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19th Jun '16 12:03:21 AM Doug86
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* In an inverse of this trope, Comicbook/GreenLantern Hal Jordan inexplicably [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] during the ''Emerald Twilight'' arc and the role of "original hero" as described by the intro was played by his replacement Kyle Rayner.

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* In an inverse of this trope, Comicbook/GreenLantern Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan inexplicably [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]] during the ''Emerald Twilight'' arc and the role of "original hero" as described by the intro was played by his replacement Kyle Rayner.
28th May '16 4:58:56 PM LeifEriksson
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* Since ''Manga/Jojos Bizarre Adventure'' changes protagonists every part, this was bound to happen. The goofy and cheerful Joseph Jostar is replaced with the emotionally distant and serious Jotaro Kujo.
19th May '16 6:39:28 PM Doug86
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* Intentionally done again in the '90s, when the ComicBook/FantasticFour were [[ComicBookDeath presumed dead]], and SpiderMan, {{Wolverine}}, [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk]], and Comicbook/GhostRider took their places, swearing to avenge the heroes' deaths. Only three of the four were really {{Anti Hero}}es, but the extremely ill-suited-for-eachother group fought amongst themselves so much and were so bad at emulating the FF's legendary teamwork that Spidey was pretty much ineffectual in getting them to shape up and the whole team made the Fantastic Four's dysfunctional family dynamics look incredibly well-adjusted by comparison.

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* Intentionally done again in the '90s, when the ComicBook/FantasticFour were [[ComicBookDeath presumed dead]], and SpiderMan, {{Wolverine}}, Franchise/SpiderMan, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk]], and Comicbook/GhostRider took their places, swearing to avenge the heroes' deaths. Only three of the four were really {{Anti Hero}}es, but the extremely ill-suited-for-eachother group fought amongst themselves so much and were so bad at emulating the FF's legendary teamwork that Spidey was pretty much ineffectual in getting them to shape up and the whole team made the Fantastic Four's dysfunctional family dynamics look incredibly well-adjusted by comparison.



* [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig-zagged]] for SpiderMan in ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. The original aim of the series, itself a continuation of a Silver Age storyline, was an attempt to roll back the creeping cynicism of the nineties. Whilst Peter Parker continued to spiral ever downward into depression and anger, [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] was introduced as a LighterAndSofter Spider-Man with the same set of memories as the original, a powerful statement of just how far Peter had fallen.

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* [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig-zagged]] for SpiderMan Franchise/SpiderMan in ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. The original aim of the series, itself a continuation of a Silver Age storyline, was an attempt to roll back the creeping cynicism of the nineties. Whilst Peter Parker continued to spiral ever downward into depression and anger, [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] was introduced as a LighterAndSofter Spider-Man with the same set of memories as the original, a powerful statement of just how far Peter had fallen.
7th May '16 11:30:45 AM Zyffyr
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->'''Robin:''' [[WhatTheHellHero The old Batman would never descend to this level!]]\\
'''Azrael-As-Batman:''' [[GoodIsOldFashioned The old Batman was created for older times.]]

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->'''Robin:''' [[WhatTheHellHero The old Batman would never descend to this level!]]\\
level!\\
'''Azrael-As-Batman:''' [[GoodIsOldFashioned The old Batman was created for older times.]]
29th Apr '16 11:16:17 PM sorako
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** EP 5 replaces [[spoiler:Battler himself]] for [[spoiler:Furudo Erika]]. It's played with irony considering the second is more or less an aspect of the BigBad and Battler is not incapacitated and actively fighting against the change.

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** EP 5 replaces [[spoiler:Battler himself]] for [[spoiler:Furudo Erika]]. It's played with irony considering the second is more or less an aspect of the BigBad and Battler is not incapacitated and actively fighting the against the change.
29th Apr '16 11:15:48 PM sorako
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** EP 5 replaces [[spoiler:Battler himself]] for [[spoiler:Furudo Erika]]. It's played with irony considering the second is more or less an aspect of the BigBad and Battler is not incapacitated and actively fighting the against change.

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** EP 5 replaces [[spoiler:Battler himself]] for [[spoiler:Furudo Erika]]. It's played with irony considering the second is more or less an aspect of the BigBad and Battler is not incapacitated and actively fighting the against the change.
29th Apr '16 11:14:53 PM sorako
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* ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'' has a [[spoiler: Villainous example. Beatrice gave her title to Eva's hidden personality. When Eva-Beatrice was acting like a monster all-time, Beato get a few PetTheDog moments, and got to make a HeroicSacrifice, after realizing her mistakes. Then it's revealed it was all a clever BatmanGambit she put in order to make Battler admit she's a witch.]]
** EP 5 replaces [[spoiler:Battler himself]] for [[spoiler:Furudo Erika]]. It's played with irony considering the second is more or less an aspect of the BigBad and Battler is not incapacitated and actively fighting the against change.
** Considering the replacement's personality? Definitely, at least, invoked. [[spoiler: And now she's dead. In fact, she may have never been alive...]]


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* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'':
** Villainous example. Beatrice gave her title to Eva's hidden personality. When Eva-Beatrice was acting like a monster all-time, Beato get a few PetTheDog moments, and got to make a HeroicSacrifice, after realizing her mistakes. Then it's revealed [[spoiler:it was all a clever BatmanGambit she put in order to make Battler admit she's a witch.]]
** EP 5 replaces [[spoiler:Battler himself]] for [[spoiler:Furudo Erika]]. It's played with irony considering the second is more or less an aspect of the BigBad and Battler is not incapacitated and actively fighting the against change.
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22nd Apr '16 2:05:50 PM nighttrainfm
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** Also, in the ''WesternAnimation/Justice League'' mini-arc 'Hereafter', after Superman vanishes from the face of the planet after Toyman manages to pull of a successful attack on him, '''''Lobo''''', of all people, tries to step in as his replacement.

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** Also, in the ''WesternAnimation/Justice League'' ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' mini-arc 'Hereafter', after Superman vanishes from the face of the planet after Toyman manages to pull of a successful attack on him, '''''Lobo''''', of all people, tries to step in as his replacement.
22nd Apr '16 2:05:36 PM nighttrainfm
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** Also, in the ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'' mini-arc 'Hereafter', after Superman vanishes from the face of the planet after Toyman manages to pull of a successful attack on him, '''''Lobo''''', of all people, tries to step in as his replacement.

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** Also, in the ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'' ''WesternAnimation/Justice League'' mini-arc 'Hereafter', after Superman vanishes from the face of the planet after Toyman manages to pull of a successful attack on him, '''''Lobo''''', of all people, tries to step in as his replacement.
22nd Apr '16 2:05:15 PM nighttrainfm
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** Superboy isn't a great example of this, as he simply claimed to be a clone of Superman (he was essentially telling the truth) and was more of a [[AntiHero Disney Anti-Hero]] at worst, with wisecracks, flirtations, and only the occasional blowup (usually when someone called him "Superboy"). It wasn't until later incarnations, such as the animated ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' and the New 52, where he became an AngryYoungMan, yet the Reign of the Supermen angle was abandoned anyway.

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** Superboy isn't a great example of this, as he simply claimed to be a clone of Superman (he was essentially telling the truth) and was more of a [[AntiHero Disney Anti-Hero]] at worst, with wisecracks, flirtations, and only the occasional blowup (usually when someone called him "Superboy"). It wasn't until later incarnations, such as the animated ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' and the New 52, where he became an AngryYoungMan, more of a bad boy, yet the Reign of the Supermen angle was abandoned anyway.
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