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13th Aug '16 9:10:47 AM Roland_Dhalgren
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E15TheCartBeforeThePonies The Cart Before the Ponies]]" has Applejack pulling this argument to an absurd degree on Apple Bloom when she wants to build the fastest cart and not the most traditional one. She doesn't really give a reason for wanting a traditional cart aside from, well, that's what the Apples have always done.
12th Aug '16 7:46:42 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/{{Rome}}'': Lucius Vorenus (a commoner) brings this up when he's a guest at the Julii household and Atia (an aristocrat) asks him what he thinks of the institutional problems of the Roman Republic. He skirts the issue of reform with an appeal to the longevity of the republic.

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12th Aug '16 7:40:16 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Roommates}}'' the answer the Erlkönig (Elf King) gives his son's roommate:

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Roommates}}'' the answer the Erlkönig (Elf King) gives his son's roommate:



-->'''The Erlkönig''': It is tradition.

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-->3. "Da könnte ja jeder kommen." ([[SlipperySlopeFallacy "Then anyone could ask for the same."]])
* The British general Sir Charles Napier, during his deployment in India in the 1840s, attended the funeral pyre of a local dignitary, when he, to his horror, saw the wife of the deceased being led onto the pyre. Napier ordered his men to intervene and hang the offenders. When an outraged local priest asked by what right he had killed men for following their people's tradition of burning widows alongside their dead husbands, Napier answered: "My people have a tradition of hanging men who attempt to murder women".

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-->3. "Da könnte ja jeder kommen." ([[SlipperySlopeFallacy "Then anyone could ask for the same."]])
* The British general Sir Charles Napier, during his deployment in India in the 1840s, attended the funeral pyre of a local dignitary, when he, to his horror, saw the wife of the deceased being led onto the pyre. Napier ordered his men to intervene and hang the offenders. When an outraged local priest asked by what right he had killed men for following their people's tradition of burning widows alongside their dead husbands, Napier answered: "My people have a tradition of hanging men who attempt to murder women".


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8th Aug '16 4:19:16 AM jormis29
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** What Napier failed to consider was that widows who could not or would not remarry and who had no family to look after them (as the husband's family often would not) were likely to end up starving to death in the street instead, [[NotQuiteTheRightThing which was at best a marginal improvement.]] However, when they finally got rid of their British rulers a hundred years later, this was one traditional cultural practice that the new Indian government pointedly did ''not'' reinstate.
7th Aug '16 5:57:41 AM Jake
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** What Napier failed to consider was that widows who could not or would not remarry and who had no family to look after them (as the husband's family often would not) were likely to end up starving to death in the street instead, [[NotQuiteTheRightThing which was at best a marginal improvement.]] However, when they finally got rid of their British rulers a hundred years later, this was one traditional cultural practice that the new Indian government pointedly did ''not'' reinstate.
14th May '16 12:13:04 AM hamza678
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The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything.

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The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything. Quite similar to AppealToNature.
8th May '16 12:52:22 AM pvsage
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E7NewbieDash Newbie Dash]]" shows that all new Wonderbolts go through a ChillyReception and EmbarrassingNickname process. The nicknames become their {{Call Sign}}s.
7th Mar '16 8:16:00 PM Josef5678
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-->1. "Das haben wir immer schon so gemacht." ([[AppealToTradition "We've always done it this way"]])

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-->1. "Das haben wir immer schon so gemacht." ([[AppealToTradition "We've ("We've always done it this way"]])way")
7th Mar '16 8:15:26 PM Josef5678
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-->--Tevye, ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''

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-->--Tevye, ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''



* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, used to justify pretty much everything the Unseen University does. In ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld'', when Ponder Stibbons has a radical ''new'' idea, he has to claim he got it from a book a few hundred years old for the faculty to take him seriously.
* There's a similar situation in another ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book, ''Pyramids''; the pharaoh's time is spent carrying out rituals, and the whole country is being held in a sort of stasis [[spoiler: because [[ItMakesSenseInContext the pyramids are recycling the same bit of time over and over]]]].

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* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, used ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
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to justify pretty much everything the Unseen University does. does.
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In ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld'', when Ponder Stibbons has a radical ''new'' idea, he has to claim he got it from a book a few hundred years old for the faculty to take him seriously.
* ** There's a similar situation in another ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book, ''Pyramids''; ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}''; the pharaoh's time is spent carrying out rituals, and the whole country is being held in a sort of stasis [[spoiler: because [[ItMakesSenseInContext the pyramids are recycling the same bit of time over and over]]]].



* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''
* Hinted at in the 1969 [[TheDoors Doors]] song "The Soft Parade", which, given the constant religious/mythological imagery in the lyrics, is probably meant to be a critique of religious traditions: "All our lives we sweat and save / Building for a shallow grave / Must be something else we say / Somehow to defend this place / Ev'rything must be this way."

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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''
* Hinted at in the 1969 [[TheDoors [[Music/TheDoors Doors]] song "The Soft Parade", which, given the constant religious/mythological imagery in the lyrics, is probably meant to be a critique of religious traditions: "All our lives we sweat and save / Building for a shallow grave / Must be something else we say / Somehow to defend this place / Ev'rything must be this way."



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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''



** ''Winter Wrap Up'' has the ponies [[PaintingTheFrostOnWindows physically clearing out winter]], using plows to remove snow, bells to awaken hibernating birds, and etc. Spike even asks why they don't just use magic and Twilight points out that, even though that ''would'' be much easier and faster, since Ponyville was founded by earth ponies it's tradition to do it manually instead. Later on Twilight does cheat with magic and gets thoroughly chewed out by Applejack for it.
** ''Over A Barrel'' has this for the buffalo's entire motivation: They're upset that settler ponies built an orchard over their traditional stampeding grounds.

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** ''Winter "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E11WinterWrapUp Winter Wrap Up'' Up]]" has the ponies [[PaintingTheFrostOnWindows physically clearing out winter]], using plows to remove snow, bells to awaken hibernating birds, and etc. Spike even asks why they don't just use magic and Twilight points out that, even though that ''would'' be much easier and faster, since Ponyville was founded by earth ponies it's tradition to do it manually instead. Later on Twilight does cheat with magic and gets thoroughly chewed out by Applejack for it.
** ''Over "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E21OverABarrel Over A Barrel'' Barrel]]" has this for the buffalo's entire motivation: They're upset that settler ponies built an orchard over their traditional stampeding grounds.



* This is one of the main reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne and IndyCar haven't added much safer closed cockpits on their cars, along with the idea that closed cockpits would be more dangerous in certain situations (such as a car on its roof or on fire). The argument goes that we've always been able to see what the driver is doing while they're driving, and closing the cockpits would remove that and, with it, the spirit of open-wheel racing. However, [[FatalMethodActing a pair of deaths]] from head injuries sustained in open cockpit race cars in 2015 seems to be turning the tide in this regard.

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* This is one of the main reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne and IndyCar UsefulNotes/IndyCar haven't added much safer closed cockpits on their cars, along with the idea that closed cockpits would be more dangerous in certain situations (such as a car on its roof or on fire). The argument goes that we've always been able to see what the driver is doing while they're driving, and closing the cockpits would remove that and, with it, the spirit of open-wheel racing. However, [[FatalMethodActing a pair of deaths]] from head injuries sustained in open cockpit race cars in 2015 seems to be turning the tide in this regard.
3rd Jan '16 5:07:03 PM Darksilverhawk
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'', Liam Geakes tries to impose a new magic system on the magical community. It's not a good system. It's full of bugs and {{Weaksauce Weakness}}es. Naturally, they're not happy.

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'', ''ComicStrip/{{Nodwick}}'', Liam Geakes tries to impose a new magic system on the magical community. It's not a good system. It's full of bugs and {{Weaksauce Weakness}}es. Naturally, they're not happy.
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