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17th Nov '17 7:04:02 AM Mhazard
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An unscrupulous cousin to ThePerryMasonMethod. Also related to {{Frameup}}, though this is more spur-of-the-moment (and is often an attempt at specifically FramingTheGuiltyParty). If a witness does this to ''him/herself'', it's a case of TakingTheHeat. If the accuser turns out to be right by complete accident, it may overlap with AccidentalTruth and RightForTheWrongReason.

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An unscrupulous cousin to ThePerryMasonMethod. Also related to {{Frameup}}, though this is more spur-of-the-moment (and is often an attempt at specifically FramingTheGuiltyParty). If a witness does this to ''him/herself'', it's a case of TakingTheHeat. If the accuser turns out to be right by complete accident, it may overlap with AccidentalTruth and RightForTheWrongReason.RightForTheWrongReasons.
17th Nov '17 7:03:42 AM Mhazard
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An unscrupulous cousin to ThePerryMasonMethod. Also related to {{Frameup}}, though this is more spur-of-the-moment (and is often an attempt at specifically FramingTheGuiltyParty). If a witness does this to ''him/herself'', it's a case of TakingTheHeat.

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An unscrupulous cousin to ThePerryMasonMethod. Also related to {{Frameup}}, though this is more spur-of-the-moment (and is often an attempt at specifically FramingTheGuiltyParty). If a witness does this to ''him/herself'', it's a case of TakingTheHeat. If the accuser turns out to be right by complete accident, it may overlap with AccidentalTruth and RightForTheWrongReason.
7th Nov '17 10:07:14 AM Luigifan
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A CourtroomAntic which involves accusing an unlikely or controversial witness of being the perpetrator of the crime--particularly the accused's spouse or other close family member. Whether or not this accusation is true is immaterial. The point is to cloud the issue and raise reasonable doubt.

An unscrupulous cousin to ThePerryMasonMethod.

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A CourtroomAntic which involves accusing an unlikely or controversial witness of being the perpetrator of the crime--particularly crime -- particularly the accused's spouse or other close family member. Whether or not this accusation is true is immaterial. The point is to cloud the issue and raise reasonable doubt.

An unscrupulous cousin to ThePerryMasonMethod. Also related to {{Frameup}}, though this is more spur-of-the-moment (and is often an attempt at specifically FramingTheGuiltyParty). If a witness does this to ''him/herself'', it's a case of TakingTheHeat.



* A similar thing happens in ''WebAnimation/PhoenixWrightDevilsAttorney'' as well, although it isn't as heavy on the TearJerker part. Mostly because the witness is capable of looking after herself and understands why Phoenix had to do it, the new laws in the Netherworld of 'guilty until someone else is proven guilty' forcing him to do this to extend the trial less Laharl would convicted on the first day. However, [[spoiler: she]] did say it stung a little, and Laharl is none too happy about it either.

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* A similar thing happens in ''WebAnimation/PhoenixWrightDevilsAttorney'' as well, although it isn't as heavy on the TearJerker part. Mostly because the witness is capable of looking after herself and understands why Phoenix had to do it, it; the new laws in the Netherworld of 'guilty until someone else is proven guilty' forcing him to do this to extend the trial less trial, lest Laharl would be convicted on the first day. However, [[spoiler: she]] [[spoiler:she]] did say it stung a little, and Laharl is none too happy about it either.



* In the climactic trial scene of ''Film/NewJackCity'', Nino Brown stands up and dramatically accuses one of his lieutenants of being the real head of the gang, Cash Money Brothers. This works and he gets a ludicrously small sentence in exchange for testimony - despite every piece of evidence, including eyewitness testimony from an undercover cop - saying Nino was the boss. Or at least, [[KarmicDeath it worked for a few minutes]]. (As a side note, the real-life drug lord Nino Brown was modeled on tried the exact same stunt and failed)

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* In the climactic trial scene of ''Film/NewJackCity'', Nino Brown stands up and dramatically accuses one of his lieutenants of being the real head of the gang, Cash Money Brothers. This works and he gets a ludicrously small sentence in exchange for testimony - -- despite every piece of evidence, including eyewitness testimony from an undercover cop - -- saying Nino was the boss. Or at least, [[KarmicDeath it worked for a few minutes]]. (As a side note, the real-life drug lord Nino Brown was modeled on tried the exact same stunt and failed)



** In one episode, Eugene and Bobby try this in a murder trial, and Bobby gets chewed out over it by ''Series/{{Ally McBeal}}'' herself, who asks him whether he really believes that the witness did it (Bobby doesn't). It takes a very strange turn when the guy they accuse [[spoiler: commits suicide]]. Then it turns out that [[spoiler: Bobby's theory was entirely correct]].

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** In one episode, Eugene and Bobby try this in a murder trial, and Bobby gets chewed out over it by ''Series/{{Ally McBeal}}'' herself, who asks him whether he really believes that the witness did it (Bobby doesn't). It takes a very strange turn when the guy they accuse [[spoiler: commits suicide]]. Then it turns out that [[spoiler: Bobby's [[spoiler:Bobby's theory was entirely correct]].
13th Jun '17 9:28:00 AM Gosicrystal
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* Done often in cases in ''Franchise/AceAttorney''. Overlaps with ThePerryMasonMethod in that in a lot of cases the witness [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney Phoenix]] or [[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo]] accuses ''is'' the real killer (or an accomplice, or tampered with the crime scene, or is withholding crucial testimony), but there's also a lot of subverts.
** In the third case of the first game, Phoenix actually ''does'' intentionally accuse a completely innocent party purely to buy another day of investigation. In the process, she reveals that Global Studios Executives [[spoiler:which includes the real killer]] were at the studios that day, purely to save herself, and this enables Phoenix to get closer to uncovering the truth. Given that the innocent party in that case was [[spoiler:Windy...er, Wendy Oldbag]], that example was kind of funny.
** A distinctly [[PlayedForDrama less amusing]] instance comes in the fourth case of the second game, where you are [[ButThouMust forced]] to accuse [[spoiler:Adrian Andrews]], who by this point is [[TheWoobie woobie-tastic]], just to buy time. [[spoiler:This also ends up backfiring spectacularly as not only does she clear her own name during the cross-examination but manages to extend the trial and inadvertently cause Phoenix to break his agreement with a kidnapper]].
** It gets pretty confusing by case 5 of game 3, where Phoenix doesn't even know who to accuse, and in the end [[spoiler: isn't even sure what crime has been committed (homicide or justifiable self-defense). For fully three days, he doesn't accuse ''anyone''.]]
** Accusing the witness? Phoenix can do better than that! He goes as far as accusing the prosecutors. And at one point in the second game you have an option to select which strongly implies that ''the Judge'' is the guilty party. The Judge goes nuts. [[spoiler: The two accused prosecutors in the original trilogy, however, are indeed guilty]].
** Actually, presenting profiles as evidence makes it possible for you to accuse almost anyone at certain points in the game, if openly asked who the culprit is. Don't like Franziska? Go for it! Hate children? Accuse Pearls! Heck, you have Phoenix's own profile in your possession in come cases.

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* Done often in cases in ''Franchise/AceAttorney''. Overlaps with ThePerryMasonMethod in that in a lot of cases the witness [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney Phoenix]] or [[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo]] accuses ''is'' the real killer (or an accomplice, or tampered with the crime scene, or is withholding crucial testimony), but there's also a lot of subverts.
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** In the third case of the first game, Phoenix actually ''does'' intentionally accuse a completely innocent party purely to buy another day of investigation. In the process, she reveals that Global Studios Executives [[spoiler:which [[spoiler:(which includes the real killer]] killer)]] were at the studios that day, purely to save herself, and this enables Phoenix to get closer to uncovering the truth. Given that the innocent party in that case was [[spoiler:Windy...er, Wendy Oldbag]], that example was kind of funny.
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** A distinctly [[PlayedForDrama less amusing]] instance comes PlayedForDrama in the fourth case of the second game, where you are [[ButThouMust forced]] to accuse [[spoiler:Adrian Andrews]], who by this point is [[TheWoobie woobie-tastic]], Andrews]] just to buy time. [[spoiler:This also ends up backfiring spectacularly as not only does she clear her own name during the cross-examination but manages to extend the trial and inadvertently cause Phoenix to break his agreement with a kidnapper]].
** It gets pretty confusing by case 5 of game 3, where Phoenix doesn't even know who to accuse, and in the end [[spoiler: isn't even sure what crime has been committed (homicide or justifiable self-defense). For fully three days, he doesn't accuse ''anyone''.
kidnapper.]]
** In case 5 of game 3, Phoenix doesn't even know who to accuse, and in the end [[spoiler:isn't even sure what crime has been committed (homicide or justifiable self-defense). For fully three days, he doesn't accuse ''anyone'']].
** Accusing the witness? Phoenix can do better than that! He goes as far as accusing the prosecutors. And at one point in the second game you have an option to select which strongly implies that ''the Judge'' is the guilty party. The Judge goes nuts. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The two accused prosecutors in the original trilogy, however, are indeed guilty]].
** Actually, presenting Presenting profiles as evidence makes it possible for you to accuse almost anyone at certain points in the game, if openly asked who the culprit is. Don't like Franziska? Go for it! Hate children? Accuse Pearls! Heck, you have Phoenix's own profile in your possession in come some cases.



** Used in the last case of ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'' (where it's technically a police investigation rather than a court trial but the procedure is identical) by Shi-Long Lang on [[spoiler: Franziska von Karma.]] His reasoning is that [[spoiler: there is no reason. He knows she's innocent and he knows Edgeworth will easily prove her innocent, but in order to prove it Alba would have to let them back into the embassy to investigate--which is where they wanted to be in the first place.]]
** In the first case of ''Apollo Justice'' you go through the usual procedure of accusing the witness and even make her break down. [[spoiler:But that isn't the end, because she didn't actually do it, you simply caught her in a lie about her role at the club where the crime takes place]]. It also features an inversion where [[spoiler:the defendant and witness, Phoenix himself, accuses a member of his own defense for the crime]].

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** Used in the last case of ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'' (where it's technically a police investigation rather than a court trial but the procedure is identical) by Shi-Long Lang on [[spoiler: Franziska [[spoiler:Franziska von Karma.]] Karma]]. His reasoning is that [[spoiler: there [[spoiler:there is no reason. He knows she's innocent and he knows Edgeworth will easily prove her innocent, but in order to prove it Alba would have to let them back into the embassy to investigate--which is where they wanted to be in the first place.]]
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** In the first case of ''Apollo Justice'' you go through the usual procedure of accusing the witness and even make her break down. [[spoiler:But that isn't the end, because she didn't actually do it, you simply caught her in a lie about her role at the club where the crime takes place]]. place.]] It also features an inversion where [[spoiler:the defendant and witness, Phoenix himself, accuses a member of his own defense for the crime]].
14th Apr '17 4:07:35 AM eroock
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12th Apr '17 3:32:57 AM jormis29
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* Sort of referenced in ''Series/TheDefenders'', where Nick knows that his client's alibi witness is the real killer, but can't tell anyone. He says that the jury never buys "the other guy did it", even when the other guy ''did'' do it.[[spoiler: And this is enough for the real killer to confess to Nick, knowing he would just lie on the stand if asked. Then Nick pulls out a tape recorder.]]

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* Sort of referenced in ''Series/TheDefenders'', ''Series/{{The Defenders|2010}}'', where Nick knows that his client's alibi witness is the real killer, but can't tell anyone. He says that the jury never buys "the other guy did it", even when the other guy ''did'' do it.[[spoiler: And this is enough for the real killer to confess to Nick, knowing he would just lie on the stand if asked. Then Nick pulls out a tape recorder.]]
29th Jan '17 12:38:01 PM SoapheadChurch
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* OlderThanFeudalism: [[Creator/MarcusTulliusCicero Cicero]] is known to have employed this tactic in his famous judicial speeches, most notably in the very first case of his career when he defended Sextus Roscius against the charge of patricide. He was a lot more direct about how he went about this than most later examples, largely due to how lax Roman trial procedure was back then.
26th Dec '16 4:32:08 PM Drope
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** In the first case of ''Apollo Justice'' you go through the usual procedure of accusing the witness and even make her break down. [[spoiler:But that isn't the end, because she didn't actually do it, you simply caught her in a lie about her role at the club where the crime takes place. The real culprit doesn't get accused until he's called to the stand to make a special testimony]].

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** In the first case of ''Apollo Justice'' you go through the usual procedure of accusing the witness and even make her break down. [[spoiler:But that isn't the end, because she didn't actually do it, you simply caught her in a lie about her role at the club where the crime takes place. The real culprit doesn't get accused until he's called to place]]. It also features an inversion where [[spoiler:the defendant and witness, Phoenix himself, accuses a member of his own defense for the stand to make a special testimony]].crime]].
18th Oct '16 5:32:07 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* The whole point of the court martial in ''Literature/TheCaineMutany''. Greenspan unrelentingly cross-examines Queeg this way, eventually calling him as a hostile witness for the defense, accusing him of several illegal and immoral acts in order to portray him as incompetent and unfit for command. The prosecutor eventually realizes that Greenspan has turned the whole thing into a trial where the defense is prosecuting a witness. (And it ''works''.)

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* The whole point of the court martial in ''Literature/TheCaineMutany''.''Literature/TheCaineMutiny''. Greenspan unrelentingly cross-examines Queeg this way, eventually calling him as a hostile witness for the defense, accusing him of several illegal and immoral acts in order to portray him as incompetent and unfit for command. The prosecutor eventually realizes that Greenspan has turned the whole thing into a trial where the defense is prosecuting a witness. (And it ''works''.)
18th Oct '16 5:31:40 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* The whole point of the court martial in ''Literature/TheCaineMutany''. Greenspan unrelentingly cross-examines Queeg this way, eventually calling him as a hostile witness for the defense, accusing him of several illegal and immoral acts in order to portray him as incompetent and unfit for command. The prosecutor eventually realizes that Greenspan has turned the whole thing into a trial where the defense is prosecuting a witness. (And it ''works''.)
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