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24th Oct '17 9:49:35 PM marcoasalazarm
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Dust}}'': [[WeirdHistoricalWar Super-tech reverse-engineered from the wreck of a crashed UFO found on the Antarctic]] provided the [[StupidJetpackHitler Axis]] (who deposed Hitler from power) with the capacity to turn the Russian campaign into something more manageable, allowed them to succeed when they performed Operation Sealion, and at the time of the "present day" on the game's setting they have now started a campaign of limited ground warfare on the coasts of the United States. The best hope the United States has is their ''own'' super-tech, engineered from that which they have captured from the Axis and [[RoswellThatEndsWell a recent UFO crash on Roswell, New Mexico...]]
22nd Sep '17 3:07:14 PM FordPrefect
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* ''Tabletop/DystopianWars'' plays this trope mostly straight, but takes effort to subvert it as well to add a tinge of real-life politics to the world of Dystopian Wars.

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* ''Tabletop/DystopianWars'' ''TabletopGame/DystopianWars'' plays this trope mostly straight, but takes effort to subvert it as well to add a tinge of real-life politics to the world of Dystopian Wars.
22nd Sep '17 3:03:28 PM FordPrefect
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* '''The Domination of Draka (South Africa)''' in S. M. Stirling's series on Literature/TheDraka. The premise is that a colony in OTL's South Africa gains independence from Britain around when the United States of America did in our timeline, upholds horrific ideals within its borders (including slavery), and manages to take over the world by the end of the series (Yes, sadly the image chosen for this very page was ''just the beginning'' of the wankitude). The civilized nations of the world [[IdiotBall just ignore the threat of a large, slave-holding, militaristic empire until it's too late]]. Let's just say that one FixFic that was intended to make Literature/{{the Draka}} less of a {{Villain Sue}}[[MarySuetopia topia]] ''still'' started in the mid-20th century with [[AnthropicPrinciple them having almost all of Africa and a good chunk of the Middle East...]]

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* '''The Domination of Draka (South Africa)''' in S. M. Stirling's series on Literature/TheDraka. The premise is that a colony in OTL's South Africa gains independence from Britain around when the United States of America did in our timeline, upholds horrific ideals within its borders (including slavery), and manages to take over the world by the end of the series (Yes, (yes, sadly the image chosen for this very page was ''just the beginning'' of the wankitude). The civilized nations of the world [[IdiotBall just ignore the threat of a large, slave-holding, militaristic empire until it's too late]]. Let's just say that one FixFic that was intended to make Literature/{{the Draka}} less of a {{Villain Sue}}[[MarySuetopia topia]] ''still'' started in the mid-20th century with [[AnthropicPrinciple them having almost all of Africa and a good chunk of the Middle East...]]



*** Not really. The Draka catch an implausible number of incredibly lucky breaks in their early history (the "serf" justification for slavery seems especially unlikely to fly past the British administration, as does the allegedly covert aid to the Confederacy), and even once they carve themselves out of the British Empire, they are a totalitarian slavocracy combining all of the greatest weaknesses of Nazi Germany, ancient Sparta, and the CSA. In pure numerical terms the Draka should be incapable of invading any state larger than an unsupported Kuwait, lest their civilians be torn apart by rebel slaves when the armies are away (as happened to Sparta in our history). On top of that, the TooDumbToLive tendencies of the Alliance leadership, including ''allowing the Draka to invade Alliance-allied Siberia without repercussions'' break the bounds of credibility.

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*** Not really. The Draka catch an implausible number of incredibly lucky breaks in their early history (the "serf" justification for slavery seems especially unlikely to fly past the British administration, as does the allegedly covert aid to the Confederacy), and even once they carve themselves out of the British Empire, they are a totalitarian slavocracy combining all of the greatest weaknesses of Nazi Germany, ancient Sparta, and the CSA. In pure numerical terms the Draka should be incapable of invading any state larger than an unsupported Kuwait, lest their civilians be torn apart by rebel slaves when the armies are away (as happened to Sparta in our history). On top of that, the TooDumbToLive tendencies of the Alliance leadership, including ''allowing the Draka to invade Alliance-allied Siberia without repercussions'' repercussions'', break the bounds of credibility.
22nd Sep '17 2:59:48 PM FordPrefect
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** Canada. In this alternate history, that nation refused to hand over its escaped American slaves because it was the right thing to do and suffered with a walled US/Canadian border called the Cotton Wall. Furthermore, for this national choice, Canada reaps the great prize of all the artists of African descent (and several whites as well, including a certain [[Creator/MarkTwain Samuel Clemens]]) that would have enriched American culture with Rock music, Motown and many others now feed Canadian culture. As a result, Canada becomes the pop culture centre of the world.

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** Canada. In this alternate history, that nation refused to hand over its escaped American slaves because it was the right thing to do and suffered with a walled US/Canadian border called the Cotton Wall. Furthermore, for this national choice, Canada reaps the a great prize of prize: all the artists of African descent (and several whites as well, including a certain [[Creator/MarkTwain Samuel Clemens]]) that would have enriched American culture with Rock music, Motown and many others now feed Canadian culture. As a result, Canada becomes the pop culture centre of the world.
16th Sep '17 3:41:39 PM nombretomado
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** We also have a minor {{Deconstruction}} in [[MultiversalConqueror Centrum's]] universe: There, [[TheHouseOfNormandy Prince William the Aetheling]] didn't die in a ship crash, allowing him to unite the British Isles and start the empire far, far ahead of schedule, effectively skipping the HighMiddleAges and going directly to TheRenaissance, with the '''Angevin Empire''' leading the whole way. The ''cultural ideals'', however, did not evolve to fit with the tech level, with their feudalistic leanings eventually leading to a [[WorldWarIII full-scale nuclear and biological war]]. By the time the survivors somehow managed to pull their act together, they've evolved into a completely different society as a backlash.

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** We also have a minor {{Deconstruction}} in [[MultiversalConqueror Centrum's]] universe: There, [[TheHouseOfNormandy Prince William the Aetheling]] didn't die in a ship crash, allowing him to unite the British Isles and start the empire far, far ahead of schedule, effectively skipping the HighMiddleAges and going directly to TheRenaissance, UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance, with the '''Angevin Empire''' leading the whole way. The ''cultural ideals'', however, did not evolve to fit with the tech level, with their feudalistic leanings eventually leading to a [[WorldWarIII full-scale nuclear and biological war]]. By the time the survivors somehow managed to pull their act together, they've evolved into a completely different society as a backlash.
27th Aug '17 1:04:04 AM Doug86
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** And yet later played rather straight with the '''US''' conquering and occupying all of Canada save Quebec (which becomes a satellite) in UsefulNotes/WW1 and later the whole of the old CSA in WWII.

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** And yet later played rather straight with the '''US''' conquering and occupying all of Canada save Quebec (which becomes a satellite) in UsefulNotes/WW1 UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and later the whole of the old CSA in WWII.
19th Aug '17 12:38:12 AM jormis29
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* The ''Franchise/{{Wolfenstein}}'' games take place in a in World War II where the Nazis get their hands on [[StupidJetpackHitler vastly more advanced technology than the Allies]]/[[{{Ghostapo}} occult powers from another dimension]].

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* The ''Franchise/{{Wolfenstein}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' games take place in a in World War II where the Nazis get their hands on [[StupidJetpackHitler vastly more advanced technology than the Allies]]/[[{{Ghostapo}} occult powers from another dimension]].
6th Jul '17 6:44:09 PM AHI-3000
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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civilization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they have infiltrated our society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].

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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation.Wiki/SCPFoundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civilization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they have infiltrated our society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].



13th Jun '17 8:46:24 PM nombretomado
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** By modern AH standards, the Nazis and Japanese conquering the USA by 1947 is rather unrealistic (even Hitler himself, in his long-term plans, thought conquering the USA would not be possible for the Germans until TheEighties). In fairness, though, Dick did not have access to much of the data about WW2 that has become common knowledge since then but was still classified in TheSixties when he wrote the novel.

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** By modern AH standards, the Nazis and Japanese conquering the USA by 1947 is rather unrealistic (even Hitler himself, in his long-term plans, thought conquering the USA would not be possible for the Germans until TheEighties). In fairness, though, Dick did not have access to much of the data about WW2 UsefulNotes/WW2 that has become common knowledge since then but was still classified in TheSixties when he wrote the novel.
24th May '17 7:13:25 PM PaulA
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** A still more egregious example is HarryHarrison's "Tunnel Through the Deeps" (whose magazine publication had the more fitting title "A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!"). Besides the failure of the Spanish Reconquista leaving Britain NO competition to take over the entire Western hemisphere, it is full of analogs of OTL figures Harrison dislikes reduced to snickering caricatures, and disregard for geography. (Saxony is NOT across the Rhine from anywhere!)

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** A still more egregious example is HarryHarrison's Creator/HarryHarrison's "Tunnel Through the Deeps" (whose magazine publication had the more fitting title "A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!"). Besides the failure of the Spanish Reconquista leaving Britain NO competition to take over the entire Western hemisphere, it is full of analogs of OTL figures Harrison dislikes reduced to snickering caricatures, and disregard for geography. (Saxony is NOT across the Rhine from anywhere!)
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