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18th Jan '18 6:11:39 PM nombretomado
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* In ''FalloutNewVegas'', the Mojave branch of the Brotherhood Of Steel is on the verge of extinction because the leader refuses to break their long-standing tradition of isolationism, even though they havent been in contact with the main branch back in California for decades, and to keep enforcing it at this point is suicidal. This is mixed with HonorBeforeReason as the last he heard, the Brotherhood was at war with the NCR, which is also the biggest faction in the Mojave. There's also a purist faction thats even more hardline than he is, who wants to return to open hostility with other groups, even though they'd get overrun by sheer numbers. Elder [=McNamara=] is all too aware of this and he carries the burden with a stoic sadness.

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* In ''FalloutNewVegas'', ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', the Mojave branch of the Brotherhood Of Steel is on the verge of extinction because the leader refuses to break their long-standing tradition of isolationism, even though they havent been in contact with the main branch back in California for decades, and to keep enforcing it at this point is suicidal. This is mixed with HonorBeforeReason as the last he heard, the Brotherhood was at war with the NCR, which is also the biggest faction in the Mojave. There's also a purist faction thats even more hardline than he is, who wants to return to open hostility with other groups, even though they'd get overrun by sheer numbers. Elder [=McNamara=] is all too aware of this and he carries the burden with a stoic sadness.
19th Dec '17 11:03:24 PM DastardlyDemolition
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* In ''FalloutNewVegas'', the Mojave branch of the Brotherhood Of Steel is on the verge of extinction because the leader refuses to break their long-standing tradition of isolationism, even though they havent been in contact with the main branch back in California for decades, and to keep enforcing it at this point is suicidal. This is mixed with HonorBeforeReason as the last he heard, the Brotherhood was at war with the NCR, which is also the biggest faction in the Mojave. There's also a purist faction thats even more hardline than he is, who wants to return to open hostility with other groups, even though they'd get overrun by sheer numbers.

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* In ''FalloutNewVegas'', the Mojave branch of the Brotherhood Of Steel is on the verge of extinction because the leader refuses to break their long-standing tradition of isolationism, even though they havent been in contact with the main branch back in California for decades, and to keep enforcing it at this point is suicidal. This is mixed with HonorBeforeReason as the last he heard, the Brotherhood was at war with the NCR, which is also the biggest faction in the Mojave. There's also a purist faction thats even more hardline than he is, who wants to return to open hostility with other groups, even though they'd get overrun by sheer numbers. Elder [=McNamara=] is all too aware of this and he carries the burden with a stoic sadness.
20th Nov '17 3:10:53 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/{{Oathbringer}}'' (third book of ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive''): One of the causes for friction between Dalinar and the ardents is that he wants answers about the nature of the world and religion, while the ardents are insistent that religion is right because it is right and because it has been done this way for centuries. Dalinar tells a story about how he was taught to tie his takama (a shirt for sword duels) three times instead of two, and how his master refused to allow him to do it any other way, because that's how ''his'' master taught him. Dalinar found his master's master, and he said the same thing. Dalinar found that man's master, who was very short, and he just said that he tied it three times to keep himself from tripping over the end.
-->'''Dalinar:''' I love tradition. I've ''fought'' for tradition. I make my men follow the codes. I uphold Vorin virtues. But merely being tradition does not make something worthy, Kadash. We can't just assume that because something is ''old'' it is ''right''.
27th Oct '17 5:57:11 AM IdumeanPatriot
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* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', this is the main argument of the [[EvilReactionary Retroculture]] advocates. Since Western Civilization worked very well for three thousand years, and society has gone [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad down the drain]] in only a few decades after secularism and political correctness got started, the solution to all problems is [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope obviously]] to return to the tried and true values of the 19th century.
29th Jul '17 5:22:38 PM DarkHunter
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* ''Manga/AnatoliaStory'': This is one argument brought up when the Hittite Senate is debating over whether to allow Yuri (a commoner) to marry Kail Mursili (the emperor), since it is traditional that royalty only married nobility or other royalty. The trope is then defied by several other members of the Senate replying that tradition is not an absolute authority, and it is wise to either ignore or alter tradition when it is necessary. The debate soon turns to the ''practical'' pros and cons of having Yuri marry Kail.
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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''

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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJO35zU5bXg "Tradition"]] song from ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof''. The whole story is about the clash between tradition and changing times, and how to keep one's cultural identity while also keeping up with the times.
9th Apr '17 3:42:00 PM Josef5678
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' had Jay Sherman's stepsister being pressured by her mother into attending a debutante ball, insisting that she herself had come out as a debutante as a girl and it was important for the daughter to carry on the tradition. (Of course, an AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that the mother hated being a debutante, too, but can't stand the idea of her daughter having a better adolescence than she did, and so is determined to make her suffer.)

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* An ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'':
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episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' had Jay Sherman's stepsister being pressured by her mother into attending a debutante ball, insisting that she herself had come out as a debutante as a girl and it was important for the daughter to carry on the tradition. (Of course, an AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that the mother hated being a debutante, too, but can't stand the idea of her daughter having a better adolescence than she did, and so is determined to make her suffer.)



* This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist, even by the standards of pre-Civil War America (the flag consists of four white figures lynching a black one).
** Parodied in "Tooth Decay" with the Candian Royal Wedding ceremony which is interupted by the princess being kidnapped by an unseen monster, with the commentators biggest complaint that "this isnt traditional at all". The ceremony itself consists of an increasingly surreal and bizarre series of customs which the commentator gushes over about how traditional it all is.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'':
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This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist, even by the standards of pre-Civil War America (the flag consists of four white figures lynching a black one).
** Parodied in "Tooth Decay" with the Candian Canadian Royal Wedding ceremony which is interupted interrupted by the princess being kidnapped by an unseen monster, with the commentators biggest complaint that "this isnt isn't traditional at all". The ceremony itself consists of an increasingly surreal and bizarre series of customs which the commentator gushes over about how traditional it all is.
9th Apr '17 11:10:11 AM SilentStranger
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* In ''FalloutNewVegas'', the Mojave branch of the Brotherhood Of Steel is on the verge of extinction because the leader refuses to break their long-standing tradition of isolationism, even though they havent been in contact with the main branch back in California for decades, and to keep enforcing it at this point is suicidal. This is mixed with HonorBeforeReason as the last he heard, the Brotherhood was at war with the NCR, which is also the biggest faction in the Mojave. There's also a purist faction thats even more hardline than he is, who wants to return to open hostility with other groups, even though they'd get overrun by sheer numbers.



* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': Pepperidge fahhhrrrm remembers.

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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': One episode parodies the classic Pepperidge fahhhrrrm remembers.Farm commercial that relies on this trope to sell cookies. The commercial starts out the usual way, with the old man talking about all the old small-town traditions, then goes off on a tangent about the time the viewer killed someone and hid the body, and Pepperidge Farm remembers that too, but will keep quiet about it as long as you buy their cookies.



** This is a recurring theme for Jay's parents (mostly his mother, his father is too much of a Cloudcuckoolander to care either way), being part of classic U.S aristocracy.



* This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist.

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* This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist.racist, even by the standards of pre-Civil War America (the flag consists of four white figures lynching a black one).
** Parodied in "Tooth Decay" with the Candian Royal Wedding ceremony which is interupted by the princess being kidnapped by an unseen monster, with the commentators biggest complaint that "this isnt traditional at all". The ceremony itself consists of an increasingly surreal and bizarre series of customs which the commentator gushes over about how traditional it all is.
29th Mar '17 6:21:48 AM Couran
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** The Grey Wardens also ''refuse'' to research ''any'' new ways to fight darkspawn and end Blights, strictly adhering to the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the First Blight because... that's the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the very First Blight. As the series goes on more and more alternatives to the Warden's way of doing things have been discovered [[spoiler: prolonging Wardens' lives despite the taint, curing the Taint, stopping Blights without destroying the soul of an Old God in the process, etc]] but the Wardens adamantly refuse to break tradition.

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** The Grey Wardens can also ''refuse'' to research ''any'' new ways to fight darkspawn and end Blights, strictly adhering to the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the First Blight because... that's the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the very First Blight. Whether this happens is almost entirely up to the player's choices. As the series goes on more and more alternatives to the Warden's way of doing things have been discovered [[spoiler: prolonging Wardens' lives despite the taint, curing the Taint, stopping Blights without destroying the soul of an Old God in the process, etc]] but the Wardens may adamantly refuse to break tradition.tradition if the player's actions lead that way.
6th Mar '17 1:59:37 PM Angus_Old
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* Blue Bell claims to "taste just like the good old days." Its commercials also include a lot of old timey things.
* In TheSeventies and TheEighties, all three American car manufacturers at various times used this to sell outdated models.
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* Blue Bell claims to "taste just like the good old days." Its commercials also include a lot of old timey things.
* In TheSeventies and TheEighties, all three American car manufacturers at various times used this to sell outdated models.
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3rd Mar '17 5:45:03 PM TheBigBopper
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One thing that looks like this fallacy but is not: If a novelty is logically inconsistent with what the reformer is ostensibly setting out to do. If a would-be religious reformer attempts to change doctrines on which the entire religion rests, then his opponents are right to point out that he does not seek reform, but rather the complete destruction of that religion.



Looks like this fallacy but is not:
If a novelty is logically inconsistent with what the reformer is ostensibly setting out to do. If a would-be religious reformer attempts to change doctrines on which the entire religion rests, then his opponents are right to point out that he does not seek reform, but rather the complete destruction of that religion.
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