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9th Apr '17 3:42:00 PM Josef5678
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' had Jay Sherman's stepsister being pressured by her mother into attending a debutante ball, insisting that she herself had come out as a debutante as a girl and it was important for the daughter to carry on the tradition. (Of course, an AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that the mother hated being a debutante, too, but can't stand the idea of her daughter having a better adolescence than she did, and so is determined to make her suffer.)

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* An ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'':
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episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' had Jay Sherman's stepsister being pressured by her mother into attending a debutante ball, insisting that she herself had come out as a debutante as a girl and it was important for the daughter to carry on the tradition. (Of course, an AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that the mother hated being a debutante, too, but can't stand the idea of her daughter having a better adolescence than she did, and so is determined to make her suffer.)



* This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist, even by the standards of pre-Civil War America (the flag consists of four white figures lynching a black one).
** Parodied in "Tooth Decay" with the Candian Royal Wedding ceremony which is interupted by the princess being kidnapped by an unseen monster, with the commentators biggest complaint that "this isnt traditional at all". The ceremony itself consists of an increasingly surreal and bizarre series of customs which the commentator gushes over about how traditional it all is.

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This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist, even by the standards of pre-Civil War America (the flag consists of four white figures lynching a black one).
** Parodied in "Tooth Decay" with the Candian Canadian Royal Wedding ceremony which is interupted interrupted by the princess being kidnapped by an unseen monster, with the commentators biggest complaint that "this isnt isn't traditional at all". The ceremony itself consists of an increasingly surreal and bizarre series of customs which the commentator gushes over about how traditional it all is.
9th Apr '17 11:10:11 AM SilentStranger
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* In ''FalloutNewVegas'', the Mojave branch of the Brotherhood Of Steel is on the verge of extinction because the leader refuses to break their long-standing tradition of isolationism, even though they havent been in contact with the main branch back in California for decades, and to keep enforcing it at this point is suicidal. This is mixed with HonorBeforeReason as the last he heard, the Brotherhood was at war with the NCR, which is also the biggest faction in the Mojave. There's also a purist faction thats even more hardline than he is, who wants to return to open hostility with other groups, even though they'd get overrun by sheer numbers.



* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': Pepperidge fahhhrrrm remembers.

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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': One episode parodies the classic Pepperidge fahhhrrrm remembers.Farm commercial that relies on this trope to sell cookies. The commercial starts out the usual way, with the old man talking about all the old small-town traditions, then goes off on a tangent about the time the viewer killed someone and hid the body, and Pepperidge Farm remembers that too, but will keep quiet about it as long as you buy their cookies.



** This is a recurring theme for Jay's parents (mostly his mother, his father is too much of a Cloudcuckoolander to care either way), being part of classic U.S aristocracy.



* This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist.

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* This was the crux of Uncle Jimbo's argument against changing the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' town flag, despite the fact that the flag was extremely racist.racist, even by the standards of pre-Civil War America (the flag consists of four white figures lynching a black one).
** Parodied in "Tooth Decay" with the Candian Royal Wedding ceremony which is interupted by the princess being kidnapped by an unseen monster, with the commentators biggest complaint that "this isnt traditional at all". The ceremony itself consists of an increasingly surreal and bizarre series of customs which the commentator gushes over about how traditional it all is.
29th Mar '17 6:21:48 AM Couran
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** The Grey Wardens also ''refuse'' to research ''any'' new ways to fight darkspawn and end Blights, strictly adhering to the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the First Blight because... that's the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the very First Blight. As the series goes on more and more alternatives to the Warden's way of doing things have been discovered [[spoiler: prolonging Wardens' lives despite the taint, curing the Taint, stopping Blights without destroying the soul of an Old God in the process, etc]] but the Wardens adamantly refuse to break tradition.

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** The Grey Wardens can also ''refuse'' to research ''any'' new ways to fight darkspawn and end Blights, strictly adhering to the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the First Blight because... that's the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the very First Blight. Whether this happens is almost entirely up to the player's choices. As the series goes on more and more alternatives to the Warden's way of doing things have been discovered [[spoiler: prolonging Wardens' lives despite the taint, curing the Taint, stopping Blights without destroying the soul of an Old God in the process, etc]] but the Wardens may adamantly refuse to break tradition.tradition if the player's actions lead that way.
6th Mar '17 1:59:37 PM Angus_Old
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* Blue Bell claims to "taste just like the good old days." Its commercials also include a lot of old timey things.
* In TheSeventies and TheEighties, all three American car manufacturers at various times used this to sell outdated models.
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* Blue Bell claims to "taste just like the good old days." Its commercials also include a lot of old timey things.
* In TheSeventies and TheEighties, all three American car manufacturers at various times used this to sell outdated models.
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3rd Mar '17 5:45:03 PM TheBigBopper
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One thing that looks like this fallacy but is not: If a novelty is logically inconsistent with what the reformer is ostensibly setting out to do. If a would-be religious reformer attempts to change doctrines on which the entire religion rests, then his opponents are right to point out that he does not seek reform, but rather the complete destruction of that religion.



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If a novelty is logically inconsistent with what the reformer is ostensibly setting out to do. If a would-be religious reformer attempts to change doctrines on which the entire religion rests, then his opponents are right to point out that he does not seek reform, but rather the complete destruction of that religion.
28th Feb '17 7:54:08 PM Give1Take2
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* Deconstructed in ''Franchise/DragonAge'', where several ancient cultures and empires are on the verge of crumbling, but refuse to change their ways because "tradition."
** The last two remaining dwarven kingdoms refuse to leave the underground despite being stuck in a ForeverWar with the Darkspawn, nor loosen their rigid and oppressive caste system that contributes to their decline[[note]]The caste system only allows nobles and warriors to fight darkspawn, restricts social mobility since lower castes can only be raised to the status of their spouse if they have a child of the same gender as the higher caste parent, and castless are forbidden from meaningfully contributing to Orzammar society at all, whether fighting the darkspawn or making/polishing the weapons for warriors to fight with[[/note]]), just because "this is the way it's always been."
** Tevinter similarly refuses to loosen its restrictive caste and slavery system, even though doing so would prevent them from crumbling as they are.
** Most elves refuse to give up trying to reclaim or keep alive their lost ancient culture after being conquered and enslaved by humans twice, though the Dalish take it to greater extremes.
** The Grey Wardens also ''refuse'' to research ''any'' new ways to fight darkspawn and end Blights, strictly adhering to the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the First Blight because... that's the way the first Grey Wardens did it in the very First Blight. As the series goes on more and more alternatives to the Warden's way of doing things have been discovered [[spoiler: prolonging Wardens' lives despite the taint, curing the Taint, stopping Blights without destroying the soul of an Old God in the process, etc]] but the Wardens adamantly refuse to break tradition.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': During the City Elf Origin, if you ask your father why you have to enter an ArrangedMarriage, he responds, "Tradition, child!"
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': After a huge magical explosion kills off all the major religious leaders of the world and creates a giant demon-raining hole in the sky, the Chantry refuses to deal with said demon-raining hole in the sky first, arguing that it is more important to follow tradition by electing a new Divine first (which could take months) and ''then'' following her orders on the subject. The game essentially opens with the PlayerCharacter and a handful of declared heretics starting their own religious organization (the Inquisition) to deal with the new problem since the Chantry's old traditional way (lots of political grand-standing and bureaucratic procedure) would be too slow and address the world-shattering crisis too late.
19th Feb '17 10:29:58 PM Eievie
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!!'''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition Appeal To Tradition]]''':
!!! Also called
* Appeal to Antiquity.
* "We've Always Done It This Way."

The polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything. Quite similar to AppealToNature.

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Tradition]]--also called "Appeal to Antiquity.
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Antiquity", or "We've Always Done It This Way."

The
Way,"--is the polar opposite of AppealToNovelty, where the ''older'' position is right. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, NostalgiaFilter, OlderIsBetter, LuddWasRight, GoodOldWays, and NewMediaAreEvil. This tends to be rolled out regarding consumer products and morality; in the former case, they don't make 'em like they used to, and in the latter, it was better in the good ol' days. Old ways do tend to be workable, or they don't become old ways in the first place; what makes this a fallacy is the unstated assumption that no better way is possible. See also CultureJustifiesAnything. Quite similar to AppealToNature.






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* Blue Bell claims to 'taste just like the good old days'. Its commercials also include a lot of old timey things.

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* [[Music/WeirdAlYankovic Weird Al's]] song "Weasel Stomping Day" is about a FictionalHoliday where people spread mayonnaise on their lawns, then put on viking helmets and hiking boots in order to crush weasels to death. Complete with tongue-in-cheek lyrics such as "It's tradition, that makes it okay" in order to mock the idea that an abhorrent act is acceptable if it is 'traditional'.

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* [[Music/WeirdAlYankovic Weird Al's]] song "Weasel Stomping Day" is about a FictionalHoliday where people spread mayonnaise on their lawns, then put on viking helmets and hiking boots in order to crush weasels to death. Complete with tongue-in-cheek lyrics such as "It's tradition, that makes it okay" in order to mock the idea that an abhorrent act is acceptable if it is 'traditional'."traditional."






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* ''TabletopGame/BleakWorld'' has the Blood Governors suicidally sticking to the ancient tradition of [[TheMasquerade Vampire Secrecy]] every other organization other than the BrainwashedAndCrazy Society of [[LesbianVampire Lesbian Vampires]] prefers to give up the secrecy and live among humans as equals.

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* ''TabletopGame/BleakWorld'' has the Blood Governors suicidally sticking to the ancient tradition of [[TheMasquerade Vampire Secrecy]] every other organization other than the BrainwashedAndCrazy Society of [[LesbianVampire Lesbian Vampires]] {{Lesbian Vampire}}s prefers to give up the secrecy and live among humans as equals.
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E21OverABarrel Over A Barrel]]" has this for the buffalo's entire motivation: They're upset that settler ponies built an orchard over their traditional stampeding grounds.

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16th Dec '16 4:30:23 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': This is Hizdahr's main explanation for the brutality of the fighting pits.
13th Aug '16 9:10:47 AM Roland_Dhalgren
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E15TheCartBeforeThePonies The Cart Before the Ponies]]" has Applejack pulling this argument to an absurd degree on Apple Bloom when she wants to build the fastest cart and not the most traditional one. She doesn't really give a reason for wanting a traditional cart aside from, well, that's what the Apples have always done.
12th Aug '16 7:46:42 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/{{Rome}}'': Lucius Vorenus (a commoner) brings this up when he's a guest at the Julii household and Atia (an aristocrat) asks him what he thinks of the institutional problems of the Roman Republic. He skirts the issue of reform with an appeal to the longevity of the republic.

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