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14th Aug '17 3:28:00 PM Flame
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* Ankh of ''Series/KamenRiderOOO'' asks this of the other [[MonsterOfTheWeek Greeed]] in regards to becoming complete. Unlike the others, he's come to [[HeelRealization realize]] that becoming complete is a moot point because that still [[BeingEvilSucks won't satisfy]] them, and that he realized his desire something more: to be alive.
** The complete lack of understanding on their side disgust him even more than the realization.
4th Aug '17 2:20:07 AM LinTaylor
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* In ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'', antagonists Parado and Graphite are video game characters brought to life who want to kill humanity off as revenge for all the characters like themselves who get beaten and destroyed every time someone plays a game. Late in the series, [[TheChick Poppy]] asks this question, pointing that their entire reason for existing is to play video games and there'll be nobody left to do that if they eradicate humanity. [[spoiler:Parado ends up pulling a HeelFaceTurn after finally coming to understand the concept of mortality, while Graphite refuses to join the heroes. However, after they defeat him for real, he thanks them for allowing him to fulfill his purpose in life as a boss character.]]
23rd Jul '17 3:56:00 PM Trooper924
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* In the first arc of his "DC Rebirth" title, [[ComicBook/Aquaman]] battles Black Manta, out to avenge the death of his father at Orin's hands. Arthur allows Manta to put his spear to Aquaman's throat and then asks what Manta's life will be like once he does it. He points out Manta's only goal in life is killing Aquaman and there's no way to make his death worthwhile enough to overcome that hate. After a long moment, Manta drops the spear and falls to his knees, realizing Aquaman is right.

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* In the first arc of his "DC Rebirth" title, [[ComicBook/Aquaman]] ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} battles Black Manta, out to avenge the death of his father at Orin's hands. Arthur allows Manta to put his spear to Aquaman's throat and then asks what Manta's life will be like once he does it. He points out Manta's only goal in life is killing Aquaman and there's no way to make his death worthwhile enough to overcome that hate. After a long moment, Manta drops the spear and falls to his knees, realizing Aquaman is right.
19th Jul '17 3:07:51 PM ZimFan89
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* This is often a problem with single-issue political parties. If they succeed in getting their platform through, they're usually left with little-to-nothing to stand for. So, either they adopt new issues, or they collapse altogether.
11th Jul '17 4:41:12 AM naal2
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* This comes up in [[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/315077/the-story-of-twilight-glow The Story of Twilight Glow]] when Twilight and Tirek talk to each other. She asks him what he'll do when he's gotten all the power he wants. He has to think it over for a little bit but soon decides he'll be an EvilOverlord.
22nd Jun '17 7:46:44 AM Odacon_Spy
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* In the Literature/GentlemanBastard series, Locke's mentor has trained the gang up to be perfect robbers, but died before he told them what they were accumulating money for. So they've succeeded beyond his wildest imaginings, but they have no actual purpose for doing it, and they can't spend their wealth or they'll be detected. [[spoiler:At the end of the book, Locke offers up the whole amount as a death offering to Calo, Galdo, and Bug by tricking Dona Vorchenza into sinking the ship that the Grey King had it stashed on.]]

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* In the Literature/GentlemanBastard ''Literature/GentlemanBastard'' series, Locke's mentor has trained the gang up to be perfect robbers, but died before he told them what they were accumulating money for. So they've succeeded beyond his wildest imaginings, but they have no actual purpose for doing it, and they can't spend their wealth or they'll be detected. [[spoiler:At the end of the book, Locke offers up the whole amount as a death offering to Calo, Galdo, and Bug by tricking Dona Vorchenza into sinking the ship that the Grey King had it stashed on.]]
9th Jun '17 9:15:55 AM KizunaTallis
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** This is ultimately how the Entity [[spoiler: MissingNo from another universe]] is defeated. Linkara's [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath diatribe]] is especially remarkable. He doesn't just ask The Entity what it plans to do afterwards, he continues to point out the pointlessness of its own existence, its quest, and the rather unimpressive ending to its goal which just keeps reiterating the question. [[spoiler: This gets so bad, it sends The Entity into an existential crisis where it begins babbling to itself incoherently, unable to comprehend its own worthlessness despite being a god. This eventually gives Linkara the chance to ask MissingNo what happens when a god like itself dies. Truly intrigued by the question, MissingNo [[DrivenToSuicide explodes itself]], releasing everything and everyone it had absorbed]].
** After [[spoiler: MissingNo dies and releases all of its prisoners, Iron Liz asks Linkara what he's going to do now that he's saved the world (and the multiverse). Linkara ponders for about 5 seconds before inviting all his friends to play Pokemon with him]].
** Seems to be his M.O. for dealing with insane and powerful entities. He used the same tactic to convince [[spoiler: Linksano to give up on trying to take over the world and come work for him instead when he makes the doctor realize that ruling the world will involve 'running' the world as well.]]
** Linkara tries this again with [[spoiler: Dr. Insano]], who is completely unimpressed by the question. He has a wild enough imagination, going from carnal desires to dreams of glory to simple malicious fun. He also rejects the holodeck and its fake people. However, [[spoiler: the speech was in this case a distraction]].

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** This is ultimately how the Entity [[spoiler: MissingNo from another universe]] [[EldritchAbomination The Entity]] (aka, [[spoiler:[=MissingNo=]]]) is defeated. Linkara's [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath diatribe]] is especially remarkable. He doesn't just ask The Entity what it plans to do afterwards, after it achieves its goal, he continues to point out the pointlessness of its own existence, its quest, and the rather unimpressive ending to its goal which just keeps reiterating the question. [[spoiler: This gets so bad, it sends The Entity into an existential crisis where it begins babbling to itself incoherently, unable to comprehend its own worthlessness despite being a god. This eventually gives Linkara the chance to ask MissingNo The Entity what happens when a god like itself dies. Truly intrigued by the question, MissingNo [=MissingNo=] [[DrivenToSuicide explodes itself]], releasing everything and everyone it had absorbed]].
** After [[spoiler: MissingNo *** And after [[spoiler:[=MissingNo=] dies and releases all of its prisoners, Iron Liz asks Linkara what he's going to do now that he's saved the world (and the multiverse). Linkara ponders for about 5 seconds before inviting all his friends to play Pokemon with him]].
** Seems to be his M.O. for dealing with insane and powerful entities. He used the same tactic to convince [[spoiler: Linksano [[spoiler:Linksano to give up on trying to take over the world and come work for him instead when he makes the doctor realize that ruling the world will involve 'running' ''running'' the world as well.]]
** Linkara tries this again with [[spoiler: Dr.[[spoiler:Dr. Insano]], who is completely unimpressed by the question. He has a wild enough imagination, going from carnal desires to dreams of glory to simple malicious fun. He also rejects the holodeck and its fake people. However, [[spoiler: the speech was in this case a distraction]].
9th Jun '17 4:28:15 AM Divra
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** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', the goal of the geth is revealed to create a Dyson-Sphere like structure for all their programs to inhabit. When Shepard asks what they will do next, Legion admits they don't have another plan, they are expecting their combined intelligence will be enough for them to come up with a new goal.

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** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', the goal of the geth is revealed to create a Dyson-Sphere like structure for all their programs to inhabit. When Shepard asks what they will do next, Legion admits they don't have another plan, an "after"-plan, but they are expecting confident that their combined intelligence will be enough for them able to come up with a new goal.
1st Jun '17 1:31:59 PM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'': In a subversion of the "villain has no real answer, but it doesn't bother him" kind, Ludo gloats about how "Soon, the wand will be mine. And then the universe. And then[[{{Beat}}...]]! Actually, the universe should do it."

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* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'': In a subversion of the "villain has no real answer, but it doesn't bother him" kind, Ludo gloats about how "Soon, the wand will be mine. And then the universe. [[{{Beat}} And then[[{{Beat}}...]]! then...!]] Actually, the universe should do it."
1st Jun '17 1:31:10 PM Vir
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** This trope is ultimately what stops Starlight Glimmer's plan in the season 5 finale. The first phase of her plan (going back in time to prevent the rest of the cast from getting their cutie marks) goes off without a hitch, but she clearly didn't think much about what would happen aftewards. When Twilight shows her what will actually result from Starlight's mucking around with the timestream (namely Equestria turning into a barren wasteland), Starlight decides to not go through with it and surrenders herself to Twilight.

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** This trope is ultimately what stops Starlight Glimmer's plan in the season 5 finale. The first phase of her plan (going back in time to prevent the rest of the cast from getting their cutie marks) goes off without a hitch, but she clearly didn't think much about what would happen aftewards.afterward. When Twilight shows her what will actually result from Starlight's mucking around with the timestream (namely Equestria turning into a barren wasteland), Starlight decides to not go through with it and surrenders herself to Twilight.



* In ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', some of Doofenshmirtz's plans end up this way. He actually tends to call attention to this himself, rather than have somebody ask since he faces off against [[HeroicMime Perry The Platypus.]] In the very first episode, Doof admitted he had no clue to what one could expect to gain by reverting Earth's rotation.
* Occasionally affects ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain''. [[spoiler:The most obvious case was from 'It's Only a Paper World', where the scheme is to empty the Earth. It works, but without any actual ''subjects'', the Brain gets bored.]] Sometimes they need that ResetButton.
* Deconstructed in ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', After destroying every time portal on Earth, Aku says he was quite proud of destroying all of them and assumed Jack would then eventually die of natural causes. But 50 years later, Jack is not only still alive, but immortal, and Aku thinks he's got an opponent with nothing left to lose.
* From ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'':

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* In ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', some of Doofenshmirtz's plans end up this way. He actually tends to call attention to this himself, rather than have somebody ask since he faces off against [[HeroicMime Perry The the Platypus.]] In the very first episode, Doof admitted he had no clue to what one could expect to gain by reverting Earth's rotation.
* Occasionally affects ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain''. [[spoiler:The most obvious case was from 'It's "It's Only a Paper World', World", where the scheme is to empty the Earth. It works, but without any actual ''subjects'', the Brain gets bored.]] Sometimes they need that ResetButton.
* Deconstructed {{Deconstructed|Trope}} in ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', After destroying every time portal on Earth, Aku says he was quite proud of destroying all of them and assumed Jack would then eventually die of natural causes. But 50 years later, Jack is not only still alive, but immortal, and Aku thinks he's got an opponent with nothing left to lose.
* From ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'':''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'':



* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'': In a subversion of the "villain has no real answer, but it doesn't bother him" kind, Ludo gloats about how "I will take Star's magic wand, and then take over the universe, and then[[{{Beat}} ...]] actually, the universe should do it just fine."

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** In "Mermaid Man vs. [=SpongeBob=]", Plankton uses a hypnotized Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy to convince the customers at the Krusty Krab to come to the Chum Bucket. His plot did not overlap with stealing the Krabby Patty formula, so when the customers come he has no food, and by the time he prepares something [=SpongeBob=] has already saved the day.
* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'': In a subversion of the "villain has no real answer, but it doesn't bother him" kind, Ludo gloats about how "I "Soon, the wand will take Star's magic wand, and be mine. And then take over the universe, and then[[{{Beat}} ...]] actually, universe. And then[[{{Beat}}...]]! Actually, the universe should do it just fine.it."



* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': Believing him to be his shapeshifted mother, [[ShellShockedVeteran Eyeball]] wants to cut Steven open and bring his gem back to Yellow Diamond as a trophy. She starts ranting at length about how she be regarded as a hero for killing her people's greatest enemy and given riches and success beyond her wildest dreams. As a counterpoint, Steven argues out that, at this particular moment, they're floating through space in a bubble powered by his emotions, and that killing him would leave her stranded without any hope of rescue. [[AxeCrazy She tells him to stop trying to trick her and starts chasing after him with a knife.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{El Tigre}}'' has Manny's mother breaks El Oso with this question when she shows him using circular logic for stealing a diamond. He wants to steal the diamond so he can sell it. To get money to buy things like the diamond so he can sell it...

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': Believing him to be his shapeshifted mother, [[ShellShockedVeteran Eyeball]] wants to cut Steven open and bring his gem back to Yellow Diamond as a trophy. She starts ranting at length about how she be regarded as a hero for killing her people's greatest enemy and given riches and success beyond her wildest dreams. As a counterpoint, Steven argues out that, at this particular moment, they're floating through space in a bubble powered by his emotions, and that killing him would leave her stranded without any hope of rescue. [[AxeCrazy [[AxCrazy She tells him to stop trying to trick her and starts chasing after him with a knife.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{El Tigre}}'' ''WesternAnimation/ElTigre'' has Manny's mother breaks El Oso with this question when she shows him using circular logic for stealing a diamond. He wants to steal the diamond so he can sell it. To get money to buy things like the diamond so he can sell it...
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