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12th Aug '17 12:27:09 PM Willbyr
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7th Aug '17 4:48:24 AM MCanter89
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-> ''If often he was wrong and at times absurd\\

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This is also known as "Somewhere A Psychologist Is Crying" and is a subtrope of HollywoodPsych and SmallReferencePools. Whenever psychology comes up in media, it will always use archaic/obsolete models like the Freudian one.

The cause of this trope is obvious: while it may be more factually accurate to determine that TheSociopath has no empathy because of a dodgy prefrontal cortex, it makes a much more interesting ''story'' to say [[FreudianExcuse it is due to him being beaten by his father, misunderstood by everyone around him, and]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking rejected from]] [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler art school]]. A schizophrenic being treated with anti-psychotic drugs is unremarkable; one being cured by finally confronting the neighbour who raped her is triumphant. For that matter, biological treatment (e.g., drugs) is [[BoringButPractical practical but boring]], [[BedlamHouse while mental asylums suck]]; CharacterDevelopment-based treatment (e.g., psychoanalysis and humanistic therapies) might take time but brings [[ContemplateOurNavels contemplation]], [[EpiphanyTherapy epiphany]] and triumphant catharsis with it. Keep in mind that this is not always inaccurate per se, just limited.

Mostly [[JustifiedTrope justified ]] in works set or made between about 1905 and 1975, before the invention of many of the modern psychiatric medications and when Freud's ideas were much more in the academic mainstream.

Often goes in hand-in-hand with discussion of PsychologicalProjection. Also see FreudianCouch. FreudWasRight [[IThoughtItMeant sounds as if]] it might refer to this trope, but actually refers to a still more [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] understanding of Freud--the idea that our subconscious id is nothing more or less than our [[CovertPervert inner pervert, providing a constant litany of crude sexual thoughts.]] For another perspective, check out Freud's one-time apprentice[=/=]main competition, UsefulNotes/CarlJung.

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This is also known as "Somewhere "Somewhere, A Psychologist Is Crying" and is a subtrope of HollywoodPsych and SmallReferencePools. Whenever psychology comes up in media, it will always use archaic/obsolete models like the Freudian one.

The cause of this trope is obvious: while it may be more factually accurate to determine that TheSociopath has no empathy because of a dodgy prefrontal cortex, it makes a much more interesting ''story'' to say [[FreudianExcuse it is due to him being beaten by his father, misunderstood by everyone around him, and]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking rejected from]] [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler art school]]. A schizophrenic being treated with anti-psychotic drugs is unremarkable; one being cured by finally confronting the neighbour who raped her is triumphant. For that matter, biological treatment (e.g., drugs) is [[BoringButPractical practical but boring]], [[BedlamHouse while mental asylums suck]]; CharacterDevelopment-based CharacterDevelopment–based treatment (e.g., psychoanalysis and humanistic therapies) might take time but brings [[ContemplateOurNavels contemplation]], [[EpiphanyTherapy epiphany]] epiphany]], and triumphant catharsis with it. Keep in mind that this is not always inaccurate per se, just limited.

Mostly [[JustifiedTrope justified ]] {{justified|Trope}} in works set or made between about 1905 and 1975, before the invention of many of the modern psychiatric medications and when Freud's ideas were much more in the academic mainstream.

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Often goes in hand-in-hand with discussion of PsychologicalProjection. Also see FreudianCouch. FreudWasRight [[IThoughtItMeant sounds as if]] it might refer to this trope, but actually refers to a still more [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] understanding of Freud--the idea that our subconscious id is nothing more or less than our [[CovertPervert inner pervert, providing a constant litany of crude sexual thoughts.]] thoughts]]. For another perspective, check out Freud's one-time apprentice[=/=]main competition, UsefulNotes/CarlJung.



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* ''ComicBook/LuckyLuke'': One story has a proto-Freudian doctor visit the US to test his theories (that all criminals trace their behavior back to a turning point in their childhoods). He demonstrates this by getting the criminals to talk about their childhoods, which leads them to start crying, return the loot they'd stolen and promise to live better lives from then on. He later goes bad (after realizing the Daltons are ''proud'' of their criminal childhoods) and ends up robbing a bank by getting the manager to realize he'd spent his entire life hating yet craving money, and rids himself of this burden into the charitable hands of the Daltons. In the end, the only Dalton he'd manage to cure was [[DumbIsGood Averell.]] The man himself makes a cameo at the very end, as a terrified nanny tells Mrs. Freud what baby Siggy tried to get her to do.

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* ''ComicBook/LuckyLuke'': One story has a proto-Freudian doctor visit the US to test his theories (that all criminals trace their behavior back to a turning point in their childhoods). He demonstrates this by getting the criminals to talk about their childhoods, which leads them to start crying, return the loot they'd stolen and promise to live better lives from then on. He later goes bad (after realizing the Daltons are ''proud'' of their criminal childhoods) and ends up robbing a bank by getting the manager to realize he'd spent his entire life hating yet craving money, and rids himself of this burden into the charitable hands of the Daltons. In the end, the only Dalton he'd manage to cure was [[DumbIsGood Averell.]] Averell]]. The man himself makes a cameo at the very end, as a terrified nanny tells Mrs. Freud what baby Siggy tried to get her to do.



** ... Which, ironically, is [[SubvertedTrope a very Freudian view of dream-psychology.]]

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** ... Which, ironically, is [[SubvertedTrope a very Freudian view of dream-psychology.]]dream-psychology]].



* Averted in ''Film/BatmanBegins'' with Jonathan Crane. The only psychology we see him engage in is total bullshit designed to get Rachel off his back, and even that actually name-checks [[CarlJung Jungian]] theories instead of Freud. Although one could technically argue his status as a behavioral or biological psychologist, considering the ways he was using the fear gas.

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* Averted in ''Film/BatmanBegins'' with Jonathan Crane. The only psychology we see him engage in is total bullshit designed to get Rachel off his back, and even that actually name-checks [[CarlJung [[UsefulNotes/CarlJung Jungian]] theories instead of Freud. Although one could technically argue his status as a behavioral or biological psychologist, considering the ways he was using the fear gas.



* In ''Film/ApartmentZero'' one of the neighbors tells Jack that he reminds him of [[HoYay a boy]] [[DoubleEntendre he was close to when he was in school]] The neighbor speculates what Freud would have to say about that, and then [[SexyDiscretionShot it is implied that he and Jack get up to some. . . very Freudian activities.]]

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* In ''Film/ApartmentZero'' one of the neighbors tells Jack that he reminds him of [[HoYay a boy]] [[DoubleEntendre he was close to when he was in school]] The neighbor speculates what Freud would have to say about that, and then [[SexyDiscretionShot it is implied that he and Jack get up to some. . . some... very Freudian activities.]]activities]].



* Played straight and averted in Chaim Potok's ''Literature/TheChosen''. Danny's entire pre-university education in psychology involved reading Freud (in the original German) and assumes that Freud is the be-all-and-end all of psychology. Only when he enters university (1960s-1970s) does he realize that Freudianism has been completely jettisoned by academia and replaced with Hard Behaviorism. The culture shock, needless to say, is considerable.

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* Played straight and averted in Chaim Potok's ''Literature/TheChosen''. Danny's entire pre-university education in psychology involved reading Freud (in the original German) and assumes that Freud is the be-all-and-end all of psychology. Only when he enters university (1960s-1970s) (1960s–1970s) does he realize that Freudianism has been completely jettisoned by academia and replaced with Hard Behaviorism. The culture shock, needless to say, is considerable.



* In ''I Never Promised You A Rose Garden'', the main character is “cured” of schizophrenia by talk therapy. Weirder still, the book was inspired by a true story--but the author didn’t know how it ended. [[spoiler: The bond between doctor and patient was so strong that the doctor’s beliefs were incorporated into the patient’s delusional system; she stopped hallucinating because that was the doctor’s reality. When the real-life doctor died, her real-life patient slipped right back into psychosis.]]

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* In ''I Never Promised You A Rose Garden'', the main character is “cured” of schizophrenia by talk therapy. Weirder still, the book was inspired by a true story--but the author didn’t know how it ended. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The bond between doctor and patient was so strong that the doctor’s beliefs were incorporated into the patient’s delusional system; she stopped hallucinating because that was the doctor’s reality. When the real-life doctor died, her real-life patient slipped right back into psychosis.]]



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--->'''Phoebe Halliwell:''' So I just studied this in psych 101. Freud. You're the ID. Prue's inner desires. Which means that she is the ego. The [[CriticalResearchFailure control factor.]]

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--->'''Phoebe Halliwell:''' So I just studied this in psych 101. Freud. You're the ID. Prue's inner desires. Which means that she is the ego. The [[CriticalResearchFailure control factor.]]factor]].



** Or perhaps that incident subtly hints that Beverly is either A: not as bright as she thinks she is, or B: a ruthless [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative bitch.]]

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** Or perhaps that incident subtly hints that Beverly is either A: not as bright as she thinks she is, or B: a ruthless [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative bitch.]]bitch]].



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** [[ShadowArchetype Jungian shadows]] play important roles in the games, particularly in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', in which each party member (other than [[SilentProtagonist the protagonist]]) confronts theirs [[spoiler: in the collective unconscious, another Jungian idea]] in order to obtain their Persona. Shadows also show up as every enemy in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', save for a few bosses.

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** [[ShadowArchetype Jungian shadows]] play important roles in the games, particularly in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', in which each party member (other than [[SilentProtagonist the protagonist]]) confronts theirs [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in the collective unconscious, another Jungian idea]] in order to obtain their Persona. Shadows also show up as every enemy in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', save for a few bosses.



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* ''WesternAnimation/{{American Dad}}'': During the episode "A Pinata Named Desire" Roger and Stan have been relentlessly competing, Hayley tells them to just f*** and get it over with because of their repressed sexual urges (which just screams Freudian). Steve asks her how her [[{{Subject 101}} Psychology 101]] class is going and she replies that it's only day three and she already understands how the whole world works.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{American Dad}}'': ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'': During the episode "A Pinata Named Desire" Roger and Stan have been relentlessly competing, Hayley tells them to just f*** and get it over with because of their repressed sexual urges (which just screams Freudian). Steve asks her how her [[{{Subject 101}} Psychology 101]] class is going and she replies that it's only day three and she already understands how the whole world works.



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4th Aug '17 7:16:49 PM Willbyr
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* Played with in ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'': Kyon wakes up from a dream that ended with a kiss and cries, "What the hell?! Freud would have a field day with this!"
** Also, Koizumi is fond of explaining Haruhi's and everyone else's behavior through Freudian psychology. Justified in that that's not his job. Also, he mostly stays clear of {{Freudian Excuse}}s and seems to use Freud's actual theories, not TheThemeParkVersion.
* In ''[[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's]]'', one of the duelists, Professor Frank, is a psychologist and a hypnotist, whose cards (most notably Id the Superdemonic Lord, aka [[{{Bowdlerize}} Ido the Supreme Magical Force]]) are a ShoutOut to Freudian Psychology (specifically, Psychonanalysis)—especially easy seeing as he's dueling a little girl, and his calm demeanor quickly leaves [[TalkativeLoon him talking like a lunatic]] when they both enter the SpiritWorld, and on top of that his star monster (the aforementioned Id) is in itself an extra ShoutOut to the monster of the same name from Film/ForbiddenPlanet.

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* ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'':
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Played with in ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'': when Kyon wakes up from a dream that ended with a kiss and cries, "What the hell?! Freud would have a field day with this!"
** Also, Koizumi is fond of explaining Haruhi's and everyone else's behavior through Freudian psychology. Justified in that that's not his job. Also, he mostly stays clear of {{Freudian Excuse}}s and seems to use Freud's actual theories, not TheThemeParkVersion.
* In ''[[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's]]'', ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', one of the duelists, Professor Frank, is a psychologist and a hypnotist, whose cards (most notably Id the Superdemonic Lord, aka [[{{Bowdlerize}} Ido the Supreme Magical Force]]) are a ShoutOut to Freudian Psychology (specifically, Psychonanalysis)—especially easy seeing as he's dueling a little girl, and his calm demeanor quickly leaves [[TalkativeLoon him talking like a lunatic]] when they both enter the SpiritWorld, and on top of that his star monster (the aforementioned Id) is in itself an extra ShoutOut to the monster of the same name from Film/ForbiddenPlanet.



* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': Averted for the most part. Psychological disorders in the series are treated yes, but never cured. Magnus's OCD for one thing is something he always has to deal with, it's only in light of his nervous breakdown does it begin to overwhelm his life but as he get's himself under control, he's able to manage his compulsions rather than cure himself of them. The story even has two psychologists: Rung (based on Carl Jung, who's treated as empathetic and competent) and Froid (based on Sigmund Freud, who's treated as an unethical hack who later goes on to assist a serial killer) who both bring up various tropes on psychology.

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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': Averted for the most part. Psychological disorders in the series are treated yes, but never cured. Magnus's OCD for one thing is something he always has to deal with, it's only in light of his nervous breakdown does it begin to overwhelm his life but as he get's gets himself under control, he's able to manage his compulsions rather than cure himself of them. The story even has two psychologists: Rung (based on Carl Jung, who's treated as empathetic and competent) and Froid (based on Sigmund Freud, who's treated as an unethical hack who later goes on to assist a serial killer) who both bring up various tropes on psychology.
25th Jul '17 7:43:54 PM Berrenta
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* ''VideoGame/{{Psychonauts}}'' uses the "collective unconscious" as a sort of world hub of sorts when travelling across the mindscape-it's mostly used to access minds you've already visited when you can't personally harass the person it belongs to and hit 'em with a psycho-portal again. Since I'm not all that familiar with psychology, though, I'm not sure how closely Double Fine's interpretation matches up with what Jung was talking about...
** Not very. The Collective Unconscious is a (theoretical) similar arrangement of individual experiences, shared by all the members of a single species. Considering the ways he used it to analyze dreams, folklore, and literature...[[ThisVeryWiki you're soaking in it]].
** In ''VideoGame/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice'' we have Sybil's Psychotherapy, where according to Sybil, Sam's dream including Sybil means we has a thing to his mother.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Psychonauts}}'' uses the "collective unconscious" as a sort of world hub of sorts when travelling across the mindscape-it's mostly used to access minds you've already visited when you can't personally harass the person it belongs to and hit 'em with a psycho-portal again. Since I'm not all that familiar with psychology, though, I'm not sure how closely Double Fine's interpretation matches up with what Jung was talking about...
** Not very. The Collective Unconscious is a (theoretical) similar arrangement of individual experiences, shared by all the members of a single species. Considering the ways he used it to analyze dreams, folklore, and literature...[[ThisVeryWiki you're soaking in it]].
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In ''VideoGame/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice'' we have Sybil's Psychotherapy, where according to Sybil, Sam's dream including Sybil means we has a thing to his mother.
20th Jul '17 11:53:19 AM Bisected8
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* ''Film/TheMask'': Dr. Newman has a theory that people wear metaphorical masks to conceal who they truly are, or their Id, a Freudian concept.

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* ''Film/TheMask'': Dr. Newman has a theory that people wear metaphorical masks to conceal who they truly are, or their Id, a Id. A mainly Jungian concept, but the idea of an id is entirely Freudian concept.(Jung's theories basically took the concept of an id, ego and superego and split them into far more complex parts).
19th Jul '17 9:23:02 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/TheMask'': Dr. Newman has a theory that people wear metaphorical masks to conceal who they truly are, or their Id, a Freudian concept.
19th Jul '17 3:09:38 AM ikissfrogs
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** ... Which, ironically, is [[SubvertedTrope a very Freudian view of dream-psychology.]]
15th Jul '17 9:13:04 PM KillerClowns
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* Parodied in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals''. When Mr. Nutt has to psychoanalyze himself (long story, but ItMakesSenseInContext) he uses a FreudianCouch and a "slight Uberwaldian accent."

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* Parodied in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals''. When Mr. Nutt has to psychoanalyze himself (long story, but ItMakesSenseInContext) he uses a FreudianCouch and a "slight Uberwaldian {{Uberwald}}ian accent."


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* Mrs. Levy in ''Literature/AConfederacyOfDunces'' believes this, though she's pointedly quite incorrect. She took a correspondence course in psychology (which she failed) and constantly tries to apply her "knowledge" to her HenpeckedHusband and Miss Trixie, a senile employee of Levy's company who just wants to retire in peace. Miss Trixie gets it especially awful; Mrs. Levy ''insists'' against the complaints of both Mr. Levy and Miss Trixie herself that what Trixie really wants is to remain employed so she feels wanted. Of course, there's a real Freudian moment when it's revealed that, [[spoiler:with the makeup and wig, Mrs. Levy ends up applying to her, Miss Trixie looks almost exactly like Mrs. Levy's mother]].
10th Jun '17 3:16:06 PM DrPsyche
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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': Averted for the most part. Psychological disorders in the series are treated yes, but never cured. Magnus's OCD for one thing is something he always has to deal with, it's only in light of his nervous breakdown does it begin to overwhelm his life but as he get's himself under control, he's able to manage his compulsions rather than cure himself of them. The story even has two psychologists: Rung (based on Carl Jung, who's treated as empathetic and competent) and Froid (largely treated as an unethical hack who later goes on to assist a serial killer) who both bring up various tropes on psychology.

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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': Averted for the most part. Psychological disorders in the series are treated yes, but never cured. Magnus's OCD for one thing is something he always has to deal with, it's only in light of his nervous breakdown does it begin to overwhelm his life but as he get's himself under control, he's able to manage his compulsions rather than cure himself of them. The story even has two psychologists: Rung (based on Carl Jung, who's treated as empathetic and competent) and Froid (largely (based on Sigmund Freud, who's treated as an unethical hack who later goes on to assist a serial killer) who both bring up various tropes on psychology.
10th Jun '17 3:15:23 PM DrPsyche
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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': Averted for the most part. Psychological disorders in the series are treated yes, but never cured. Magnus's OCD for one thing is something he always has to deal with, it's only in light of his nervous breakdown does it begin to overwhelm his life but as he get's himself under control, he's able to manage his compulsions rather than cure himself of them. The story even has two psychologists: Rung (based on Carl Jung, who's treated as empathetic and competent) and Froid (largely treated as an unethical hack who later goes on to assist a serial killer) who both bring up various tropes on psychology.
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