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19th Dec '15 2:31:36 PM nombretomado
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* In AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', a Wasp slave justifies herself on the grounds there is no good or evil, just people doing things.
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* In AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[ShadowsOfTheApt Creator/AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[Literature/ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', a Wasp slave justifies herself on the grounds there is no good or evil, just people doing things.
14th Dec '15 6:54:58 AM Prfnoff
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* KarateBears displays this in [[http://www.karatebears.com/2011/09/share-with-friends.html Sharing With Friends]]
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* KarateBears ''Webcomic/KarateBears'' displays this in [[http://www.karatebears.com/2011/09/share-with-friends.html Sharing With Friends]]
25th Nov '15 8:05:13 PM Doug86
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* In JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Phoenix Exultant]]'', the Nothing agent declares it is above good and evil.
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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Phoenix Exultant]]'', the Nothing agent declares it is above good and evil.

* In JimButcher's ''[[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Ghost Story]]'', Lea says that evil is mainly an aesthetic choice. * In JohnCWright's ''Literature/CountToATrillion'', Menelaus asks whether they are going to teach post-humans morals, and gets the answer that they would be above it -- it would make no more sense than preaching monogamy to bees or veganitarism to lions.
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* In JimButcher's Creator/JimButcher's ''[[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Ghost Story]]'', Lea says that evil is mainly an aesthetic choice. * In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''Literature/CountToATrillion'', Menelaus asks whether they are going to teach post-humans morals, and gets the answer that they would be above it -- it would make no more sense than preaching monogamy to bees or veganitarism to lions.

* Alpha in ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'' sees himself as this, to the point of explicitly referencing Nietzsche and referring to himself as the Ubermensch.
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* Alpha in ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'' ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'' sees himself as this, to the point of explicitly referencing Nietzsche and referring to himself as the Ubermensch.

* This is argued over in Series/TrueBlood. A lot of vampires would agree with Godric's claim "There is no right or wrong. These are human notions. There's only death or survival." He himself renounces this idea finally. * ''{{Series/Hannibal}}'': Hannibal views himself this way, stating that he's not evil. Will Graham [[BatmanGambit is pretending to have a similar view to get close to him.]]
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* This is argued over in Series/TrueBlood.''Series/TrueBlood''. A lot of vampires would agree with Godric's claim "There is no right or wrong. These are human notions. There's only death or survival." He himself renounces this idea finally. * ''{{Series/Hannibal}}'': ''Series/{{Hannibal}}'': Hannibal views himself this way, stating that he's not evil. Will Graham [[BatmanGambit is pretending to have a similar view to get close to him.]]

--> "You're so nice. You're not good, you're not bad, you're just nice. I'm not good,I'm not nice, I'm just right."
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--> "You're so nice. You're not good, you're not bad, you're just nice. I'm not good,I'm good, I'm not nice, I'm just right."

* In Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja, Mitzi believes this, but as an assassin-for-hire, it's more along the lines of not being picky about who signs the paycheck. It's also part of the reason with her family problems with Doc, as his using Franchise/{{Batman}} as a role model caused him to align himself on the ChaoticGood side instead of the family's TrueNeutral status.
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* In Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja, ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja'', Mitzi believes this, but as an assassin-for-hire, it's more along the lines of not being picky about who signs the paycheck. It's also part of the reason with her family problems with Doc, as his using Franchise/{{Batman}} as a role model caused him to align himself on the ChaoticGood side instead of the family's TrueNeutral status.

* ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' -- in the appropriately-named "Beyond Good and Evil" four-parter, Apocalypse declares he is "not malevolent. I simply ''am''." Eventually, after nearly destroying the world more than once, he starts to wonder if they actually have a point about the whole "malevolent" thing. He goes right back to destruction after that, though.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' -- in the appropriately-named "Beyond Good and Evil" four-parter, Apocalypse declares he is "not malevolent. I simply ''am''." Eventually, after nearly destroying the world more than once, he starts to wonder if they actually have a point about the whole "malevolent" thing. He goes right back to destruction after that, though.

* This is the essense of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act.
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* This is the essense essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act.
10th Nov '15 12:49:00 PM StFan
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* Shockwave in the IDW continuity falls under the ForScience aspect. In ''ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' [[spoiler: he was one of the few good higher class mechs and scientists, who strove to improve the lives of everyone and stop the energy crisis. He then had his emotions removed and his body mutilated by an enemy, he lost all of his empathy with it.]] Now Shockwave doesn't believe in good, nor evil, just logic. As such he feels no altruism nor malice. In ''ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise'' he admits his goal is to create renewable energy and save the planet, all other mechs are raw materials or a means to an end. In ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMaximumDinobots'', Grimlock's cost him a few million years of his time, Scorponok's blown off a piece of his chest and the Humans have tried to blow him up, when he outmaneuvers all of them, he doesn't go for revenge or even kill anyone he just leaves because he just doesn't care. His actions in the present have him [[spoiler: creating an Ore which can resurrect cybertronians, and with it he turns life and death into mere data for him to manipulate.]]
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* Shockwave in the IDW continuity falls under the ForScience aspect. In ''ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' [[spoiler: he was one of the few good higher class mechs and scientists, who strove to improve the lives of everyone and stop the energy crisis. He then had his emotions removed and his body mutilated by an enemy, he lost all of his empathy with it.]] Now Shockwave doesn't believe in good, nor evil, just logic. As such he feels no altruism nor malice. In ''ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise'' ''ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise'' he admits his goal is to create renewable energy and save the planet, all other mechs are raw materials or a means to an end. In ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMaximumDinobots'', Grimlock's cost him a few million years of his time, Scorponok's blown off a piece of his chest and the Humans have tried to blow him up, when he outmaneuvers all of them, he doesn't go for revenge or even kill anyone he just leaves because he just doesn't care. His actions in the present have him [[spoiler: creating an Ore which can resurrect cybertronians, and with it he turns life and death into mere data for him to manipulate.]]
7th Nov '15 9:06:21 AM StFan
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* [[WordOfGod Word of]] GeoffJohns says that [[ComicBook/BlackestNight Nekron]] was intended to be this. * Shockwave in the IDW continuity falls under the ForScience aspect. In ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye [[spoiler: he was one of the few good higher class mechs and scientists, who strove to improve the lives of everyone and stop the energy crisis. He then had his emotions removed and his body mutilated by an enemy, he lost all of his empathy with it.]] Now Shockwave doesn't believe in good, nor evil, just logic. As such he feels no altruism nor malice. In ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise he admits his goal is to create renewable energy and save the planet, all other mechs are raw materials or a means to an end. In ComicBook/TransformersMaximumDinobots, Grimlock's cost him a few million years of his time, Scorponok's blown off a piece of his chest and the Humans have tried to blow him up, when he outmaneuvers all of them, he doesn't go for revenge or even kill anyone he just leaves because he just doesn't care. His actions in the present have him [[spoiler: creating an Ore which can resurrect cybertronians, and with it he turns life and death into mere data for him to manipulate.]]
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* [[WordOfGod Word of]] GeoffJohns Creator/GeoffJohns says that [[ComicBook/BlackestNight Nekron]] was intended to be this. * Shockwave in the IDW continuity falls under the ForScience aspect. In ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye ''ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' [[spoiler: he was one of the few good higher class mechs and scientists, who strove to improve the lives of everyone and stop the energy crisis. He then had his emotions removed and his body mutilated by an enemy, he lost all of his empathy with it.]] Now Shockwave doesn't believe in good, nor evil, just logic. As such he feels no altruism nor malice. In ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise ''ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise'' he admits his goal is to create renewable energy and save the planet, all other mechs are raw materials or a means to an end. In ComicBook/TransformersMaximumDinobots, ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMaximumDinobots'', Grimlock's cost him a few million years of his time, Scorponok's blown off a piece of his chest and the Humans have tried to blow him up, when he outmaneuvers all of them, he doesn't go for revenge or even kill anyone he just leaves because he just doesn't care. His actions in the present have him [[spoiler: creating an Ore which can resurrect cybertronians, and with it he turns life and death into mere data for him to manipulate.]]

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23rd Sep '15 6:35:52 PM nombretomado
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* {{Galactus}}, foe of the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', is a PlanetEater who often uses this justification; he (and other [[ThePowersThatBe Cosmic Beings]] of the MarvelUniverse) claim that he will one day do something that ''more'' than makes up for the uncounted trillions of deaths he causes, which sort of falls under TakeOurWordForIt, since you'd have to wait ''billions'' of years to find out what that is. Galactus has always been treated not as a villain, but as a force of nature who really is above good and evil and takes no pleasure in consuming worlds.
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* {{Galactus}}, ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, foe of the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', is a PlanetEater who often uses this justification; he (and other [[ThePowersThatBe Cosmic Beings]] of the MarvelUniverse) claim that he will one day do something that ''more'' than makes up for the uncounted trillions of deaths he causes, which sort of falls under TakeOurWordForIt, since you'd have to wait ''billions'' of years to find out what that is. Galactus has always been treated not as a villain, but as a force of nature who really is above good and evil and takes no pleasure in consuming worlds.
20th Sep '15 6:07:09 PM Berrenta
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* [[EldritchAbomination The Powers That Be]] in ''TabletopGame/BleakWorld'' they seem pretty evil though, in fact they're probably [[BiggerBad the Darkness]] or [[TheDreaded The Caretaker]].
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* [[EldritchAbomination The Powers That Be]] in ''TabletopGame/BleakWorld'' they seem pretty evil though, in fact they're probably [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Darkness]] or [[TheDreaded The Caretaker]].
13th Sep '15 3:16:22 AM SuperLlama
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* Lord Brevon from ''VideoGame/FreedomPlanet'' is undeniably evil. Very, ''very'' evil. And yet he likes to play himself off like this, justifying his mass slaughter, torture, brainwashing, manipulation of the three kingdoms of Avalice into going to war, and the theft of the Kingdom Stone that powers the entire planet as necessary to save his homeworld (a homeworld that, by the way, is only in danger because Brevon is a tyrannical interplanetary warlord who's ravaged entire star systems,) while pinning as much of the blame for his actions as possible on the heroes for getting in his way and forcing him to react. Torque eventually throws this right back in his face. --> '''Torque''': You think you're some kind of blameless force of nature, don't you!? That the rules don't apply to you!
11th Sep '15 10:56:05 PM nombretomado
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* Roque Ja from ''{{Bone}}'' holds the "There is no good and evil, there is only power" philosophy. Unlike most others, he is actually neutral; he works for the bad guys for pay, but will turn on them if they insult him and he lets the heroes go so that they can defeat the Locust at the end.
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* Roque Ja from ''{{Bone}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Bone}}'' holds the "There is no good and evil, there is only power" philosophy. Unlike most others, he is actually neutral; he works for the bad guys for pay, but will turn on them if they insult him and he lets the heroes go so that they can defeat the Locust at the end.

* ''NewGods'': {{Darkseid}} likes to ''claim'' to be this, but it's quite clear that if he's not simply evil he's a pretty good facsimile thereof. One of the ''nicest'' things about Darkseid is that he's got a sense of honor (dark and twisted though it may be), which is more than one can say of most of his minions. * DoctorFate sometimes slips into this. DependingOnTheWriter he's concerned solely with maintaining the balance between Order and Chaos (in some takes on the character, he's actually a Lord of Order, so sometimes this isn't so much a matter of "balance" for its own sake and more a case of "we can't let Chaos win"). It's perhaps best seen in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice.''
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* ''NewGods'': {{Darkseid}} ''ComicBook/NewGods'': ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} likes to ''claim'' to be this, but it's quite clear that if he's not simply evil he's a pretty good facsimile thereof. One of the ''nicest'' things about Darkseid is that he's got a sense of honor (dark and twisted though it may be), which is more than one can say of most of his minions. * DoctorFate ComicBook/DoctorFate sometimes slips into this. DependingOnTheWriter he's concerned solely with maintaining the balance between Order and Chaos (in some takes on the character, he's actually a Lord of Order, so sometimes this isn't so much a matter of "balance" for its own sake and more a case of "we can't let Chaos win"). It's perhaps best seen in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice.''
11th Sep '15 4:12:06 PM nombretomado
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* [[WordOfGod Word of]] GeoffJohns says that [[BlackestNight Nekron]] was intended to be this.
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* [[WordOfGod Word of]] GeoffJohns says that [[BlackestNight [[ComicBook/BlackestNight Nekron]] was intended to be this.
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