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1st Aug '17 7:48:26 AM nighttrainfm
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-->'''Narrator:''' Behold the War Thor, and prepare to bleed.
1st Aug '17 7:45:53 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor:

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** As of 2017, there are ''three'' Thors running around. The Odinson himself, Jane Foster (wielding Mjolnir), and the "War Thor" - a traumatised [[spoiler: Volstagg]] wielding Ultimate Thor's hammer. The first two are straightforward heroes, but the third is very much this.

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** As of 2017, mid-2017, there are ''three'' Thors running around. The Odinson himself, Jane Foster (wielding Mjolnir), and the "War Thor" - a traumatised [[spoiler: Volstagg]] wielding Ultimate Thor's hammer. The first two are straightforward heroes, but the third is very much this.
1st Aug '17 7:45:36 AM nighttrainfm
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* In an inversion ComicBook/TheMightyThor was replaced by Thunderstrike a.k.a Eric Masterson in TheNineties, except Thunderstrike was less likely to kill a dangerous opponent and he came across as a dork when he tried to sound like an anti-hero. Thunderstrike did however, look the part. Complicating the whole thing was that Thunderstrike had previously ''been'' Thor himself.

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In an inversion ComicBook/TheMightyThor inversion, Thor was replaced by Thunderstrike a.k.a Eric Masterson in TheNineties, except Thunderstrike was less likely to kill a dangerous opponent and he came across as a dork when he tried to sound like an anti-hero. Thunderstrike did however, look the part. Complicating the whole thing was that Thunderstrike had previously ''been'' Thor himself.


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** As of 2017, there are ''three'' Thors running around. The Odinson himself, Jane Foster (wielding Mjolnir), and the "War Thor" - a traumatised [[spoiler: Volstagg]] wielding Ultimate Thor's hammer. The first two are straightforward heroes, but the third is very much this.
24th Jun '17 10:15:29 AM MathematicalVoid
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* Since ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' changes protagonists every part, this was bound to happen. The goofy and cheerful Joseph Jostar is replaced with the emotionally distant and serious Jotaro Kujo.

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* Since ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' changes protagonists every part, this was bound to happen. happen.
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The [[GentlemanAndAScholar polite and academic Jonathan Joestar]] is replaced with the [[GuileHero streetwise and pragmatic Joseph Joestar]].
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goofy and cheerful Joseph Jostar Joestar]] is replaced with the [[TheStoic emotionally distant and serious Jotaro Kujo.Kujo]].
** The [[NiceGuy kind-hearted Josuke Higashikata]] is replaced with the [[GoodIsNotSoft ruthless Giorno Giovanna]].
7th Jun '17 10:08:36 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Cheerful and lovable circus brat Dick Grayson was replaced by cheerful and lovable circus brat Jason Todd in the early 80s. Then, post-Crisis, in a rare case of a character being replaced by an AntiHero version ''of himself,'' Jason Todd was retcon'd into an abrasive former street thug. He also spent a bit of time as a psychopathic version of Nightwing. Also, during the ''Battle for the Cowl'' event, Jason would also take up the mantle of Batman after [[spoiler: his apparent death]] and became a gun-wielding psychopath. He was played as the villain of the story, however.

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** Cheerful and lovable circus brat Dick Grayson was replaced by cheerful and lovable circus brat Jason Todd in the early 80s. Then, post-Crisis, in a rare case of a character being replaced by an AntiHero version ''of himself,'' Jason Todd was retcon'd into an abrasive former street thug. He also spent a bit of time as a psychopathic version of Nightwing.ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}. Also, during the ''Battle for the Cowl'' event, Jason would also take up the mantle of Batman after [[spoiler: his apparent death]] and became a gun-wielding psychopath. He was played as the villain of the story, however.
7th Jun '17 10:07:45 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** During the ''Comicbook/{{Knightfall}}'' story arc, Batman was temporarily paralyzed by Bane and gave his cowl to Azrael, who quickly became a KnightTemplar after [[BrainwashedAndCrazy his latent brainwashing]] was accidentally triggered by Scarecrow's fear gas. This forced Batman to undergo TrainingFromHell under ComicBook/LadyShiva to fight [[FanNickname AzBats]] and reclaim his old identity. [=AzBats=] turned out to be a deliberate TakeThat at the fans who wanted Batman to be closer to ThePunisher than, well, Batman. ("You wanted Needlessly Violent Batman? There you go!") As it turns out, the only people that were all that thrilled with him were the makers and players of ''VideoGame/BatmanDoom'', a high-quality ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'' mod. Well, maybe a few others, since after being bounced from the Batman position his solo series lasted over a hundred issues.

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** During the ''Comicbook/{{Knightfall}}'' story arc, Batman was temporarily paralyzed by Bane and gave his cowl to Azrael, who quickly became a KnightTemplar after [[BrainwashedAndCrazy his latent brainwashing]] was accidentally triggered by Scarecrow's fear gas. This forced Batman to undergo TrainingFromHell under ComicBook/LadyShiva to fight [[FanNickname AzBats]] and reclaim his old identity. [=AzBats=] turned out to be a deliberate TakeThat at the fans who wanted Batman to be closer to ThePunisher than, well, Batman. ("You wanted Needlessly Violent Batman? There you go!") As it turns out, the only people that were all that thrilled with him were the makers and players of ''VideoGame/BatmanDoom'', a high-quality ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'' mod. Well, maybe a few others, since after being bounced from the Batman position [[BreakoutCharacter his solo series lasted over a hundred issues.issues]].
16th Mar '17 1:09:08 PM lillolillo
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* Happened, of all people, to ComicBook/TheAuthority once, when they were defeated by G8's agent and replaced with bunch of {{Nineties Anti Hero}}es. For many people Authority are a bunch of {{Jerkass}}ses at best and {{Villain Protagonist}}s at worst, but comparing to replacements they looks like fricking saints.

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* Happened, of all people, to ComicBook/TheAuthority once, when they were defeated by G8's agent and replaced with bunch of {{Nineties Anti Hero}}es. For many people Authority are a bunch of {{Jerkass}}ses at best and {{Villain Protagonist}}s at worst, but comparing to replacements they looks look like fricking saints.
14th Mar '17 10:33:08 AM DLMaximum1
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** And while we're on the subject: Leonard Sampson was a nerdy little nebbish scientist who managed to de-Hulkify Hulk, turning him back into Bruce Banner. He then used a portion of the stored Hulk-energy to turn himself into Doc Sampson, who wasn't really an anti-hero so much as he was just kind of an egotistical jerk. When he started wooing Betty, it convinced Bruce (who was initially ''thrilled'' to be himself again) to use the ''rest'' of the stored Hulk-energy to re-Hulkify himself.

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** And while we're on the subject: Dr. Leonard Sampson Samson was a nerdy little nebbish scientist who managed to de-Hulkify Hulk, turning him back into Bruce Banner. He then used a portion of the stored Hulk-energy gamma energy to turn himself into Doc Sampson, Samson, who wasn't really an anti-hero so much as he was just kind of an egotistical jerk. When he started wooing Betty, it convinced Bruce (who was initially ''thrilled'' to be himself again) to use the ''rest'' of the stored Hulk-energy gamma energy to re-Hulkify himself.turn himself back into the Hulk.



* In TheEighties, Steve Rogers, the original ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, was replaced by John Walker, a NinetiesAntiHero version of himself. To his credit, Walker did eventually make an honest effort to emulate Rogers' ethics until the ComicBook/RedSkull completed his manipulation of him. When Rogers regained the mantle, Walker continued operating as the U.S. Agent. In something of an inversion from the previous examples, the DarkerAndEdgier Walker wore the classic red, white, and blue Cap outfit, while Steve took up a black costume and shield as The Captain.

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* In TheEighties, Steve Rogers, the original ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, was replaced by John Walker, a NinetiesAntiHero version of himself. To his credit, Walker did eventually make an honest effort to emulate Rogers' ethics until the ComicBook/RedSkull completed his manipulation of him. When Rogers regained the mantle, Walker continued operating as the U.S. Agent. In something of an inversion from the previous examples, the DarkerAndEdgier Walker wore the classic red, white, and blue Cap outfit, while Steve took up a black costume and shield as The Captain.
7th Mar '17 12:26:23 AM LinTaylor
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* The ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise has of course runs the gamut of protagonists over its [[LongRunners nearly 40-year history]], but probably the biggest example of this is Mikazuki Augus, protagonist of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans''. The heroes of the last few ''Gundam'' series before him (particularly [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Kira]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Yamato]], [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Setsuna]] [[Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer F. Seiei]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Kio Asuno]]) were {{AllLovingHero}}es and {{MessianicArchetype}}s who [[MartialPacifist deliberately avoided killing even enemy combatants]]. In contrast, Mika is a CombatPragmatist ChildSoldier who doesn't spare his opponents a second thought; if you attack him or his [[TrueCompanions "family"]], he's going to kill you, and God help you if you actually [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge hurt someone he cares about]]. He also contrasts with most other Gundam protagonists by '''not''' being a WarriorTherapist, and even shutting down opponents who try the same by telling them "YouTalkToMuch", or just straight up [[KilledMidSentence killing them mid-sentence]]. His character is actually quite divisive among the fandom, with some detractors even claiming that his cold-blooded, merciless nature makes him a straight-up VillainProtagonist.

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* The ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise has of course runs run the gamut of protagonists over its [[LongRunners nearly 40-year history]], but probably the biggest example of this is Mikazuki Augus, protagonist of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans''. The heroes of the last few ''Gundam'' series before him (particularly [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Kira]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Yamato]], [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Setsuna]] [[Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer F. Seiei]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Kio Asuno]]) were {{AllLovingHero}}es {{All Loving Hero}}es and {{MessianicArchetype}}s {{Messianic Archetype}}s who [[MartialPacifist deliberately avoided killing even enemy combatants]]. In contrast, Mika is a CombatPragmatist ChildSoldier who doesn't spare his opponents a second thought; if you attack him or his [[TrueCompanions "family"]], he's going to kill you, and God help you if you actually [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge hurt someone he cares about]]. He also contrasts with most other Gundam protagonists by '''not''' being a WarriorTherapist, and even shutting down opponents who try the same by telling them "YouTalkToMuch", "YouTalkTooMuch", or just straight up [[KilledMidSentence killing them mid-sentence]]. His character is actually quite divisive among the fandom, with some detractors even claiming that his cold-blooded, merciless nature makes him a straight-up VillainProtagonist.
7th Mar '17 12:24:38 AM LinTaylor
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* The ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise has of course runs the gamut of protagonists over its [[LongRunners nearly 40-year history]], but probably the biggest example of this is Mikazuki Augus, protagonist of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans''. The heroes of the last few ''Gundam'' series before him (particularly [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Kira]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Yamato]], [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Setsuna]] [[Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer F. Seiei]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Kio Asuno]]) were {{AllLovingHero}}es and {{MessianicArchetype}}s who [[MartialPacifist deliberately avoided killing even enemy combatants]]. In contrast, Mika is a CombatPragmatist ChildSoldier who doesn't spare his opponents a second thought; if you attack him or his [[TrueCompanions "family"]], he's going to kill you, and God help you if you actually [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge hurt someone he cares about]]. He also contrasts with most other Gundam protagonists by '''not''' being a WarriorTherapist, and even shutting down opponents who try the same by telling them "YouTalkToMuch", or just straight up [[KilledMidSentence killing them mid-sentence]]. His character is actually quite divisive among the fandom, with some detractors even claiming that his cold-blooded, merciless nature makes him a straight-up VillainProtagonist.
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