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27th Apr '16 1:05:14 PM MarkLungo
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* Another Kubrick example: he was able to film ''Film/TheShining'' without Danny Lloyd, the young actor playing Danny Torrance, being aware that he was in a horror film. Pretty amazing, considering the ever-darkening tone of the film and some of the horror scenes he is in.



** Craven also hid the final pages of [[Film/{{Scream 2}} the second movie]]'s script.
* In ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', no one was told about Darth Vader's revelation until just before shooting the scene. And by "no one", we mean Creator/JamesEarlJones (who initially thought it was a lie) and MarkHamill (who was pulled aside and told the truth, and also didn't believe it): Creator/GeorgeLucas wanted so badly for this to be a secret that the scene was filmed with David Prowse saying, "No, Obi-Wan killed your father!" Prowse was very upset after the premiere, and told director Irvin Kershner his body language would have been completely different if he'd known the truth. As a consequence, the overdubbing for the scene is rather terrible; it looks like Vader has palsy or something, because his gesturing for emphasis doesn't fit the overdubbed line ''at all'' while you can pretty clearly see that it would fit "No, Obi-Wan killed your father" perfectly.
* In the film ''Smile'', none of the actresses playing the pageant contestants were told who the winner was until the scene was being shot.
* In ''Film/TheShining'', Kubrick was able to film the whole movie without Danny Lloyd, the young actor playing Danny Torrance, being aware that he was in a horror film. Pretty amazing, considering the ever-darkening tone of the film and some of the horror scenes he is in.

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** Craven Creator/WesCraven also hid the final pages of [[Film/{{Scream 2}} the second movie]]'s script.
* In ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', no one was told about Darth Vader's revelation until just before shooting the scene. And by "no one", we mean Creator/JamesEarlJones (who initially thought it was a lie) and MarkHamill Creator/MarkHamill (who was pulled aside and told the truth, and also didn't believe it): Creator/GeorgeLucas wanted so badly for this to be a secret that the scene was filmed with David Prowse saying, "No, Obi-Wan killed your father!" Prowse was very upset after the premiere, and told director Irvin Kershner his body language would have been completely different if he'd known the truth. As a consequence, the overdubbing for the scene is rather terrible; it looks like Vader has palsy or something, because his gesturing for emphasis doesn't fit the overdubbed line ''at all'' while you can pretty clearly see that it would fit "No, Obi-Wan killed your father" perfectly.
* In the film ''Smile'', ''Film/{{Smile}}'', none of the actresses playing the pageant contestants were told who the winner was until the scene was being shot.
* In ''Film/TheShining'', Kubrick was able to film the whole movie without Danny Lloyd, the young actor playing Danny Torrance, being aware that he was in a horror film. Pretty amazing, considering the ever-darkening tone of the film and some of the horror scenes he is in.
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** In an [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/michael-emerson,27850/ interview with Michael Emerson]], Emerson confirms that the cast was ActingInTheDark. One assumes that getting answers like "I can't discuss that" happened early and often on the ''Lost'' set. Emerson's role in particular [[AscendedExtra grew from a random guest role]], who had only an initial three-episode contract, to a BreakoutVillain once his performance was approved by the producers.
** Terry O'Quinn was not informed that he was [[spoiler:no longer playing Locke]] in season 5 because he was meant to act consistently with what was known until the reveal.
* Parodied in the ''HancocksHalfHour'' TV episode "The Bowmans", where Hancock is a radio actor and is shocked when he gets a script that kills off his character. (He gets his own back in the end.)

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** In an [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/michael-emerson,27850/ interview with Michael Emerson]], Emerson confirms that the cast was ActingInTheDark.acting in the dark. One assumes that getting answers like "I can't discuss that" happened early and often on the ''Lost'' set. Emerson's role in particular [[AscendedExtra grew from a random guest role]], who had only an initial three-episode contract, to a BreakoutVillain once his performance was approved by the producers.
** Terry O'Quinn Creator/TerryOQuinn was not informed that he was [[spoiler:no longer playing Locke]] in season 5 because he was meant to act consistently with what was known until the reveal.
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* Parodied in the ''HancocksHalfHour'' ''Radio/HancocksHalfHour'' TV episode "The Bowmans", where Hancock is a radio actor and is shocked when he gets a script that kills off his character. (He gets his own back in the end.)



* ''Series/{{Justified}}'': During most of Season 1, the audience was wondering if redneck racist Boyd Crowther had really Found the Lord and become a (fairly nutty) backwoods preacher, or was just scamming everyone. It turns out Walton Goggins, who played Boyd, didn't know either. In this case the writers/producers did this to force him to play it ambiguously.

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* ''Series/{{Justified}}'': During most of Season 1, the audience was wondering if redneck racist Boyd Crowther had really Found the Lord and become a (fairly nutty) backwoods preacher, or was just scamming everyone. It turns out Walton Goggins, Creator/WaltonGoggins, who played Boyd, didn't know either. In this case the writers/producers did this to force him to play it ambiguously.



** Alex Kingston was the ''only'' person aside from Creator/StevenMoffat that knew the extent of River Song's arc and the events which occurred in it before the readthroughs. Creator/{{David Tennant}} had no idea what was going on and was forced to come up with own ideas as to who the Doctor believed River Song to be. He famously said he acted under the assumption that the Doctor believed River was an older, {{Gender Flip}}ped regeneration of his, because even though that made no sense, it was the most logical thing he could think of. Similarly, Matt Smith (Eleven), Karen Gillan (Amy), and Arthur Darvill (Rory) were completely unaware and were given the heads-up only when filming was about to happen for the scene in which River's identity was revealed in "A Good Man Goes To War".
* On ''Series/CurbYourEnthusiasm'', the actress Cheryl Hines is usually unaware of what the character Larry David has gotten himself into during an episode.
* ''Series/TwinPeaks''. David Lynch had planned out the identity of the killer of Laura Palmer long before the big reveal, but he didn't tell the actor until the time came to actually shoot said reveal.

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** Alex Kingston was the ''only'' person aside from Creator/StevenMoffat that knew the extent of River Song's arc and the events which occurred in it before the readthroughs. Creator/{{David Tennant}} Creator/DavidTennant had no idea what was going on and was forced to come up with own ideas as to who the Doctor believed River Song to be. He famously said he acted under the assumption that the Doctor believed River was an older, {{Gender Flip}}ped regeneration of his, because even though that made no sense, it was the most logical thing he could think of. Similarly, Matt Smith Creator/MattSmith (Eleven), Karen Gillan Creator/KarenGillan (Amy), and Arthur Darvill Creator/ArthurDarvill (Rory) were completely unaware and were given the heads-up only when filming was about to happen for the scene in which River's identity was revealed in "A "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar A Good Man Goes To War".War]]".
* On ''Series/CurbYourEnthusiasm'', the actress Cheryl Hines is usually unaware of what the character Larry David Creator/LarryDavid has gotten himself into during an episode.
* ''Series/TwinPeaks''. David Lynch Creator/DavidLynch had planned out the identity of the killer of Laura Palmer long before the big reveal, but he didn't tell the actor until the time came to actually shoot said reveal.



* In season six of ''Series/{{Dexter}}'', only Edward James Olmos knew that [[spoiler:his character Professor Gellar was DeadAllAlong and a delusion of his "student" Travis.]] Even the directors were kept in the dark, leading to a few instances where Olmos had to gently nudge them away from filming a scene in a way that the reveal wouldn't make sense.

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* In season six of ''Series/{{Dexter}}'', only Edward James Olmos Creator/EdwardJamesOlmos knew that [[spoiler:his character Professor Gellar was DeadAllAlong and a delusion of his "student" Travis.]] Travis]]. Even the directors were kept in the dark, leading to a few instances where Olmos had to gently nudge them away from filming a scene in a way that the reveal wouldn't make sense.



** The episode "Bad News" was scripted to end with Lily telling Marshall she was pregnant. However producers prepped Alyson Hannigan right before shooting [[spoiler:that Marshall's father had died]], while Jason Segel didn't know anything. His reaction is genuine.

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** The episode "Bad News" was scripted to end with Lily telling Marshall she was pregnant. However producers prepped Alyson Hannigan Creator/AlysonHannigan right before shooting [[spoiler:that Marshall's father had died]], while Jason Segel Creator/JasonSegel didn't know anything. His reaction is genuine.



* One notable example from ''Series/BreakingBad'': Bryan Cranston did not get the script for the finale of Season 4 until the preceding episodes had all been shot. He did not know that [[spoiler:Walter's argument to Jesse about Gus' responsibility for Brock's poisoning]] had been based on a lie -- and so Walt's performance in the penultimate episode was more convincing than usual.
* In the first season of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Brett Dalton (playing Ward) [[spoiler: was only told when it was necessary for him to know that Ward was a HYDRA mole]], and the rest of the cast kept in the dark slightly longer. Bill Paxton, on the other hand, was told right from the start that [[spoiler: Garrett was the Clairvoyant]] but none of the other cast were, allowing him the opportunity to play the LargeHam [[spoiler: BigBad pretending to be a good guy]] right from the start with the others in the dark.

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* One notable example from ''Series/BreakingBad'': Bryan Cranston Creator/BryanCranston did not get the script for the finale of Season 4 until the preceding episodes had all been shot. He did not know that [[spoiler:Walter's argument to Jesse about Gus' responsibility for Brock's poisoning]] had been based on a lie -- and so Walt's performance in the penultimate episode was more convincing than usual.
* In the first season of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Brett Dalton Creator/BrettDalton (playing Ward) [[spoiler: was only told when it was necessary for him to know that Ward was a HYDRA mole]], and the rest of the cast kept in the dark slightly longer. Bill Paxton, Creator/BillPaxton, on the other hand, was told right from the start that [[spoiler: Garrett was the Clairvoyant]] but none of the other cast were, allowing him the opportunity to play the LargeHam [[spoiler: BigBad pretending to be a good guy]] right from the start with the others in the dark.
26th Apr '16 5:53:31 PM MarkLungo
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For example, an actor in a SpyDrama receives scripts only an episode ahead as shooting proceeds. They are playing as a goodie and do not know why other characters are dying. Then another script comes along -- and they discover that they were [[TheMole evil all along]].

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For example, an actor in a SpyDrama receives scripts only an episode ahead as shooting proceeds. They are playing as a goodie and do not know why other characters are dying. Then another script comes along -- and they discover that they were [[TheMole evil all along]].
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': VicMignogna has told fans that he did this on purpose while filming so his reactions as Edward are genuine; for example, his shock at [[spoiler:arriving in our world]] in [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime version's]] penultimate episode. He did it again in ''Anime/CodeGeass''.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': VicMignogna Creator/VicMignogna has told fans that he did this on purpose while filming so his reactions as Edward are genuine; for example, his shock at [[spoiler:arriving in our world]] in [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime version's]] penultimate episode. He did it again in ''Anime/CodeGeass''.



* GenUrobuchi, writer of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', did not inform Creator/EmiriKatou, voice actress of Kyubey, show's mascot, of her character's [[BlueAndOrangeMorality true nature]] and kept character designer Creator/UmeAoki in the dark about show's dark storyline. He either wanted to make sure the viewer was fooled, in which case it was this trope, or he really wanted to see [[HeroicBSOD their faces]] once they found out, in which case he was just [[TrollingCreator trolling]].

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* GenUrobuchi, Creator/GenUrobuchi, writer of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', did not inform Creator/EmiriKatou, voice actress of Kyubey, show's mascot, of her character's [[BlueAndOrangeMorality true nature]] and kept character designer Creator/UmeAoki in the dark about the show's dark storyline. He either wanted to make sure the viewer was fooled, in which case it was this trope, or he really wanted to see [[HeroicBSOD their faces]] once they found out, in which case he was just [[TrollingCreator trolling]].



** The movie also provides a slight variant for George C. Scott: he was told to [[LargeHam ham it up]] for a "practice take" before the real takes. Guess which takes wound up in the actual movie. Scott was not happy, and vowed never to work with Kubrick again.
* ''Film/BenHur'': A hilarious and confusing example occurred in the epic. The film features a [[HoYay very deliberate subtext suggesting that the two main characters, Judah and Messala, were lovers in their youth.]] Stephen Boyd, who played Messala, was told about this dynamic between the two characters. Charlton Heston, who played Judah, was not told about the relationship for fear that he would freak out. This is a works with the characters pretty well: Messala comes across as someone trying to rekindle the relationship while Judah is uncomfortable because he'd prefer to forget it happened and doesn't want to be reminded of it.
* Inverted for the ''Film/HarryPotter'' movies. Creator/AlanRickman (Snape) was one of the few people in the world who Rowling told about the ending ahead of time so that he would know the true motivations behind his character. It has been suggested that Rickman only took the role because of this: rather ironically, he has an aversion to always being cast as the villain, so he needed to know that Snape had major sympathetic qualities for him to accept.

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** The movie also provides a slight variant for George C. Scott: Creator/GeorgeCScott: he was told to [[LargeHam ham it up]] for a "practice take" before the real takes. Guess which takes wound up in the actual movie. Scott was not happy, and vowed never to work with Kubrick Creator/StanleyKubrick again.
* ''Film/BenHur'': A hilarious and confusing example occurred in the epic. The film features a [[HoYay a very deliberate subtext HomoeroticSubtext suggesting that the two main characters, Judah and Messala, were lovers in their youth.]] youth. Stephen Boyd, who played Messala, was told about this dynamic between the two characters. Charlton Heston, Creator/CharltonHeston, who played Judah, was not told about the relationship for fear that he would freak out. FreakOut. This is a works with the characters pretty well: Messala comes across as someone trying to rekindle the relationship while Judah is uncomfortable because he'd prefer to forget it happened and doesn't want to be reminded of it.
* Inverted for the ''Film/HarryPotter'' movies. Creator/AlanRickman (Snape) was one of the few people in the world who Rowling Creator/JKRowling told about the ending ahead of time so that he would know the true motivations behind his character. It has been suggested that Rickman only took the role because of this: rather ironically, he has had an aversion to always being cast as the villain, so he needed to know that Snape had major sympathetic qualities for him to accept.



** One such example is in the "Frontierland" section of Disneyland, which plays "cowboy" music as background music. The ''Film/BlazingSaddles'' theme is part of the rotation.

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** One such example is in the "Frontierland" section of Disneyland, which plays "cowboy" music as background music. The ''Film/BlazingSaddles'' ''Blazing Saddles'' theme is part of the rotation.
19th Mar '16 3:47:00 PM Morgenthaler
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* TwinPeaks. DavidLynch had planned out the identity of the killer of Laura Palmer long before the big reveal, but he didn't tell the actor until the time came to actually shoot said reveal.

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* TwinPeaks. DavidLynch ''Series/TwinPeaks''. David Lynch had planned out the identity of the killer of Laura Palmer long before the big reveal, but he didn't tell the actor until the time came to actually shoot said reveal.
9th Mar '16 1:53:29 PM Hossmeister
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* On ''CurbYourEnthusiasm'', the actress Cheryl Hines is usually unaware of what the character Larry David has gotten himself into during an episode.

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* On ''CurbYourEnthusiasm'', ''Series/CurbYourEnthusiasm'', the actress Cheryl Hines is usually unaware of what the character Larry David has gotten himself into during an episode.
15th Jan '16 10:47:45 AM thatother1dude
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* ''Film/BenHur'': A hilarious and confusing example occurred in the epic. The film features a [[HoYay very deliberate subtext suggesting that the two main characters, Judah and Messala, were lovers in their youth.]] Stephen Boyd, who played Messala, was told about this dynamic between the two characters. Charlton Heston, who played Judah, was not told about the relationship for fear that he would freak out.
** Which is a brilliant example (and mentioned in) EnforcedMethodActing: Messala comes across as someone trying to rekindle the relationship while Judah is uncomfortable because he'd prefer to forget it happened and doesn't want to be reminded of it.

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* ''Film/BenHur'': A hilarious and confusing example occurred in the epic. The film features a [[HoYay very deliberate subtext suggesting that the two main characters, Judah and Messala, were lovers in their youth.]] Stephen Boyd, who played Messala, was told about this dynamic between the two characters. Charlton Heston, who played Judah, was not told about the relationship for fear that he would freak out.
** Which
out. This is a brilliant example (and mentioned in) EnforcedMethodActing: works with the characters pretty well: Messala comes across as someone trying to rekindle the relationship while Judah is uncomfortable because he'd prefer to forget it happened and doesn't want to be reminded of it.
15th Jan '16 10:46:25 AM thatother1dude
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* In ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', no one was told about Darth Vader's revelation until just before shooting the scene. And by "no one", we mean Creator/JamesEarlJones (who initially thought it was a lie) and MarkHamill (who was pulled aside and told the truth, and also didn't believe it): GeorgeLucas wanted so badly for this to be a secret that the scene was filmed with David Prowse saying, "No, Obi-Wan killed your father!"
** Prowse was very upset after the premiere, and told director Irvin Kershner his body language would have been completely different if he'd known the truth. As a consequence, the overdubbing for the scene is rather terrible; it looks like Vader has palsy or something, because his gesturing for emphasis doesn't fit the overdubbed line ''at all'' while you can pretty clearly see that it would fit "No, Obi-Wan killed your father" perfectly.

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* In ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', no one was told about Darth Vader's revelation until just before shooting the scene. And by "no one", we mean Creator/JamesEarlJones (who initially thought it was a lie) and MarkHamill (who was pulled aside and told the truth, and also didn't believe it): GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas wanted so badly for this to be a secret that the scene was filmed with David Prowse saying, "No, Obi-Wan killed your father!"
**
father!" Prowse was very upset after the premiere, and told director Irvin Kershner his body language would have been completely different if he'd known the truth. As a consequence, the overdubbing for the scene is rather terrible; it looks like Vader has palsy or something, because his gesturing for emphasis doesn't fit the overdubbed line ''at all'' while you can pretty clearly see that it would fit "No, Obi-Wan killed your father" perfectly.
24th Dec '15 10:44:14 AM thatother1dude
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** The show is structured as a {{Flashback}} as a father telling an amazing story to his kids about a complicated series of events that surround how he met their mother. The creators were adamant that the last episode would be the official meeting, but had to adjust their writing plans because they never really knew how long the show would go on. As a result none of the actors really knew what was going to happen from one episode to the next and Josh Radnor, who plays the younger version of Ted the narrator, commented that having Creator/BobSaget voice his future self helped him focus on playing the character in the moment rather than playing both sides.

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** The show is structured as a {{Flashback}} as a father episode "Bad News" was scripted to end with Lily telling an amazing story to his kids about a complicated series of events that surround how he met their mother. The creators were adamant that the last episode would be the official meeting, but Marshall she was pregnant. However producers prepped Alyson Hannigan right before shooting [[spoiler:that Marshall's father had to adjust their writing plans because they never really knew how long the show would go on. As a result none of the actors really knew what was going to happen from one episode to the next and Josh Radnor, who plays the younger version of Ted the narrator, commented that having Creator/BobSaget voice his future self helped him focus on playing the character in the moment rather than playing both sides.died]], while Jason Segel didn't know anything. His reaction is genuine.



** Cristin Millioti also had no idea [[spoiler: her character was actually DeadAllAlong]]. She burst into tears when she found out.
** Earlier the episode "Bad News" was scripted to end with Lily telling Marshall she was pregnant. However producers prepped Alyson Hannigan right before shooting [[spoiler: that Marshall's father had died]], while Jason Segel didn't know anything. His reaction is genuine.

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** Cristin Millioti also had no idea [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her character was actually DeadAllAlong]]. She burst into tears when she found out.
** Earlier the episode "Bad News" was scripted to end with Lily telling Marshall she was pregnant. However producers prepped Alyson Hannigan right before shooting [[spoiler: that Marshall's father had died]], while Jason Segel didn't know anything. His reaction is genuine.
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24th Dec '15 10:43:11 AM thatother1dude
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Compare EnforcedMethodActing and WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants.

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Compare EnforcedMethodActing and WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants.EnforcedMethodActing. Not to be confused with WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants, where ''no one'' knows about future plot developments because they haven't been decided yet.



* Similarly, on ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'', Harry Lennix wasn't told that [[spoiler: he was the Big Bad]] until the middle of the second season. Largely because ''Joss himself'' didn't decide on the twist until shortly before that, which he's admitted makes some of the character's earlier actions utter nonsense, but he had to provide closure somehow after the show was cancelled.



* ''Series/{{Justified}}'': During most of Season 1, the audience was wondering if redneck racist Boyd Crowther had really Found the Lord and become a (fairly nutty) backwoods preacher, or was just scamming everyone. It turns out Walton Goggins, who played Boyd, didn't know either. In this case the writers/producers did this to force him to play it ambigiously.

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* ''Series/{{Justified}}'': During most of Season 1, the audience was wondering if redneck racist Boyd Crowther had really Found the Lord and become a (fairly nutty) backwoods preacher, or was just scamming everyone. It turns out Walton Goggins, who played Boyd, didn't know either. In this case the writers/producers did this to force him to play it ambigiously.ambiguously.
22nd Dec '15 10:02:46 AM Pren
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* Similarly, on ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'', Harry Lennix wasn't told that [[spoiler: he was the Big Bad]] until the middle of the second season.

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* Similarly, on ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'', Harry Lennix wasn't told that [[spoiler: he was the Big Bad]] until the middle of the second season. Largely because ''Joss himself'' didn't decide on the twist until shortly before that, which he's admitted makes some of the character's earlier actions utter nonsense, but he had to provide closure somehow after the show was cancelled.
16th Dec '15 2:17:36 AM fearlessnikki
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* In ''Film/VeraDrake'' only Imelda Staunton knew ahead of time what the real plot of the film was. It wasn't until the actors playing the police knocked on the door of the rehearsal house that the rest of the cast found out [[spoiler: Vera was performing illegal backstreet abortions]].


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** Earlier the episode "Bad News" was scripted to end with Lily telling Marshall she was pregnant. However producers prepped Alyson Hannigan right before shooting [[spoiler: that Marshall's father had died]], while Jason Segel didn't know anything. His reaction is genuine.
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