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15th Apr '18 12:01:20 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* In TheEighties, Steve Rogers, the original ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, was replaced by John Walker, a NinetiesAntiHero version of himself. To his credit, Walker did eventually make an honest effort to emulate Rogers' ethics until the ComicBook/RedSkull completed his manipulation of him. When Rogers regained the mantle, Walker continued operating as the U.S.Agent. In something of an inversion from the previous examples, the DarkerAndEdgier Walker wore the classic red, white, and blue Cap outfit, while Steve took up a black costume and shield as The Captain.

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In TheEighties, Steve Rogers, the original ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, Captain America, was replaced by John Walker, a NinetiesAntiHero version of himself. To his credit, Walker did eventually make an honest effort to emulate Rogers' ethics until the ComicBook/RedSkull completed his manipulation of him. When Rogers regained the mantle, Walker continued operating as the U.S.Agent. In something of an inversion from the previous examples, the DarkerAndEdgier Walker wore the classic red, white, and blue Cap outfit, while Steve took up a black costume and shield as The Captain.



* Happened to Franchise/TheFlash with [[FanNickname Dark Flash]] a mysterious characted that turned out to be an alternate universe version of Wally that didn't allow himself to cross the speed threshhold necessary to save Linda Park in a previous story. He wore a darker outfit and was a little more brutal.

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Happened to Franchise/TheFlash Wally West with [[FanNickname Dark Flash]] Flash]], a mysterious characted character that turned out to be an alternate universe version of Wally that didn't allow himself to cross the speed threshhold necessary who went by Walter. Unlike Walter, Wally wasn't able to save Linda Park in a previous story. his equivalent of the ComicBook/TerminalVelocity story, and received some training under his universe's Savitar (a villain Wally defeated) before killing him. After Wally and Linda end up in his world, both were seemingly killed by Abra Kadabra, and Walter swore to avenge them. He wore started wearing a darker outfit and travelled to the main DC Universe. He was distrusting of other heroes and didn't reveal his identity to all but a select few, and was a little bit more brutal.brutal in his methods. When Wally and Linda return, Walter is forced to leave, as he and Wally couldn't occupy the same universe for too long.
** Future Flash was a Barry Allen from a future timeline. He wore a blue outfit and killed his villains, because his failure to save the new Wally West resulted in him snapping and travelling back through time. Notably, he killed his villains on his way back, even though his plan would mean their actions wouldn't happen anyway. He fought the main Barry, who eventually got stuck in the Speed Force, and Future Flash took his place for a while. He eventually died.
6th Mar '18 11:47:29 AM priestessofdan
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** Cheerful and lovable circus brat Dick Grayson was replaced by cheerful and lovable circus brat Jason Todd in the early 80s. Then, post-Crisis, in a rare case of a character being replaced by an AntiHero version ''of himself,'' Jason Todd was retcon'd into an abrasive former street thug. He also spent a bit of time as a psychopathic version of ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}. Also, during the ''Battle for the Cowl'' event, Jason would also take up the mantle of Batman after [[spoiler: his apparent death]] and became a gun-wielding psychopath. He was played as the villain of the story, however.

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** Cheerful and lovable circus brat Dick Grayson was replaced by cheerful and lovable circus brat Jason Todd in the early 80s. Then, post-Crisis, in a rare case of a character being replaced by an AntiHero version ''of himself,'' Jason Todd was retcon'd into an abrasive former eleven-year-old street thug. He kid who jacked the wheels off the Batmobile.
** Following his death and resurrection, he
also spent a bit of time as a psychopathic version of ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}. Also, Then, during the ''Battle for the Cowl'' event, Jason would also take up the mantle of Batman after [[spoiler: his apparent death]] and became a gun-wielding psychopath. He was played as the villain of the story, however.
23rd Feb '18 2:16:22 AM LondonKdS
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Promethea}}'', Stacia and Grace take over from Sophie as a SplitPersonalityTeam to be Promethea in the physical world during Sophie's quest into the Immateria. They have a somewhat more violent and hedonistic attitude to things, and end up fighting with Sophie when she gets back.
15th Feb '18 10:55:01 AM GrigorII
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* [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} The Watchmen]] are, for all intents and purposes, Anti Hero Substitutes for several established DC heroes. Rorschach is the Anti Hero Substitute for The Question, Doctor Manhattan is the Anti Hero Substitute for Captain Atom, The Comedian is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peacemaker, Silhouette is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Nightshade, Nite Owl is the Anti Hero Substitute for Blue Beetle, Ozymandias is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peter Cannon, and Silk Spectre is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Phantom Lady and Black Canary.
30th Jan '18 11:27:11 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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** The Eighth Doctor sat on the sidelines during the Time War, a major interstellar conflict set in-between the classic series and the revamp. He eventually killed himself using a drug/poison that was specifically formulated to give Time Lords more-than-usual conscious control over the nature of their next self, becoming the "War Doctor", played by Creator/JohnHurt, who was specifically crafted by his former self to be a person who would [[ShootTheDog do anything necessary]] to end the war. What the War Doctor eventually did led to his subsequent selves refusing to even consider him deserving of being called "the Doctor", to the point that it's strongly implied that he is the one thing in the universe that Eleven is most frightened of.\\\

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** The Eighth Doctor sat on the sidelines during the Time War, a major interstellar conflict set in-between the classic series and the revamp. He eventually killed himself using a drug/poison Upon learning that an seemingly fatal incident he was involved in actually was fatal, meaning that [[YouAreAlreadyDead he was already dead]], he chose to drink an elixir that was specifically formulated to give Time Lords more-than-usual conscious control over the nature of their next self, becoming the "War Doctor", played by Creator/JohnHurt, who was specifically crafted by his former self to be a person who would [[ShootTheDog do anything necessary]] to end the war. What the War Doctor eventually did led to his subsequent selves refusing to even consider him deserving of being called "the Doctor", to the point that it's strongly implied that he is the one thing in the universe that Eleven is most frightened of.\\\
28th Jan '18 9:47:21 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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27th Jan '18 2:40:26 PM MysticStarLover1221
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3rd Dec '17 1:06:59 PM observer234
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* [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} The Watchmen]] are, for all intents and purposes, Anti Hero Substitutes for several established DC heroes. Rorschach is the Anti Hero Substitute for The Question, Doctor Manhattan is the Anti Hero Substitute for Captain Atom, The Comedian is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peacemaker, Silhouette is the Anti Hero Subatitute for Nightshade, Nite Owl is the Anti Hero Substitute for Blue Beetle, Ozymandias is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peter Cannon, and Silk Spectre is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Phantom Lady and Black Canary.

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* [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} The Watchmen]] are, for all intents and purposes, Anti Hero Substitutes for several established DC heroes. Rorschach is the Anti Hero Substitute for The Question, Doctor Manhattan is the Anti Hero Substitute for Captain Atom, The Comedian is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peacemaker, Silhouette is the Anti Hero Subatitute Heroine Substitute for Nightshade, Nite Owl is the Anti Hero Substitute for Blue Beetle, Ozymandias is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peter Cannon, and Silk Spectre is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Phantom Lady and Black Canary.
3rd Dec '17 1:06:07 PM observer234
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[[ComicBook/Watchmen The Watchmen]] are, for all intents and purposes, Anti Hero Substitutes for several established DC heroes. Rorschach is the Anti Hero Substitute for The Question, Doctor Manhattan is the Anti Hero Substitute for Captain Atom, The Comedian is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peacemaker, Silhouette is the Anti Hero Subatitute for Nightshade, Nite Owl is the Anti Hero Substitute for Blue Beetle, Ozymandias is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peter Cannon, and Silk Spectre is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Phantom Lady and Black Canary.

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[[ComicBook/Watchmen *[[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} The Watchmen]] are, for all intents and purposes, Anti Hero Substitutes for several established DC heroes. Rorschach is the Anti Hero Substitute for The Question, Doctor Manhattan is the Anti Hero Substitute for Captain Atom, The Comedian is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peacemaker, Silhouette is the Anti Hero Subatitute for Nightshade, Nite Owl is the Anti Hero Substitute for Blue Beetle, Ozymandias is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peter Cannon, and Silk Spectre is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Phantom Lady and Black Canary.
3rd Dec '17 1:05:04 PM observer234
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[[ComicBook/Watchmen The Watchmen]] are, for all intents and purposes, Anti Hero Substitutes for several established DC heroes. Rorschach is the Anti Hero Substitute for The Question, Doctor Manhattan is the Anti Hero Substitute for Captain Atom, The Comedian is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peacemaker, Silhouette is the Anti Hero Subatitute for Nightshade, Nite Owl is the Anti Hero Substitute for Blue Beetle, Ozymandias is the Anti Hero Substitute for Peter Cannon, and Silk Spectre is the Anti Heroine Substitute for Phantom Lady and Black Canary.
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