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6th May '18 6:58:50 PM Godzillawolf
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** Zeno, the Omni-King of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. The most powerful God in existence, that could destroy all universes in the blink of an eye, and he acts like a small child. The fact he will destroy the losers universes in the Universe Survival Arc, and was playing with his future counterpart a chess like game while destroying 202 real planets just brings to question how [[BlueAndOrangeMorality otherworldly]] the Lord of All is. There is a reason why Beerus and Champa are scared shitless of him. On top of it all, it's revealed during the Universe Survival Arc that [[spoiler:Zeno was planning to destroy some of the other universes to begin with, and Goku reminding him of the Tournament of Power just gave him a convenient excuse to do so, heck it turns out that Zeno actually wants to erase ''all'' of the universes as soon as the tournament is over with the only reason that he didn't do so is because of Android 17's wish]]. Beerus himself notes that Zen'o is truly innocent and noble, which is [[PureIsNotGood exactly why he's so dangerous]].

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** Zeno, the Omni-King of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. The most powerful God in existence, that could destroy all universes in the blink of an eye, and he acts like a small child. The fact he will destroy the losers universes in the Universe Survival Arc, and was playing with his future counterpart a chess like game while destroying 202 real planets just brings to question how [[BlueAndOrangeMorality otherworldly]] the Lord of All is. There is a reason why Beerus and Champa are scared shitless of him. On top of it all, it's revealed during the Universe Survival Arc that [[spoiler:Zeno was planning to destroy some of the other universes to begin with, and Goku reminding him of the Tournament of Power just gave him a convenient excuse to do so, heck so...though it turns out he fully believed that Zeno actually wants to erase ''all'' of the universes as soon as winner would wish the tournament is over with others back and it was a SecretTestOfCharacter and he'd have found the only reason that he didn't do so is because of Android 17's wish]].multiverse not worth keeping around had a selfish wish been the result]]. Beerus himself notes that Zen'o is truly innocent and noble, which is [[PureIsNotGood exactly why he's so dangerous]].
24th Apr '18 9:38:00 AM GreatKeith
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* Porky Minch of ''VideoGame/{{Earthbound}}'' is established early on as a bit of a bully, but not malicious and seems to view Ness as his friend. As the game goes on he becomes more of a jerk, however... [[spoiler: When Ness talks to him in [[DreamLand Magicant]], it's implied that Porky really wants to make amends and Ness can see right through his jerk act. When you front [[EldritchAbomination Giygas]] at the end of the game, Porky appears alongside him and it's extremely difficult to tell if Giygas is controlling Porky or '' '''Porky is controlling Giygas]]''' ''.
25th Mar '18 8:53:54 PM Loekman3
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** Zen'o, the Omni-King of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. The most powerful God in existence, that could destroy all universes in the blink of an eye, and he acts like a small child. The fact he will destroy the losers universes in the Universe Survival Arc, and was playing with his future counterpart a chess like game while destroying 202 real planets just brings to question how [[BlueAndOrangeMorality otherworldly]] the Lord of All is. There is a reason why Beerus and Champa are scared shitless of him. On top of it all, it's revealed during the Universe Survival Arc that [[spoiler: Zen'o was planning to destroy some of the other universes to begin with, and Goku reminding him of the Tournament of Power just gave him a convenient excuse to do so.]] Beerus himself notes that Zen'o is truly innocent and noble, which is [[PureIsNotGood exactly why he's so dangerous]].

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** Zen'o, Zeno, the Omni-King of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. The most powerful God in existence, that could destroy all universes in the blink of an eye, and he acts like a small child. The fact he will destroy the losers universes in the Universe Survival Arc, and was playing with his future counterpart a chess like game while destroying 202 real planets just brings to question how [[BlueAndOrangeMorality otherworldly]] the Lord of All is. There is a reason why Beerus and Champa are scared shitless of him. On top of it all, it's revealed during the Universe Survival Arc that [[spoiler: Zen'o [[spoiler:Zeno was planning to destroy some of the other universes to begin with, and Goku reminding him of the Tournament of Power just gave him a convenient excuse to do so.]] so, heck it turns out that Zeno actually wants to erase ''all'' of the universes as soon as the tournament is over with the only reason that he didn't do so is because of Android 17's wish]]. Beerus himself notes that Zen'o is truly innocent and noble, which is [[PureIsNotGood exactly why he's so dangerous]].
22nd Mar '18 7:39:39 AM costanton11
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* [[GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Groot]] can only speak one sentence, and is nearly at all times just following his friend Rocket's instructions. He seems childlike, growing flowers for people he likes, and fiercely protective when people threaten his friends. He also '''impales a line of soldiers, thrashes them around until everyone stops moving''', only to turn around to the rest of the group and give them a dopey smiley almost as if he's looking for approval for what he's just done.

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* [[GuardiansOfTheGalaxy [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Groot]] can only speak one sentence, and is nearly at all times just following his friend Rocket's instructions. He seems childlike, growing flowers for people he likes, and fiercely protective when people threaten his friends. He also '''impales a line of soldiers, thrashes them around until everyone stops moving''', only to turn around to the rest of the group and give them a dopey smiley almost as if he's looking for approval for what he's just done.
27th Feb '18 10:03:24 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Tommen is ambivalent towards Joffrey's dwarf play and laughs along several times. The difference is that he just doesn't seem to realize just how much it hurts his uncle, and he starts to look more and more uncomfortable as the wedding wears on and Joffrey progresses to openly making Tyrion's life a living hell.
16th Feb '18 12:42:06 AM Nintendoman01
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** Zen'o is this as well, something that Goku is warned about but ignores which leads into the Universal Destruction Tournament Arc.

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** Zen'o, the Omni-King of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. The most powerful God in existence, that could destroy all universes in the blink of an eye, and he acts like a small child. The fact he will destroy the losers universes in the Universe Survival Arc, and was playing with his future counterpart a chess like game while destroying 202 real planets just brings to question how [[BlueAndOrangeMorality otherworldly]] the Lord of All is. There is a reason why Beerus and Champa are scared shitless of him. On top of it all, it's revealed during the Universe Survival Arc that [[spoiler: Zen'o was planning to destroy some of the other universes to begin with, and Goku reminding him of the Tournament of Power just gave him a convenient excuse to do so.]] Beerus himself notes that Zen'o is this as well, something that Goku is warned about but ignores truly innocent and noble, which leads into the Universal Destruction Tournament Arc.is [[PureIsNotGood exactly why he's so dangerous]].
25th Dec '17 9:01:59 PM Kid
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--->Vimes looked sideways at him. That was a true Carrot comment. It sounded as innocent as hell, but you <i>could</i> take it a different way.

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--->Vimes looked sideways at him. That was a true Carrot comment. It sounded as innocent as hell, but you <i>could</i> ''could'' take it a different way.
9th Dec '17 11:04:35 AM angie710
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Compare PureIsNotGood and VirginityMakesYouStupid. The related idea of the "Fall" being a good thing is very common (perhaps even required) in works where GodIsEvil and/or SatanIsGood. See also IgnoranceIsBliss, KidsAreCruel. ObliviouslyEvil is related. If a character comes off as ambiguously innocent not because of the inherent amorality of innocence but because the writers can't remember how grown-up the character is supposed to be, it's PingPongNaivete.

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Compare PureIsNotGood and VirginityMakesYouStupid. The related idea of the "Fall" being a good thing is very common (perhaps even required) in works where GodIsEvil and/or SatanIsGood. See also IgnoranceIsBliss, KidsAreCruel.KidsAreCruel, and CreepyChild. ObliviouslyEvil is related. If a character comes off as ambiguously innocent not because of the inherent amorality of innocence but because the writers can't remember how grown-up the character is supposed to be, it's PingPongNaivete.
13th Nov '17 2:26:15 PM DaibhidC
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** Captain Carrot, [[EpilepticTrees possibly]]. He's so relentlessly nice and earnest that he can get two gangs of street kids to play football and convince the most feared warriors in Klatch ''not'' to charge, simply by assuming that they're basically sensible people. Not even his closest friends are sure whether or not this is all some elaborate joke, or how aware he is of his in-universe PlotArmor. He also says things like "If [the Guild of Fools] burn, it'd be a blow for entertainment in the city".

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** Captain Carrot, [[EpilepticTrees possibly]]. He's so relentlessly nice and earnest that he can get two gangs of street kids to play football and convince the most feared warriors in Klatch ''not'' to charge, simply by assuming that they're basically sensible people. Not even his closest friends are sure whether or not this is all some elaborate joke, or how aware he is of his in-universe PlotArmor. He also says things like "If [the Guild of Fools] burn, burns, it'd be a blow for entertainment in the city".
13th Nov '17 2:25:45 PM DaibhidC
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** [[PsychopathicManchild Mr. Teatime]] and [[DumbMuscle Banjo]] from ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}''.

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** [[PsychopathicManchild Mr. Teatime]] and [[DumbMuscle Banjo]] from ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}''. Both are in touch with their "inner child", which makes Teatime a totally deranged psychopath who never considers the consequences of his actions beyond "Would it be interesting to...?" and Banjo so easily led that he's a thug even though, left to his own devices, he's ''not'' actually violent.
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