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8th Jul '16 2:52:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [[TheyJustDidntCare Nevermind]] that the Aztec Empire was [[NewerThanTheyThink not founded until 1427]]...

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** [[TheyJustDidntCare Nevermind]] Nevermind that the Aztec Empire was [[NewerThanTheyThink not founded until 1427]]...
2nd Jul '16 12:17:01 PM lavendermintrose
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is a weird case. '''Britannia''' rules half the world, but not the British Isles, because Revolutionary France successfully invaded said isles and forced the Britannian royal family to flee to their North American colonies. Meanwhile, Japan, despite being a Britannian colony, seems to have been one of the last non-superpower countries and its independence is treated as central to world politics, thanks to its large deposites of [[MineralMacGuffin Sakuradite]].

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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is a weird case. '''Britannia''' ''Britannia'' rules half the world, but not the British Isles, because Revolutionary France successfully invaded said isles and forced the Britannian royal family aristocracy to flee to their North American colonies. Meanwhile, Japan, despite being a Britannian colony, seems to have been one of the last non-superpower countries and its independence is treated as central to world politics, thanks to its large deposites deposits of [[MineralMacGuffin Sakuradite]].Sakuradite]]. The series' portrayal of Japan may or may not count as the BornLucky element of this - they aren't the dominant power, but the revolution that overturns the three-color-map-world status quo starts in Japan, when a banished Britannian prince decides to help the Japanese rebels, who held out longer than any other colony, so at first, it could seem like they are, but when you look closer, the series is actually quite critical of Japan and a lot of elements of the country's behavior.
29th Jun '16 10:19:40 PM Senza32
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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civlization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they [[TheyWalkAmongUs have infiltrated our society]] and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].

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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civlization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they [[TheyWalkAmongUs have infiltrated our society]] society and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].
29th Jun '16 10:10:28 PM Senza32
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* A rare in-universe example occurs in [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140 SCP-140]] from the SCP Foundation. The [[ArtifactOfDoom object in question]] is a book detailing the history of a civilization called the Daevites. Originally, the Daevites were a minor culture destroyed fairly early on in the history of civlization. However, when the book comes into contact with a fluid that can be used for writing such as ink or human blood (which is, naturally, the most potent writing fluid), the text changes to state that the Daevites recovered from their defeats and rebuilt elsewhere and such. This on its own would not be remarkable compared to many other objects in containment except for the fact that these changes in the written history are [[CosmicRetcon retroactively applied]] to the world, with corresponding archaeological sites appearing. Each time the book has such an ''expansion event'', their history gets closer and closer to modern times. This is especially bad because the Daevites are [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]], performing [[HumanSacrifice human sacrifice]], follow a [[ReligionOfEvil religion of evil]], and appear to be [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid abominations]], specifically a separate subspecies from humans with much longer lives and therefore often superior intelligence to humans. Furthermore, they [[TheyWalkAmongUs have infiltrated our society]] and are actively working to [[OhCrap expand their history further]].


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22nd Jun '16 12:10:06 PM Worffan101
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* '''The Eastern Roman Empire''', and the '''Malwa''' Empire before its collapse in ''Literature/TheBelisariusSeries''. {{Justified}} in that they're both being aided by supercomputers from the future to advance technologically.

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* '''The Eastern Roman Empire''', and the '''Malwa''' Empire before its collapse in ''Literature/TheBelisariusSeries''.the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries''. {{Justified}} in that they're both being aided by supercomputers from the future to advance technologically.
22nd Jun '16 12:08:53 PM Worffan101
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*** Not really. The Draka catch an implausible number of incredibly lucky breaks in their early history (the "serf" justification for slavery seems especially unlikely to fly past the British administration, as does the allegedly covert aid to the Confederacy), and even once they carve themselves out of the British Empire, they are a totalitarian slavocracy combining all of the greatest weaknesses of Nazi Germany, ancient Sparta, and the CSA. In pure numerical terms the Draka should be incapable of invading any state larger than an unsupported Kuwait, lest their civilians be torn apart by rebel slaves when the armies are away (as happened to Sparta in our history). On top of that, the TooDumbToLive tendencies of the Alliance leadership, including ''allowing the Draka to invade Alliance-allied Siberia without repercussions'' break the bounds of credibility.


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* '''The Eastern Roman Empire''', and the '''Malwa''' Empire before its collapse in ''Literature/TheBelisariusSeries''. {{Justified}} in that they're both being aided by supercomputers from the future to advance technologically.
14th May '16 1:31:36 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* The '''Confederate States of America''' in ''{{Timeline-191}}'' by Creator/HarryTurtledove. Having defeated the Union in the civil war, they extend their border to the Pacific, defeat the United States a second time and then abolish slavery, all in the course of a year. However, the trope is effectively averted in the rest of the series, which demonstrates the disadvantages the country would suffer (inferior industrial base and population available for the army compared to the USA, for example) and sees the Confederacy getting crushed in the First World War.

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* The '''Confederate States of America''' in ''{{Timeline-191}}'' ''Literature/Timeline191'' by Creator/HarryTurtledove. Having defeated the Union in the civil war, they extend their border to the Pacific, defeat the United States a second time and then abolish slavery, all in the course of a year. However, the trope is effectively averted in the rest of the series, which demonstrates the disadvantages the country would suffer (inferior industrial base and population available for the army compared to the USA, for example) and sees the Confederacy getting crushed in the First World War.
10th May '16 2:35:38 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''EmpireEarth II'', the African campaign is set in the not-so-distant future and concerns a new energy source that can hold a lot of kinetic energy which allows '''Kenya''' to become a force to be reckoned with.

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* In ''EmpireEarth ''VideoGame/EmpireEarth II'', the African campaign is set in the not-so-distant future and concerns a new energy source that can hold a lot of kinetic energy which allows '''Kenya''' to become a force to be reckoned with.
29th Apr '16 1:35:26 PM Doug86
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* The various ''Strangerverse'' timelines from AlternateHistoryDotCom ''invoke'' this trope. The entire point of the timeline is to have a certain country that will eventually end up covering the entire Earth. The story itself is that a time traveler from the future came to the past and gave AppliedPhlebotinum to a major historical figure that will help his country in doing this task. Examples include:

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* The various ''Strangerverse'' timelines from AlternateHistoryDotCom Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom ''invoke'' this trope. The entire point of the timeline is to have a certain country that will eventually end up covering the entire Earth. The story itself is that a time traveler from the future came to the past and gave AppliedPhlebotinum to a major historical figure that will help his country in doing this task. Examples include:
27th Mar '16 8:02:11 AM mlsmithca
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* The '''Byzantine Empire''' in ''Agent of Byzantium'' series of short stories by Turtledove. Turtledove is in his element here, as he holds a PhD in Byzantine history. In this version, Prophet Mohammed, rather than starting Islam, becomes a Christian saint (not too far from the reality, in some sense--Islam and Christianity are much more closely related theologically than one might expect) and consequently, no crippling military threat from the East to Byzantine /Empire materialized.

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* The '''Byzantine Empire''' in ''Agent of Byzantium'' series of short stories by Turtledove. Turtledove is in his element here, as he holds a PhD [=PhD=] in Byzantine history. In this version, Prophet Mohammed, rather than starting Islam, becomes a Christian saint (not too far from the reality, in some sense--Islam and Christianity are much more closely related theologically than one might expect) and consequently, no crippling military threat from the East to Byzantine /Empire materialized.
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