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22nd Sep '17 10:58:07 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', most of the various forms of deity qualify. While the mortals of Tamriel often regard the Divines as outright "Good" and some of the Daedric Princes (Azura, Meridia) as well, scholars both in-universe and out among the fandom argue that the deities follow BlueAndOrangeMorality above mortal understanding, with none wholly good or evil. The "Good" ones only seem that way because what they seek to accomplish is generally beneficial or benevolent toward mortals, while the "Evil" ones are more likely to harm mortals with their actions. For instance, Mehrunes Dagon is the Daedric Prince of Destruction, but is no more "evil" than a tidal wave or an earthquake.

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', most ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
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of the various forms of deity qualify. While the mortals of Tamriel often regard the Divines as outright "Good" and some of the Daedric Princes (Azura, Meridia) as well, scholars both in-universe and out among the fandom argue that the deities follow BlueAndOrangeMorality above mortal understanding, with none wholly good or evil. The "Good" ones only seem that way because what they seek to accomplish is generally beneficial or benevolent toward mortals, while the "Evil" ones are more likely to harm mortals with their actions. For instance, Mehrunes Dagon is the Daedric Prince of Destruction, but is no more "evil" than a tidal wave or an earthquake.
** The Morag Tong, a legal [[MurderInc assassin's guild]] of {{Professional Killer}}s in Morrowind, consider themselves to be this, as does the [[OurElvesAreBetter Dunmeri]] government which sanctioned them. The Tong has a set of strict rules and a code of honor in terms of performing executions, maintaining a policy of impartiality. They were sanctioned as an alternative to the destructive {{Allowed Internal War}}s of the [[TheClan Great Houses]], which weaken the Dunmer overall.
7th Aug '17 3:41:45 PM VulgarBee
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* The Straw Hat Pirates from ''Manga/OnePiece''. For most of them, labels of "good" and "evil" generally don't matter. It's evident right from the beginning of the series, although various crew members took some time to get used to the label of "pirate".
-->'''Zoro''': Pirates are scum! Who would want to be one?
-->'''Luffy''': Does it matter? You're known as an evil pirate hunter.
4th Aug '17 5:23:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ComicBook/XMen'' foe ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} thinks morality is beneath him, instead regarding himself essentially as [[TheSocialDarwinist "evolution incarnate"]]. When ComicBook/{{Loki}} tried to organize a massive VillainTeamUp in the ''Acts of Vengeance'' crossover, he rejected membership outright since he didn't see himself as a supervillain.
12th Jul '17 6:01:24 AM KaitoKid
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* Blog/{{ReadySetThink}} mentions how the Universe doesn't care abou pettyt human conflicts, and about morality as a whole

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* Blog/{{ReadySetThink}} ''Blog/{{ReadySetThink}}'' mentions how the Universe doesn't care abou pettyt human conflicts, and about morality as a whole
12th Jul '17 6:00:39 AM KaitoKid
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* Blog/{{ReadySetThink}} mentions how the Universe doesn't care abou pettyt human conflicts, and about morality as a whole
-->The universe doesn't care how many people you have killed (except if you believe in supernaturally enforced Karma I guess), so you getting arrested or killed shouldn't be objectively better than anyone else.

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9th Jul '17 11:45:55 PM WaterBlap
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* UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}}'s ''Literature/BhagavadGita'' says that all good and evil is part of a great game going on within the being of one greater deity.
* In some interpretations of UsefulNotes/{{Buddhism}}, Good and Evil are among the illusions with which we wrestle, both distracting us from following the Middle Path and achieving Nirvana. However, since [[{{Karma}} what comes around goes around]], it is beneficial to be a nice person.
* Some strains of UsefulNotes/{{Deism}}, UsefulNotes/{{Pantheism}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Pandeism}} believe that our universe is a sort of experiment in generating all sorts of experiences, including good and evil ones.
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* A variety of real life religions or theological traditions are built on this sort of spiritual power, including:
** UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}} -- In the ''Literature/BhagavadGita'', all good and evil is part of a great game going on within the being of one greater deity.
** In some interpretations of UsefulNotes/{{Buddhism}} -- Good and Evil are among the illusions with which we wrestle, both distracting us from following the Middle Path and achieving Nirvana. However, since [[{{Karma}} what comes around goes around]], it is beneficial to be a nice person.
** Some strains of UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} and UsefulNotes/{{Pantheism}}, especially including UsefulNotes/{{Pandeism}} (where our Universe is a sort of experiment in generating all sorts of experiences).
3rd Jun '17 2:44:55 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': King Kai describes Beerus, the God of Destruction, in these terms. When he tells Goku that Beerus tends to blow up a lot of planets, Goku immediately assumes that Beerus is a bad guy. King Kai responds that Goku's thinking about it the wrong way: Beerus's "job" and the whole reason for his existence is to destroy things, and his destruction of things is necessary for the upholding of cosmic balance across the universe. That said, Beerus's problem is the fact that [[BrilliantButLazy he spends most of the time he should be working sleeping]] and when he's awake his ''reasons'' for destroying planets are more often than not [[EvilIsPetty for petty or spiteful reasons]] (like because someone didn't give him good enough food).

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* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': King Kai describes Beerus, the God of Destruction, in these terms. When he tells Goku that Beerus tends to blow up a lot of planets, Goku immediately assumes that Beerus is a bad guy. King Kai responds that Goku's thinking about it the wrong way: Beerus's "job" and the whole reason for his existence is to destroy things, and his destruction of things is necessary for the upholding of cosmic balance across the universe. That said, Beerus's problem is the fact that [[BrilliantButLazy he spends most of the time he should be working sleeping]] and when he's awake his ''reasons'' for destroying planets are more often than not [[EvilIsPetty for petty or spiteful reasons]] spiteful]] (like because someone didn't give him good enough food).
3rd Jun '17 2:44:11 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': King Kai describes Beerus, the God of Destruction, in these terms. When he tells Goku that Beerus tends to blow up a lot of planets, Goku immediately assumes that Beerus is a bad guy. King Kai responds that Goku's thinking about it the wrong way: Beerus's "job" and the whole reason for his existence is to destroy things, and his destruction of things is necessary for the upholding of cosmic balance across the universe.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': King Kai describes Beerus, the God of Destruction, in these terms. When he tells Goku that Beerus tends to blow up a lot of planets, Goku immediately assumes that Beerus is a bad guy. King Kai responds that Goku's thinking about it the wrong way: Beerus's "job" and the whole reason for his existence is to destroy things, and his destruction of things is necessary for the upholding of cosmic balance across the universe. That said, Beerus's problem is the fact that [[BrilliantButLazy he spends most of the time he should be working sleeping]] and when he's awake his ''reasons'' for destroying planets are more often than not [[EvilIsPetty for petty or spiteful reasons]] (like because someone didn't give him good enough food).


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* [[FallenHero Hades]] from ''Manga/FairyTail'' sees Magic in general as this, making no distinction between "light" and "dark" magic in his pursuit of the One Magic, the root of all. His life's work involves researching the works of [[BigBad the Black Wizard, Zeref]] and his main goal is to create the "grand Magic world" where all can use magic and anyone who can't doesn't need to live, to which he sees Zeref himself as the key to achieving.
23rd May '17 4:05:27 AM Specialist290
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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act. That said, thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust certain]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre unpleasant]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre events]] in recent history, many modern militaries do qualify that this obligation only applies to ''lawful'' orders, and that indeed using "JustFollowingOrders" for participating in ''unlawful'' acts is not a sufficient defense.

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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act. That said, thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust certain]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre unpleasant]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre events]] in recent history, many modern militaries do qualify that this obligation only applies to ''lawful'' orders, and that indeed using "JustFollowingOrders" claiming "We were JustFollowingOrders" for participating in ''unlawful'' acts is not a sufficient defense.
23rd May '17 4:05:01 AM Specialist290
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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act.

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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act. That said, thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust certain]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre unpleasant]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre events]] in recent history, many modern militaries do qualify that this obligation only applies to ''lawful'' orders, and that indeed using "JustFollowingOrders" for participating in ''unlawful'' acts is not a sufficient defense.
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