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21st Jun '16 11:24:43 PM Adept
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* In a peculiar example, [[FleischerStudios Max Fleischer]], while never saying animation could only be for kids (in fact making some raunchy adult oriented animation himself, such as the BettyBoop series), was strongly against the idea of animation trying to emulate other mediums like fine art on their own terms in order to gain artistic respect, believing that direct cartooning is an art in itself and was only handicapped by trying to stray from it. He expressed his sentiments in a letter to one of his animators, ShamusCulhane, who recalled this in his biography:

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* In a peculiar example, [[FleischerStudios [[Creator/FleischerStudios Max Fleischer]], while never saying animation could only be for kids (in fact making some raunchy adult oriented animation himself, such as the BettyBoop WesternAnimation/BettyBoop series), was strongly against the idea of animation trying to emulate other mediums like fine art on their own terms in order to gain artistic respect, believing that direct cartooning is an art in itself and was only handicapped by trying to stray from it. He expressed his sentiments in a letter to one of his animators, ShamusCulhane, Creator/ShamusCulhane, who recalled this in his biography:
19th Jun '16 5:25:17 PM milliewilliebo
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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} some]] being [[LighterAndSofter milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+ despite being DarkerAndEdgier, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature. The same mistake would happen again with the [[AscendedExtra spin-off]] {{Picture Book}}s which are even gorier containing lots of blood, ColdBlodedTorture, scalping, and a character crossing the MoralEventHorizon and becoming an ExtremeOmnivore... with a rating og 8+, right in the age of rapid nightmares, [[SarcasmMode sweet dreams]] [[ChildrenAreInnocent kids]].

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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} some]] being [[LighterAndSofter milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+ despite being DarkerAndEdgier, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature. The same mistake would happen again with the [[AscendedExtra spin-off]] {{Picture Book}}s PictureBooks which are even gorier containing lots of blood, ColdBlodedTorture, ColdBloodedTorture, scalping, and a character crossing the MoralEventHorizon and becoming an ExtremeOmnivore... with a rating og 8+, right in the age of rapid nightmares where slight UncannyValley can give nightmares, [[SarcasmMode sweet dreams]] [[ChildrenAreInnocent kids]].
19th Jun '16 5:23:19 PM milliewilliebo
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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} some]] being [[LighterAndSofter milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+ despite being DarkerAndEdgier, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature. The same mistake would happen again with the [[AscendedExtra spin-off] {{Picture Book}}s which are even gorier containing lots of blood, ColdBlodedTorture, scalping, and a character crossing the MoralEventHorizon and becoming an ExtremeOmnivore... with a rating og 8+, right in the age of rapid nightmares, [[SarcasmMode sweet dreams]] [[ChildrenAreInnocent kids]].

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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} some]] being [[LighterAndSofter milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+ despite being DarkerAndEdgier, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature. The same mistake would happen again with the [[AscendedExtra spin-off] spin-off]] {{Picture Book}}s which are even gorier containing lots of blood, ColdBlodedTorture, scalping, and a character crossing the MoralEventHorizon and becoming an ExtremeOmnivore... with a rating og 8+, right in the age of rapid nightmares, [[SarcasmMode sweet dreams]] [[ChildrenAreInnocent kids]].
19th Jun '16 5:20:57 PM milliewilliebo
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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite some being [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature.

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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite some being [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} some]] being [[LighterAndSofter milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+, 9+ despite being DarkerAndEdgier, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature.mature. The same mistake would happen again with the [[AscendedExtra spin-off] {{Picture Book}}s which are even gorier containing lots of blood, ColdBlodedTorture, scalping, and a character crossing the MoralEventHorizon and becoming an ExtremeOmnivore... with a rating og 8+, right in the age of rapid nightmares, [[SarcasmMode sweet dreams]] [[ChildrenAreInnocent kids]].
19th Jun '16 5:04:49 PM milliewilliebo
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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/Nintendo video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite some being [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature.

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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/Nintendo [[Creator/{{Nintendo}} video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite some being [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature.
19th Jun '16 5:04:08 PM milliewilliebo
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* When ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' debuted in Norway in 2002 was the country in a belief that [[Creator/Nintendo video]] [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros games]], [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animation]], and [[Literature/LordOfTheRings fantasy]] [[Literature/HarryPotter books]] had to be for kids. Due to this Phenomena was first given a 10-12 rating but when Gyldendal(the publisher) removed their 10:12 imprint and gave it a 9+ rating. Despite this are there an obvious DateRape, some more implied rapes, gruesome violence, talk about drugs, GreyAndBlackMorality, and more. Since then more fantasy has been created in Norway and despite some being [[Literature/{{Halvgudene}} milder]] and [[Literature/{{Kire}} others being]] HotterAndSexier with UnfortunateImplications did they get 13+ ratings from the start, but Phenomena still stuck with 9+, not unlike [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows another]] that suddenly got a lot more mature.
17th Jun '16 9:28:22 PM Doug86
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* This trope is the major reason ''Comicbook/{{Alias}}'' was cancelled, [[WordOfGod according to]] Creator/BrianMichaelBendis. In the wake of the big superhero movie boom, Marvel had grown nervous about kid-friendly characters like {{Wolverine}} and Franchise/SpiderMan showing up in a book with drug abuse, sex crimes, graphic violence, and lots of F-bombs.
* One of the reasons the ''ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheQuestion'' features in ''DetectiveComics'' drew so much controversy was because some conservatives accused DCComics of pushing a "homosexual agenda" on young kids. Never mind that ''Detective Comics'' is usually quite violent and like most Batman books, is generally ''not'' aimed at young children. And of course given recent strides in gay rights in the U.S., the idea of a lesbian superhero being "taboo" for children is itself a massive BaseBreaker.

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* This trope is the major reason ''Comicbook/{{Alias}}'' was cancelled, [[WordOfGod according to]] Creator/BrianMichaelBendis. In the wake of the big superhero movie boom, Marvel had grown nervous about kid-friendly characters like {{Wolverine}} ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and Franchise/SpiderMan showing up in a book with drug abuse, sex crimes, graphic violence, and lots of F-bombs.
* One of the reasons the ''ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheQuestion'' features in ''DetectiveComics'' drew so much controversy was because some conservatives accused DCComics Creator/DCComics of pushing a "homosexual agenda" on young kids. Never mind that ''Detective Comics'' is usually quite violent and like most Batman books, is generally ''not'' aimed at young children. And of course given recent strides in gay rights in the U.S., the idea of a lesbian superhero being "taboo" for children is itself a massive BaseBreaker.
9th Jun '16 11:06:54 AM Mario1995
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* ''Egads''. Let's sum up ''Film/SausageParty'' with the quote from the main page: "The biggest [[TakeThat middle]] [[RefugeInAudacity finger]] to the Animation Age Ghetto of the 21st century."

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* ''Egads''. Let's sum up ''Film/SausageParty'' ''WesternAnimation/SausageParty'' with the quote from the main page: "The biggest [[TakeThat middle]] [[RefugeInAudacity finger]] to the Animation Age Ghetto of the 21st century."
7th Jun '16 1:40:02 PM hydrix
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Animation (or at least those not associated with business logo's) has the reputation of being a frivolous medium suitable primarily for the children's age ghetto.

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Animation (or at least those not associated with business logo's) logo's, although the fans of those still maintain that the field is even more underrated than the field of animation) has the reputation of being a frivolous medium suitable primarily for the children's age ghetto.
7th Jun '16 1:33:36 PM hydrix
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** Then again, it is the French censor board. The same censor board that thinks that Film/FiftyShadesOfGray is 12+ worthy and that did not have an 18+ rating prior to the release of Film/BaiseMoi (the latter of which is redlinked due to not fitting the 5P standards on ThisVeryWiki ). It is ultra-rare for animation in general to be worse and what is worse is quite often not released in France to begin with.
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