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29th Oct '16 10:44:12 PM JapaneseTeeth
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* ''Manga/DailyLifeWithMonsterGirl'' is very vague on exactly how socially conscious and mature [[SlimeGirl Suu]] is, especially in regards to when she sexually assaults the other girls. On one hand, she's shown to learn from them mainly by imitation, is ignorant of many aspects of society, and her biology is so different from everyone else's that it's arguable whether she understands what sex even ''is''. On the other hand, it's also implied that [[ObfuscatingStupidity she's much smarter than she lets on]] and at least ''partially'' understands the situation. The fact that her mental state is heavily dependent on the materials she's absorbed makes it even harder to tell exactly how innocent she is.
17th Jul '16 5:29:39 AM Adept
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* The villain in the LordPeterWimsey novel ''Whose Body?'' is a sociopath who kills for the fun of it, and has a dream of returning people to the pre-Garden of Eden state by freeing them from guilt (and implicitly making them more like himself). Note, that [[Creator/DorothyLSayers Sayers]] was also a Christian writer.

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* The villain in the LordPeterWimsey Literature/LordPeterWimsey novel ''Whose Body?'' is a sociopath who kills for the fun of it, and has a dream of returning people to the pre-Garden of Eden state by freeing them from guilt (and implicitly making them more like himself). Note, that [[Creator/DorothyLSayers Sayers]] was also a Christian writer.
17th Jun '16 6:12:58 PM WillBGood
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-->''I shook hands with him; it seemed silly not to, for I felt suddenly as though [[AmbiguousInnocence I were talking to a child]]. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday Then he went into the jewelry store to buy a pearl necklace--or perhaps only a pair of cuff buttons]]--rid of my provincial squeamishness forever.''

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-->''I shook hands with him; it seemed silly not to, for I felt suddenly as though [[AmbiguousInnocence I were talking to a child]].child. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday Then he went into the jewelry store to buy a pearl necklace--or perhaps only a pair of cuff buttons]]--rid of my provincial squeamishness forever.''
14th Jun '16 9:44:59 AM TVRulezAgain
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* One possible interpretation of the [[{{Deconstruction}} character]] of [[PrincessClassic Lily]] from ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' is this. [[BigBad Darkness]] goes out of his way to tell everyone how innocent she is, but in the first few minutes of the movie, we witness her lie and steal. Later, she takes to manipulating [[TimCurry Darkness]] with terrifying ease.

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* One possible interpretation of the [[{{Deconstruction}} character]] of [[PrincessClassic Lily]] from ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' is this. [[BigBad Darkness]] goes out of his way to tell everyone how innocent she is, but in the first few minutes of the movie, we witness her lie and steal. Later, she takes to manipulating [[TimCurry [[Creator/TimCurry Darkness]] with terrifying ease.
28th May '16 8:50:50 PM WanderingBrowser
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* Speaking of Hansel and Gretel, if anyone in ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' qualifies for this trope, it's them. Orphans who were taken from Romanian orphanages after Ceausescu's dictatorship was overthrown, they were forced to participate in child pornography and {{snuff film}}s, where they were they learned to kill in order to survive. Needless to say, this ''broke'' them mentally, leaving them so screwed up that they really don't understand that people aren't ''supposed'' to rape, kill and mutilate each others. Indeed, they think that killing people ''keeps the universe running'', and that the ''purpose'' of humanity is to butcher each other.
27th May '16 10:01:25 AM Dame-Amaryllis
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* ''Virgin Ripper'': Nagi, a kitten who became a humanoid ''shinigami'' after he died but has since been traumatized into amnesia, still has his soul-reaping claws (sword-blades on his hands à la [[Manga/OnePiece Capt. Kuro]]). He loves his "mama" and won't hesitate to "make squishy" anyone who hurts her, including a pair of [[Manga/BlackLagoon Hansel and Gretel]] {{expy}}s.

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* ''Virgin Ripper'': ''Manga/VirginRipper'': Nagi, a kitten who became a humanoid ''shinigami'' after he died but has since been traumatized into amnesia, still has his soul-reaping claws (sword-blades on his hands à la [[Manga/OnePiece Capt. Kuro]]). He loves his "mama" and won't hesitate to "make squishy" anyone who hurts her, including a pair of [[Manga/BlackLagoon Hansel and Gretel]] {{expy}}s.
10th Apr '16 6:54:36 PM Orbiting
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* Music/MelanieMartinez's "Cry Baby" is a ConceptAlbbum based around the idea of presenting complex adult situations through the lens and metaphor of childhood, so naturally it's chock-full of this.

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* Music/MelanieMartinez's "Cry Baby" is a ConceptAlbbum ConceptAlbum based around the idea of presenting complex adult situations through the lens and metaphor of childhood, so naturally it's chock-full of this.
15th Mar '16 12:56:17 AM Pichu-kun
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* Explored in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' with Kaworu, particularly in the manga. Sadamoto had Twain's ''Mysterious Stranger'' in mind when plotting out his character, resulting in what some fans call "Evil Manga Kaworu".
** Most notably, he ''[[ShootTheDog snaps a stray kitten's neck]]'', reasoning that it was faster and more merciful than letting it starve to death. It takes several panels for the cat to die and the cat is clearly in pain the entire time. We also get a shot of Shinji's horrified face.

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* Explored in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' with Kaworu, particularly in the manga. Sadamoto had Twain's ''Mysterious Stranger'' in mind when plotting out his character, resulting in what some fans call "Evil Manga Kaworu".
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Kaworu". Most notably, he ''[[ShootTheDog snaps a stray kitten's neck]]'', reasoning that it was faster and more merciful than letting it starve to death. It takes several panels for the cat to die and the cat is clearly in pain the entire time. We also get a shot of Shinji's horrified face.



* The homonculus Gluttony in both incarnations of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' (especially the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist anime]]). He is too dumb to think on his own and merely does what he's told, which mostly involves killing and eating people. He lacks the ability to understand that this is in any way wrong.
** The anime version of Wrath is also this before being made aware of his nature and undergoing a FaceHeelTurn -- having spent his formative years [[spoiler:inside the Gate of Truth]], he's completely unaware of human life and customs, with occasionally creepy results.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'':
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The homonculus Gluttony in both incarnations of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' ''Fullmetal Alchemist'' (especially the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist anime]]). He is too dumb to think on his own and merely does what he's told, which mostly involves killing and eating people. He lacks the ability to understand that this is in any way wrong.
** The anime version of Wrath is also this before being made aware of his nature and undergoing a FaceHeelTurn -- having spent his formative years [[spoiler:inside the Gate of Truth]], he's completely unaware of human life and customs, with occasionally creepy CreepyChild results.



* ComicBook/LenoreTheCuteLittleDeadGirl, the cheerful grave-dancing girl in the page image, is an innocent {{undead|Child}} abomination who has a habit of accidentally killing all her pets. From her page: Lenore's actions often result in the death or injury to those around her, and in various forms of chaos, yet she is not a malicious character, and often thinks she is doing good.
** [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Maybe]].

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* ComicBook/LenoreTheCuteLittleDeadGirl, the cheerful grave-dancing girl in the page image, is an innocent {{undead|Child}} abomination who has a habit of accidentally killing all her pets. From her page: Lenore's actions often result in the death or injury to those around her, and in various forms of chaos, yet she is not a malicious character, and often thinks she is doing good.
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good. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Maybe]].



* This trope was assumed to be true for the audience of the original {{fairy tales}}, so they provide [[{{Anvilicious}} clear-cut rewards for good deeds]] and [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin punishment (often terrible) for bad actions]] as AnAesop for the difference between right and wrong.
** Or, rather, they provide ''what was considered at the time'' to be clear-cut rewards and punishments. Quite often along the way, Prince Charming is blinded or in some other way maimed for doing the right thing ''before'' he gets the girls.

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* This trope was assumed to be true for the audience of the original {{fairy tales}}, so they provide [[{{Anvilicious}} clear-cut rewards for good deeds]] and [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin punishment (often terrible) for bad actions]] as AnAesop for the difference between right and wrong.
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wrong. Or, rather, they provide ''what was considered at the time'' to be clear-cut rewards and punishments. Quite often along the way, Prince Charming is blinded or in some other way maimed for doing the right thing ''before'' he gets the girls.


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* Music/MelanieMartinez's "Cry Baby" is a ConceptAlbbum based around the idea of presenting complex adult situations through the lens and metaphor of childhood, so naturally it's chock-full of this.
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8th Mar '16 12:20:34 PM Josef5678
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* This is [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation one possible interpretation]] of Akito in ''Manga/FruitsBasket''--he just [[DomesticAbuser made life hell for people]] because no one ever told him it was wrong.

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* This is [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation one possible interpretation]] of Akito in ''Manga/FruitsBasket''--he just [[DomesticAbuser [[DomesticAbuse made life hell for people]] because no one ever told him it was wrong.
4th Mar '16 2:18:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* One possible interpretation of the [[{{Deconstruction}} character]] of [[PrincessClassic Lily]] from ''Film/{{Legend}}'' is this. [[BigBad Darkness]] goes out of his way to tell everyone how innocent she is, but in the first few minutes of the movie, we witness her lie and steal. Later, she takes to manipulating [[TimCurry Darkness]] with terrifying ease.

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* One possible interpretation of the [[{{Deconstruction}} character]] of [[PrincessClassic Lily]] from ''Film/{{Legend}}'' ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' is this. [[BigBad Darkness]] goes out of his way to tell everyone how innocent she is, but in the first few minutes of the movie, we witness her lie and steal. Later, she takes to manipulating [[TimCurry Darkness]] with terrifying ease.



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