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25th Dec '17 9:01:59 PM Kid
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--->Vimes looked sideways at him. That was a true Carrot comment. It sounded as innocent as hell, but you <i>could</i> take it a different way.

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--->Vimes looked sideways at him. That was a true Carrot comment. It sounded as innocent as hell, but you <i>could</i> ''could'' take it a different way.
9th Dec '17 11:04:35 AM angie710
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Compare PureIsNotGood and VirginityMakesYouStupid. The related idea of the "Fall" being a good thing is very common (perhaps even required) in works where GodIsEvil and/or SatanIsGood. See also IgnoranceIsBliss, KidsAreCruel. ObliviouslyEvil is related. If a character comes off as ambiguously innocent not because of the inherent amorality of innocence but because the writers can't remember how grown-up the character is supposed to be, it's PingPongNaivete.

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Compare PureIsNotGood and VirginityMakesYouStupid. The related idea of the "Fall" being a good thing is very common (perhaps even required) in works where GodIsEvil and/or SatanIsGood. See also IgnoranceIsBliss, KidsAreCruel.KidsAreCruel, and CreepyChild. ObliviouslyEvil is related. If a character comes off as ambiguously innocent not because of the inherent amorality of innocence but because the writers can't remember how grown-up the character is supposed to be, it's PingPongNaivete.
13th Nov '17 2:26:15 PM DaibhidC
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** Captain Carrot, [[EpilepticTrees possibly]]. He's so relentlessly nice and earnest that he can get two gangs of street kids to play football and convince the most feared warriors in Klatch ''not'' to charge, simply by assuming that they're basically sensible people. Not even his closest friends are sure whether or not this is all some elaborate joke, or how aware he is of his in-universe PlotArmor. He also says things like "If [the Guild of Fools] burn, it'd be a blow for entertainment in the city".

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** Captain Carrot, [[EpilepticTrees possibly]]. He's so relentlessly nice and earnest that he can get two gangs of street kids to play football and convince the most feared warriors in Klatch ''not'' to charge, simply by assuming that they're basically sensible people. Not even his closest friends are sure whether or not this is all some elaborate joke, or how aware he is of his in-universe PlotArmor. He also says things like "If [the Guild of Fools] burn, burns, it'd be a blow for entertainment in the city".
13th Nov '17 2:25:45 PM DaibhidC
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** [[PsychopathicManchild Mr. Teatime]] and [[DumbMuscle Banjo]] from ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}''.

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** [[PsychopathicManchild Mr. Teatime]] and [[DumbMuscle Banjo]] from ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}''. Both are in touch with their "inner child", which makes Teatime a totally deranged psychopath who never considers the consequences of his actions beyond "Would it be interesting to...?" and Banjo so easily led that he's a thug even though, left to his own devices, he's ''not'' actually violent.
13th Nov '17 2:22:16 PM DaibhidC
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** Captain Carrot, [[EpilepticTrees possibly]]. He's so relentlessly nice and earnest that he can get two gangs of street kids to play football and convince the most feared warriors in Klatch ''not'' to charge, simply by assuming that they're basically sensible people. Not even his closest friends are sure whether or not this is all some elaborate joke, or how aware he is of his in-universe PlotArmor.

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** Captain Carrot, [[EpilepticTrees possibly]]. He's so relentlessly nice and earnest that he can get two gangs of street kids to play football and convince the most feared warriors in Klatch ''not'' to charge, simply by assuming that they're basically sensible people. Not even his closest friends are sure whether or not this is all some elaborate joke, or how aware he is of his in-universe PlotArmor. He also says things like "If [the Guild of Fools] burn, it'd be a blow for entertainment in the city".
--->Vimes looked sideways at him. That was a true Carrot comment. It sounded as innocent as hell, but you <i>could</i> take it a different way.
10th Nov '17 8:51:57 AM Dutchtica
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* [[GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Groot]] can only speak one sentence, and is nearly at all times just following his friend Rocket's instructions. He seems childlike, growing flowers for people he likes, and fiercely protective when people threaten his friends. He also '''impales a line of soldiers, thrashes them around until everyone stops moving''', only to turn around to the rest of the group and give them a dopey smiley almost as if he's looking for approval for what he's just done.
15th Sep '17 10:54:38 PM Clockwork_Lemon
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* A recurring theme in ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is that Gon doesn't judge people. Even when he should. He's forgiven or befriended a surprising number of serial killers. Just [[BewareTheNiceOnes don't you dare]] let him catch you engaging in MoralMyopia...

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* A recurring theme in ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is that Gon doesn't judge people. Even people, even when he should. He's forgiven or befriended a surprising number of serial killers. Just killers, just [[BewareTheNiceOnes don't you dare]] let him catch you engaging in MoralMyopia...
11th Jun '17 1:36:04 PM lalalei2001
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensons''' prequel manga Sera is a CreepyChild who nearly succeeds in killing Kaiba, but in the movie she's a hero who wants to save Aigami from darkness, opening room for a lot of interpretation.
8th Jun '17 2:21:51 PM AgentS7
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* ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' is a five hour waltz with the many, many ways innocence can be [[PlayingWithATrope played with.]] The obvious example is Flowey the talking flower, but this quickly turns into a subversion. Flowey is well aware that he's doing terrible things. He just doesn't care anymore.

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* ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' is a five hour waltz with the many, many ways innocence can be [[PlayingWithATrope played with.]] The obvious example is Flowey the talking flower, but this quickly turns into a subversion. Flowey is well aware that he's doing terrible things. He just doesn't care anymore.care.



** The second example is yet darker: [[spoiler: [[FanNicknamke Chara,]] the first child to fall into the Underground. Ever-smiling, Chara appears to be completely disconnected from morality and the world at large. They only appear in the flesh [[YouBastard after you help them seize full control of Frisk's body by slaughtering every monster in the Underground,]] and most of their character [[NothingIsScarier is unnervingly vague.]]]] Was the character always this heartless? [[HumanoidAbomination Was the character ever even mortal to begin with?]] [[spoiler:[[CorruptTheCutie Did YOU do this?]]]]

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** The second example is yet darker: [[spoiler: [[FanNicknamke [[FanNickname Chara,]] the first child to fall into the Underground. Ever-smiling, Chara appears to be completely disconnected from morality and the world at large.morality, driven solely by amusement. They only appear in the flesh [[YouBastard after you help them seize full control of Frisk's body by slaughtering every monster in the Underground,]] and most of their character [[NothingIsScarier is unnervingly vague.]]]] Was the character always this heartless? [[HumanoidAbomination Was the character ever even mortal to begin with?]] [[spoiler:[[CorruptTheCutie Did YOU do this?]]]]
8th Jun '17 2:20:40 PM AgentS7
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* ''VideoGame/Undertale'' is a five hour waltz with the many, many ways innocence can be [[PlayingWithATrope played with.]] The obvious example is Flowey the talking flower, but this quickly turns into a subversion. Flowey is well aware that he's doing terrible things. He just doesn't care anymore.

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* ''VideoGame/Undertale'' ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' is a five hour waltz with the many, many ways innocence can be [[PlayingWithATrope played with.]] The obvious example is Flowey the talking flower, but this quickly turns into a subversion. Flowey is well aware that he's doing terrible things. He just doesn't care anymore.
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