History Main / AllGermansAreNazis

5th Nov '17 3:42:25 PM MattP5557
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** In one episode Klaus asked what people think of when they hear Germany everyone stares awkwardly until Haley tries to stop herself from saying Holocaust.... Klaus responds "exactly hazelnut pancakes".
18th Oct '17 2:20:12 AM Fireblood
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Even if the JustFollowingOrders excuse might not excuse people of the acts of stealing from, torturing, (sexually) assaulting, and/or murdering other people whilst working for the Nazis, that does not mean that those people ''were'' Nazis and agreed with their entire political agenda. The costs of opposing or even just refusing to support them were ''very'' high, not just because you could be killed on the spot (in 1944-45), but also because you could be imprisoned or fired or passed-over for promotion (1933-45). One must also remember the handful of heroic figures like [[Film/SchindlersList Oskar Schindler]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge Karl Plagge]] who ''were members of'' the Nazi party and publicly supported it, but worked against it in secret. There is also the bizarre case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] and the Nanjing Nazis under his leadership, who saved tens of thousands of Chinese people during the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar Rape of Nanjing]] ''in the name of Hitler and the Nazi Party''. Rabe had no authority from Hitler to do this. He was acting on his own initiative, from his correct belief that this was expected of a decent person, and his incorrect belief that Hitler was the decent sort of person who would expect this.

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Even if the JustFollowingOrders excuse might not excuse people of the acts of stealing from, torturing, (sexually) assaulting, and/or murdering other people whilst working for the Nazis, that does not mean that those people ''were'' Nazis and agreed with their entire political agenda. The costs of opposing or even just refusing to support them were ''very'' high, not just because you could be killed on the spot (in 1944-45), but also because you could be imprisoned or fired or passed-over for promotion (1933-45). One must also remember the handful of heroic figures like [[Film/SchindlersList Oskar Schindler]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge Karl Plagge]] who ''were members of'' the Nazi party and publicly supported it, but worked against it in secret. There is also the bizarre case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] and the Nanjing Nazis under his leadership, who saved tens of thousands of Chinese people during the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar Rape of Nanjing]] ''in the name of Hitler and the Nazi Party''. Rabe had no authority from Hitler to do this. He was acting on his own initiative, from his correct belief that this was expected of a decent person, and his incorrect belief that Hitler was the decent sort of person who would expect this.
this (he later found out how wrong his view had been after being punished for "collaborating with the Chinese" over this).
15th Oct '17 8:20:01 AM moloch
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* Played straight in ''ComicBook/{{Hellboy}}'', where pretty much every German character who appears turns out to have something to do with the Nazis, but averted in the spin-off ''{{ComicBook/BPRD}}'' series, where one of the main characters is the heroic (though occasionally absent-minded) ghost-in-a-bag Johann Krauss. Kate Corrigan has also recently started a relationship with a German policeman.

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* Played straight with in ''ComicBook/{{Hellboy}}'', where pretty much every German character who appears turns out to have something to do with the Nazis, Nazis (usually because they either ''are'' Nazis with some kind of EternalLife, or related to them), but averted in the spin-off ''{{ComicBook/BPRD}}'' series, where modern Germans are universally just regular folks, and one of the main characters is the heroic (though occasionally absent-minded) ghost-in-a-bag Johann Krauss. Kate Corrigan has also recently started a relationship with a German policeman.Kraus.
15th Oct '17 8:17:49 AM moloch
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Even if the JustFollowingOrders excuse might not excuse people of the acts of stealing from, torturing, (sexually) assaulting, and/or murdering other people whilst working for the Nazis, that does not mean that those people ''were'' Nazis and agreed with their entire political agenda. The costs of opposing or even just refusing to support them were ''very'' high, not just because you could be killed on the spot (in 1944-45), but also because you could be imprisoned or fired or passed-over for promotion (1933-45). One must also remember the handful of heroic figures like [[Film/SchindlersList Oskar Schindler]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge Karl Plagge]] who ''were members of'' the Nazi party and publicly supported it, but worked against it in secret. There is also the bizarre case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] and the Nanjing Nazis under his leadership, who saved tens of thousands of Chinese people during the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar Rape of Nanjing]] ''in the name of Hitler and the Nazi Party''. Rabe had no authority from Hitler to do this. He was acting on his own initiative, his correct belief that this was expected of a decent person, and his mistaken belief that Hitler was a decent person.

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Even if the JustFollowingOrders excuse might not excuse people of the acts of stealing from, torturing, (sexually) assaulting, and/or murdering other people whilst working for the Nazis, that does not mean that those people ''were'' Nazis and agreed with their entire political agenda. The costs of opposing or even just refusing to support them were ''very'' high, not just because you could be killed on the spot (in 1944-45), but also because you could be imprisoned or fired or passed-over for promotion (1933-45). One must also remember the handful of heroic figures like [[Film/SchindlersList Oskar Schindler]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge Karl Plagge]] who ''were members of'' the Nazi party and publicly supported it, but worked against it in secret. There is also the bizarre case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] and the Nanjing Nazis under his leadership, who saved tens of thousands of Chinese people during the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar Rape of Nanjing]] ''in the name of Hitler and the Nazi Party''. Rabe had no authority from Hitler to do this. He was acting on his own initiative, from his correct belief that this was expected of a decent person, and his mistaken incorrect belief that Hitler was a the decent person.
sort of person who would expect this.
7th Oct '17 7:11:26 AM SutairuMasuta
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* ''Film/EuroTrip''. Scottie meets the hot German girl's family. Her kid brother goose-steps and does Nazi salutes while his dad isn't looking.

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* ''Film/EuroTrip''. Scottie meets the hot German girl's family. Her kid brother goose-steps goose-steps, draws a Hitler-stache on his face and does Nazi salutes while his dad isn't looking.
26th Sep '17 12:33:42 PM BeerBaron
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* A fantasy equivalent occurs in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series with the Thalmor, ANaziByAnyOtherName [[FantasticRacism racist]] and religious extremist sect which rose to the top of the [[OurElvesAreBetter Altmeri (High Elven)]] government following the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis]] and reestablished the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] of old. However, ''not'' all Altmer support the Thalmor, something which Non-Thalmor Altmer are usually quick to point this out. In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the famous line "the first country the Thalmor took over was their own" (or a variation) appears both in dialogue and in in-game books detailing the events of the Thalmor takeover.
5th Aug '17 1:35:05 PM SeptimusHeap
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** And of course a later episode had the old man who befriended Chris turn out to be a Nazi. It counts as an example because [[{{Lolicon}} Herbert the Pervert]] accused "Franz [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign Gutentag]]" of being a Nazi, seemingly just to get Chris to stay away from him-- [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight and of course, he turns out to be right]].

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** And of course a later episode had the old man who befriended Chris turn out to be a Nazi. It counts as an example because [[{{Lolicon}} [[ComedicLolicon Herbert the Pervert]] accused "Franz [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign Gutentag]]" of being a Nazi, seemingly just to get Chris to stay away from him-- [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight and of course, he turns out to be right]].
31st Jul '17 2:14:55 AM Fireblood
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Can even apply in WWII-based works - a significant minority within the army's officer corps opposed Hitler throughout the war with planned putsches in 1938 and 39, as well as the infamous 20th Juli 1944 while also playing a role in various resistance cells (it has been estimated that over 50% of the resistance was military). Given that the Army had had quite a difficult relationship with Hitler pre-1938 alot of people going into 'inner exile' (seeking a place in society reasonable free from and interaction with Nazi ideology) had also wound up in the service. The record in the war was quite checkered however due to an overlap in what was acceptable and desirable for conservative German nationalist like most of the officer corps and the Nazis, especially as it pertained to actions against partisans (which the old establishment hated with a passion), scorched earth tactics in the East and discipline within the Wehrmacht (20 000+ German servicemen were executed during the war).
The Luftwaffe, having been newly created under the Nazis and lead by Göring was the most nationalsocialist arm in the armed forces with Luftwaffe personnel being notorious for their sympathies for National Socialism. The Navy on the other hand never really approved of National Socialism [[note]] Leading to the famous remark by Hitler of Germany having a 'nationalsocialist airforce, a republican army and an imperial navy.'[[/note]] and the Army's intelligence service (the Abwehr) was quite deliberately obstructive to the Schutzstaffel's (SS's) intelligence service (the Sicherheitsdienst or SD) not just out of InterserviceRivalry but also because it ''didn't'' approve of all the genocides. Even some civilians spoke out against the Nazis, though all of them were in concentration camps by the mid-1930s.

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Can even apply in WWII-based works - a significant minority within the army's officer corps opposed Hitler throughout the war with planned putsches in 1938 and 39, as well as the infamous 20th Juli 1944 while also playing a role in various resistance cells (it has been estimated that over 50% of the resistance was military). Given that the Army had had quite a difficult relationship with Hitler pre-1938 alot of people going into 'inner exile' (seeking a place in society reasonable free from and interaction with Nazi ideology) had also wound up in the service. The record in the war was quite checkered however due to an overlap in what was acceptable and desirable for conservative German nationalist nationalists like most of the officer corps and the Nazis, especially as it pertained to actions against partisans (which the old establishment hated with a passion), scorched earth tactics in the East and discipline within the Wehrmacht (20 000+ (20,000+ German servicemen were executed during the war).
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The Luftwaffe, having been newly created under the Nazis and lead by Göring was the most nationalsocialist National Socialist arm in the armed forces with Luftwaffe personnel being notorious for their sympathies for National Socialism. The Navy on the other hand never really approved of National Socialism [[note]] Leading to the famous remark by Hitler of Germany having a 'nationalsocialist 'National Socialist airforce, a republican army and an imperial navy.'[[/note]] and the Army's intelligence service (the Abwehr) was quite deliberately obstructive to the Schutzstaffel's (SS's) intelligence service (the Sicherheitsdienst or SD) not just out of InterserviceRivalry but also because it ''didn't'' approve of all the genocides. Even some civilians spoke out against the Nazis, though all of them were in concentration camps by the mid-1930s. \n The first people sent to them were not Jews, but all political opponents of the Nazis, starting with the Communists.
17th Jun '17 10:05:31 PM jormis29
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** Bit of RealitySubtext here: Briscoe, [[ActorSharedBackground like Jerry Orbach]], is German Jewish on his father's side (Polish Catholic on his mother's), and is of a generation where this kind of bitterness would be realistic.

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** Bit of RealitySubtext here: Briscoe, [[ActorSharedBackground like Jerry Orbach]], like]] Creator/JerryOrbach, is German Jewish on his father's side (Polish Catholic on his mother's), and is of a generation where this kind of bitterness would be realistic.
11th Jun '17 11:24:44 AM nombretomado
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* Brazilian group Casseta & Planeta once did a sketch on the history of Germany, showcasing great personalities such as "Creator/LudwigVanBeethoven Hitler" and "[[UsefulNotes/FormulaOne Michael Schumacher]] Hitler".

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* Brazilian group Casseta & Planeta once did a sketch on the history of Germany, showcasing great personalities such as "Creator/LudwigVanBeethoven "Music/LudwigVanBeethoven Hitler" and "[[UsefulNotes/FormulaOne Michael Schumacher]] Hitler".
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