History Main / AlternateHistoryWank

4th Mar '17 10:27:39 AM nombretomado
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** Canada. In this alternate history, that nation refused to hand over its escaped American slaves because it was the right thing to do and suffered with a walled US/Canadian border called the Cotton Wall. Furthermore, for this national choice, Canada reaps the great prize of all the artists of African descent (and several whites as well, including a certain [[MarkTwain Samuel Clemens]]) that would have enriched American culture with Rock music, Motown and many others now feed Canadian culture. As a result, Canada becomes the pop culture centre of the world.

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** Canada. In this alternate history, that nation refused to hand over its escaped American slaves because it was the right thing to do and suffered with a walled US/Canadian border called the Cotton Wall. Furthermore, for this national choice, Canada reaps the great prize of all the artists of African descent (and several whites as well, including a certain [[MarkTwain [[Creator/MarkTwain Samuel Clemens]]) that would have enriched American culture with Rock music, Motown and many others now feed Canadian culture. As a result, Canada becomes the pop culture centre of the world.
3rd Mar '17 12:16:16 PM Xtifr
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This treatment is really popular for famous empires, though "bad guy" empires tend to be the most popular for wank status. For every "Rome never falls" timeline there seem to be at least three "USSR and/or Nazi Germany takes over the world". Another way this trope comes about is when one historically significant person is suddenly killed or spared in this alternate timeline, leading to changes that are, at best, questionable. Such as "if Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar was not assassinated, Rome would develop steam powered technology and bring the barbarians to their knees". And that is a relatively ''tame'' example.

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This treatment is really popular for famous empires, though "bad guy" empires tend to be the most popular for wank status. For every "Rome never falls" timeline there seem to be at least three "USSR and/or Nazi Germany takes over the world". Another way this trope comes about is when one historically significant person is suddenly killed or spared in this alternate timeline, leading to changes that are, at best, questionable. Such as "if Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar was not assassinated, Rome would develop steam powered technology and bring the barbarians to their knees". And that is a relatively ''tame'' example.
2nd Jan '17 4:58:10 AM Korodzik
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* The real-time strategy ''VideoGame/AztecWars'' is set in a world where an Aztec chieftain one day got an idea to conquer the entire world... and proceeded to easily do just that, apparently managing to utterly steamroll Africa and Europe. Of course, it probably helps that they have a host of military units unknown in our timeline, including fireball-toting priests and {{Spider Tank}}s.
25th Dec '16 2:52:03 PM Gillimer
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** A still more egregious example is HarryHarrison's "Tunnel Through the Deeps" (whose magazine publication had the more fitting title "A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!"). Besides the failure of the Spanish Reconquista leaving Britain NO competition to take over the entire Western hemisphere, it is full of analogs of OTL figures Harrison dislikes reduced to snickering caricatures, and disregard for geography. (Saxony is NOT across the Rhine from anywhere!)
22nd Dec '16 11:22:30 AM BrendanRizzo
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* Possibly the UrExample is ''Napoléon et la conquête du monde 1812-1832'' by Louis Geoffroy in 1832, which - as the title suggests - had '''UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte''' act slightly differently in the 1812 invasion of Russia with the result that he conquers the entire planet by 1832.

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* Possibly the UrExample is ''Napoléon et la conquête du monde 1812-1832'' by Louis Geoffroy in 1832, which - as the title suggests - had '''UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte''' act slightly differently in the 1812 invasion of Russia with the result that he conquers the entire planet by 1832. Never mind that Napoleon was ''dead'' by 1820 (and that he died of cancer, so military success would not have prevented this).
5th Nov '16 1:54:10 PM Valen
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* The ''Franchise/{{Wolfenstein}}'' games take place in a in World War II where the Nazis get their hands on [[StupidJetpackHitler vastly more advanced technology than the Allies]]/[[{{Ghostapo}} occult powers from another dimension]].
1st Oct '16 4:51:11 PM MazeMaker
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** Interestingly, this is [[spoiler:the original history]] in universe, and [[spoiler:[[RealLife our real world history]]]] comes about as a result of time travel. [[spoiler:...And is later changed by more time travel.]]
13th Sep '16 10:45:17 PM Worffan101
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* '''The Eastern Roman Empire''', and the '''Malwa''' Empire before its collapse in the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries''. {{Justified}} in that they're both being aided by supercomputers from the future to advance technologically.

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* '''The Eastern Roman Empire''', and the '''Malwa''' Empire before its collapse in the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries''. {{Justified}} in that they're both being aided by supercomputers from the future to advance technologically. TropesAreNotBad in this case--the point of the series is a series of geeky military thought experiments inside some truly epic war novels, rather than an attempt to build a complete and plausible alternate-history timeline.


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* The '''[[UsefulNotes/ImperialGermany Kaiserreich]]''' AND '''the [[{{Eagleland}} United States of America]]''' in Robert Conroy's ''1901'', accompanied by gratuitous (and historically inaccurate) use of AllGermansAreNazis tropes and general StupidEvil by the Germans. In 1901, any European nation attempting to fight America would be instantly set upon by the other Great Powers of Europe; by this point, the alliance systems that led to UsefulNotes/WorldWarI were already largely in place, and such a clear violation of American historical neutrality, even after the US's war with the decaying remains of the Spanish empire, would be an easy pretext for war-not to mention that Germany's navy at the time was substantially weaker than the Royal Navy, precluding the sort of overseas invasion that Conroy portrays. Conroy seems to have a thing for [[{{Eagleland}} Plucky 'Murica]] [[AmericaSavesTheDay fighting back from the brink of destruction to destroy the Enemies of Freedom (tm)]].
23rd Aug '16 8:42:40 PM hagamablabla
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** In Homefront 2, the point of divergence is moved back to 1972 (though it may actually be farther back, given that the intro cinematic says that North Korea was already technologically superior to the US at that time). A North Korean starts the computer revolution out of his garage, creating Silicon River and making the North Koreans the world leader of technology. By 2004, the [[EvilInc APEX corporation]], this universe's equivalent of Apple, is the sole supplier for America's [[BreadEggsMilkSquick phones, tablets, and military equipment]]. After bankrupting itself in the Middle East for 2 decades, America is essentially annexed by North Korea after APEX shuts off all of America's military equipment through a backdoor they had installed.
21st Aug '16 6:13:30 AM Doug86
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Note also that there is a certain degree of TruthInTelevision here; certain nations or causes ''have'' apparently been BornLucky or have become implausibly dominant global powers, and certain periods have essentially been dominated by one particular group or cause. The United States in particular is sometimes said to embody the closest thing to this in RealLife: Bismarck is often ([[BeamMeUpScotty falsely]]) quoted as saying "there is a special providence that protects fools, drunkards, and the United States of America." At the height of the British Empire 20% of the world’s population was governed from a small island off the coast of Northern Europe. The achievements of UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat might seem like the stuff of implausibly fanciful tales had they not actually happened. The unification, and in some sense, the creation, of the nation and the idea of China was, in some sense, the work of one man, QinShiHuangdi. And the Mongol Empire lasted for over 150 years and, at its height, spanned 20% of the surface of the world. However, what separates these situations from a typical AlternateHistoryWank (aside from the fact that they really happened) is that not everything was perfect for them; the United States hasn’t always had good fortune (one word: [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam]]), the British Empire was fiercely hated and resisted by a large number of its subjects, Alexander had his screw-ups and personal failings, ''every'' pan-Chinese Empire fell apart at some point, and even the Mongol Empire eventually collapsed.

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Note also that there is a certain degree of TruthInTelevision here; certain nations or causes ''have'' apparently been BornLucky or have become implausibly dominant global powers, and certain periods have essentially been dominated by one particular group or cause. The United States in particular is sometimes said to embody the closest thing to this in RealLife: Bismarck is often ([[BeamMeUpScotty falsely]]) quoted as saying "there is a special providence that protects fools, drunkards, and the United States of America." At the height of the British Empire 20% of the world’s population was governed from a small island off the coast of Northern Europe. The achievements of UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat might seem like the stuff of implausibly fanciful tales had they not actually happened. The unification, and in some sense, the creation, of the nation and the idea of China was, in some sense, the work of one man, QinShiHuangdi.UsefulNotes/QinShiHuangdi. And the Mongol Empire lasted for over 150 years and, at its height, spanned 20% of the surface of the world. However, what separates these situations from a typical AlternateHistoryWank (aside from the fact that they really happened) is that not everything was perfect for them; the United States hasn’t always had good fortune (one word: [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam]]), the British Empire was fiercely hated and resisted by a large number of its subjects, Alexander had his screw-ups and personal failings, ''every'' pan-Chinese Empire fell apart at some point, and even the Mongol Empire eventually collapsed.
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