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11th Aug '17 7:19:11 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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-->''“Which is why target discrimination and appropriate levels of force are integral parts of our military’s training. We know that purely evil people and groups are thankfully rare. So we exercise careful attention when it comes to meting out judgment on those who become our enemies.” Daniel swallowed a bit of his own fish. “And as for Jinnai, we’ll see to him later. Death may be a little too merciful for him.”''

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-->''“Which is why target discrimination and appropriate levels of force are integral parts of our military’s military’s training. We know that purely evil people and groups are thankfully rare. So we exercise careful attention when it comes to meting out judgment on those who become our enemies.” Daniel swallowed a bit of his own fish. “And as for Jinnai, we’ll see to him later. Death may be a little too merciful for him.”''



** It doesn't help that Lovecraft treats actual human "races" in a very similar manner (read the descriptions of the cultists in ''The Call of Cthulhu'' for a fine example), besides creating several inbred communities in rural America and the infamous fishmen of Innsmouth, who stand out as an ugly, racist metaphor concerning immigrants. The entire basis of Lovecraft's horror is set firmly upon the idea that anything alien or different is terrifyingly evil and he was apparently rather open about his xenophobia, even going so far as to tell his Jewish wife that he thought mixed marriages were a bad idea. To be fair, Lovecraft also had no trouble in writing about degenerate, barbaric white people, and did it with far greater frequency than writing against the blacks.

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** It doesn't help that Lovecraft treats actual human "races" in a very similar manner (read the descriptions of the cultists in ''The Call of Cthulhu'' for a fine example), besides creating several inbred communities in rural America and the infamous fishmen of Innsmouth, who stand out as an ugly, racist metaphor concerning immigrants. The entire basis of Lovecraft's horror is set firmly upon the idea that anything alien or different is terrifyingly evil and he was apparently rather open about his xenophobia, even going so far as to tell his Jewish wife that he thought mixed marriages were a bad idea. To be fair, Lovecraft also had no trouble in writing about degenerate, barbaric white people, and did it with far greater frequency than writing against the blacks.black people.



* Dementors from ''Literature/HarryPotter''. This is a race that cares for nothing except [[EmotionEater sucking up human happiness]]. The only way to get them on your side is to give them a bunch of human souls to suck on. Even if you can do that, they'll turn on you the second someone else shows up with a better deal. To make it even scarier, they're apparently capable of breeding ''and'' immortal. This is an unusually justified example because they are [[MadeOfEvil supernatural forms of negative emotions]] given sapience more or less. This is averted, however, with some races which are normally given this treatment. For example, goblins are TrueNeutral {{Loan Shark}}s, but they're not considered inherently evil.

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* Dementors from ''Literature/HarryPotter''. This is a race that cares for nothing except [[EmotionEater sucking up human happiness]]. The only way to get them on your side is to give them a bunch of human souls to suck on. Even if you can do that, they'll turn on you the second someone else shows up with a better deal. To make it even scarier, they're apparently capable of breeding ''and'' immortal. This is an unusually justified example because they are [[MadeOfEvil supernatural forms of negative emotions]] given sapience more or less. This is averted, however, with some races which are normally given this treatment. For example, goblins are TrueNeutral LawfulNeutral {{Loan Shark}}s, but they're not considered inherently evil.



* In the ''Literature/TheUnderlandChronicles'', most Underland rats and humans believe this about each other.

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* In the ''Literature/TheUnderlandChronicles'', most Underland rats and humans believe this about each other.
9th Aug '17 8:10:47 PM Discar
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** The Daleks: mutated aliens in travel machines who are only capable of hate and negative emotions due to being bred that way by MadScientist Davros. They simply are made to believe Daleks are a supreme race and, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens unless events outside of their control are threatening reality with oblivion]], everyone else deserves to die. [[ScaryDogmaticAliens They're]] [[RecycledInSpace Space]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis]] (in the serial [[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks "Genesis of the Daleks"]], we learn that Davros "removed the brain cells of the conscience" from the proto-Daleks -- a feat that would be, to put it mildly, challenging). In fact, the Daleks are so evil that the good Daleks or Dalek factions can be counted on one hand, and most of them turned good after being [[HumanityIsInfectious infected by humanity]]:

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** The Daleks: mutated aliens in travel machines who are only capable of hate and negative emotions due to being bred that way by MadScientist Davros. They simply are made to believe Daleks are a supreme race and, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens unless events outside of their control are threatening reality with oblivion]], everyone else deserves to die. [[ScaryDogmaticAliens They're]] [[RecycledInSpace Space]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis]] (in the serial [[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks "Genesis of the Daleks"]], we learn that Davros "removed the brain cells of the conscience" from the proto-Daleks -- a feat that would be, to put it mildly, challenging). In fact, the Daleks are so evil that the good Daleks or Dalek factions can be counted on one hand, and most of them turned good after being [[HumanityIsInfectious infected by humanity]]:humanity]]. In the episode "Into the Dalek," the Doctor reveals that part of every Dalek's extensive cybernetic modification is a computer that constantly monitors the Dalek's mind and memories to delete any trace of compassion or empathy. This is probably a {{Revision}} of the "[[ScienceMarchesOn removed the brain cells of the conscience]]" origin.
--->'''The Doctor:''' Imagine the worst possible thing in the universe, then don't bother, because ''you're looking at it'' right now! This is evil refined as engineering.
6th Aug '17 1:19:54 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** To be fair, the vast majority of non-demonic sapients are listed as, "Any, but lean towards...", including even the [[EldritchAbomination Splugorth]]. Then again even ''Demons'' aren't locked into this, though the exceptions are exceedingly rare. One book refers to a member of an evil servitor race being taught a near-mindless aggression against other races.
6th Aug '17 1:11:58 PM SAMAS
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*** To be fair, the vast majority of non-demonic sapients are listed as, "Any, but lean towards...", including even the [[EldritchAbomination Splugorth]]

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*** To be fair, the vast majority of non-demonic sapients are listed as, "Any, but lean towards...", including even the [[EldritchAbomination Splugorth]]Splugorth]]. Then again even ''Demons'' aren't locked into this, though the exceptions are exceedingly rare. One book refers to a member of an evil servitor race being taught a near-mindless aggression against other races.
5th Aug '17 8:22:36 AM VVK
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*** Explored in more detail with vampires. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst moments, so you're not the same person at all.]]

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*** Explored in more detail with vampires.vampires; a storyline shows [[MagicAIsMagicA how]] and [[JustifiedTrope why]] they are always evil. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst moments, so you're not the same person at all.]]
30th Jul '17 3:02:17 AM corruptmalemenace
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** Oddly enough, the ''Time Lords'' are generally portrayed this way by default. While there are a few obvious [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch exceptions]] - Susan, Romana, K'anpo Rimpoche, and the Doctor himself ([[EvilMeScaresMe on a good day]]) - the society as a whole is shown to be self-serving, arrogant, and dangerous. The Sixth Doctor called them "corrupt, decadent and rotten to the core". They ''executed'' the Second Doctor for the crime of trying to make the universe a better place, and later they themselves made it a worse place by starting the Time War, and then tried to escape the war of their own making by ''destroying time itself''. When they finally do escape the war, the entire planet of them have to hide at the furthest end of time because literally everyone in the universe loathes them by now. It's also worth noting that about half of the series's most memorable individual villains - the Master, the Rani, Omega, Rassilon, the War Chief, Borusa, etc - were Time Lords. What muddies the waters here is that it's still unclear whether "Time Lord" is the name of a ''species'' - in which case this trope seems to apply - or merely of a ''social class'' - in which case they're just an instance of AristocratsAreEvil instead.
28th Jul '17 9:33:44 PM thatother1dude
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** Although Always Chaotic Evil is how [[ExtranormalInstitute the DWMA]] and most of the world view witches, Kid, the future [[TheGrimReaper Grim Reaper]] and thus leader of the DWMA, starts to have his doubts after he discovers [[OrderVersusChaos that pure order isn't any better than pure chaos]]. While [[spoiler:trying to [[EnemyMine get help from the Witch Council]]]] he ultimately comes to the conclusion that [[spoiler:everyone has some sense of order ''and'' destructive instinct, even witches. He reasons that if they were really chaos incarnate, they'd never have formed a functional society. Conversely, he claims a destructive urge isn't necessarily a bad thing; humans can channel such things to a positive, so [[BadPowersGoodPeople witches must be capable of the same]]]].

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** Although Always Chaotic Evil is how [[ExtranormalInstitute the DWMA]] and most of the world view witches, Kid, the future [[TheGrimReaper Grim Reaper]] and thus leader of the DWMA, starts to have his doubts after he discovers [[OrderVersusChaos [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous that pure order isn't any better than pure chaos]]. While [[spoiler:trying to [[EnemyMine get help from the Witch Council]]]] he ultimately comes to the conclusion that [[spoiler:everyone has some sense of order ''and'' destructive instinct, even witches. He reasons that if they were really chaos incarnate, they'd never have formed a functional society. Conversely, he claims a destructive urge isn't necessarily a bad thing; humans can channel such things to a positive, so [[BadPowersGoodPeople witches must be capable of the same]]]].
28th Jul '17 2:20:37 AM VVK
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*** Explored in more detail with vampires. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst memories, so you're not the same person at all.]]

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*** Explored in more detail with vampires. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst memories, moments, so you're not the same person at all.]]
27th Jul '17 10:07:18 PM VVK
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*** Explored in more detail with vampires. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a vampirised [[spoiler: Durkon]] seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person almost like his old self. [[spoiler: But that's an act, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst memories, so you're not the same person at all.]]

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*** Explored in more detail with vampires. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a vampirised [[spoiler: Durkon]] certain vampire character who used to be Good seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person almost like his old self. who can cooperate with Good characters. [[spoiler: But that's an act, act on his part, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst memories, so you're not the same person at all.]]
27th Jul '17 10:02:23 PM VVK
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** Played straight so far with demons and undead, however - but even then they're allowed to be much more rounded characters than you would normally expect from this trope. In the case of the BigBad Xykon, the prequel book ''StartOfDarkness'' portrays him as utterly, irredeemably evil even in life - and ''still'' manages to make his lichification look tragic: [[spoiler:the process removed his sense of taste, meaning [[ItMakesSenseInContext he can never taste a bad cup of coffee again]]. He proceeds to kill his minions on a whim and send them into certain death, and abuse the ones he doesn't kill, solely because it's the only way for him to feel any joy, or really much of ''anything'', anymore]]. Most of the other undead we see are his zombified minions, who pretty much just shamble about saying "braaains", unless you count ghosts who act pretty much the same as they were in life. Demons seem to be borderline {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of their alignment, but even then the most prominent ones we see in the comic, the IFCC, are out to bring an end to the rivalry between the various demonic races and bring them together to fight for the greater evil. (And Sabine, a [[HornyDevils succubus]], may be evil, but she's also portrayed as being in a stable relationship with an also-evil human man.)

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** Played straight so far with demons and undead, however - -- but even then they're allowed to be much more rounded characters than you would normally expect from this trope. In the case of the BigBad Xykon, the prequel book ''StartOfDarkness'' portrays him as utterly, irredeemably evil even in life - and ''still'' manages to make his lichification look tragic: [[spoiler:the process removed his sense of taste, meaning [[ItMakesSenseInContext he can never taste a bad cup of coffee again]]. He proceeds to kill his minions on a whim and send them into certain death, and abuse the ones he doesn't kill, solely because it's the only way for him to feel any joy, or really much of ''anything'', anymore]]. Most of the other undead we see are his zombified minions, who pretty much just shamble about saying "braaains", unless you count ghosts who act pretty much the same as they were in life. Demons seem to be borderline {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of their alignment, but even then the most prominent ones we see in the comic, the IFCC, are out to bring an end to the rivalry between the various demonic races and bring them together to fight for the greater evil. (And Sabine, a [[HornyDevils succubus]], may be evil, but she's also portrayed as being in a stable relationship with an also-evil human man.))
*** Explored in more detail with vampires. When you become a vampire, you magically become Evil (presumably ChaoticEvil) by default. However, a vampirised [[spoiler: Durkon]] seems to be able to control his bloodlust and remain a reasonable person almost like his old self. [[spoiler: But that's an act, and what really happens when you become a vampire is that you're taken over by an evil spirit formed from your worst memories, so you're not the same person at all.]]
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