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18th Feb '17 7:12:06 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Though labeled an "evil" character ("dark" is more apt), ''Franchise/StreetFighter'''s Akuma does not believe there is any merit in tagging one's self as 'good' or 'evil'. His ultimate goal is simply to be the most perfect example of a warrior, and that means anyone who has the might to stand against him will not be spared his full power, regardless of where they are morally.

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* Though labeled an "evil" character ("dark" is more apt), (he does have his own [[BlueAndOrangeMorality strange sense of morality), ''Franchise/StreetFighter'''s Akuma does not believe there is any merit in tagging one's self as 'good' or 'evil'. His ultimate goal is simply to be the most perfect example of a warrior, and that means anyone who has the might to stand against him will not be spared his full power, regardless of where they are morally.
9th Feb '17 12:24:01 PM intastiel
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* [[spoiler:Sebastian]] of ''Webcomic/TrueVillains'' has reached this point in his development from one side of morality to the other.

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* [[spoiler:Sebastian]] of ''Webcomic/TrueVillains'' has reached In ''Webcomic/TrueVillains'':
** Sebastian comes to adopt
this point in his development mindset after switching from one side NominalHero to VillainProtagonist.
** The Gods each embody an ideal -- Stability, Knowledge, Fear, Silly Antics, and so on -- and show no interest in matters
of morality to good or evil. The God of Progress sponsors both ThePaladin, a renowned hero, and [[spoiler:Malanor, the other. [[MonsterProgenitor First Vampire]], whose [[TheNecrocracy Necrocracy]] overran most of the world in a reign of darkness]].
9th Feb '17 4:58:34 AM SteveMB
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Associated with TheUbermensch and the StrawNihilist, along with any other things Nietzsche-related. Other people who can claim this trope include particularly megalomaniacal [[{{Narcissist}} narcissists]] with [[AGodAmI delusions of godhood]], [[TheSociopath sociopaths]], [[ForScience scientists who do not let moral-societal opinions interfere with their quest for empirical knowledge]], [[BewareTheSuperman superpowerful beings who consider themselves above the moral concerns of normals]], or just someone with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Can be a sign of an EldritchAbomination and such creatures beyond standard human morality, thus very common in a CosmicHorrorStory and narratives where NatureIsNotNice.

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Associated with TheUbermensch and the StrawNihilist, along with any other things Nietzsche-related. Other people who can claim this trope include particularly megalomaniacal [[{{Narcissist}} narcissists]] with [[AGodAmI delusions of godhood]], [[TheSociopath sociopaths]], [[ForScience scientists who do not let moral-societal opinions interfere with their quest for empirical knowledge]], [[BewareTheSuperman superpowerful beings who consider themselves above the moral concerns of normals]], corrupted by power]], or just someone with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Can be a sign of an EldritchAbomination and such creatures beyond standard human morality, thus very common in a CosmicHorrorStory and narratives where NatureIsNotNice.
9th Feb '17 4:56:37 AM SteveMB
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Associated with TheUbermensch and the StrawNihilist, along with any other things Nietzsche-related. Other people who can claim this trope include particularly megalomaniacal [[{{Narcissist}} narcissists]] with [[AGodAmI delusions of godhood]], [[TheSociopath sociopaths]], [[ForScience scientists who do not let moral-societal opinions interfere with their quest for empirical knowledge]], or just someone with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Can be a sign of an EldritchAbomination and such creatures beyond standard human morality, thus very common in a CosmicHorrorStory and narratives where NatureIsNotNice.

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Associated with TheUbermensch and the StrawNihilist, along with any other things Nietzsche-related. Other people who can claim this trope include particularly megalomaniacal [[{{Narcissist}} narcissists]] with [[AGodAmI delusions of godhood]], [[TheSociopath sociopaths]], [[ForScience scientists who do not let moral-societal opinions interfere with their quest for empirical knowledge]], [[BewareTheSuperman superpowerful beings who consider themselves above the moral concerns of normals]], or just someone with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Can be a sign of an EldritchAbomination and such creatures beyond standard human morality, thus very common in a CosmicHorrorStory and narratives where NatureIsNotNice.
21st Jan '17 6:44:31 PM MiddleEighth
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*Although in ''Fanfic/WithStringsAttached'' we already knew that the concepts of “good” and “evil” did not exist among Baravadans, their attitude is codified in ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' when the four enter Natives Quarter to interview the skahs about what happened over the last six years on C'hou:
-->Q: How do you feel knowing there are good and evil in the world now?
-->A: Those are meaningless outworlder words. Sometimes the outworlders tell us we're being good or evil when we do certain things. Who cares? We don't listen when they say those stupid things.
26th Dec '16 8:21:01 PM PaulA
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* In ''Film/FlashGordon'', the Emperor Ming toys with Earth to see if anyone there is smart enough to recognize that what is happening isn't natural. If they think it's natural, he deems them too primitive. If they determine that it is artificial, Ming decrees them a threat and destroys them. When asked why by Dr. Zarkhov, Ming simply replies, "Why not?"

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* In ''Film/FlashGordon'', ''Film/{{Flash Gordon|1980}}'', the Emperor Ming toys with Earth to see if anyone there is smart enough to recognize that what is happening isn't natural. If they think it's natural, he deems them too primitive. If they determine that it is artificial, Ming decrees them a threat and destroys them. When asked why by Dr. Zarkhov, Ming simply replies, "Why not?"
10th Dec '16 2:10:05 AM Tron80
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* Several Christian philosophers, most prominently C.S. Lewis, invert this trope and speak of people being below good and evil of certain kinds, because they lack the ability to go right and therefore cannot go wrong either. As Lewis puts it (somewhat paraphrased) "It is not the ordinary selfish man that one makes an Inquisitor or a Hitler from, but the great saint or the great patriot."

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* Several Christian philosophers, most prominently C.S. Lewis, Creator/CSLewis, invert this trope and speak of people being below good and evil of certain kinds, because they lack the ability to go right and therefore cannot go wrong either. As Lewis puts it (somewhat paraphrased) "It is not the ordinary selfish man that one makes an Inquisitor or a Hitler from, but the great saint or the great patriot."
10th Dec '16 2:04:49 AM Tron80
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* In ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl 1982}} Volume 2]]'' Barry Metzner -one of the teachers of the titular heroine- undergoes an experiment which transforms him into a mutated creature with great PsychicPowers but utterly devoid of humanity or compassion. He declares several times he is above of human laws and concepts of good and evil: " I am above such judgments as good, as evil! I am the judge! I am the ideal!"
-->'''Barry:''' Do not think me included in your laws, Supergirl — for I shall henceforth decide upon right and wrong! I am a law unto myself... and you shall all follow my commands... or suffer for your disobedience!
4th Nov '16 2:47:48 AM kirara19
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* Huey Laforet from ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' is this trope via his several hundred year ForScience ambition. Everyone and everything in this world, including his own daughter, is nothing more than components of a grand experiment- ethics be damned. Even amongst his peers he is considered the creepiest of the lot. Go look at the show's and character entries to see [[FridgeHorror just what that means.]]

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* Huey Laforet from ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' is this trope via his several hundred year ForScience ambition. Everyone and everything in this world, including his own daughter, is nothing more than components of a grand experiment- ethics be damned. Even amongst his peers he is considered the creepiest of the lot. Go look at the show's and character entries to see [[FridgeHorror just what that means.]]
1st Nov '16 7:08:24 PM WillKeaton
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* Wan Shi Tong, the knowledge spirit from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' lands on the TrueNeutral [[TechnicalPacifist (technical) pacifist]] side. He didn't care that the Gaang was looking for knowledge to stop the Fire Nation from destroying the world. To him, one war was the same as the other and the sides and reasons didn't matter. All that mattered to him was collecting knowledge and keeping that knowledge from falling into the "wrong" hands (read: anyone who actually wanted to ''use'' said knowledge). He went so far as trying to trap them in the hidden library once he discovered Sokka trying to smuggle out info on when the Day of the Black Sun would occur.\\
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The Gaang tried to argue with him based on their having good intentions and a desire only to protect people. Not gonna work on someone like this. They should have tried to argue that he has a responsibility for the damage already done by those who have used his knowledge. By allowing some people to access his library, Wan Shi Tong is at least partially responsible for how that knowledge was used (ie almost destroying the entire balance of the world). An argument along those lines might have swayed him to help them or even just let them leave before sinking the library.

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* Wan Shi Tong, the knowledge spirit from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' lands on the TrueNeutral [[TechnicalPacifist (technical) pacifist]] side. He didn't care that the Gaang was looking for knowledge to stop the Fire Nation from destroying the world. To him, one war was the same as the other and the sides and reasons didn't matter. All that mattered to him was collecting knowledge and keeping that knowledge from falling into the "wrong" hands (read: anyone who actually wanted to ''use'' said knowledge). He went so far as trying to trap them in the hidden library once he discovered Sokka trying to smuggle out info on when the Day of the Black Sun would occur.\\
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The Gaang tried to argue with him based on their having good intentions and a desire only to protect people. Not gonna work on someone like this. They should have tried to argue that he has a responsibility for the damage already done by those who have used his knowledge. By allowing some people to access his library, Wan Shi Tong is at least partially responsible for how that knowledge was used (ie almost destroying the entire balance of the world). An argument along those lines might have swayed him to help them or even just let them leave before sinking the library.
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