History Main / AlternateHistoryWank

19th Aug '17 12:38:12 AM jormis29
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* The ''Franchise/{{Wolfenstein}}'' games take place in a in World War II where the Nazis get their hands on [[StupidJetpackHitler vastly more advanced technology than the Allies]]/[[{{Ghostapo}} occult powers from another dimension]].

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* The ''Franchise/{{Wolfenstein}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' games take place in a in World War II where the Nazis get their hands on [[StupidJetpackHitler vastly more advanced technology than the Allies]]/[[{{Ghostapo}} occult powers from another dimension]].
6th Jul '17 6:44:09 PM AHI-3000
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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civilization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they have infiltrated our society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].

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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation.Wiki/SCPFoundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civilization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they have infiltrated our society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].



13th Jun '17 8:46:24 PM nombretomado
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** By modern AH standards, the Nazis and Japanese conquering the USA by 1947 is rather unrealistic (even Hitler himself, in his long-term plans, thought conquering the USA would not be possible for the Germans until TheEighties). In fairness, though, Dick did not have access to much of the data about WW2 that has become common knowledge since then but was still classified in TheSixties when he wrote the novel.

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** By modern AH standards, the Nazis and Japanese conquering the USA by 1947 is rather unrealistic (even Hitler himself, in his long-term plans, thought conquering the USA would not be possible for the Germans until TheEighties). In fairness, though, Dick did not have access to much of the data about WW2 UsefulNotes/WW2 that has become common knowledge since then but was still classified in TheSixties when he wrote the novel.
24th May '17 7:13:25 PM PaulA
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** A still more egregious example is HarryHarrison's "Tunnel Through the Deeps" (whose magazine publication had the more fitting title "A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!"). Besides the failure of the Spanish Reconquista leaving Britain NO competition to take over the entire Western hemisphere, it is full of analogs of OTL figures Harrison dislikes reduced to snickering caricatures, and disregard for geography. (Saxony is NOT across the Rhine from anywhere!)

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** A still more egregious example is HarryHarrison's Creator/HarryHarrison's "Tunnel Through the Deeps" (whose magazine publication had the more fitting title "A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!"). Besides the failure of the Spanish Reconquista leaving Britain NO competition to take over the entire Western hemisphere, it is full of analogs of OTL figures Harrison dislikes reduced to snickering caricatures, and disregard for geography. (Saxony is NOT across the Rhine from anywhere!)
9th Apr '17 7:47:23 PM DustSnitch
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* Once again, the '''Roman Empire''' in Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology. The key event here is the death of {{Jesus}} as a baby, resulting in another child becoming the MessianicArchetype and using ReligionIsMagic to become TheEmperor of Rome. After becoming disillusioned with humanity, he ends up, effectively, committing suicide and takes most of the world's iron with him in a vain hope that, without iron, humanity would stop fighting (he obviously hasn't heard of the Bronze Age). The use of FunctionalMagic taught by him results in Rome never being conquered or dissolving. By the 20th century, it's dominating Europe and has colonies in Africa and the Americas. Partly subverted in that the State (that's what it's called now) is not the most powerful nation and is about on par with the Russian Khanate (Russia conquered by the Mongols and remaining this way) and can't match China's technological superiority. The Aztec Empire and the Ottoman Empire are weaker players here, regularly bullied by the big boys.

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* Once again, the '''Roman Empire''' in Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology. The key event here is the death of {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} as a baby, resulting in another child becoming the MessianicArchetype and using ReligionIsMagic to become TheEmperor of Rome. After becoming disillusioned with humanity, he ends up, effectively, committing suicide and takes most of the world's iron with him in a vain hope that, without iron, humanity would stop fighting (he obviously hasn't heard of the Bronze Age). The use of FunctionalMagic taught by him results in Rome never being conquered or dissolving. By the 20th century, it's dominating Europe and has colonies in Africa and the Americas. Partly subverted in that the State (that's what it's called now) is not the most powerful nation and is about on par with the Russian Khanate (Russia conquered by the Mongols and remaining this way) and can't match China's technological superiority. The Aztec Empire and the Ottoman Empire are weaker players here, regularly bullied by the big boys.
5th Apr '17 12:33:40 PM FF32
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* [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6948148/1/A_Fourth_World_Country_in_The_War_of_Three_Powers This fanfic]] does this to The Philippines, in the ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' universe.

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* [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6948148/1/A_Fourth_World_Country_in_The_War_of_Three_Powers This fanfic]] does this to The Philippines, '''The Philippines''', in the ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' universe.



* Another story based on a VideoGame/TotalWar playthrough, ''LetsPlay/AScotsmanInEgypt'', has Scotland wanked. After taking a drunken jaunt through Egypt, they kick the English and Irish out of the British isles, take complete control of the Papacy, become ''the'' superpower in Europe, [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly]] beat back the Mongol invasion, and eventually [[spoiler:has a Scottish expedition to the Americas]].
* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civlization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they have infiltrated our society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].

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* Another story based on a VideoGame/TotalWar playthrough, ''LetsPlay/AScotsmanInEgypt'', has Scotland '''Scotland''' wanked. After taking a drunken jaunt through Egypt, they kick the English and Irish out of the British isles, take complete control of the Papacy, become ''the'' superpower in Europe, [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly]] beat back the Mongol invasion, and eventually [[spoiler:has a Scottish expedition to the Americas]].
* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civlization.civilization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they have infiltrated our society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].
4th Apr '17 10:29:47 PM Admiralakbar1
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* The '''Aztec Empire''' in the non-canon ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings'' DLC Sunset Invasion, where the Aztec Empire manages to launch a full invasion of Europe in the 1250s. Note that the Aztec Empire was [[NewerThanTheyThink not founded until 1427]]; this, combined with other impossibilities, leads to its inclusion being mocked by diehard history simulation fans. Overall, the scenario is ''supposed'' to be silly, acting mostly as a handwavy mechanic to balance how easy it was to start in western Europe, far away from invading mongols and likely distanced from the islamic factions.

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* The '''Aztec Empire''' in the non-canon ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings'' DLC Sunset Invasion, where the Aztec Empire manages to launch a full invasion of Europe in the 1250s.1250s after reverse-engineering captured Viking longships from Vinland. Note that the Aztec Empire was [[NewerThanTheyThink not founded until 1427]]; this, combined with other impossibilities, leads to its inclusion being mocked by diehard history simulation fans. Overall, the scenario is ''supposed'' to be silly, acting mostly as a handwavy mechanic to balance how easy it was to start in western Europe, far away from invading mongols and likely distanced from the islamic factions.
25th Mar '17 5:42:37 AM Onomateopoetic
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* ''Tabletop/DystopianWars'' plays this trope mostly straight, but takes effort to subvert it as well to add a tinge of real-life politics to the world of Dystopian Wars.
** The major forces in the Great War are larger versions of historic empires and kingdoms, like the Federal States of America (North America plus all land down to and including Peru), but also almost historic instances like the Kingdom of Britannia, which is actually ''smaller'' than it was at that point in real life.
** Subverted as well, as there are many smaller countries with little to no connection to the larger forces, like the Kingdom of Denmark, of all things.
4th Mar '17 10:27:39 AM nombretomado
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** Canada. In this alternate history, that nation refused to hand over its escaped American slaves because it was the right thing to do and suffered with a walled US/Canadian border called the Cotton Wall. Furthermore, for this national choice, Canada reaps the great prize of all the artists of African descent (and several whites as well, including a certain [[MarkTwain Samuel Clemens]]) that would have enriched American culture with Rock music, Motown and many others now feed Canadian culture. As a result, Canada becomes the pop culture centre of the world.

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** Canada. In this alternate history, that nation refused to hand over its escaped American slaves because it was the right thing to do and suffered with a walled US/Canadian border called the Cotton Wall. Furthermore, for this national choice, Canada reaps the great prize of all the artists of African descent (and several whites as well, including a certain [[MarkTwain [[Creator/MarkTwain Samuel Clemens]]) that would have enriched American culture with Rock music, Motown and many others now feed Canadian culture. As a result, Canada becomes the pop culture centre of the world.
3rd Mar '17 12:16:16 PM Xtifr
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This treatment is really popular for famous empires, though "bad guy" empires tend to be the most popular for wank status. For every "Rome never falls" timeline there seem to be at least three "USSR and/or Nazi Germany takes over the world". Another way this trope comes about is when one historically significant person is suddenly killed or spared in this alternate timeline, leading to changes that are, at best, questionable. Such as "if Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar was not assassinated, Rome would develop steam powered technology and bring the barbarians to their knees". And that is a relatively ''tame'' example.

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This treatment is really popular for famous empires, though "bad guy" empires tend to be the most popular for wank status. For every "Rome never falls" timeline there seem to be at least three "USSR and/or Nazi Germany takes over the world". Another way this trope comes about is when one historically significant person is suddenly killed or spared in this alternate timeline, leading to changes that are, at best, questionable. Such as "if Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar was not assassinated, Rome would develop steam powered technology and bring the barbarians to their knees". And that is a relatively ''tame'' example.
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