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22nd Aug '16 7:50:27 PM Everdream
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* All Hyenas seen in ''Disney/TheLionKing'' are the hungry, antagonistic pawns of Scar. ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' shows hyenas as not following the Circle Of Life however Kion meets a "good hyena" who insists not all hyenas are evil and subverts it after all this time. It just so happens every hyena seen besides her is chaotic.

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* All Hyenas hyenas seen in ''Disney/TheLionKing'' are the hungry, antagonistic pawns of Scar. In ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' shows hyenas as not following the Circle Of Life however this trope was {{Retcon}}ned away when Kion meets a "good hyena" good hyena who insists not all that most hyenas are evil and subverts it after all this time. good. It just so happens every hyena seen so far besides her has been evil. There is chaotic.also another good hyena in a non-canon book for the first film that is probably the inspiration for this character.
22nd Aug '16 6:50:52 AM M773982
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** And then there are the Sarkists, originally started as a revolution against the Daevites by a slave who managed to steal the flesh and power of an ancient supreme being, they are even more brutal and horrific than the Daevites who bore them, nearly wiping out the world with biological warfare in the bronze age. While some isolated groups do teach self sacrifice and honor, modern neo-sarkists are utterly psychotic, caring nothing for anyone else's suffering for their own dark purpose. "Do as you will, to whom you will" being a common proverb among their people.
20th Aug '16 12:24:07 PM NimmerStill
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) are a very literal example of this; as far as the movies go, they never seemed to be portrayed as anything other than ChaoticEvil. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', they show up very briefly, and it's just to randomly shoot at podracers. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', they kidnap and torture Anakin's mother, killing her when Anakin finally shows up, though Anakin's massacre of them is treated as a KickTheDog moment [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim nonetheless]]. In ''Film/ANewHope'', they are shown to be [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savagely attacking]] random human beings into unconsciousness and [[KickTheDog stealing the vehicles of said unconscious human beings]]. In the ExpandedUniverse there is one Tusken Jedi (actually a human foundling [[RaisedByOrcs raised by them]] who initially seems to be an exception. Then, after surviving Order 66, he becomes evil anyway when he embraces the Tuskens' ruthless culture. [[ComicBook/{{Legacy}} Fast forward a few centuries]], and he's a BigBad in his own right. The Tuskens' way of life is RapePillageAndBurn incarnate, so it's understandable that good people don't appear among them.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) are a very literal example of this; as far as the movies go, they never seemed to be portrayed as anything other than ChaoticEvil. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', they show up very briefly, and it's just to randomly shoot at podracers. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', they kidnap and torture Anakin's mother, killing her when Anakin finally shows up, though Anakin's massacre of them is treated as a KickTheDog moment [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim nonetheless]]. In ''Film/ANewHope'', they are shown to be [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savagely attacking]] random human beings into unconsciousness and [[KickTheDog stealing the vehicles of said unconscious human beings]]. In the ExpandedUniverse there is one Tusken Jedi (actually a human foundling [[RaisedByOrcs raised by them]] them]]) who initially seems to be an exception. Then, after surviving Order 66, he becomes evil anyway when he embraces the Tuskens' ruthless culture. [[ComicBook/{{Legacy}} Fast forward a few centuries]], and he's a BigBad in his own right. The Tuskens' way of life is RapePillageAndBurn incarnate, so it's understandable that good people don't appear among them.
15th Aug '16 11:33:20 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Although, it should be noted that the Order are [[KnightTemplar a]] [[AntiHero little]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme]] at best, and the [[ThouShaltNotKill T]][[LawfulGood o]][[KnightInShiningArmor a]] were ''pissed'' at them for this.
15th Aug '16 11:21:10 PM Monsund
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** Notably subverted with Freeza's species. While all shown members of the race are genocidal monsters, this has been confirmed by WordOfGod to only be Freeza's clan, who are mutations among their kind who [[BewareTheSuperman decided to use their immense natural strength to do whatever the heck they wanted]]. Several video games such as ''VideoGame/DragonballXenoverse'' have shown heroic members of the species, some of which want to [[TheAtoner atone for the bad name Freeza's clan gave their kind.]]

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** Notably Also subverted in the same story with Freeza's species. While all Cold is to be a kind person who helps people in need. shown members of the race are to be a kind person who helps people in need. [[spoiler: This is infact a DoubleSubversion, as Cold really is a genocidal monsters, this has been confirmed by WordOfGod to only be Freeza's clan, who are mutations among their kind who [[BewareTheSuperman decided to use their immense natural strength to do whatever monster like all the heck rest of them. Vegeta even says they wanted]]. Several video games such as ''VideoGame/DragonballXenoverse'' shouldn't have shown heroic members of the species, some of which want to [[TheAtoner atone for the bad name Freeza's clan gave their kind.]]expected anything else from Frieza's race.]]


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* Notably subverted with Freeza's species in ''VideoGame/DragonballXenoverse.'' Unlike the anime, it shows heroic members of the species, some of which want to [[TheAtoner atone for the bad name Freeza's clan gave their kind.]]
11th Aug '16 2:20:13 AM RobTan
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** One story set before Elric turned on his people does show a couple of Melniboneans who weren't dyed-in-the-wool monsters, but even so weren't what we would call "good" either. Essentially, Melniboneans were a race of sociopaths, all literally born without a conscience. The "nice" ones weren't particularly moral, they just weren't interested in sadism and brutality, in much the same way that a person might be disinterested in music. Elric himself had a vague understanding of good and evil, but only on an intellectual level after years of study.

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** One story set before Elric turned on his people does show a couple of Melniboneans who weren't dyed-in-the-wool monsters, but even so weren't what we would call "good" either. Essentially, Melniboneans were a race of sociopaths, all literally born without a conscience. The "nice" ones weren't particularly moral, they just weren't interested in sadism and brutality, in much the same way that a person human might be disinterested in music.sports. Elric himself had a vague understanding of good and evil, but only on an intellectual level after years of study.
9th Aug '16 8:42:39 AM YourDoom
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*** Although, it should be noted that the Order are [[KnightTemplar a]] [[AntiHero little]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme]] at best, and the [[ThouShaltNotKill T]][[LawfulGood o]][[KnightInShiningArmor a]] were ''pissed'' at them for this.
7th Aug '16 1:45:19 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'':Subverted in chapter 15. After Shinji mentions that he and Asuka got forced to work for military dictators, Rayana says there are groups of purely evil people... but simultaneously she remarks that those groups are mercifully rare.

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* ''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'':Subverted ''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'': Subverted in chapter 15. After Shinji mentions that he and Asuka got forced to work for military dictators, Rayana says there are groups of purely evil people... but simultaneously she remarks that those groups are mercifully rare.



** The Mahar of Pellucidar seem to be evil at first, but turn out to have a sense of justice and honor. Also, the Mahar don't know humans are anything other than animals, since they are deaf and communicate through telepathy, and thus can't hear human speech. (Admittedly, missing human tool-using and technology, even of a Paleolithic culture like most of Pellucidar, seems pretty TooDumbToLive for a species which is supposed to be at least as smart as humans, probably smarter....)
** The Wieroo in the Caspak trilogy come a little closer, in that we're never explicitly told why they developed their sadistic religion. But when you discover that your entire race is doomed because you can't produce fertile women...except that you ''can'' reproduce with normal humans...who unfortunately consider you hideous monsters, and thus will never willingly sleep with you...well, it's still awful, but unsurprising that something had to give.

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** The Mahar of Pellucidar seem to be evil at first, but turn out to have a sense of justice and honor. Also, the Mahar don't know humans are anything other than animals, since they are deaf and communicate through telepathy, and thus can't hear human speech. (Admittedly, missing human tool-using and technology, even of a Paleolithic culture like most of Pellucidar, seems pretty TooDumbToLive for a species which is supposed to be at least as smart as humans, probably smarter....smarter...)
** The Wieroo in the Caspak trilogy come a little closer, in that we're never explicitly told why they developed their sadistic religion. But when you discover that your entire race is doomed because you can't produce fertile women... except that you ''can'' reproduce with normal humans...humans... who unfortunately consider you hideous monsters, and thus will never willingly sleep with you...you... well, it's still awful, but unsurprising that something had to give.



** Originally Tolkien intended the Dwarves as this but while writing The Hobbit decided to make the Dwarves better.

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** Originally Tolkien intended the Dwarves as this but while writing The Hobbit ''The Hobbit'' decided to make the Dwarves better.
1st Aug '16 10:40:36 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The [[KillerSpaceMonkey Brutes]] and [[SleazyPolitician Prophets]] from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' are mostly portrayed in this in the main games; however, it's subverted in the ExpandedUniverse and elsewhere, where the Brutes are shown to have legitimate grievances against the Elites, and to be fully capable of co-existing with other species in relatively sincere good faith under the right circumstances. Even some in-game fight dialogue points out that Brutes do genuinely care about their comrades and believe in the righteousness of what they are fighting for.

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* The [[KillerSpaceMonkey Brutes]] and [[SleazyPolitician Prophets]] from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' are mostly portrayed in this in the main games; however, it's subverted in the ExpandedUniverse and elsewhere, where the elsewhere:
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Brutes are shown to have legitimate grievances against the Elites, and to be fully capable of co-existing with other species in relatively sincere good faith under the right circumstances. Even some in-game fight dialogue points out that Brutes do genuinely care about their comrades and believe in the righteousness of what they are fighting for.
25th Jul '16 7:39:22 AM gophergiggles
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* The Changelings from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' are supposedly this from [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 their one]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 main appearance]] in the series. Their queen gloats that ever since she was little, she dreamed of razing Equestria and [[EmotionEater essentially]] [[ToServeMan using ponies as food]].
** The Changelings display little intelligence and seem quite feral, so the race overall may not be so much Always Chaotic Evil as it is an Always Chaotic Hungry HordeOfAlienLocusts. The Queen, however, does display high intelligence. However, the episode "Slice of Life" subverts this, as one shows up at Matilda and Cranky's wedding. According to WordOfGod, it was a friend of Matilda's and it doesn't do anything even remotely malicious in the slightest.

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* The Changelings from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' are supposedly seem to be this from going by their [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 their one]] first]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 main appearance]] in the series. Their series, as their queen gloats that ever since she was little, she dreamed of razing Equestria and [[EmotionEater essentially]] [[ToServeMan using ponies as food]].
** The Changelings display little intelligence and seem quite feral, so the race overall may not be so much Always Chaotic Evil as it is an Always Chaotic Hungry HordeOfAlienLocusts. The Queen, however, does display high intelligence. However, the episode
food]], but it's averted with their later appearances. One changeling appears in "Slice of Of Life" subverts this, as one shows up at Matilda and Cranky's wedding. According to WordOfGod, it was a ''wedding guest'' (WordOfGod is "Kevin" is a friend of Matilda's and it he doesn't do anything even remotely malicious in malicious), and the slightest.upcoming "The Times Are A Changeling" seemingly has one rescue ''and'' befriend Spike. It seems now like they're less an evil ''species'' and more of a neutral one with a BadBoss.



** The dragons. The adults would rather roast ponies than talk to them and one tries to kill a young dragon over some eaten property. The teens react to defiance with violence and attack animals for fun. Spike's feral form is easily the nicest dragon shown, only resorting to force, and non-lethal force at that, after being physically injured, and even then he's a rampaging [[Franchise/{{Godzilla}} Godzilla-esque]] monster. The comics subvert this, however, showing an entire town of much more friendly dragons.

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** The dragons.dragons seem like this in their first appearance. The adults would rather roast ponies than talk to them and one tries to kill a young dragon over some eaten property. The teens react to defiance with violence and attack animals for fun. Spike's feral form is easily the nicest dragon shown, only resorting to force, and non-lethal force at that, after being physically injured, and even then he's a rampaging [[Franchise/{{Godzilla}} Godzilla-esque]] monster. The comics subvert this, however, showing an entire town of much more friendly dragons.Like the changelings it's later subverted in "Gauntlet Of Fire" where they're shown to have leadership and are civilized and intelligent [[BlueAndOrangeMorality in their own way]], and that if they actually ''were'' evil they'd likely have wiped the ponies out by now just for kicks.
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