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29th Apr '13 8:42:22 AM Samadhir

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16th Feb '13 7:19:23 AM PRH

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This needs to be rewritten. As of now, this paragraph contradicts itself.

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"'You forget to whom you speak,' said Aragorn sternly, and his eyes glinted." Aragorn continues: "'Did I not openly proclaim my title before the doors of Edoras? What do you fear that I should say to him?'" In Ohlmarks' translation, it's "'What do you fear that I should say to him? That I have an insubordinate rascal of a dwarf here, and would like to trade him for an obliging orc?'" It was "creativity" like this that made Swedish fans really loathe Ohlmarks and his translation. This example is especially glaring as it combines omission with Ohlmarks inserting his own inferior material, and derails Aragorn's character in the process -- ...except that it doesn't. Ohlmarks worked with the less well-known first edition of ''[=LoTR=]'', where Aragorn ''actually says this'': "'What do you fear that I should say: that I had a rascal of a rebel dwarf here that I would gladly exchange for a serviceable orc?'". When Swedish fans wanted to have a look at the original English text, they typically read the second edition (1966, quoted above) and didn't realize that the text had been "softened" in several places. While most of the problems with Ohlmarks' translation really are his own fault, in cases like this the [[MisBlamed perceived false note]] actually ''is'' true to the original.

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29th Jul '12 2:42:03 PM LordGro

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8th May '12 7:41:00 PM Nightsky

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JRRTolkien was able to read Swedish with the help of a dictionary, and following the disappointing first (Dutch) translation he had asked the Swedish publisher for a list of translated names. He was unhappy with Ohlmarks' work and tried to reason with him, but Ohlmarks wouldn't budge. To avoid similar problems in the future, Tolkien wrote a translation guide which later translations to other languages profited from. When ''Literature/{{The Silmarillion}}'' was published, Christopher Tolkien specifically asked for another translator, and the Tolkien estate and the Swedish Tolkien fandom carried on a low-key feud with Ohlmarks until his death. One of the lowlights of this was a screed Ohlmarks wrote wherein he accused Swedish Tolkien fans of being Satanists under the control of the Tolkien estate in Oxford. In 2004 a new translation of the books was finally made. Swedish ''[=LotR=]'' fans now need to decide whether to be relieved that the errors are, at long last, corrected or to feel that TheyChangedItNowItSucks.

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Creator/JRRTolkien was able to read Swedish with the help of a dictionary, and following the disappointing first (Dutch) translation he had asked the Swedish publisher for a list of translated names. He was unhappy with Ohlmarks' work and tried to reason with him, but Ohlmarks wouldn't budge. To avoid similar problems in the future, Tolkien wrote a translation guide which later translations to other languages profited from. When ''Literature/{{The Silmarillion}}'' was published, Christopher Tolkien specifically asked for another translator, and the Tolkien estate and the Swedish Tolkien fandom carried on a low-key feud with Ohlmarks until his death. One of the lowlights of this was a screed Ohlmarks wrote wherein he accused Swedish Tolkien fans of being Satanists under the control of the Tolkien estate in Oxford. In 2004 a new translation of the books was finally made. Swedish ''[=LotR=]'' fans now need to decide whether to be relieved that the errors are, at long last, corrected or to feel that TheyChangedItNowItSucks.

6th Apr '12 1:24:21 PM DoctorSerenitySquid

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JRRTolkien was able to read Swedish with the help of a dictionary, and following the disappointing first (Dutch) translation he had asked the Swedish publisher for a list of translated names. He was unhappy with Ohlmarks' work and tried to reason with him, but Ohlmarks wouldn't budge. To avoid similar problems in the future, Tolkien wrote a translation guide which later translations to other languages profited from. When the ''{{Silmarillion}}'' was published, Christopher Tolkien specifically asked for another translator, and the Tolkien estate and the Swedish Tolkien fandom carried on a low-key feud with Ohlmarks until his death. One of the lowlights of this was a screed Ohlmarks wrote wherein he accused Swedish Tolkien fans of being Satanists under the control of the Tolkien estate in Oxford. In 2004 a new translation of the books was finally made. Swedish ''[=LotR=]'' fans now need to decide whether to be relieved that the errors are, at long last, corrected or to feel that TheyChangedItNowItSucks.

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