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10th Sep '16 4:29:19 PM DeanMT94
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* The ''Wrath of Sparta'' expansion campaign to ''VideoGame/TotalWarRomeII'', which focuses on the Peloponnesian War.
9th Sep '16 4:06:22 PM DeanMT94
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* HomeGuard: Standing armies were not a known concept for much of Ancient Greece - warfare largely consisted of middle-class citizens acting as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite hoplites]] with equipment purchased by themselves. Due to this, conflicts were close to the participants' land, confirmed to summertime and usually consisted of a single battle. However, serving in the military however temporary it tended to be was mandatory for citizens.

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* HomeGuard: Standing armies were not a known concept for much of Ancient Greece - warfare largely consisted of middle-class citizens acting as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite hoplites]] with equipment purchased by themselves. Due to this, conflicts were close to the participants' land, confirmed to summertime and usually consisted of a single battle. However, serving in the military however temporary it tended to be was mandatory for citizens. The big exception, of course, was Sparta, where it was ''illegal'' for a citizen male to be anything ''except'' a soldier.
8th Sep '16 7:20:09 AM 06tele
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** Averted, weirdly, with Spartan society, where (unlike in Athens) women were allowed to inherit property and taught to read and write. Spartan girls were also fed the same food as boys and, unlike Athenian girls who were typically married off at 12 or 13, Spartan girls weren't expected to take a husband until their late teens or early 20s, making them much healthier than their Athenian counterparts.[[note]]The practical reason was that Sparta needed to keep its birthrate up and not have women die in childbirth.[[/note]] Spartan girls exercised, just like Spartan boys. They had their own rites and rituals, and whereas Athenian women were dressed in heavy clothes and kept indoors, Spartan women wore light clothes and could walk around in public. They were also encouraged to develop the famous laconic wit. Plutarch published a collection of ''Sayings of Spartan Women''. There are next to no recorded sayings of Athenian women.

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** Averted, weirdly, with Spartan society, where (unlike in Athens) women were allowed to inherit property and taught to read and write. Spartan girls were also fed the same food as boys and, unlike Athenian girls who were typically married off at 12 or 13, Spartan girls weren't expected to take a husband until their late teens or early 20s, making them much healthier than their Athenian counterparts.[[note]]The practical reason was that Sparta needed to keep its birthrate up and not have women die in childbirth.[[/note]] Spartan girls exercised, just like Spartan boys. They had their own rites and rituals, and whereas Athenian women were dressed in heavy clothes and kept indoors, Spartan women wore light clothes and could walk around in public. They were also encouraged to develop the famous laconic wit. Plutarch published a collection of ''Sayings of Spartan Women''. There are next to no recorded sayings of Athenian women.[[note]]Plenty of Athenian men noted that the aforementioned Aspasia was a great conversationalist, but none of them bothered to actually write down anything she said.[[/note]]
8th Sep '16 7:08:23 AM 06tele
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* HeManWomanHater: Played straight with Athenian society, which was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself a Greek word). Pericles, Athens's most eminent statesman, divorced his wife and lived with his mistress Aspasia, about whom very little is known for sure because most of the people who said or wrote anything about her were scandalised by the fact that she was both smart and opinionated.

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* HeManWomanHater: Played straight with Athenian society, which was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself a Greek word). One of the very few famous Athenian women was Aspasia, the mistress of Pericles, Athens's most eminent statesman, divorced his wife and lived with his mistress Aspasia, about whom very statesman. Very little about her is known for sure sure, because most of the people men who said or wrote anything about her were scandalised repelled by the fact that she was both smart and opinionated.
8th Sep '16 6:54:53 AM 06tele
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** Averted, weirdly, with Spartan society, where (unlike in Athens) women were allowed to inherit property and taught to read and write. Spartan girls were also fed the same food as boys and, unlike Athenian girls who were typically married off at 12 or 13, Spartan girls weren't expected to take a husband until their late teens or early 20s, making them much healthier than their Athenian counterparts.[[note]]The practical reason was that Sparta needed keep its birthrate up and not have women die in childbirth.[[/note]] Unlike Athenian women, Spartan women could walk around in public and were allowed to wear lighter clothes, and they were encouraged to develop the famous laconic wit. Plutarch published a collection of ''Sayings of Spartan Women''. There are next to no recorded sayings of Athenian women.

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** Averted, weirdly, with Spartan society, where (unlike in Athens) women were allowed to inherit property and taught to read and write. Spartan girls were also fed the same food as boys and, unlike Athenian girls who were typically married off at 12 or 13, Spartan girls weren't expected to take a husband until their late teens or early 20s, making them much healthier than their Athenian counterparts.[[note]]The practical reason was that Sparta needed to keep its birthrate up and not have women die in childbirth.[[/note]] Unlike Spartan girls exercised, just like Spartan boys. They had their own rites and rituals, and whereas Athenian women, women were dressed in heavy clothes and kept indoors, Spartan women wore light clothes and could walk around in public and public. They were allowed to wear lighter clothes, and they were also encouraged to develop the famous laconic wit. Plutarch published a collection of ''Sayings of Spartan Women''. There are next to no recorded sayings of Athenian women.
8th Sep '16 6:50:56 AM 06tele
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* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself a Greek word).

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* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society Played straight with Athenian society, which was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself a Greek word).word). Pericles, Athens's most eminent statesman, divorced his wife and lived with his mistress Aspasia, about whom very little is known for sure because most of the people who said or wrote anything about her were scandalised by the fact that she was both smart and opinionated.
** Averted, weirdly, with Spartan society, where (unlike in Athens) women were allowed to inherit property and taught to read and write. Spartan girls were also fed the same food as boys and, unlike Athenian girls who were typically married off at 12 or 13, Spartan girls weren't expected to take a husband until their late teens or early 20s, making them much healthier than their Athenian counterparts.[[note]]The practical reason was that Sparta needed keep its birthrate up and not have women die in childbirth.[[/note]] Unlike Athenian women, Spartan women could walk around in public and were allowed to wear lighter clothes, and they were encouraged to develop the famous laconic wit. Plutarch published a collection of ''Sayings of Spartan Women''. There are next to no recorded sayings of Athenian women.
11th Aug '16 5:02:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that himself. Yes, FanFiction is OlderThanTheyThink.

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* AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad Literature/TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that himself. Yes, FanFiction is OlderThanTheyThink.
1st Aug '16 6:26:20 PM PaulA
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* ''The Firebrand'' by MarionZimmerBradley.

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* ''The Firebrand'' by MarionZimmerBradley.Creator/MarionZimmerBradley is a retelling of the Trojan War that gives the focus to the female characters.
20th Jul '16 8:29:32 AM Veanne
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!!Popular tropes that feature this time period are:

* AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that in himself.

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!!Popular !! Popular tropes that feature or came around in this time period are:

* AchillesHeel: Actually ''not'' from TheIliad but rather a later writer who just happened to write that in himself.himself. Yes, FanFiction is OlderThanTheyThink.



%%* AnAesop

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%%* AnAesop* AnAesop: The TropeNamer, Aesop, lived and wrote back then, although the concept is probably as old as storytelling itself.



* BadassGay: Notably the Sacred Band
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Inverted to Tartarus and back. A small wang was a sign of virility, while being hung like a horse was just plain silly looking to them!
** Though played straight with Priapus, a Greek god of fertility, who sported such a monster, and in fact is the source of the medical term for an unnaturally long-lasting erection. However Priapus' erection is also seen as a symbol of his incredibly boorish and vulgar nature, and all the other gods scorn him.
* BazaarOfTheBizarre : The Agora was not only the town market but the place where they went to argue philosophy and politics. You could say that it's most bizarre product was knowledge or attempts at it.
* BladeOnAStick: Hoplites' combined spears with heavy armour and shields in a tight formation to create a mass of metal which couldn't be fought head-on any other way than using your own and hoping yours doesn't break. Hoplites largely ''were'' Greek warfare for many years before tactics thought about ''not'' [[HitAndRunTactics fighting them head-on]].

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* BadassGay: Notably the Sacred Band
Band.
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Inverted to Tartarus and back. A small wang was a sign of virility, while being hung like a horse was just plain silly looking to them!
looking!
** Though played straight (hem, hem) with Priapus, a Greek god of fertility, who sported such a monster, and in fact is the source of the medical term for an unnaturally long-lasting erection. However Priapus' erection is also seen as a symbol of his incredibly boorish and vulgar nature, and all the other gods scorn him.
* BazaarOfTheBizarre : BazaarOfTheBizarre: The Agora was not only the town market but the place where they went to argue philosophy and politics. You could say that it's its most bizarre product was knowledge or (or attempts at it.
it).
* BladeOnAStick: Hoplites' combined spears with heavy armour and shields in a tight formation to create a mass of metal which couldn't be fought head-on any other way than using one of your own and hoping yours it doesn't break. Hoplites largely ''were'' Greek warfare for many years before tactics the tacticians thought about ''not'' [[HitAndRunTactics fighting them head-on]].



* TheFederation: What the Delian league started as, before becoming a HegemonicEmpire

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* TheFederation: What the Delian league started as, before becoming a HegemonicEmpireHegemonicEmpire.



%%* FatalFlaw

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%%* FatalFlaw* FatalFlaw: Since it's the keystone of Greek {{Tragedy}}.



* LosingTheTeamSpirit: Battles in ancient Greece for many years were just hoplite formations smashing into each other. Being both heavily armoured in close formation, these battles led to very few casualties and ended with one side cracking first by breaking ranks and subsequently fleeing, knowing they now had no ability to engage their enemies and win.
* HegemonicEmpire: Athens could be considered the UrExample and TropeNamer. It led the formation of the [[TheFederation Delian League]] of cities to fight the Persians, but continued leading the league after the war (as [[TropeNamer "hegemon"]]), and militarily/navaly and economically dominated the other cities and dictated policy to them to the point that it became referred to as the [[TheEmpire "Athenian Empire"]]
* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself an ancient Greek word).
* HitAndRunTactics: The innovation of lightly-armoured skirmishers attacking from afar and retreating when the slow hoplite formations got somewhat close ended the hoplites' dominance over Greek battlefields.

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* LosingTheTeamSpirit: Battles in ancient Greece for many years were just hoplite formations smashing into each other. Being both heavily armoured and in close formation, these battles led to very few casualties and ended with one side cracking first by breaking ranks and subsequently fleeing, knowing they now had no ability to engage their enemies and win.
couldn't win anymore.
* HegemonicEmpire: Athens could be considered the UrExample and TropeNamer. It led the formation of the [[TheFederation Delian League]] of cities to fight the Persians, but continued leading the league after the war (as [[TropeNamer "hegemon"]]), and militarily/navaly and economically dominated the other cities and dictated policy to them to the point that it became referred to as the [[TheEmpire "Athenian Empire"]]
Empire"]].
* HeManWomanHater: Greek Society was profoundly misogynistic (which is itself an ancient a Greek word).
* HitAndRunTactics: The innovation of lightly-armoured skirmishers attacking from afar and retreating when the slow hoplite formations got somewhat close ended the hoplites' dominance over Greek battlefields.



* LuckilyMyShieldWillProtectMe: In Ancient Greek tradition the symbol of martial pride was not the sword as in many cultures(Greek swords were sidearms which came in two flavors: leaf-bladed xiphoses, and falcata-like kopides from which the Nepalese [[KukrisAreKool kukri]] is descended), but their gigantic shields or "hoplons" made for phalanx fighting. For instance when measuring the depth of a phalanx (customarily eight deep but once in awhile beefed up by a general who wanted to try something new), they would talk of how many shields deep it was.

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* LuckilyMyShieldWillProtectMe: In Ancient Greek tradition the symbol of martial pride was not the sword as in many cultures(Greek cultures (Greek swords were sidearms which came in two flavors: leaf-bladed xiphoses, and falcata-like kopides from which the Nepalese [[KukrisAreKool kukri]] is descended), but their gigantic shields or "hoplons" made for phalanx fighting. For instance when measuring the depth of a phalanx (customarily eight deep but once in awhile a while beefed up by a general who wanted to try something new), they would talk of how many shields deep it was.



%%* ThePhilosopher

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%%* ThePhilosopher* ThePhilosopher: Ancient Greece, or, to be more precise, the Greek cities in Asia Minor is where western philosophy first appeared.



* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy than freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves it would purchase and manumit them.

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* SlaveGalley: Subverted. Nobody put slaves on an oar if they could help it, that was a development of the Renaissance; they weren't reliable or skilled enough (proper oarsmanship and fitness was more difficult than one might think) and local custom made them less easy than freemen to dismiss after hostilities. Moreover there were usually enough poor around who were desperate for work. If a navy was pressed so hard that it stooped to using slaves slaves, it would purchase and manumit them.
15th Jul '16 12:24:20 AM PaulA
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* ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'' and ''Film/JasonAndTheArgonauts'' by Creator/RayHarryhausen.

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* ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'' ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|1981}}'' and ''Film/JasonAndTheArgonauts'' by Creator/RayHarryhausen.
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