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10th Nov '17 1:18:38 PM TheKaizerreich
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** Necrons are to be this, being diametrically opposed to the Chaos gods and the Warp. Pre-{{Retcon]], their solution to this was to exterminate all life, destroying the emotions that empower the Warp. Even after the overhaul, the Necrons are explicitedly not using warp powers, instead they use [[SpaceRomans Space Egyptian]] SkeleBot9000 SuperScience, which is just as strong while far less dangerous with the side effects, [[MagicFromTechnology though it's often hard to tell that it's not magic.]]

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** Necrons are to be this, being diametrically opposed to the Chaos gods Gods and the Warp. Pre-{{Retcon]], Pre-{{Retcon}}, their solution to this was to exterminate all life, destroying the emotions that empower the Warp. Even after the overhaul, overhaul when they are a tiny bit nicer, the Necrons are explicitedly not using warp powers, instead they use [[SpaceRomans Space Egyptian]] SkeleBot9000 SuperScience, which is just as strong while far less dangerous with the side effects, [[MagicFromTechnology though it's often hard to tell that it's not magic.]]
10th Nov '17 1:17:23 PM TheKaizerreich
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** Pre-RetCon Necrons used to be this, being diametrically opposed to the Chaos gods and the Warp. Their solution to this was to exterminate all life, destroying the emotions that empower the Warp.

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** Pre-RetCon Necrons used are to be this, being diametrically opposed to the Chaos gods and the Warp. Their Pre-{{Retcon]], their solution to this was to exterminate all life, destroying the emotions that empower the Warp.Warp. Even after the overhaul, the Necrons are explicitedly not using warp powers, instead they use [[SpaceRomans Space Egyptian]] SkeleBot9000 SuperScience, which is just as strong while far less dangerous with the side effects, [[MagicFromTechnology though it's often hard to tell that it's not magic.]]
10th Nov '17 12:23:46 PM TheKaizerreich
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** The creator of the science side of the series' MagicVersusScience battle is also an evil mage who wants to keep the magic "hidden".
22nd Oct '17 11:54:25 PM Fireblood
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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, was to change this.

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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, was to change this.alter that attitude.
22nd Oct '17 11:53:43 PM Fireblood
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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, was to change this.

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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, was to change this.
22nd Oct '17 11:53:13 PM Fireblood
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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, changed this.

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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, changed was to change this.
22nd Oct '17 11:52:43 PM Fireblood
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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly ''Literature/TheMalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, changed this.

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* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly ''Literature/TheMalleusMaleficarum'', the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, changed this.
22nd Oct '17 11:52:09 PM Fireblood
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* Abrahamic religions are very big into this, even unto modern ages. The stated reason being that any supernatural powers not granted by {{God}} must have come from demons, and therefore are evil by default. Historically, said religions have always had [[KillEmAll rivalries]] with religions that were [[ReligionIsMagic synonymous with magic]], such as Pharaonic polytheism in Ancient Egypt or Zoroastrianism in Ancient Iran -- the Zoroaster priests were the origin of the word 'mage'.
** Which isn't to say that it's an exclusively monotheist thing--before Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire, magicians perceived as dangerous (particularly those making poisons and love potions, regardless of if they worked) were already persecuted by the government, and they were even [[FedToTheBeast thrown to the lions]] just like early Christians were. It was only later that more kinds of magic, and eventually ''all'' magic, (the last to go was divination) were completely outlawed and its practitioners exterminated as evil witches and warlocks.

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* Abrahamic religions are very big into this, even unto modern ages. The stated reason being that any supernatural powers not granted by {{God}} must have come from demons, and therefore are evil by default. Historically, said religions have always had [[KillEmAll rivalries]] with religions that were [[ReligionIsMagic synonymous with magic]], such as Pharaonic polytheism in Ancient Egypt or Zoroastrianism in Ancient Iran -- the Zoroaster Zoroastrian priests were the origin of the word 'mage'.
** Which isn't to say that it's an exclusively monotheist thing--before Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire, magicians perceived as dangerous (particularly those making poisons and love potions, regardless of if they worked) were already persecuted by the government, and they were even [[FedToTheBeast thrown to the lions]] just like early Christians were. It was only later that more kinds of magic, and eventually ''all'' magic, magic (the last to go was divination) were was completely outlawed and its practitioners exterminated as evil witches and warlocks.forbidden.



* Saudi Arabia has an anti-witchcraft unit that hunts down any one convicted of witchcraft or sorcery of any sort. The punishment is usually [[OffWithHisHead death by beheading]].
* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft.

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* Saudi Arabia has an anti-witchcraft unit that hunts down any one convicted person suspected of witchcraft or sorcery of any sort. The punishment is usually [[OffWithHisHead death by beheading]].
* Subverted with UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition, who did not consider witchcraft to be real, instead regarding the belief in it to be heretical. Which meant they also frowned upon witch-hunters of the classical sort, for believing that said suspected witches were actually practicing witchcraft. This was true generally for most of the medieval era-the Church officially declared that magic did not exist, as God didn't permit rival powers of that kind. So people who claimed to be have magic were frauds or deluded. This only started to change with the very end of the era and the Renaissance. The witch hunts took off in the early modern period. Prior to this, witch hunters were condemned by the Church, and killing people for "witchcraft" was unsanctioned, being punished as murder. Sadly ''Literature/TheMalleusMaleficarum'', among other things, changed this.
22nd Oct '17 11:45:48 PM Fireblood
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** The Whitecloaks, as well as the country of Amadicia and the Seanchan (The first two kill, the third enslave and treat like pets. YMMV on which is worse.)

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** The Whitecloaks, as well as the country of Amadicia and the Seanchan (The (the first two kill, the third enslave and treat like pets. YMMV on which is worse.)worse).
22nd Oct '17 11:39:20 PM Fireblood
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** Uther Pendragon tries to ban magic. At the time it's set, he has largely succeeded in destroying a culture(through unknown methods, as his elite knights have proven inept at defeating even a lone sorcerer, except by dumb luck). Most of the conflict in the story comes from people hating him for the various repressions and executions involved in this, usually with Arthur stuck squarely in the crossfire, and from Merlin trying to do his thing without getting outed and killed as a traitorous sorcerer.
** Ironically, though, with the exception of Merlin, the series is rather vague on how justified Uther's crusade was. Gaius, himself a magic-user, seems to be of the opinion that there was a significant fraction of evil wizards and witches back then. At the same time, however, we're treated to stories of the brutal slaughter of the relatively benign druids. The magic-users left now aren't really unethical in killing their version of Hitler.
** As time goes on, it's clear that the magical faction wasn't that innocent either. Apparently, the High Priestesses had a magical tower where they sent people to be brainwashed, a serpent they'd summon from the depths of the underworld if they needed to do it quickly, would tear the veil between life and death every solstice (although the summer one was quite tame if done right, the winter solstice set hundreds of depraved souls loose on innocents), and had extremely harsh methods of keeping the non-magical in line. Of course, the remaining high priestess who does all this is [[SanitySlippage pretty far off the deep end]], so we're left to draw our own conclusions about how much of this was actually done when Uther declared war.

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** Uther Pendragon tries to ban magic. At the time it's set, he has largely succeeded in destroying a culture(through culture (through unknown methods, as his elite knights have proven inept at defeating even a lone sorcerer, except by dumb luck). Most of the conflict in the story comes from people hating him for the various repressions and executions involved in this, usually with Arthur stuck squarely in the crossfire, and from Merlin trying to do his thing without getting outed and killed as a traitorous sorcerer.
** Ironically, though, with the exception of Merlin, the series is rather vague on how justified Uther's crusade was. Gaius, himself a magic-user, magic user, seems to be of the opinion that there was a significant fraction of evil wizards and witches back then. At the same time, however, we're treated to stories of the brutal slaughter of the relatively benign druids. The magic-users magic users left now aren't really unethical in killing their version of Hitler.
** As time goes on, it's clear that the magical faction wasn't that innocent either. Apparently, the High Priestesses had a magical tower where they sent people to be brainwashed, a serpent they'd summon from the depths of the underworld if they needed to do it quickly, quickly would tear the veil between life and death every solstice (although the summer one was quite tame if done right, the winter solstice set hundreds of depraved souls loose on innocents), and had extremely harsh methods of keeping the non-magical in line. Of course, the remaining high priestess who does all this is [[SanitySlippage pretty far off the deep end]], so we're left to draw our own conclusions about how much of this was actually done when Uther declared war.


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* ''Series/TheShannaraChronicles'': The Crimson, an elven group that wants to wipe out all magic and magic users.
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