History Main / AncientGreece

20th Jul '16 8:29:32 AM Veanne
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!!Popular tropes that feature this time period are:

* AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that in himself.

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!!Popular !! Popular tropes that feature or came around in this time period are:

* AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that in himself.himself. Yes, FanFiction is OlderThanTheyThink.



%%* AnAesop

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%%* AnAesop* AnAesop: The TropeNamer, Aesop, lived and wrote back then, although the concept is probably as old as storytelling itself.



* BadassGay: Notably the Sacred Band
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Inverted to Tartarus and back. A small wang was a sign of virility, while being hung like a horse was just plain silly looking to them!
** Though played straight with Priapus, a Greek god of fertility, who sported such a monster, and in fact is the source of the medical term for an unnaturally long-lasting erection. However Priapus' erection is also seen as a symbol of his incredibly boorish and vulgar nature, and all the other gods scorn him.
* BazaarOfTheBizarre : The Agora was not only the town market but the place where they went to argue philosophy and politics. You could say that it's most bizarre product was knowledge or attempts at it.
* BladeOnAStick: Hoplites' combined spears with heavy armour and shields in a tight formation to create a mass of metal which couldn't be fought head-on any other way than using your own and hoping yours doesn't break. Hoplites largely ''were'' Greek warfare for many years before tactics thought about ''not'' [[HitAndRunTactics fighting them head-on]].

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* BadassGay: Notably the Sacred Band
Band.
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Inverted to Tartarus and back. A small wang was a sign of virility, while being hung like a horse was just plain silly looking to them!
looking!
** Though played straight (hem, hem) with Priapus, a Greek god of fertility, who sported such a monster, and in fact is the source of the medical term for an unnaturally long-lasting erection. However Priapus' erection is also seen as a symbol of his incredibly boorish and vulgar nature, and all the other gods scorn him.
* BazaarOfTheBizarre : BazaarOfTheBizarre: The Agora was not only the town market but the place where they went to argue philosophy and politics. You could say that it's its most bizarre product was knowledge or (or attempts at it.
it).
* BladeOnAStick: Hoplites' combined spears with heavy armour and shields in a tight formation to create a mass of metal which couldn't be fought head-on any other way than using one of your own and hoping yours it doesn't break. Hoplites largely ''were'' Greek warfare for many years before tactics the tacticians thought about ''not'' [[HitAndRunTactics fighting them head-on]].



* TheFederation: What the Delian league started as, before becoming a HegemonicEmpire

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* TheFederation: What the Delian league started as, before becoming a HegemonicEmpireHegemonicEmpire.



%%* FatalFlaw

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%%* FatalFlaw* FatalFlaw: Since it's the keystone of Greek {{Tragedy}}.



* LosingTheTeamSpirit: Battles in ancient Greece for many years were just hoplite formations smashing into each other. Being both heavily armoured in close formation, these battles led to very few casualties and ended with one side cracking first by breaking ranks and subsequently fleeing, knowing they now had no ability to engage their enemies and win.
* HegemonicEmpire: Athens could be considered the UrExample and TropeNamer. It led the formation of the [[TheFederation Delian League]] of cities to fight the Persians, but continued leading the league after the war (as [[TropeNamer "hegemon"]]), and militarily/navaly and economically dominated the other cities and dictated policy to them to the point that it became referred to as the [[TheEmpire "Athenian Empire"]]
* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself an ancient Greek word).
* HitAndRunTactics: The innovation of lightly-armoured skirmishers attacking from afar and retreating when the slow hoplite formations got somewhat close ended the hoplites' dominance over Greek battlefields.

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* LosingTheTeamSpirit: Battles in ancient Greece for many years were just hoplite formations smashing into each other. Being both heavily armoured and in close formation, these battles led to very few casualties and ended with one side cracking first by breaking ranks and subsequently fleeing, knowing they now had no ability to engage their enemies and win.
couldn't win anymore.
* HegemonicEmpire: Athens could be considered the UrExample and TropeNamer. It led the formation of the [[TheFederation Delian League]] of cities to fight the Persians, but continued leading the league after the war (as [[TropeNamer "hegemon"]]), and militarily/navaly and economically dominated the other cities and dictated policy to them to the point that it became referred to as the [[TheEmpire "Athenian Empire"]]
Empire"]].
* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself an ancient a Greek word).
* HitAndRunTactics: The innovation of lightly-armoured skirmishers attacking from afar and retreating when the slow hoplite formations got somewhat close ended the hoplites' dominance over Greek battlefields.



* LuckilyMyShieldWillProtectMe: In Ancient Greek tradition the symbol of martial pride was not the sword as in many cultures(Greek swords were sidearms which came in two flavors: leaf-bladed xiphoses, and falcata-like kopides from which the Nepalese [[KukrisAreKool kukri]] is descended), but their gigantic shields or "hoplons" made for phalanx fighting. For instance when measuring the depth of a phalanx (customarily eight deep but once in awhile beefed up by a general who wanted to try something new), they would talk of how many shields deep it was.

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* LuckilyMyShieldWillProtectMe: In Ancient Greek tradition the symbol of martial pride was not the sword as in many cultures(Greek cultures (Greek swords were sidearms which came in two flavors: leaf-bladed xiphoses, and falcata-like kopides from which the Nepalese [[KukrisAreKool kukri]] is descended), but their gigantic shields or "hoplons" made for phalanx fighting. For instance when measuring the depth of a phalanx (customarily eight deep but once in awhile a while beefed up by a general who wanted to try something new), they would talk of how many shields deep it was.



%%* ThePhilosopher

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%%* ThePhilosopher* ThePhilosopher: Ancient Greece, or, to be more precise, the Greek cities in Asia Minor is where western philosophy first appeared.



* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy than freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves it would purchase and manumit them.

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* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy than freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves slaves, it would purchase and manumit them.
15th Jul '16 12:24:20 AM PaulA
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* ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'' and ''Film/JasonAndTheArgonauts'' by Creator/RayHarryhausen.

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* ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'' ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|1981}}'' and ''Film/JasonAndTheArgonauts'' by Creator/RayHarryhausen.
8th Jul '16 2:53:43 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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live here too, and they're known for their [[TrainingFromHell brutal training methods]], stylish [[BulletTime slow-motion fighting techniques]] and for being manly enough to charge nearly naked into battle even when outnumbered 70 to 1. And they ''[[BlatantLies definitely]]'' [[HoYay aren't gay]]. Frequently [[AncientGrome confused]] with AncientRome by directors who [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]].

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live here too, and they're known for their [[TrainingFromHell brutal training methods]], stylish [[BulletTime slow-motion fighting techniques]] and for being manly enough to charge nearly naked into battle even when outnumbered 70 to 1. And they ''[[BlatantLies definitely]]'' [[HoYay aren't gay]]. Frequently [[AncientGrome confused]] with AncientRome by directors who [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]].
care.
25th May '16 12:50:36 AM PaulA
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* Creator/DavidGemmell's ''Lion of Macedon'' is a retelling of Alexander the Great (or, rather, his dad).


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* Creator/DavidGemmell's ''Literature/LionOfMacedon'' is a retelling of Alexander the Great (or, rather, his dad).
10th May '16 2:35:47 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''EmpireEarth''

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* ''EmpireEarth''''VideoGame/EmpireEarth''
22nd Mar '16 4:11:03 PM DoctorCooper
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* {{Achilles Heel}}: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that in himself.
* {{Achilles In His Tent}}: From TheIliad.

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* {{Achilles Heel}}: AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that in himself.
* {{Achilles In His Tent}}: AchillesInHisTent: From TheIliad.Literature/TheIliad.



* {{An Aesop}}

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* {{An Aesop}}%%* AnAesop



** [[BadassArmy Badass Navy]]: Athens and Rhodes during their respective time periods.

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** [[BadassArmy Badass Navy]]: Athens and Rhodes counted as a[[BadassArmy Badass Navy]] during their respective time periods.



* {{Cassandra Truth}}

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* {{Cassandra Truth}}%%* CassandraTruth



* FatalFlaw
* LovePotion (Eros's arrows)

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* %%* FatalFlaw
* %%* LovePotion (Eros's arrows)



* MadeOfIron: Not really, no. But they sure took a lot of iron with them when they went to battle.



* ThePhilosopher
* PhysicalGod

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* %%* ThePhilosopher
* %%* PhysicalGod
4th Mar '16 9:21:11 PM FurryKef
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* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy then freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves it would purchase and manumit them.

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* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy then than freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves it would purchase and manumit them.
4th Mar '16 9:20:17 PM FurryKef
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* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly mysogynistic (which is itself an ancient Greek word).

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* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly mysogynistic misogynistic (which is itself an ancient Greek word).
4th Mar '16 9:20:02 PM FurryKef
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* HegemonicEmpire: Athens could be considered the UrExample and TropeNamer. It lead the formation of the [[TheFederation Delian League]] of cities to fight the Persians, but continued leading the league after the war (as [[TropeNamer "hegemon"]]), and militarily/navaly and economically dominated the other cities and dictated policy to them to the point that it became referred to as the [[TheEmpire "Athenian Empire"]]

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* HegemonicEmpire: Athens could be considered the UrExample and TropeNamer. It lead led the formation of the [[TheFederation Delian League]] of cities to fight the Persians, but continued leading the league after the war (as [[TropeNamer "hegemon"]]), and militarily/navaly and economically dominated the other cities and dictated policy to them to the point that it became referred to as the [[TheEmpire "Athenian Empire"]]
6th Jan '16 4:22:31 PM hamza678
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* GalleySlave: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy then freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves it would purchase and manumit them.


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* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy then freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves it would purchase and manumit them.
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