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3rd Feb '17 7:00:48 AM Doug86
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* Zig-zagged in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}}''. Make no mistake, you're going to run into a HangingJudge if you stick around long enough, but others actually care what you're guilty of so they don't [[PragmaticVillainy waste precious anti-magic bullets on mundane criminals, or send Chaos cultists to infiltrate valuable penal legions]]. Other sectors like Ultramar even have regular judicial systems. It really depends on the planet you're on, and the scale of the crimes everyone ''else'' is committing.

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* Zig-zagged in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}}''.''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000''. Make no mistake, you're going to run into a HangingJudge if you stick around long enough, but others actually care what you're guilty of so they don't [[PragmaticVillainy waste precious anti-magic bullets on mundane criminals, or send Chaos cultists to infiltrate valuable penal legions]]. Other sectors like Ultramar even have regular judicial systems. It really depends on the planet you're on, and the scale of the crimes everyone ''else'' is committing.



* The city of Skullport in ''ForgottenRealms'' completely turns this trope on its head. The city is ruled by a cabal of floating skulls, who are beings of pure chaos. The only crimes in Skullport are disturbing the peace and undermining the authority of the skulls, but the skulls' punishment can be ''anything'' -- from hugging a stranger to gruesome death.

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* The city of Skullport in ''ForgottenRealms'' ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' completely turns this trope on its head. The city is ruled by a cabal of floating skulls, who are beings of pure chaos. The only crimes in Skullport are disturbing the peace and undermining the authority of the skulls, but the skulls' punishment can be ''anything'' -- from hugging a stranger to gruesome death.
8th Jan '17 11:22:25 AM nombretomado
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* [[Comicbook/ThePunisher2099 The 2099 alternate universe Punisher]] from ''Franchise/{{Marvel 2099}}'' devolves into this. At first, he's killing murderous scum in reaction to his Mom and sister being murdered by crooks who got away with it. At the end of the series, sponsored by a new regime, he's gone around the bend. Among many things, the age at which someone can be tried as an adult is now in the single digits and pretty much everything is a crime punishable by whatever the hell he wants it to be (and brain scanners are used to cover [[{{Thoughtcrime}} bad thoughts]]). At one point, he expresses the desire that [[ConsentingAdults consensual adult sex]] should be punished.

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* [[Comicbook/ThePunisher2099 The 2099 alternate universe Punisher]] from ''Franchise/{{Marvel 2099}}'' ''ComicBook/Marvel2099'' devolves into this. At first, he's killing murderous scum in reaction to his Mom and sister being murdered by crooks who got away with it. At the end of the series, sponsored by a new regime, he's gone around the bend. Among many things, the age at which someone can be tried as an adult is now in the single digits and pretty much everything is a crime punishable by whatever the hell he wants it to be (and brain scanners are used to cover [[{{Thoughtcrime}} bad thoughts]]). At one point, he expresses the desire that [[ConsentingAdults consensual adult sex]] should be punished.
1st Jan '17 1:47:41 PM Kakai
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* ''Literature/{{Edgedancer}}'': Nale punishes every crime with killing the criminal under the assumption that milder punishment leads to recidivism.
15th Dec '16 10:34:35 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': All sinners are equal before the gods according to the High Sparrow. Bearing false witness is as grave a sin as any, as Margaery can attest from a penitent's cell.
27th Nov '16 10:48:52 AM karstovich2
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio Joe Arpaio]], Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona (the county that contains Phoenix) 1993-2017, deliberately made it policy that a stay in his jail as horrible as he can for everybody who passes through it (prison terms that are shorter or for lesser crimes can be served in jail). The trope applies because it would not matter to him whether you're in there because you've been accused of murder or because you didn't pay a parking ticket; everybody who enters is subjected to the same [[http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/judge-calls-maricopa-county-jail-conditions-unconstitutional awful conditions]]. Though he has admitted the reason he does this is to make it so they never want to come back to jail. This has drawn particular criticism because it doesn't distinguish between inmates who have been convicted of a crime and those who have not yet been tried (or are on trial) and are merely being held because they cannot make bail (or are being held on remand). While humiliating convicted criminals might be to some degree legitimate, applying the same treatment to people who have not been convicted -- and are therefore still innocent in the eyes of the law -- is highly questionable. This, combined with his policies targeting undocumented immigrants, led to his defeat by Democrat Paul Penzone in the 2016 election; Penzone promised to reverse or revise these practices, and between those opposed to Arpaio's policies in principle and those who felt that the innumerable lawsuits and massive national opprobrium the policies were generating weren't worth whatever benefit they had, there were enough voters ready to finally kick Arpaio out.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio Joe Arpaio]], Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona (the county that contains Phoenix) 1993-2017, deliberately made it policy that a stay in his jail as horrible as he can for everybody who passes through it (prison terms that are shorter or for lesser crimes can be served in jail). The trope applies because it would not matter to him whether you're in there because you've been accused of murder or because you didn't pay a parking ticket; everybody who enters is subjected to the same [[http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/judge-calls-maricopa-county-jail-conditions-unconstitutional awful conditions]]. Though he has admitted the reason he does enacted this is policy was to make it so they never want to come back to jail. This has drawn particular criticism because it doesn't failed to distinguish between inmates who have been convicted of a crime and those who have not yet been tried (or are on trial) and are merely being held because they cannot make bail (or are being held on remand). While humiliating convicted criminals might be to some degree legitimate, applying the same treatment to people who have not been convicted -- and are therefore still innocent in the eyes of the law -- is highly questionable. This, combined with his policies targeting undocumented immigrants, led to his defeat by Democrat Paul Penzone in the 2016 election; Penzone promised to reverse or revise these practices, and between those opposed to Arpaio's policies in on principle and those who felt that the innumerable lawsuits and massive national opprobrium the policies were generating weren't worth whatever benefit they had, there were enough voters ready to finally kick Arpaio out.
27th Nov '16 10:46:59 AM karstovich2
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* Maricopa County Sheriff [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio Joe Arpaio]] deliberately makes a stay in his jail as horrible as he can for everybody who passes through it (prison terms that are shorter or for lesser crimes can be served in jail). The trope applies because it doesn't matter to him whether you're in there because you've been accused of murder or because you didn't pay a parking ticket; everybody who enters is subjected to the same [[http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/judge-calls-maricopa-county-jail-conditions-unconstitutional awful conditions]]. Though he has admitted the reason he does this is to make it so they never want to come back to jail. This has drawn particular criticism because it doesn't distinguish between inmates who have been convicted of a crime and those who have not yet been tried (or are on trial) and are merely being held because they cannot make bail (or are being held on remand). While humiliating convicted criminals might be to some degree legitimate, applying the same treatment to people who have not been convicted -- and are therefore still innocent in the eyes of the law -- is highly questionable.

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* Maricopa County Sheriff [[http://en.*[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio Joe Arpaio]] Arpaio]], Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona (the county that contains Phoenix) 1993-2017, deliberately makes made it policy that a stay in his jail as horrible as he can for everybody who passes through it (prison terms that are shorter or for lesser crimes can be served in jail). The trope applies because it doesn't would not matter to him whether you're in there because you've been accused of murder or because you didn't pay a parking ticket; everybody who enters is subjected to the same [[http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/judge-calls-maricopa-county-jail-conditions-unconstitutional awful conditions]]. Though he has admitted the reason he does this is to make it so they never want to come back to jail. This has drawn particular criticism because it doesn't distinguish between inmates who have been convicted of a crime and those who have not yet been tried (or are on trial) and are merely being held because they cannot make bail (or are being held on remand). While humiliating convicted criminals might be to some degree legitimate, applying the same treatment to people who have not been convicted -- and are therefore still innocent in the eyes of the law -- is highly questionable. This, combined with his policies targeting undocumented immigrants, led to his defeat by Democrat Paul Penzone in the 2016 election; Penzone promised to reverse or revise these practices, and between those opposed to Arpaio's policies in principle and those who felt that the innumerable lawsuits and massive national opprobrium the policies were generating weren't worth whatever benefit they had, there were enough voters ready to finally kick Arpaio out.
20th Nov '16 6:35:20 PM Fireblood
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* Several Western countries are under pressure to crack down heavily on antisemitic comments and actions. The problem, as critics have pointed out, is that the interpretation of antisemitic speech is so broad that it would place legitimate criticism of actions undertaken by the state of Israel on the same level as Holocaust denial, or random acts of violence against Jewish people. It has been pointed out that it would not only serve some vested interests if criticism of Israeli government actions was stifled, it would actually encourage [[ConspiracyTheorist people]] who believe the AncientConspiracy exists and a certain ethnicity is behind it - and make them even more strident in the perceived defense of their right to free speech. The venerable American Anti-Defamation League has been accused of doing this commonly, and seems to view ''all'' efforts at pressuring Israel into changing policy as an antisemitic campaign. In fairness, we must note that antisemites typically do not look fondly on Israel, as you would expect, and legitimate criticisms can get mistakes for bigotry. On the other hand, this seems to be conflated deliberately too at times as a means of tarring critics as antisemites and thus discredit them. In the US, hate speech isn't illegal. However elsewhere there have been serious legal issues (including punishment) regarding this.

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* Several Western countries are under pressure to crack down heavily on antisemitic comments and actions. actions here. The problem, as critics have pointed out, is that the interpretation of antisemitic speech is so broad that it would also place legitimate criticism of actions undertaken by the state of Israel on the same level as Holocaust denial, or random acts of violence against Jewish people. It has been pointed out that it would not only serve some vested interests if criticism of Israeli government actions was stifled, it would actually encourage [[ConspiracyTheorist people]] who believe the AncientConspiracy exists and a certain ethnicity is behind it - and make them even more strident in the perceived defense of their right to free speech. The venerable American Anti-Defamation League has been accused of doing this commonly, and seems to view ''all'' efforts at pressuring Israel into changing policy as an antisemitic campaign. In fairness, we must note that antisemites typically do not look fondly on Israel, as you would expect, and legitimate criticisms can get mistakes for bigotry. On the other hand, this seems to be conflated deliberately too at times as a means of tarring critics as being antisemites (even ''Jewish'' ones-they're supposedly "[[InternalizedCategorism self-hating]]") and thus discredit them. In the US, hate speech isn't illegal. However elsewhere there have been serious legal issues (including punishment) regarding this.
20th Nov '16 12:36:54 PM StFan
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* In Sigil, the central backdrop of the ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons & Dragons]]'' ''{{Planescape}}'' setting, criminal justice is enforced by the [[KnightTemplar Mercykillers]], who have two punishments: death for felonies and mandatory 10 years' imprisonment for everything else.

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* In Sigil, the central backdrop of the ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons & Dragons]]'' ''{{Planescape}}'' ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' setting, criminal justice is enforced by the [[KnightTemplar Mercykillers]], who have two punishments: death for felonies and mandatory 10 years' imprisonment for everything else.



* The Malleus Maleficarum from ''WitchGirlsAdventures'' consider being a Witch a crime punishable by death, regardless of how they use their powers. Torment and kill mundanes for your amusement? Death! Turn the school bully into a frog because he's picking on your friend and you're a kid who doesn't know any better? Death! Local doctor who covertly uses their magic to help when regular medicine isn't enough? Death! Benevolent princess of a fantasy world come to Earth to study abroad and use your magic to help people? Death!

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* The Malleus Maleficarum from ''WitchGirlsAdventures'' ''TabletopGame/WitchGirlsAdventures'' consider being a Witch a crime punishable by death, regardless of how they use their powers. Torment and kill mundanes for your amusement? Death! Turn the school bully into a frog because he's picking on your friend and you're a kid who doesn't know any better? Death! Local doctor who covertly uses their magic to help when regular medicine isn't enough? Death! Benevolent princess of a fantasy world come to Earth to study abroad and use your magic to help people? Death!
31st Oct '16 6:17:11 PM Fireblood
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* Several Western countries are under pressure to crack down heavily on anti-semitic comment and action. The problem, as critics have pointed out, is that the interpretation of anti-semitic speech is so broad that it would place legitimate criticism of actions undertaken by the state of Israel on the same level as Holocaust denial, or random acts of violence against Jewish people. It has been pointed out that it would not only serve some vested interests if criticism of Israeli government actions was stifled, it would actually encourage [[ConspiracyTheorist people]] who believe the AncientConspiracy exists and a certain ethnicity is behind it - and make them even more strident in the perceived defence of their right to free speech.


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* Several Western countries are under pressure to crack down heavily on antisemitic comments and actions. The problem, as critics have pointed out, is that the interpretation of antisemitic speech is so broad that it would place legitimate criticism of actions undertaken by the state of Israel on the same level as Holocaust denial, or random acts of violence against Jewish people. It has been pointed out that it would not only serve some vested interests if criticism of Israeli government actions was stifled, it would actually encourage [[ConspiracyTheorist people]] who believe the AncientConspiracy exists and a certain ethnicity is behind it - and make them even more strident in the perceived defense of their right to free speech. The venerable American Anti-Defamation League has been accused of doing this commonly, and seems to view ''all'' efforts at pressuring Israel into changing policy as an antisemitic campaign. In fairness, we must note that antisemites typically do not look fondly on Israel, as you would expect, and legitimate criticisms can get mistakes for bigotry. On the other hand, this seems to be conflated deliberately too at times as a means of tarring critics as antisemites and thus discredit them. In the US, hate speech isn't illegal. However elsewhere there have been serious legal issues (including punishment) regarding this.
31st Oct '16 9:52:05 AM AgProv
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* Several Western countries are under pressure to crack down heavily on anti-semitic comment and action. The problem, as critics have pointed out, is that the interpretation of anti-semitic speech is so broad that it would place legitimate criticism of actions undertaken by the state of Israel on the same level as Holocaust denial, or random acts of violence against Jewish people. It has been pointed out that it would not only serve some vested interests if criticism of Israeli government actions was stifled, it would actually encourage [[Conspiracy Theorist people]] who believe the AncientConspiracy exists and a certain ethnicity is behind it - and make them even more strident in the perceived defence of their right to free speech.

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* Several Western countries are under pressure to crack down heavily on anti-semitic comment and action. The problem, as critics have pointed out, is that the interpretation of anti-semitic speech is so broad that it would place legitimate criticism of actions undertaken by the state of Israel on the same level as Holocaust denial, or random acts of violence against Jewish people. It has been pointed out that it would not only serve some vested interests if criticism of Israeli government actions was stifled, it would actually encourage [[Conspiracy Theorist [[ConspiracyTheorist people]] who believe the AncientConspiracy exists and a certain ethnicity is behind it - and make them even more strident in the perceived defence of their right to free speech.
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