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16th Nov '17 12:15:34 PM ElSquibbonator
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** Another Star Wars race that are almost never depicted in a positive light are the Hutts. Every Hutt seen in the movies--and most of the ones in the ExpandedUniverse as well-- are greedy, conniving mobsters who run criminal enterprises. There was ''one'' known instance of a Hutt Jedi, but even he fell to the Dark Side.
15th Nov '17 9:55:51 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* The vampires/aberrations from ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' conveniently sidestep any UnfortunateImplications that could be associated with this trope. Every one of them is a former human who willingly chose to become a monster in a bid for eternal life. They have to kill humans to survive, which could potentially be tragic if not for the fact that every one of them chose this, and the process of becoming a vampire destroys all conscience, or capacity for empathy, meaning that even if someone did stupidly decide to become a vampire for good reasons (say to continue pursuing a dangerous enemy past the end of their natural lifetime), they would very quickly lose that good motivation. While the comic's attitude mostly favors mercy, killing a vampire, even in cold blood, is always portrayed as a positive act. Mercy is pointless, as they cannot be redeemed, and leaving them alive only gives them opportunity to kill again.
22nd Oct '17 6:07:19 PM HotelCalifornia
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* Subverted in ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos''. The [[TheLegionsOfHell Demon Empire]] seems like this at a glance, but it's actually a well-organized and [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure rational]] state that runs almost entirely on PragmaticVillainy. Even the Emirate of Mecca, probably the most evil faction of them all, has some gray spots and not all Muslims entirely agree with it (most notably [[DefectorFromDecadence Abduhl]])
** Allysion pretty much takes this trope to the point of BlackAndWhiteInsanity, believing that even Sonic and friends are demonic.
** Zizagged with the Shroud. The Shroud individually are [[NonMaliciousMonster animals simply following their natural instincts]]; however, the [[HiveMind Shroud Primes]] that control them are all ruthlessly intelligent OmnicidalManiac.
20th Oct '17 5:15:31 PM trixus
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** The olfs are three billions of xenophobic assholes who get even worse when king Bouboulou come back from the dead, as he removes therefors such as capital punishment and break the treaty with the only race they are allied to with glee, as a bloodbath is the best way to celebrate his return.
** The invisibles are a race of EldritchAbomination who made the treaty with said olf. The treaty was simply: The invisibles get to live on the rooftop since they are quiet anyway and in exchange they mutilate every non olfs they spot in the city. They are also shown to be siding with the BigBad despite not needing to breath like the other conscripts, implying they are just fine with a demon ruling the world.

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** The olfs are three billions of xenophobic assholes who get even worse when king Bouboulou come comes back from the dead, as he removes therefors the reforms such as capital punishment being abolished and break the treaty with the only race they are allied to with glee, as a bloodbath is the best way to celebrate his return.
** The invisibles are a race of EldritchAbomination who made the treaty with said olf. The treaty was simply: The invisibles get to live on the rooftop rooftops since they are quiet anyway and in exchange they mutilate every non olfs they spot in the city. They are also shown to be siding with the BigBad despite not needing to breath like the other conscripts, conscripts (who'll lose their oxygen the moment the villain hear their treachery), implying they are just fine with a demon ruling the world.
19th Oct '17 4:03:34 PM trixus
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* ''ComicBook/DungeonTwilight''
** The olfs are three billions of xenophobic assholes who get even worse when king Bouboulou come back from the dead, as he removes therefors such as capital punishment and break the treaty with the only race they are allied to with glee, as a bloodbath is the best way to celebrate his return.
** The invisibles are a race of EldritchAbomination who made the treaty with said olf. The treaty was simply: The invisibles get to live on the rooftop since they are quiet anyway and in exchange they mutilate every non olfs they spot in the city. They are also shown to be siding with the BigBad despite not needing to breath like the other conscripts, implying they are just fine with a demon ruling the world.
** The Great Khan's Géhenne army are made of winged lizards who only care about strength, drinking and eating villagers. They have a twisted code of honor about blind obedience and preying on the weak and those with no honor just change blind obedience to ChronicBackstabbingDisorder.



* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', elves are supposedly this, but almost every elf we meet is actually pretty decent or has a FreudianExcuse to justify the alignment. The main character is actively trying to go against his race's reputation, and is ''the'' character most concerned with the morality of the group's actions. The undead may be this, but we only meet one group of them, and they are controlled by the TokenEvilTeammate.

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* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', elves are supposedly this, but almost every elf we meet is actually pretty decent or has a FreudianExcuse to justify the alignment. The main character is actively trying to go against his race's reputation, and is ''the'' character most concerned with the morality of the group's actions. The undead may be this, but we only meet one group of them, and they are controlled by the TokenEvilTeammate. Although said evil teammate is also the only one to have claimed elves are evil and is not the most reliable source of information.
5th Oct '17 8:51:09 PM CommanderVisor
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) are a very literal example of this; as far as the movies go, they never seemed to be portrayed as anything other than ChaoticEvil. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', they show up very briefly, and it's just to randomly shoot at podracers. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', they kidnap and torture Anakin's mother, killing her when Anakin finally shows up, though Anakin's massacre of them is treated as a KickTheDog moment [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim nonetheless]]. In ''Film/ANewHope'', they are shown to be [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savagely attacking]] random human beings into unconsciousness and [[KickTheDog stealing the vehicles of said unconscious human beings]]. In the ExpandedUniverse there is one Tusken Jedi (actually a human foundling [[RaisedByOrcs raised by them]]) who initially seems to be an exception. Then, after surviving Order 66, he becomes evil anyway when he embraces the Tuskens' ruthless culture. [[ComicBook/{{Legacy}} Fast forward a few centuries]], and he's a BigBad in his own right. The Tuskens' way of life is RapePillageAndBurn incarnate, so it's understandable that good people don't appear among them.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) are a very literal example of this; as far as the movies go, they never seemed to be portrayed as anything other than ChaoticEvil. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', they show up very briefly, and it's just to randomly shoot at podracers. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', they kidnap and torture Anakin's mother, killing her when Anakin finally shows up, though Anakin's massacre of them is treated as a KickTheDog moment [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim nonetheless]]. In ''Film/ANewHope'', they are shown to be [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savagely attacking]] random human beings into unconsciousness and [[KickTheDog stealing the vehicles of said unconscious human beings]]. In the ExpandedUniverse there is one Tusken Jedi (actually a human foundling [[RaisedByOrcs raised by them]]) who initially seems to be an exception. Then, after surviving Order 66, he becomes evil anyway when he embraces the Tuskens' ruthless culture. [[ComicBook/{{Legacy}} [[ComicBook/StarWarsLegacy Fast forward a few centuries]], and he's a BigBad in his own right. The Tuskens' way of life is RapePillageAndBurn incarnate, so it's understandable that good people don't appear among them.
5th Oct '17 8:37:31 AM BeerBaron
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** The series' spin-off ActionAdventure game ''Redguard'' has the dragon Nafaalilargus (aka Nahfahlaar). Like Paarthurnax above, he managed to overcome his draconic nature and would [[TokenHeroicOrc ally with worthy mortals]]. According to ancient documents in ''Skyrim'', he was spared by the Blades for this reason.
29th Sep '17 2:20:02 AM VVK
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*** Explored in more detail with vampires; a storyline shows [[MagicAIsMagicA how]] and [[JustifiedTrope why]] they are always evil. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst moments, so you're not the same person at all.]]

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*** Explored in more detail with vampires; a storyline shows [[MagicAIsMagicA how]] and [[JustifiedTrope why]] they are always evil. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst moments, so you're not the same person at all. Besides, at least in this case, the spirit is beholden directly to an evil god.]]
20th Sep '17 6:30:32 AM BeerBaron
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** The Dark Brotherhood, at least as they are seen by outsiders. They are indeed an illegal [[MurderInc organization of assassins]], most of their members take a [[PsychoForHire sadistic glee]] in killing, and they practice a ReligionOfEvil. However, they Subvert it within the organization, with strict rules over who and how they kill, while exemplifying EvilIsOneBigHappyFamily toward one another.
19th Sep '17 8:26:49 PM merotoker
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How, exactly, these folk have [[PlanetOfHats unanimously embraced one ethos]] (especially [[EvilWillFail one so detrimental to the survival of the group]]), when [[SillyReasonForWar humans have been known to kill each other over]] [[Music/TupacShakur the kind of hip-hop]] [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG they prefer]], is often unknown and [[MST3KMantra inconsequential]]. When the ethos is [[JustifiedTrope justified]], often the race is explicitly artificial in origin, rather than natural. Their nature is determined by the evil individual who created them as slaves/warriors/etc -- thus dodging the problem that ChildrenAreInnocent. This is often reinforced by having their society believe in AsskickingEqualsAuthority... and in this case, anyone weak (good) will be killed ''very'' quickly.

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How, exactly, these folk have [[PlanetOfHats unanimously embraced one ethos]] (especially [[EvilWillFail one so detrimental to the survival of the group]]), when [[SillyReasonForWar humans have been known to kill each other over]] [[Music/TupacShakur the kind of hip-hop]] [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG they prefer]], is often unknown and [[MST3KMantra inconsequential]]. When the ethos is [[JustifiedTrope justified]], {{justified|Trope}}, often the race is explicitly artificial in origin, rather than natural. Their nature is determined by the evil individual who created them as slaves/warriors/etc -- thus dodging the problem that ChildrenAreInnocent. This is often reinforced by having their society believe in AsskickingEqualsAuthority... and in this case, anyone weak (good) will be killed ''very'' quickly.



** The Brood ([[{{Expy}} Expies]] of the aliens from ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'') are depicted as inherently, irredeemably corrupt because of the [[BodyHorror evolutionary peculiarities of their reproductive methods]].
*** In ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'', Broodling manages to make a decent play at being good, but when she tried to reproduce, she ended up having to kill her own spawn to save some children from them.

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** The Brood ([[{{Expy}} Expies]] of the aliens from ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'') are depicted as inherently, irredeemably corrupt because of the [[BodyHorror evolutionary peculiarities of their reproductive methods]].
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methods]]. In ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'', Broodling manages to make a decent play at being good, but when she tried to reproduce, she ended up having to kill her own spawn to save some children from them.



* Creator/JossWhedon's "Breakworld" arc in ''[[ComicBook/XMen Astonishing X-Men]]'' {{deconstructed|Trope}} this trope with its portrayal of the eponymous PlanetOfHats. The Breakworlders, whose society is built around [[ForeverWar endless war]], are set up as the antagonists of the arc for fairly obvious reasons. But then it's revealed that [[spoiler: the true BigBad is the ultra-pacifist leader of a [[LaResistance resistance group]], who wants to end the wars by [[EarthShatteringKaboom destroying the planet]] and [[OmnicidalManiac wiping out its entire population]]]]. The conclusion points out that, in a society where violence and tyranny are the norm, the truly "evil" people would be the ones devoted to peace. Accordingly, their actions would probably be far less moral and logical than the average people who simply believe what they were raised to believe.

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* Creator/JossWhedon's "Breakworld" arc in ''[[ComicBook/XMen Astonishing X-Men]]'' ''ComicBook/AstonishingXMen'' {{deconstructed|Trope}} this trope with its portrayal of the eponymous PlanetOfHats. The Breakworlders, whose society is built around [[ForeverWar endless war]], are set up as the antagonists of the arc for fairly obvious reasons. But then it's revealed that [[spoiler: the true BigBad is the ultra-pacifist leader of a [[LaResistance resistance group]], who wants to end the wars by [[EarthShatteringKaboom destroying the planet]] and [[OmnicidalManiac wiping out its entire population]]]]. The conclusion points out that, in a society where violence and tyranny are the norm, the truly "evil" people would be the ones devoted to peace. Accordingly, their actions would probably be far less moral and logical than the average people who simply believe what they were raised to believe.



** The baddies of ''Weird Comics'' #2 are a race of mermen who sadistacally torture anybody who enters their domain.

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** The baddies of ''Weird Comics'' #2 are a race of mermen who sadistacally sadistically torture anybody who enters their domain.



* The Giants from ''Film/JackTheGiantSlayer''.

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* %%* The Giants from ''Film/JackTheGiantSlayer''.



* Already a SubvertedTrope in the eleventh century epic ''TheShahnameh'', written by persian poet Ferdowsi and drawing from much older myths. Zal, the son of the Shah's Pehliva (king's champion) goes to Kabul, and is well-received by the royal family, despite the fact that they descend from an evil three-headed dragon who ate brains, learnt magic from the Zoroastrian devil equivalent and tried to TakeOverTheWorld. Zal was warned not to sleep in their home or eat their food, and complies, candidly saying why (he was raised by a bird and has NoSocialSkills). Deeply humiliated, king Mehrab... does nothing, and keeps treating him well, even innocently recounting the whole thing and praising him to his daughter Rudabeh behind closed doors. The proud Rudabeh he starts acting like TheVamp, seduces Zal, and they proclaim their desire to marry against the Shah and his father's advice... and nothing bad happens untill the shah and Zal's father march against Mehrab's kingdom. Then, Mehrab finally has enough... and asks his daughter if she would agree to be executed by the Shah, to save their people. At this point, Zal goes to his father and performs a guilt slingling over his abandonment of him as a child, and the girl's mother goes the Shah, convinces him to take a good look at her daughter, and proves him that she isn't a man-eating serpent. Everything ends well.

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* Already a SubvertedTrope in the eleventh century epic ''TheShahnameh'', ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', written by persian Persian poet Ferdowsi and drawing from much older myths. Zal, the son of the Shah's Pehliva (king's champion) goes to Kabul, and is well-received by the royal family, despite the fact that they descend from an evil three-headed dragon who ate brains, learnt magic from the Zoroastrian devil equivalent and tried to TakeOverTheWorld. Zal was warned not to sleep in their home or eat their food, and complies, candidly saying why (he was raised by a bird and has NoSocialSkills). Deeply humiliated, king Mehrab... does nothing, and keeps treating him well, even innocently recounting the whole thing and praising him to his daughter Rudabeh behind closed doors. The proud Rudabeh he starts acting like TheVamp, seduces Zal, and they proclaim their desire to marry against the Shah and his father's advice... and nothing bad happens untill the shah and Zal's father march against Mehrab's kingdom. Then, Mehrab finally has enough... and asks his daughter if she would agree to be executed by the Shah, to save their people. At this point, Zal goes to his father and performs a guilt slingling over his abandonment of him as a child, and the girl's mother goes the Shah, convinces him to take a good look at her daughter, and proves him that she isn't a man-eating serpent. Everything ends well.



* [[PigMan Muzzles]] in ''Bullets Of Justice'' are a sadistic species without exception, completely obsessed with farming humans for food or killing them in painfull ways. A completely justified case, since they were created by a Gobernment Program during WorldWarIII as SuperSoldiers. To made things worse, when they began to attack civilians,the military [[TooDumbToLive decided to kill the witness instead of doing anything to stop them, making possible the setting 25 years later instead of dealing now with the problem]].

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* [[PigMan Muzzles]] in ''Bullets Of Justice'' are a sadistic species without exception, completely obsessed with farming humans for food or killing them in painfull painful ways. A completely justified case, since they were created by a Gobernment Program during WorldWarIII as SuperSoldiers. {{Super Soldier}}s. To made things worse, when they began to attack civilians,the civilians, the military [[TooDumbToLive decided to kill the witness instead of doing anything to stop them, making possible the setting 25 years later instead of dealing now with the problem]].



** The Brotherhood of Makuta themselves are a zig-zagged example, and mostly an InformedAttribute: they are the antagonists, several of them are [[BloodKnight very]] [[AxCrazy nasty]], and their leader is the BigBad; but most Makuta who we see are more in vein of {{Mad Scientist}}s, indifferent to anything but their personal creations, which they dote on; or JustFollowingOrders. Several AlternateUniverse versions of [[BigBad Teridax]] and other Makuta are good, and even among the prime-Brotherhood there are a few decent members like Krika and Miserix. {{Justified}} in that most of the Makuta seen in-story were the ones who rallied behind [[BigBad Teridax]], while anyone who didn't (with exception to Miserix and Krika, who were imprisoned and went along resignedly) were executed. [[spoiler:The unborn Makuta spirits within their original Antidermis pool, however, are all on the side of good]].

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** The Brotherhood of Makuta themselves are a zig-zagged example, and mostly an InformedAttribute: they are the antagonists, several of them are [[BloodKnight very]] [[AxCrazy nasty]], and their leader is the BigBad; but most Makuta who we see are more in vein of {{Mad Scientist}}s, indifferent to anything but their personal creations, which they dote on; or JustFollowingOrders. Several AlternateUniverse versions of [[BigBad Teridax]] and other Makuta are good, and even among the prime-Brotherhood there are a few decent members like Krika and Miserix. {{Justified}} {{Justified|Trope}} in that most of the Makuta seen in-story were the ones who rallied behind [[BigBad Teridax]], while anyone who didn't (with exception to Miserix and Krika, who were imprisoned and went along resignedly) were executed. [[spoiler:The unborn Makuta spirits within their original Antidermis pool, however, are all on the side of good]].



** [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Demons]] in ''Franchise/DragonAge'' also fulfill this trope, being dream spirits that prey upon mortals. These creatures are shaped by the darkest impulses of mortals and are generally murderous and violent. They're also one of the few sources of knowledge in Thedas about [[BloodMagic blood]] [[BlackMagic magic]].

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** [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Demons]] in ''Franchise/DragonAge'' also fulfill this trope, being dream spirits that prey upon mortals. These creatures are shaped by the darkest impulses of mortals and are generally murderous and violent. They're also one of the few sources of knowledge in Thedas about [[BloodMagic blood]] {{blood|Magic}} [[BlackMagic magic]].



* ''VideoGame/BetrayalAtKrondor'' features the Moredhel, which humanity assumes to be this trope, although by the end of the game it is subverted rather hard, the game itself named after a Moredhel who betrays his race's "messiah" to save the world. Played straight with the pantathians, who do not appear in the game except as enemies. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] as they are genetically hardwired to single-mindedly work towards the purpose of restoring their master and creator, the Valheru Alma-Lodaka, to power.

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* ''VideoGame/BetrayalAtKrondor'' features the Moredhel, which humanity assumes to be this trope, although by the end of the game it is subverted rather hard, the game itself named after a Moredhel who betrays his race's "messiah" to save the world. Played straight with the pantathians, who do not appear in the game except as enemies. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] {{Justified|Trope}} as they are genetically hardwired to single-mindedly work towards the purpose of restoring their master and creator, the Valheru Alma-Lodaka, to power.



** Played straight so far with demons and undead, however -- but even then they're allowed to be much more rounded characters than you would normally expect from this trope. In the case of the BigBad Xykon, the prequel book ''StartOfDarkness'' portrays him as utterly, irredeemably evil even in life - and ''still'' manages to make his lichification look tragic: [[spoiler:the process removed his sense of taste, meaning [[ItMakesSenseInContext he can never taste a bad cup of coffee again]]. He proceeds to kill his minions on a whim and send them into certain death, and abuse the ones he doesn't kill, solely because it's the only way for him to feel any joy, or really much of ''anything'', anymore]]. Most of the other undead we see are his zombified minions, who pretty much just shamble about saying "braaains", unless you count ghosts who act pretty much the same as they were in life. Demons seem to be borderline {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of their alignment, but even then the most prominent ones we see in the comic, the IFCC, are out to bring an end to the rivalry between the various demonic races and bring them together to fight for the greater evil. (And Sabine, a [[HornyDevils succubus]], may be evil, but she's also portrayed as being in a stable relationship with an also-evil human man.)

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** Played straight so far with demons and undead, however -- but even then they're allowed to be much more rounded characters than you would normally expect from this trope. In the case of the BigBad Xykon, the prequel book ''StartOfDarkness'' ''Recap/StartOfDarkness'' portrays him as utterly, irredeemably evil even in life - and ''still'' manages to make his lichification look tragic: [[spoiler:the process removed his sense of taste, meaning [[ItMakesSenseInContext he can never taste a bad cup of coffee again]]. He proceeds to kill his minions on a whim and send them into certain death, and abuse the ones he doesn't kill, solely because it's the only way for him to feel any joy, or really much of ''anything'', anymore]]. Most of the other undead we see are his zombified minions, who pretty much just shamble about saying "braaains", unless you count ghosts who act pretty much the same as they were in life. Demons seem to be borderline {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of their alignment, but even then the most prominent ones we see in the comic, the IFCC, are out to bring an end to the rivalry between the various demonic races and bring them together to fight for the greater evil. (And Sabine, a [[HornyDevils succubus]], may be evil, but she's also portrayed as being in a stable relationship with an also-evil human man.)



* While most races and factions in ''Roleplay/RollToDodgeSavral'' have varying shades of gray, unicorns are depicted as universally evil. Whenever they show up, they're either trolling the players, working for other antagonists, brainwashing scores of innocent civilians or slaughtering them outright. Over the course of the game, they've laid waste to several cities and transformed one of the world's subregions into a barren wasteland. Given that they're creations of the [[BigBad witch]] [[GodIsEvil goddess]] [[KillerGameMaster Cathy]], the unicorns are a justified example.

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* While most races and factions in ''Roleplay/RollToDodgeSavral'' have varying shades of gray, unicorns are depicted as universally evil. Whenever they show up, they're either trolling the players, working for other antagonists, brainwashing scores of innocent civilians or slaughtering them outright. Over the course of the game, they've laid waste to several cities and transformed one of the world's subregions into a barren wasteland. Given that they're creations of the [[BigBad witch]] [[GodIsEvil goddess]] {{god|IsEvil}}dess [[KillerGameMaster Cathy]], the unicorns are a justified example.



* According to the Flame King in ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', all denizens of the fire kingdom are evil. Including [[CardCarryingVillain himself]], and his daughter [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest Flame Princess]]. That said, after a brief debate with [[TheHero Finn]], the Flame King concedes that by spending time with a "good guy", it would be in theory possible to [[HeelFaceTurn turn Flame Princess good]], though he notes that she'd [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons take penalties to experience for acting out of alignment.]]
** Later revelations in the show seem to suggest that this is a simplification. Flame people don't seem totally evil, though Flame Princess notes that they tend to be "deceitful [[ItMakesSenseInContext and Shakespeare]]."

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* According to the Flame King in ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', all denizens of the fire kingdom are evil. Including [[CardCarryingVillain himself]], and his daughter [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest Flame Princess]]. That said, after a brief debate with [[TheHero Finn]], the Flame King concedes that by spending time with a "good guy", it would be in theory possible to [[HeelFaceTurn turn Flame Princess good]], though he notes that she'd [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons take penalties to experience for acting out of alignment.]]
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]] Later revelations in the show seem to suggest that this is a simplification. Flame people don't seem totally evil, though Flame Princess notes that they tend to be "deceitful [[ItMakesSenseInContext and Shakespeare]]."
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