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11th Jan '18 10:07:02 AM eroock
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31st Dec '17 1:51:49 PM StarSword
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* {{Deconstructed}} in ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'': The Empire's continual use of this trope typically just engendered ''more'' resistance to their rule. As stated by Leia in ''Film/ANewHope'': "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
** In ''Literature/TheHanSoloTrilogy'', one of Han's SpaceCadetAcademy classmates defected to the Rebellion after the Empire put down a peaceful protest by [[WeaponizedExhaust incinerating it with a starship's engines]].
** In ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'', Imperial Intelligence Director Ysanne Isard's increasingly brutal tactics after the New Republic captures Coruscant from her gradually alienate the very allies she needs to maintain her grip on power. One remarks that a soldier working for Isard had just two outcomes: death by the Rebels, or death by ''her''.
** Called out directly by a disguised Grand Admiral Thrawn in ''Literature/TatooineGhost''. As an object lesson to an overly zealous stormtrooper commander who had tortured civilians, Thrawn punches him out and then asks him if that made him like Thrawn better. He then states that the new doctrine of the Imperial Remnant isn't ever-increasing brutality, it's PragmaticVillainy. As shown in ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'' (written earlier but set about a year later), while Thrawn ''is'' willing to be a BadBoss who [[YouHaveFailedMe executes subordinates for failure]] and even depopulate entire planets if he finds it necessary, he ''does'' carefully weigh the practical pros and cons beforehand: the subordinate he killed on screen had failed due to incompetence and then tried to pin it on his supervising officer (and in a CallBack to this incident, he later ''promotes'' another man for being creative when faced with a similar problem, even though the attempt failed).
31st Dec '17 1:24:46 PM StarSword
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* ''Franchise/StarWars Episode V: Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Vader keeps [[MovingTheGoalposts changing the terms]] with Lando, knowing that with the Empire holding all the cards, he doesn't have to keep his word.
--> "I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further."
** In the original, we get this played painfully straight in the case of Alderaan.
** The third film also shows that thermal detonators (literally handheld fusion explosives) make for great negotiation tools.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars Episode V: Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', ''Franchise/StarWars'':
** ''Film/ANewHope'': The Death Star was explicitly built for this purpose, as Grand Moff Tarkin explains: a planet that refuses to submit to the rule of the Empire will be destroyed. Demonstrated when Tarkin threatens to destroy Princess Leia's home planet of Alderaan if she doesn't give him the location of the Rebel base... [[KickTheDog and then blows it up anyway to prove to every other planet that he can carry the threat out]].
** ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Darth
Vader keeps [[MovingTheGoalposts changing the terms]] with Lando, Lando Calrissian, knowing that with the Empire holding all the cards, he doesn't have to keep his word.
--> "I
word. [[spoiler:[[VillainBall This backfires]], as Lando decides that if Vader won't keep his word to him, then he's got no reason to hold up his end, either, and so helps Leia and Chewbacca escape.]]
--->'''Darth Vader:''' I
am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further."
any further.
** In the original, we get this played painfully straight in the case of Alderaan.
** The third film also
''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' shows that thermal detonators (literally handheld nuclear fusion explosives) grenades) make for great negotiation tools.tools.
** ''Film/TheLastJedi'': Kylo Ren and General Hux are arguing about who gets to be Supreme Leader of the First Order with [[spoiler:Snoke dead]]. By which we mean, Kylo Ren says he's Supreme Leader, Hux starts to argue about it, and Ren gives him a ForceChoke to shut him up. ([[StealthPun Which makes this]] Appeal to TheForce...)
6th Dec '17 8:27:20 PM Vir
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** In the 3rd season episode "War is the H word", Bender has THE BOMB implanted inside his body and it will ''detonate the instant the robot unwittingly speaks a certain word'', wiping out an entire planet. It's the one word he uses more than any other: [[spoiler:ASS]]. After finding that out he starts a game of "Make Bender happy or he blows up the planet!".

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** In the 3rd season episode "War is the H word", H-word", Bender has THE BOMB a bomb implanted inside his body and it will ''detonate "detonate the instant the robot unwittingly speaks a certain word'', word", wiping out an entire planet. It's the one word he uses more than any other: [[spoiler:ASS]]. After finding that out he starts a game of "Make Bender happy or he blows up the planet!".



* In the Finnish political satire ''WesternAnimation/{{Itsevaltiaat}}'', the Finnish government finds an abandoned handheld nuclear bomb. In the next EU meeting, the Finnish president tries to speak, but is constantly interrupted and ignored. The Finnish PM proceeds to pull the nuke out of his case and demand attention. Later his government comrades call him out.

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* In the Finnish political satire ''WesternAnimation/{{Itsevaltiaat}}'', the Finnish government finds an abandoned handheld nuclear bomb. In the next EU meeting, the Finnish president tries to speak, speak but is constantly interrupted and ignored. The Finnish PM proceeds to pull the nuke out of his case and demand attention. Later his government comrades call him out.
27th Nov '17 2:50:52 PM Narsil
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* A rare one-man example is Julius Caesar, who proceeded to conquer Gaul despite the Roman Senate's protests that doing so was both unnecessary and illegal. He then went on to use his army to force them to appoint him dictator. Once Caesar had shown that power, not the laws of the state, determined who controlled Rome, he set the stage for the state of Roman politics for centuries to come.

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* ** A rare one-man example is Julius Caesar, who proceeded to conquer Gaul despite the Roman Senate's protests that doing so was both unnecessary and illegal. He then went on to use his army to force them to appoint him dictator. Once Caesar had shown that power, not the laws of the state, determined who controlled Rome, he set the stage for the state of Roman politics for centuries to come.come.
** The Romans had sharp memories of being on the other side of this, though. In the semi-legendary past, the Gauls sacked almost all of Rome, and agreed to spare what was left in exchange for a ransom of 1,000 pounds of gold. A balance scale was brought out to weigh the ransom. When the Romans complained that the Gauls were using dishonest weights, the Gaulish chieftain threw his sword onto the scale with the words ''"Vae victis"'' ("woe to the vanquished").
20th Nov '17 2:16:25 PM DavidDelony
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* "Rubber-hose cryptanalysis," or torturing someone to get a password or other security key out of them.

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* "Rubber-hose cryptanalysis," or torturing someone to get a password or other security key out of them. Without torture, people may be compelled by law enforcement to unlock devices, such as when crossing a border or they are a suspect in a criminal case.
20th Nov '17 2:14:31 PM DavidDelony
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* "Rubber-hose cryptanalysis," or torturing someone to get a password or other security key out of them.
18th Nov '17 12:17:12 PM WillKeaton
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* Subverted in ''Manga/GetBackers''' IL arc: TheHacker Makube X tries to threaten the {{God}} of Infinity Fortress with a literal nuke (not concerned about the fact that Tokyo would be destroyed in the process) but is defeated by the titular heroes. As [[DudeLooksLikeALady Kazuki]] points out, it never would have worked- no matter how powerful you are, {{God}} always holds all the cards.

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* Subverted in ''Manga/GetBackers''' IL arc: TheHacker The hacker Makube X tries to threaten the {{God}} of Infinity Fortress with a literal nuke (not concerned about the fact that Tokyo would be destroyed in the process) but is defeated by the titular heroes. As [[DudeLooksLikeALady Kazuki]] points out, it never would have worked- no matter how powerful you are, {{God}} always holds all the cards.
15th Nov '17 6:15:20 PM BattleMaster
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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' runs on this trope. Even the more idealistic lords of the Successor States have planets they keep in line only because they're the ones with the [[HumongousMecha Battlemechs]]. And of course the [[ProudWarriorRace Clans]] and space pirates operate this way by default. The Clans' [[DuelsDecideEverything justice system]] is even based on this.
11th Oct '17 3:16:38 AM iroanxi
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* ''Fanfic/ForumOfThrones'': This is implied to be Hobert's back-up plan in case he would not manage to secure Raylansfair for House Lowther. The presence of Argella Durrandon and her troops kind of ruined this plan for him, but even without her, it is highly questionable if it would have ever succeeded.
** Aegon Targaryen has absolutely no legal right to the kingdoms of Westeros. However, what he does have are three adult dragons, capable of raining fire and death down on the woefully underequipped Westerosi armies, establishing him as a major power player only weeks after his landing.
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