pyre. Napier ordered his men to intervene and hang the offenders. When an outraged local priest asked by what right he had killed men for following their people's tradition of burning widows alongside their dead husbands, Napier answered: "My people have a tradition of hanging men who attempt to murder women".


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8th Aug '16 4:19:16 AM jormis29
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** What Napier failed to consider was that widows who could not or would not remarry and who had no family to look after them (as the husband's family often would not) were likely to end up starving to death in the street instead, [[NotQuiteTheRightThing which was at best a marginal improvement.]] However, when they finally got rid of their British rulers a hundred years later, this was one traditional cultural practice that the new Indian government pointedly did ''not'' reinstate.
7th Aug '16 5:57:41 AM Jake
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** What Napier failed to consider was that widows who could not or would not remarry and who had no family to look after them (as the husband's family often would not) were likely to end up starving to death in the street instead, [[NotQuiteTheRightThing which was at best a marginal improvement.]] However, when they finally got rid of their British rulers a hundred years later, this was one traditional cultural practice that the new Indian government pointedly did ''not'' reinstate.
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