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4th Jan '18 1:55:46 PM RedScharlach
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** Orthodox Christianity states that sins are making 8 passions, deadly habits (think of seven deadly sins, when sloth is mostly absence of desire to live the salvation, and despair is unrestricted sorrow.) They CONTINUE to torture us after the death with GREATLY increased power. Forever, as sating them requires body. And lake of fire? It's how damned will feel God's love... while saved people will feel that as love.

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** Orthodox Christianity states that sins are making make 8 passions, passions or deadly habits (think of the seven deadly sins, when sloth is mostly the absence of desire to live the experience salvation, and despair is unrestricted sorrow.) sorrow). They CONTINUE to torture us after the death with GREATLY increased power. Forever, as because sating them requires a body. And the lake of fire? It's how the damned will feel God's love... while saved people will feel that as love.



** There's the GodEmperor of Mankind, the MessianicArchetype of the setting. Reduced to a shattered husk, kept on life support for 10,000 years ([[HumanSacrifice powered by the lives of 1,000 psyker every day]]), unable to move or communicate yet [[PoweredByAForsakenChild his living consciousness is used as a psychic navigation system]] [[HyperSpaceIsAScaryPlace for Faster than Light travel through what is basically Hell]], and also while the unified humanity he worked to build falls into a {{dystopia}}n hell around him. It gets more into it when you realise that everything he aspired to accomplish (secular humanism and the destruction of Chaos altogether) is being defiled and torn down by the CorruptChurch. ''In his name''. On top of that, the supposed preachers of his word are also the ones possibly conspiring to keep him in the vegetative state, as they're all paranoid and believe that if he is allowed to die and reincarnate, he'll be gone forever and the Imperium will plunge into darkness forever (Inquisitor Lord Karamazov was famous for executing one of the supposed "reincarnations" of the Emperor, much to the chagrin of his collegues). A quote about the 40k universe sums it up:

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** There's the GodEmperor of Mankind, the MessianicArchetype of the setting. Reduced to a shattered husk, kept on life support for 10,000 years ([[HumanSacrifice powered by the lives of 1,000 psyker every day]]), unable to move or communicate yet [[PoweredByAForsakenChild his living consciousness is used as a psychic navigation system]] [[HyperSpaceIsAScaryPlace for Faster than Light travel through what is basically Hell]], and also while the unified humanity he worked to build falls into a {{dystopia}}n hell around him. It gets more into it when you realise that everything he aspired to accomplish (secular humanism and the destruction of Chaos altogether) is being defiled and torn down by the CorruptChurch. ''In his name''. On top of that, the supposed preachers of his word are also the ones possibly conspiring to keep him in the vegetative state, as they're all paranoid and believe that if he is allowed to die and reincarnate, he'll be gone forever and the Imperium will plunge into darkness forever (Inquisitor Lord Karamazov was famous for executing one of the supposed "reincarnations" of the Emperor, much to the chagrin of his collegues).colleagues). A quote about the 40k universe sums it up:



*** Any Daemon Weapon or a bound Daemon results in this on a EldritchAbomination. The daemon is so crazy that he will attempt to devour its wielder just so it can get some sort of outside contact, even though such an act would result in the weapon being rendered inert again.

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*** Any Daemon Weapon or a bound Daemon results in this on a an EldritchAbomination. The daemon is so crazy that he will attempt to devour its wielder just so it can get some sort of outside contact, even though such an act would result in the weapon being rendered inert again.



*** Then its revealed that [[spoiler:Fulgrim had successfully regain control of his body, and he trapped the deamon in the portrait he was trapped in, and is fully embraced his new form as a Daemon Prince.]]

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*** Then its it's revealed that [[spoiler:Fulgrim had successfully regain control of his body, and he trapped the deamon daemon in the portrait he was trapped in, and is fully embraced his new form as a Daemon Prince.]]



** The Eldar as a whole. Once Eldar die, their souls are still fully conscious in the Warp and then immediately sucked into a hellish disgusting vortex by [[EldritchAbomination Slaanesh]] to eternally torture and rape them in countless different ways day and night forever and ever. Thus it is completely necessary for them to make [[MoralEventHorizon gut-wrenching sacrifices]], including manipulating entire civilizations into destroying each other (and in the case of the Dark Eldar, torturing other species as sacrifice to appease said god of pain), just so that they can save one of their own. All Eldar need to carry with them a [[SoulJar Spirit Stone]] (or Waystone in some versions) that absorb their soul upon death, preventing Slaanesh from getting his hands on them. These same stones can be used to revive them in the form of a Wraithguard or Wraithlord or (in the case of farseers) put into the craftworld to join a crystal wall of seers for all of eternity, sharing their knowledge with their descendants. However, it's known that several craftworlds are desolate and completely devoid of life, as well as eldar falling on foreign worlds, their stones remain unretrieved for possibly many years, or never. They will be stuck alone, unable to communicate with anyone (it's stated that they only join their ancestors once their spirit stones are attached to the infinity circuit), for all that time. And you know what? This fate is still ''far'' better than the other gruesome alternative.

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** The Eldar as a whole. Once Eldar die, their souls are still fully conscious in the Warp and then immediately sucked into a hellish disgusting vortex by [[EldritchAbomination Slaanesh]] to eternally torture and rape them in countless different ways day and night forever and ever. Thus it is completely necessary for them to make [[MoralEventHorizon gut-wrenching sacrifices]], including manipulating entire civilizations into destroying each other (and in the case of the Dark Eldar, torturing other species as sacrifice to appease said god of pain), just so that they can save one of their own. All Eldar need to carry with them a [[SoulJar Spirit Stone]] (or Waystone in some versions) that absorb their soul upon death, preventing Slaanesh from getting his hands on them. These same stones can be used to revive them in the form of a Wraithguard or Wraithlord or (in the case of farseers) put into the craftworld to join a crystal wall of seers for all of eternity, sharing their knowledge with their descendants. However, it's known that several craftworlds are desolate and completely devoid of life, as well as eldar Eldar falling on foreign worlds, their stones remain unretrieved for possibly many years, or never. They will be stuck alone, unable to communicate with anyone (it's stated that they only join their ancestors once their spirit stones are attached to the infinity circuit), for all that time. And you know what? This fate is still ''far'' better than the other gruesome alternative.



*** Speaking of Slannesh, there's also his champion, Lucius the Eternal, a complete monster by many people's standards (Even his fellow Chaos Space Marines consider him a monster amongst monsters), who cannot die. To be specific if, by some rare chance you do kill him, if you feel the smallest amount of satsifaction for your deed, you will ever so slowly be transformed into Lucius. Eventually nothing will be left of you, except for a new , throbbing face with an eternal scream fixed onto it on Lucius' armor, and in the 10,000 or so years that he has been killing (And been killed) he has dozens, if not hundreds of those faces covering his armor.

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*** Speaking of Slannesh, there's also his champion, Lucius the Eternal, a complete monster by many people's standards (Even his fellow Chaos Space Marines consider him a monster amongst monsters), who cannot die. To be specific if, by some rare chance you do kill him, if you feel the smallest amount of satsifaction for your deed, you will ever so slowly be transformed into Lucius. Eventually nothing will be left of you, except for a new , new, throbbing face with an eternal scream fixed onto it on Lucius' armor, and in the 10,000 or so years that he has been killing (And been killed) he has dozens, if not hundreds of those faces covering his armor.



* Downplayed and even made [[PlayedForLaughs slightly humorous]] in Stephen Sondheim's ''Sunday in the Park with George.'' At the end of Act One, all of the characters we've seen throughout the first act form a living tableau of ''A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte'', Georges Seurat's masterpiece. It's a beautiful, powerful image... until Act Two begins. It's been one hundred years, and the people in that idyllic park scene have been trapped there all of that time. While they're able to stretch slightly, they can only do so for a few seconds before they have to return to their positions. Time has stopped for them, and while they can't age, they're also wearing many thick layers of clothing on a blisteringly hot summer day, surrounded by people they've come to despise in the past century, and frozen exactly as they were the moment the painting was finished (a little girl with bad vision isn't wearing her glasses, so her vision will always be hopelessly blurred, ''and'' her hands are sticky; a boatman with bad hygiene has his odor lingering around him--and those sitting near him--and so on). And so long as art historians keep restoring ''La Grande Jatte,'' they're going to be stuck like that ''forever.''

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* Downplayed and even made [[PlayedForLaughs slightly humorous]] in Stephen Sondheim's ''Sunday in the Park with George.'' At the end of Act One, all of the characters we've seen throughout the first act form a living tableau of ''A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte'', Georges Seurat's masterpiece. It's a beautiful, powerful image... until Act Two begins. It's been one hundred years, and the people in that idyllic park scene have been trapped there for all of that time. While they're able to stretch slightly, they can only do so for a few seconds before they have to return to their positions. Time has stopped for them, and while they can't age, they're also wearing many thick layers of clothing on a blisteringly hot summer day, surrounded by people they've come to despise in the past century, and frozen exactly as they were the moment the painting was finished (a little girl with bad vision isn't wearing her glasses, so her vision will always be hopelessly blurred, ''and'' her hands are sticky; a boatman with bad hygiene has his odor lingering around him--and those sitting near him--and so on). And so long as art historians keep restoring ''La Grande Jatte,'' they're going to be stuck like that ''forever.''



* ''Theater/{{Wicked}}'' has a particularly ambiguous and downright disturbing example. It's said throughout the play that animals are losing their power of speech, and if applicable, their ability to walk on two legs. But we're never told whether or not they actually remember when they could walk and talk, leaving one of two possibilities…either they have forgotten their own sentience, or they are ' 'psychologically tortured to the point of not speaking out for fear something will happen.' ' Something Bad indeed.

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* ''Theater/{{Wicked}}'' has a particularly ambiguous and downright disturbing example. It's said throughout the play that animals are losing their power of speech, and if applicable, their ability to walk on two legs. But we're never told whether or not they actually remember when they could walk and talk, leaving one of two possibilities…either possibilities: either they have forgotten their own sentience, or they are ' 'psychologically ''psychologically tortured to the point of not speaking out for fear something will happen.' ' '' Something Bad indeed.



* ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' has the EldritchAbomination Tren Krom, who had his body sealed to an island and was rendered completely immobile. Furthermore, he was so hideous that anyone who looked at him ran the risk of going insane. Then, he went and tricked [[TheChewToy Lewa]] into switching bodies with him, leaving poor Lewa stranded on an isolated island in a monstrous, tentacled body, unable to move around, not being able to speak except via telepathy, and with no hope of rescue since his friends think he's still with them, if acting a bit strangely. It got reversed in the end, and after a while, Tren Krom was finally granted his freedom. And then murdered off screen instantly.

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* ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' has the EldritchAbomination Tren Krom, who had his body sealed to into an island and was rendered completely immobile. Furthermore, he was so hideous that anyone who looked at him ran the risk of going insane. Then, he went and tricked [[TheChewToy Lewa]] into switching bodies with him, leaving poor Lewa stranded on an isolated island in a monstrous, tentacled body, unable to move around, not being able to speak except via telepathy, and with no hope of rescue since his friends think he's still with them, if acting a bit strangely. It got reversed in the end, and after a while, Tren Krom was finally granted his freedom. And then murdered off screen instantly.



* Played for laughs in ''WebComic/CommanderKitty'' when [[http://www.commanderkitty.com/2009/04/05/have-a-nice-wait/ a MOUSE unit is accidently beamed into space and left there to plot revenge]]. [[spoiler: [[TheBusCameBack It winds up back on board through a freak accident]].]]

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* Played for laughs in ''WebComic/CommanderKitty'' when [[http://www.commanderkitty.com/2009/04/05/have-a-nice-wait/ a MOUSE unit is accidently accidentally beamed into space and left there to plot revenge]]. [[spoiler: [[TheBusCameBack It winds up back on board through a freak accident]].]]
19th Oct '17 10:22:00 PM darksoul4242
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* Loki from Myth/NorseMythology was chained to a rock by the entrails of his own children with a snake dripping poison over him till the end of time for the murder of Balder among other acts. His wife only provide a brief respite from the pain by collecting the poison in a bowl that must be periodically dumped. [[YouCantFightFate Decrees of fate]] prevent him from dying or being freed. The only time he will be freed is to die in the final battle that ends the world. Interestingly enough, due to the common Indo-European origins of Germanic/Nordic and Greek mythology, the myth parallels that of Prometheus.

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* Loki from Myth/NorseMythology was chained to a rock by the entrails of his own children with a snake dripping poison over him till the end of time for the murder of Balder among other acts. His wife only provide provides a brief respite from the pain by collecting the poison in a bowl that must be periodically dumped. [[YouCantFightFate Decrees of fate]] prevent him from dying or being freed. The only time he will be freed is to die in the final battle that ends the world. Interestingly enough, due to the common Indo-European origins of Germanic/Nordic and Greek mythology, the myth parallels that of Prometheus.
19th Oct '17 10:20:41 PM darksoul4242
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** The centaur Chiron was poisoned by hydra blood and could not heal himself, but due to being the son of Kronos he was immortal which would have left him in agony. Once again Hercules saved the day by arranging from him to die.

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** The centaur Chiron was poisoned by hydra blood and could not heal himself, but due to being the son of Kronos he was immortal which would have left him in agony. Once again Hercules saved the day by arranging from for him to die.
19th Oct '17 10:19:53 PM darksoul4242
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* [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek mythology]] is full of these since many things were immortal. Prometheus was condemned to this by Zeus for stealing fire. He was chained to a rock where an eagle would eat his liver each day. As a Titan god he could not die and his liver would always grow back. In some versions an adamantine spike was driven through his chest for good measure. His harsh punishment is sometimes stated to also be because he refused to tell Zeus who was destined to over throw him so Zeus would never release him. He got off lucky thanks to Hercules freeing him thousands of years later since Prometheus had information Hercules needed.

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* [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek mythology]] is full of these since many things were immortal. Prometheus was condemned to this by Zeus for stealing fire. He was chained to a rock where an eagle would eat his liver each day. As a Titan god he could not die and his liver would always grow back. In some versions an adamantine spike was driven through his chest for good measure. His harsh punishment is sometimes stated to also be because he refused to tell Zeus who was destined to over throw overthrow him so Zeus would never release him. He got off lucky thanks to Hercules freeing him thousands of years later since Prometheus had information Hercules needed.
27th Sep '17 7:20:13 PM angie710
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** Although, it's debatable whether "turned into a pillar of salt" means she was ''literally'' TakenForGranite, or if it's a metaphor for something else (perhaps becoming basically an EmptyShell, or [[LawOfInverseFertility infertility]]).
29th Aug '17 11:23:09 AM AllTheTropes
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* ''Theater/{{Wicked}}'' has a particularly ambiguous and downright disturbing example. It's said throughout the play that animals are losing their power of speech, and if applicable, their ability to walk on two legs. But we're never told whether or not they actually remember when they could walk and talk, leaving one of two possibilities…either they have forgotten their own "sentience", or they are "psychologically tortured to the point of not speaking out for fear something will happen." Something Bad indeed.

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* ''Theater/{{Wicked}}'' has a particularly ambiguous and downright disturbing example. It's said throughout the play that animals are losing their power of speech, and if applicable, their ability to walk on two legs. But we're never told whether or not they actually remember when they could walk and talk, leaving one of two possibilities…either they have forgotten their own "sentience", sentience, or they are "psychologically ' 'psychologically tortured to the point of not speaking out for fear something will happen." ' ' Something Bad indeed.
21st Jul '17 5:48:40 PM darkemyst
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* [[spoiler: Cyril]]'s fate of being reduced to bone while unable to die and pinned by his own blade with King Rodericke regularly collecting shavings of him and then leaving him to heal in ''Webcomic/CharbyTheVampirate''.
20th Jul '17 12:12:20 PM Tacitus
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** The supplement Book of Vile Darkness has the spell Eternity of Torture, which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Like most Vile Magic, only wizards who have already fallen past the MoralEventHorizon would consider using it.
*** A gruesome magic item is known as the Iron Maiden of Preservation, which inflicts and heals 1d6 of damage every round.
** The second Monster Manual in the 4th Edition describes a specific case, the fate of the Primordial Storralk, who challenged Demogorgon for the title of Prince of Demons and came very close to winning. Demogorgon spared him, but ripped his body to pieces, and used the still-living pieces to construct his throne room. Storralk still lives in this state, and the two-headed giants called ettins were originally spawned from his body, including Demogorgon's powerful [[TheDragon Exarch]] Trarak. (Legend says that Storralk can be released from his imprisonment if Tharak is slain and her heart burned upon Demogorgon's throne; the freed Primordial could prove a valuable ally for anyone who would challenge the Prince of Demons.)

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** The supplement Book ''Book of Vile Darkness Darkness'' has the spell Eternity of Torture, which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Like most Vile Magic, only wizards who have already fallen past the MoralEventHorizon would consider using it.
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it. The same book also introduces a gruesome magic item is known as the Iron Maiden of Preservation, which inflicts and ''and'' heals 1d6 points of damage every round.
** The second Monster Manual ''Monster Manual'' in the 4th Edition describes a specific case, the fate of the Primordial Storralk, who challenged Demogorgon for the title of Prince of Demons and came very close to winning. Demogorgon spared him, but ripped his body to pieces, and used the still-living pieces to construct his throne room. Storralk still lives in this state, and the two-headed giants called ettins were originally spawned from his body, including Demogorgon's powerful [[TheDragon Exarch]] Trarak. (Legend says that Storralk can be released from his imprisonment if Tharak is slain and her heart burned upon Demogorgon's throne; the freed Primordial could prove a valuable ally for anyone who would challenge the Prince of Demons.)



** It's hard to feel sorry for an [[EldritchAbomination aboleth]], but as aquatic creatures, they can't breathe air for very long, and they do ''not'' "drown" if they are separated from the water too long. Instead, they enter a state called "Long Dreaming" which they consider far worse than death; a thick membrane forms around the aboleth, and it enters a state of suspended animation where it experiences hideous nightmares. (Of course, an aboleth in such a state is a sitting duck if an enemy - which is most other races - finds it, so it's usually killed soon anyway.)
** The splatbook ''Hordes of the Abyss'' from 3.5 edition expands upon DemonicPossession and what it entails. One in particular, the [[BalefulPolymorph transformer]] possession, allows the possessing demon to transform part of their host's body into a demonic shape. This trope comes into play when the demon completely transforms the victim; the book says "the demon has essentially replaced" the victim, leaving them trapped inside with no way to communicate or even [[FightingFromWithin fight from within]] AND having [[ForcedToWatch to see every atrocity the demon is committing]].

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** It's hard to feel sorry for an [[EldritchAbomination aboleth]], but as aquatic creatures, they can't breathe air for very long, and but they do ''not'' "drown" if they are separated from the water too long. Instead, they enter a state called "Long Dreaming" which they consider far worse than death; a thick membrane forms around the aboleth, and it enters a state of suspended animation where it experiences hideous nightmares. (Of course, an aboleth in such a state is a sitting duck if an enemy - which is most other races - finds it, so it's usually killed soon anyway.)
** The splatbook ''Hordes of the Abyss'' from 3.5 edition expands upon DemonicPossession and what it entails. One in particular, the [[BalefulPolymorph transformer]] possession, allows the possessing demon to transform part of their host's body into a demonic shape. This trope comes into play when the demon completely transforms the victim; the book says "the demon has essentially replaced" the victim, leaving them trapped inside with no way to communicate or even [[FightingFromWithin [[FightingFromTheInside fight from within]] AND having [[ForcedToWatch to see every atrocity the demon is committing]].committing]].
** The accompanying ''Tyrants of the Nine Hells'' describes a variety of Baatezu called the Nupperibo. These unfortunate devils have [[YouHaveFailedMe failed]] their superiors in some way, so they're carted off to be tortured and mutilated as part of their demotion to a lower form of fiend. Their get their [[EyeScream eyes]] and {{mouth stitched shut}}, their ears are filled with lead, their bodies are pumped full of all manner of foulness until they're bloated with corruption, and finally their brains are extracted through their nostrils. The result is a blind, deaf, mute, mindless wretch that can serve as CannonFodder in the Blood War, a beast of burden/slave laborer, and a very potent reminder of the price of failure.
10th Jun '17 12:15:33 PM Mineboot45
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* [[http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=99004 xkcd]] did a pretty literal one; it also skewers a classic schoolyard LameComeback as well.

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* [[http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=99004 [[https://xkcd.com/1139/ xkcd]] did a pretty literal one; it also skewers a classic schoolyard LameComeback as well.
23rd May '17 8:35:52 PM RealZodiacKiller
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** The Tzimisce in ''Vampire: The Masquerade'' do this ''for kicks'' to whoever screws with them, and a few who don't.

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** The Tzimisce in ''Vampire: The Masquerade'' do this ''for kicks'' to whoever screws with them, and a few who don't. Similarly, characters with an advanced understanding of the ''Obtenebration'' ability can use the ''Enter the Abyss'' power to take yourself and someone else into the Abyss, and it is very clear that you can leave them there, alone, to die.
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