History Main / AppealToTradition

14th May '16 12:13:04 AM hamza678
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The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything.

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The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything. Quite similar to AppealToNature.
8th May '16 12:52:22 AM pvsage
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E7NewbieDash Newbie Dash]]" shows that all new Wonderbolts go through a ChillyReception and EmbarrassingNickname process. The nicknames become their {{Call Sign}}s.
7th Mar '16 8:16:00 PM Josef5678
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-->1. "Das haben wir immer schon so gemacht." ([[AppealToTradition "We've always done it this way"]])

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-->1. "Das haben wir immer schon so gemacht." ([[AppealToTradition "We've ("We've always done it this way"]])way")
7th Mar '16 8:15:26 PM Josef5678
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-->--Tevye, ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''

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-->--Tevye, ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''



* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, used to justify pretty much everything the Unseen University does. In ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld'', when Ponder Stibbons has a radical ''new'' idea, he has to claim he got it from a book a few hundred years old for the faculty to take him seriously.
* There's a similar situation in another ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book, ''Pyramids''; the pharaoh's time is spent carrying out rituals, and the whole country is being held in a sort of stasis [[spoiler: because [[ItMakesSenseInContext the pyramids are recycling the same bit of time over and over]]]].

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* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, used ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
** Used
to justify pretty much everything the Unseen University does. does.
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In ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld'', when Ponder Stibbons has a radical ''new'' idea, he has to claim he got it from a book a few hundred years old for the faculty to take him seriously.
* ** There's a similar situation in another ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book, ''Pyramids''; ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}''; the pharaoh's time is spent carrying out rituals, and the whole country is being held in a sort of stasis [[spoiler: because [[ItMakesSenseInContext the pyramids are recycling the same bit of time over and over]]]].



* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''
* Hinted at in the 1969 [[TheDoors Doors]] song "The Soft Parade", which, given the constant religious/mythological imagery in the lyrics, is probably meant to be a critique of religious traditions: "All our lives we sweat and save / Building for a shallow grave / Must be something else we say / Somehow to defend this place / Ev'rything must be this way."

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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''FiddlerOnTheRoof''
* Hinted at in the 1969 [[TheDoors [[Music/TheDoors Doors]] song "The Soft Parade", which, given the constant religious/mythological imagery in the lyrics, is probably meant to be a critique of religious traditions: "All our lives we sweat and save / Building for a shallow grave / Must be something else we say / Somehow to defend this place / Ev'rything must be this way."



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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''



** ''Winter Wrap Up'' has the ponies [[PaintingTheFrostOnWindows physically clearing out winter]], using plows to remove snow, bells to awaken hibernating birds, and etc. Spike even asks why they don't just use magic and Twilight points out that, even though that ''would'' be much easier and faster, since Ponyville was founded by earth ponies it's tradition to do it manually instead. Later on Twilight does cheat with magic and gets thoroughly chewed out by Applejack for it.
** ''Over A Barrel'' has this for the buffalo's entire motivation: They're upset that settler ponies built an orchard over their traditional stampeding grounds.

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** ''Winter "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E11WinterWrapUp Winter Wrap Up'' Up]]" has the ponies [[PaintingTheFrostOnWindows physically clearing out winter]], using plows to remove snow, bells to awaken hibernating birds, and etc. Spike even asks why they don't just use magic and Twilight points out that, even though that ''would'' be much easier and faster, since Ponyville was founded by earth ponies it's tradition to do it manually instead. Later on Twilight does cheat with magic and gets thoroughly chewed out by Applejack for it.
** ''Over "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E21OverABarrel Over A Barrel'' Barrel]]" has this for the buffalo's entire motivation: They're upset that settler ponies built an orchard over their traditional stampeding grounds.



* This is one of the main reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne and IndyCar haven't added much safer closed cockpits on their cars, along with the idea that closed cockpits would be more dangerous in certain situations (such as a car on its roof or on fire). The argument goes that we've always been able to see what the driver is doing while they're driving, and closing the cockpits would remove that and, with it, the spirit of open-wheel racing. However, [[FatalMethodActing a pair of deaths]] from head injuries sustained in open cockpit race cars in 2015 seems to be turning the tide in this regard.

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* This is one of the main reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne and IndyCar UsefulNotes/IndyCar haven't added much safer closed cockpits on their cars, along with the idea that closed cockpits would be more dangerous in certain situations (such as a car on its roof or on fire). The argument goes that we've always been able to see what the driver is doing while they're driving, and closing the cockpits would remove that and, with it, the spirit of open-wheel racing. However, [[FatalMethodActing a pair of deaths]] from head injuries sustained in open cockpit race cars in 2015 seems to be turning the tide in this regard.
3rd Jan '16 5:07:03 PM Darksilverhawk
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'', Liam Geakes tries to impose a new magic system on the magical community. It's not a good system. It's full of bugs and {{Weaksauce Weakness}}es. Naturally, they're not happy.

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'', ''ComicStrip/{{Nodwick}}'', Liam Geakes tries to impose a new magic system on the magical community. It's not a good system. It's full of bugs and {{Weaksauce Weakness}}es. Naturally, they're not happy.
24th Nov '15 7:51:13 PM Acebrock
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* This is one of the main reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne and IndyCar haven't added much safer closed cockpits on their cars, along with the idea that closed cockpits would be more dangerous in certain situations (such as a car on its roof or on fire). The argument goes that we've always been able to see what the driver is doing while they're driving, and closing the cockpits would remove that and, with it, the spirit of open-wheel racing. However, [[FatalMethodActing a pair of deaths]] from head injuries sustained in open cockpit race cars in 2015 seems to be turning the tide in this regard.
11th Nov '15 5:05:26 PM nombretomado
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* In ''RiversOfLondon'' DCI Nightingale's defence of TheMasquerade pretty much comes down to we've always done it this way. To say Peter is not impressed would be an understatement.

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* In ''RiversOfLondon'' ''Literature/RiversOfLondon'' DCI Nightingale's defence of TheMasquerade pretty much comes down to we've always done it this way. To say Peter is not impressed would be an understatement.
17th Sep '15 8:06:37 PM DarthLink22
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/YinYangYo'' had Indestructo-Bob beat up the King of Redneckistan, and due to tradition [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking he's now king]]. When Jobeaux and Yin show up to face him, Jobeaux is forbidden from using Woo Foo or getting help from Yin, since it's against tradition. Finally, Jobeaux just decides to ignore tradition, saying that if if it puts someone like Bob in charge, it's not worth following.
13th Aug '15 9:23:24 AM Premonition45
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The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight and GoodOldWays. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything.

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The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and GoodOldWays.NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything.
31st Jul '15 12:51:59 PM TheWanderer
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* Deconstructed in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', as the people of Spira rely solely on the tradition of the Grand Summoner and their pilgrimages in order to defeat [[EldritchAbomination Sin]] and bring about The Calm (the period in which the populace can live without fear of their villages being randomly destroyed by an [[BuffySpeak evil whale-thingy]]). However, this only lasts for a few months at most, so Sin would return again, and perpetuate the 'spiral of death' that the land is caught in. In addition, the [[TechnologyIsEvil machina-using]] Al Bhed, the only ones who challenge the ritual because of [[HeroicSacrifice what happens to the summoner in the process]], are ostracized by the rest of society, as they believe that Sin was born because of the use of machines. [[spoiler: And it turns out it was actually the traditional Summoner's sword that was allowing Sin to come back, among other factors]].

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* Deconstructed in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', as the people of Spira rely solely on the tradition of the Grand Summoner and their pilgrimages in order to defeat [[EldritchAbomination Sin]] and bring about The Calm (the period in which the populace can live without fear of their villages being randomly destroyed by an [[BuffySpeak evil whale-thingy]]). However, this only lasts for a few months years at most, (the most recent Calm having lasted about a decade) so Sin would return again, and perpetuate the 'spiral of death' that the land is caught in. In addition, the [[TechnologyIsEvil machina-using]] Al Bhed, the only ones who challenge the ritual because of [[HeroicSacrifice what happens to the summoner in the process]], are ostracized by the rest of society, as they believe that Sin was born because of the use of machines. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And it turns out it was actually the traditional Summoner's sword journey that was allowing Sin to come back, among other factors]].
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