History Main / AlternateHistoryWank

29th Apr '16 1:35:26 PM Doug86
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* The various ''Strangerverse'' timelines from AlternateHistoryDotCom ''invoke'' this trope. The entire point of the timeline is to have a certain country that will eventually end up covering the entire Earth. The story itself is that a time traveler from the future came to the past and gave AppliedPhlebotinum to a major historical figure that will help his country in doing this task. Examples include:

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* The various ''Strangerverse'' timelines from AlternateHistoryDotCom Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom ''invoke'' this trope. The entire point of the timeline is to have a certain country that will eventually end up covering the entire Earth. The story itself is that a time traveler from the future came to the past and gave AppliedPhlebotinum to a major historical figure that will help his country in doing this task. Examples include:
27th Mar '16 8:02:11 AM mlsmithca
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* The '''Byzantine Empire''' in ''Agent of Byzantium'' series of short stories by Turtledove. Turtledove is in his element here, as he holds a PhD in Byzantine history. In this version, Prophet Mohammed, rather than starting Islam, becomes a Christian saint (not too far from the reality, in some sense--Islam and Christianity are much more closely related theologically than one might expect) and consequently, no crippling military threat from the East to Byzantine /Empire materialized.

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* The '''Byzantine Empire''' in ''Agent of Byzantium'' series of short stories by Turtledove. Turtledove is in his element here, as he holds a PhD [=PhD=] in Byzantine history. In this version, Prophet Mohammed, rather than starting Islam, becomes a Christian saint (not too far from the reality, in some sense--Islam and Christianity are much more closely related theologically than one might expect) and consequently, no crippling military threat from the East to Byzantine /Empire materialized.
25th Mar '16 11:30:42 AM GrammarNavi
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* A lot of ''EuropaUniversalis'' {{After Action Report}}s take this form. This subsequently applies to other ParadoxInteractive grand strategy games such as ''HeartsOfIron'' or ''VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun''. It really depends on the player's ultimate aims and skill, however. And sometimes the AI inadvertantly makes the unlikeliest nations into powerhouses (a unified, westernised India by the mid-16th century, for example)
* Similar to the ParadoxInteractive grand strategy examples, ''VideoGame/RiseOfNations''' Risk-esque "Conquer The World Campaign" often results in this trope.

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* A lot of ''EuropaUniversalis'' ''VideoGame/EuropaUniversalis'' {{After Action Report}}s take this form. This subsequently applies to other ParadoxInteractive Creator/ParadoxInteractive grand strategy games such as ''HeartsOfIron'' ''VideoGame/HeartsOfIron'' or ''VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun''.''VideoGame/VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun''. It really depends on the player's ultimate aims and skill, however. And sometimes the AI inadvertantly inadvertently makes the unlikeliest nations into powerhouses (a unified, westernised India by the mid-16th century, for example)
* Similar to the ParadoxInteractive Creator/ParadoxInteractive grand strategy examples, ''VideoGame/RiseOfNations''' Risk-esque "Conquer The World Campaign" often results in this trope.
16th Jan '16 10:58:41 AM DiagorasCinna
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* ''Literature/OneNationUnderJupiter'': '''Ghana''' controls most of West Africa, while '''Japan''' is more of a colonial power than it ever was in real life. Partially subverted with '''Nova Roma''': While it's very much a superpower, it suffered great loss along the way and no longer controls any of the territory of the former Roman Empire.
12th Jan '16 2:10:07 PM StFan
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** Another story based on a VideoGame/TotalWar playthrough, ''Fanfic/AScotsmanInEgypt'', has Scotland wanked. After taking a drunken jaunt through Egypt, they kick the English and Irish out of the British isles, take complete control of the Papacy, become ''the'' superpower in Europe, [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly]] beat back the Mongol invasion, and eventually [[spoiler:has a Scottish expedition to the Americas]].

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** * Another story based on a VideoGame/TotalWar playthrough, ''Fanfic/AScotsmanInEgypt'', ''LetsPlay/AScotsmanInEgypt'', has Scotland wanked. After taking a drunken jaunt through Egypt, they kick the English and Irish out of the British isles, take complete control of the Papacy, become ''the'' superpower in Europe, [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly]] beat back the Mongol invasion, and eventually [[spoiler:has a Scottish expedition to the Americas]].
29th Nov '15 5:18:23 PM MAI742
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Note also that there is a certain degree of TruthInTelevision here; certain nations or causes ''have'' apparently been BornLucky or have become implausibly dominant global powers, and certain periods have essentially been dominated by one particular group or cause. The United States in particular is sometimes said to embody the closest thing to this in RealLife: Bismarck is often ([[BeamMeUpScotty falsely]]) quoted as saying "there is a special providence that protects fools, drunkards, and the United States of America." At the height of the British Empire 20% of the world’s population was governed from a small island off the coast of Northern Europe. The achievements of UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat might seem like the stuff of implausibly fanciful tales had they not actually happened. The unification, and in some sense, the creation, of the nation and the idea of China was, in some sense, the work of one man, QinShiHuangdi. And the Mongol Empire lasted for over 150 years and, at its height, spanned 20% of the surface of the world. However, what separates these situations from a typical AlternateHistoryWank (aside from the fact that they really happened) is that not everything was perfect for them; the United States hasn’t always had good fortune (one word: [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam]]), the British Empire was fiercely hated and resisted by a large number of its subjects, Alexander had his screw-ups and personal failings, China fell apart several times in history, and even the Mongol Empire eventually collapsed.

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Note also that there is a certain degree of TruthInTelevision here; certain nations or causes ''have'' apparently been BornLucky or have become implausibly dominant global powers, and certain periods have essentially been dominated by one particular group or cause. The United States in particular is sometimes said to embody the closest thing to this in RealLife: Bismarck is often ([[BeamMeUpScotty falsely]]) quoted as saying "there is a special providence that protects fools, drunkards, and the United States of America." At the height of the British Empire 20% of the world’s population was governed from a small island off the coast of Northern Europe. The achievements of UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat might seem like the stuff of implausibly fanciful tales had they not actually happened. The unification, and in some sense, the creation, of the nation and the idea of China was, in some sense, the work of one man, QinShiHuangdi. And the Mongol Empire lasted for over 150 years and, at its height, spanned 20% of the surface of the world. However, what separates these situations from a typical AlternateHistoryWank (aside from the fact that they really happened) is that not everything was perfect for them; the United States hasn’t always had good fortune (one word: [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam]]), the British Empire was fiercely hated and resisted by a large number of its subjects, Alexander had his screw-ups and personal failings, China ''every'' pan-Chinese Empire fell apart several times in history, at some point, and even the Mongol Empire eventually collapsed.
23rd Nov '15 8:23:49 PM bwburke94
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** Another story based on a VideoGame/TotalWar playthrough, ''Fanfic/AScotsmanInEgypt'', has Scotland develop [[{{Understatement}} a few ambitions]]. After taking a drunken jaunt through Egypt, they kick the English and Irish out of the British isles, take complete control of the Papacy, become ''the'' superpower in Europe, [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly]] beat back the Mongol invasion, and eventually [[spoiler:has a Scottish expedition to the Americas]].

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** Another story based on a VideoGame/TotalWar playthrough, ''Fanfic/AScotsmanInEgypt'', has Scotland develop [[{{Understatement}} a few ambitions]].wanked. After taking a drunken jaunt through Egypt, they kick the English and Irish out of the British isles, take complete control of the Papacy, become ''the'' superpower in Europe, [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly]] beat back the Mongol invasion, and eventually [[spoiler:has a Scottish expedition to the Americas]].
16th Nov '15 4:27:04 PM MAI742
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-->-- '''Creator/GeorgeOrwell''', ''Notes on Nationalism''

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-->-- '''Creator/GeorgeOrwell''', ''Notes ''[[http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat Notes on Nationalism''
Nationalism]]''
17th Sep '15 8:37:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* Once again, the '''Roman Empire''' in Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''SeekersOfTheSky'' duology. The key event here is the death of {{Jesus}} as a baby, resulting in another child becoming the MessianicArchetype and using ReligionIsMagic to become TheEmperor of Rome. After becoming disillusioned with humanity, he ends up, effectively, committing suicide and takes most of the world's iron with him in a vain hope that, without iron, humanity would stop fighting (he obviously hasn't heard of the Bronze Age). The use of FunctionalMagic taught by him results in Rome never being conquered or dissolving. By the 20th century, it's dominating Europe and has colonies in Africa and the Americas. Partly subverted in that the State (that's what it's called now) is not the most powerful nation and is about on par with the Russian Khanate (Russia conquered by the Mongols and remaining this way) and can't match China's technological superiority. The Aztec Empire and the Ottoman Empire are weaker players here, regularly bullied by the big boys.
* ''PastwatchTheRedemptionOfChristopherColumbus'' by Creator/OrsonScottCard has '''Tlaxcala''' take over the world and become a ModernMayincatecEmpire. The key event here is Columbus leading a new Crusade to retake the Holy Land instead of sailing West. This allows the more progressive Tlaxcalans to defeat the Aztecs and establish a bloodthirsty empire that didn't shy away from technological development. Then a Portuguese ship stumbles on the New World, and its crew is captured, tortured for information (specifically, the means to make firearms and build oceangoing ships), and sacrificed. The diseases spread by the sailors only serve as a divine sign from their bloodthirsty god that they must sail East and conquer for more sacrifices. They do exactly that, and the fragmented Europe can't do a thing to stop them.

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* Once again, the '''Roman Empire''' in Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''SeekersOfTheSky'' ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology. The key event here is the death of {{Jesus}} as a baby, resulting in another child becoming the MessianicArchetype and using ReligionIsMagic to become TheEmperor of Rome. After becoming disillusioned with humanity, he ends up, effectively, committing suicide and takes most of the world's iron with him in a vain hope that, without iron, humanity would stop fighting (he obviously hasn't heard of the Bronze Age). The use of FunctionalMagic taught by him results in Rome never being conquered or dissolving. By the 20th century, it's dominating Europe and has colonies in Africa and the Americas. Partly subverted in that the State (that's what it's called now) is not the most powerful nation and is about on par with the Russian Khanate (Russia conquered by the Mongols and remaining this way) and can't match China's technological superiority. The Aztec Empire and the Ottoman Empire are weaker players here, regularly bullied by the big boys.
* ''PastwatchTheRedemptionOfChristopherColumbus'' ''Literature/PastwatchTheRedemptionOfChristopherColumbus'' by Creator/OrsonScottCard has '''Tlaxcala''' take over the world and become a ModernMayincatecEmpire. The key event here is Columbus leading a new Crusade to retake the Holy Land instead of sailing West. This allows the more progressive Tlaxcalans to defeat the Aztecs and establish a bloodthirsty empire that didn't shy away from technological development. Then a Portuguese ship stumbles on the New World, and its crew is captured, tortured for information (specifically, the means to make firearms and build oceangoing ships), and sacrificed. The diseases spread by the sailors only serve as a divine sign from their bloodthirsty god that they must sail East and conquer for more sacrifices. They do exactly that, and the fragmented Europe can't do a thing to stop them.
8th Sep '15 3:25:59 PM DasLegio
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**Justified, since either they wouldn't care, or after the Napoleonic Wars, nobody can beat the British Navy anyways and until WWI, the Draka were part and parcel of the British Empire. And after WWI, nobody had the spare manpower to invade them.
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