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19th Jun '16 8:10:29 PM nombretomado
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* In an early issue of ''{{Thunderbolts}}'', Graviton is being all villainous, crowing about how easily he can defeat the Thunderbolts. Moonstone replies that, sure, you can beat us. Then the Avengers, the Champions, the Defenders, the X-men and so forth (most of these teams no longer existed at this time). So then what? Graviton stopped, realized he had no long term plan at all, and disappeared for about a year.

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* In an early issue of ''{{Thunderbolts}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}'', Graviton is being all villainous, crowing about how easily he can defeat the Thunderbolts. Moonstone replies that, sure, you can beat us. Then the Avengers, the Champions, the Defenders, the X-men and so forth (most of these teams no longer existed at this time). So then what? Graviton stopped, realized he had no long term plan at all, and disappeared for about a year.
18th Jun '16 11:43:53 PM Doug86
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* One ''Comicbook/GreenLantern'' story had magnetic supervillain Dr. Polaris try to absorb the "magnetic glue" that holds the universe together, increasing his powers to infinite levels. It would also destroy the universe. The comic lampshades that Polaris is too drunk with power to stop to think what he would do afterward.

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* One ''Comicbook/GreenLantern'' ''Franchise/GreenLantern'' story had magnetic supervillain Dr. Polaris try to absorb the "magnetic glue" that holds the universe together, increasing his powers to infinite levels. It would also destroy the universe. The comic lampshades that Polaris is too drunk with power to stop to think what he would do afterward.
18th Jun '16 1:58:22 PM karstovich2
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** The UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, which was in so many ways a dress rehearsal for the Franco-Prussian and Russo-Japanese Wars, had plenty of mistakes of this sort, perhaps the most tragic being the Battle of the Crater, led by the notoriously incompetent Gen. Ambrose Burnside during the siege of Petersburg. While Burnside had actually had a good idea for once (undermine the enemy lines and attack around the resulting crater), the execution was botched, in part because of ExecutiveMeddling [[note]]An all-black unit was assigned for the attack, and trained to go ''around'' the crater rather than into it, but they were swapped out at the last minute for an all-white unit in case the attack failed, as Burnside didn't want to be accused of sending black soldiers to their deaths. This white unit was untrained, and ran headlong into the crater, where they were trapped and slaughtered.[[/note]] and partly due to lack of supplies (namely scaling ladders for getting people who fell into the crater back out), but mostly because there was no clear objective for what to do if the assault had succeeded.

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** The UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, which was in so many ways a dress rehearsal for the Franco-Prussian and Russo-Japanese Wars, had plenty of mistakes of this sort, perhaps the most tragic being the Battle of the Crater, led by the notoriously incompetent Gen. Ambrose Burnside during the siege of Petersburg. While Burnside had actually had a good idea for once (undermine the enemy lines and attack around the resulting crater), the execution was botched, in part because of ExecutiveMeddling [[note]]An all-black unit was assigned for the attack, and was specially trained to go ''around'' the crater rather than into it, but they were swapped out at the last minute for an all-white unit in case the attack failed, as Burnside didn't want to be accused of sending black soldiers to their deaths. This white unit was untrained, and their commander, James Ledlie, a lazy bum and a drunkard, never bothered to relay Burnside's basic instruction "don't go in the crater," so the troops ran headlong into the crater, where they were trapped and slaughtered.[[/note]] and partly due to lack of supplies (namely scaling ladders for getting people who fell into the crater back out), but mostly because there was no clear objective for what to do if the assault had succeeded. (There was a general plan, "capture Petersburg, secure it, and move on Richmond," but [[ItWillNeverCatchOn nobody took Step One of Burnside's plan--blowing a hole in Petersburg's defenses with underground explosives--seriously]], so when that actually worked, people were confused about how exactly to proceed).
18th Jun '16 11:23:07 AM karstovich2
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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years of punishment for bucking the system) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also MarriedToTheJob, an asshole, and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.

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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years a very long sentence in [[ReassignedToAntarctica one of punishment the Baltimore Police Department's equivalents of Antarctica]] for bucking the system) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also MarriedToTheJob, an asshole, and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.
18th Jun '16 11:21:04 AM karstovich2
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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years of punishment for bucking the system) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also an asshole and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.

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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years of punishment for bucking the system) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also MarriedToTheJob, an asshole asshole, and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.
18th Jun '16 11:17:36 AM karstovich2
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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years of punishment for bucking the system [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also an asshole and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.

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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years of punishment for bucking the system system) [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also an asshole and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.
18th Jun '16 11:16:45 AM karstovich2
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* Season 3 of ''Series/TheWire'' provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped years of punishment for bucking the system [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEHlxICU3I gives a speech]] to Jimmy [=McNulty=] (a younger detective who is ''brilliant'' but also an asshole and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life.
-->'''Lester:''' Tell me something, Jimmy. How exactly do you think it all ends?\\
'''[=McNulty=]:''' What do you mean?\\
'''Lester:''' A parade? A gold watch? A shining Jimmy-[=McNulty=]-Day moment, when you bring in a case sooooo sweet everybody gets together and says, "Aw, shit! He was right all along. Should've listened to the man." The job will not save you, Jimmy. It won't make you whole, it won't fill your ass up.\\
'''[=McNulty=]:''' I dunno, a good case--\\
'''Freamon:''' Ends. They all end. The handcuffs go click and it's over. The next morning, it's just you in your room with yourself.\\
'''[=McNulty=]:''' Until the next case.\\
'''Freamon:''' Boooooy, you need something else outside of this here.\\
'''[=McNulty=]:''' Like what, dollhouse miniatures?\\
'''Freamon:''' Hey, hey, hey, a life. A life, Jimmy. You know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.
17th Jun '16 6:17:40 PM Doug86
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* This is how the very first story arc of George Perez's reboot of ''WonderWoman'' ended, with Wondy ensnaring Ares in the Lasso of Truth, forcing him to realise that starting UsefulNotes/WorldWarIII would superpower him immensely in the short term as conflict and disaster engulfed the world...but there'd be nobody left AfterTheEnd to fight, much less kill, each other, and without any living memory of the gods, he'd fade into nothingness.

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* This is how the very first story arc of George Perez's reboot of ''WonderWoman'' ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' ended, with Wondy ensnaring Ares in the Lasso of Truth, forcing him to realise that starting UsefulNotes/WorldWarIII WorldWarIII would superpower him immensely in the short term as conflict and disaster engulfed the world...but there'd be nobody left AfterTheEnd to fight, much less kill, each other, and without any living memory of the gods, he'd fade into nothingness.



* Poison Ivy also asks one of them to herself at the end of “Batman and Robin Adventures” # 24, “Touch of death”. This one shows [[{{Hypocrite}} how disconnected Poison Ivy is from her true motivations]] to save a a Brazilian Boy who is a PoisonousPerson from a GovernmentConspiracy and brings him back to his home.

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* Poison Ivy also asks one of them to herself at the end of “Batman ''Batman and Robin Adventures” # 24, “Touch Adventures'' #24, "Touch of death”.death". This one shows [[{{Hypocrite}} how disconnected Poison Ivy is from her true motivations]] to save a a Brazilian Boy who is a PoisonousPerson from a GovernmentConspiracy and brings him back to his home.
16th Jun '16 7:58:12 PM nombretomado
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* PlayedForLaughs in one strip from a series that ran in several of Marvel Comics' series. A young ComicBook/SilverSurfer gets a young {{Thanos}} to change his plans by asking him hypothetically, if he succeeded in getting Lady Death's attention by destroying the universe and she fell in love with him, what he would get her for her birthday. Thanos thinks carefully for a moment.

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* PlayedForLaughs in one strip from a series that ran in several of Marvel Comics' series. A young ComicBook/SilverSurfer gets a young {{Thanos}} ComicBook/{{Thanos}} to change his plans by asking him hypothetically, if he succeeded in getting Lady Death's attention by destroying the universe and she fell in love with him, what he would get her for her birthday. Thanos thinks carefully for a moment.
14th Jun '16 4:18:27 PM Freezer
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* In the original run of ''ComicBook/ArcherAndArmstrong'', Armstrong is talking with a rogue member of The Sect (a cult who believes Armstrong to be a demon in human form, rather than the immortal hedonist he actually is) The woman asks Armstrong if he's ever given thought to what The Sect would do afterwards, if they ever managed to kill him. When Armstrong answers that he's never put any thought into it, she responds with "Neither have they."

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* In the original run of ''ComicBook/ArcherAndArmstrong'', Armstrong is talking with a rogue member of The Sect (a cult who believes Armstrong to be a demon in human form, rather than the immortal hedonist hedonistic human he actually is) The woman asks Armstrong if he's ever given thought to wondered what The Sect would do afterwards, if they ever managed to kill him. When Armstrong answers that he's never put any thought into it, she responds with "Neither have they."
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