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23rd May '17 4:05:27 AM Specialist290
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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act. That said, thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust certain]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre unpleasant]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre events]] in recent history, many modern militaries do qualify that this obligation only applies to ''lawful'' orders, and that indeed using "JustFollowingOrders" for participating in ''unlawful'' acts is not a sufficient defense.

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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act. That said, thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust certain]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre unpleasant]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre events]] in recent history, many modern militaries do qualify that this obligation only applies to ''lawful'' orders, and that indeed using "JustFollowingOrders" claiming "We were JustFollowingOrders" for participating in ''unlawful'' acts is not a sufficient defense.
23rd May '17 4:05:01 AM Specialist290
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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act.

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* This is the essence of real-life JustFollowingOrders. Since you effectively give up your right to conscientious objection (at least in the U.S. and Canada) when you join the military, if you're told to do something and it's a lawful order you're doing it whether you think it's a good or evil act. That said, thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust certain]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre unpleasant]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre events]] in recent history, many modern militaries do qualify that this obligation only applies to ''lawful'' orders, and that indeed using "JustFollowingOrders" for participating in ''unlawful'' acts is not a sufficient defense.
16th May '17 10:18:38 PM IndustriousArc
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* ''FanFic/ShatteredReflection'': Having the spirit of Grima, Fire Emblem Awakening's de facto devil, inhabiting her body can occasionally have this affect whenever Rose overindulges in the [[SuperpoweredEvilSide major power boost such an entity can provide.]]
23rd Apr '17 1:55:36 AM CountDorku
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* This is a major part of the Exhuman philosophy in ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase''. They believe that the Fall, the apocalyptic destruction of Earth in the fires of posthuman god-AI, [[GoodIsOldFashioned proved that old-fashioned morality was obsolete]], and only survival matters - so they reject considerations of good and evil in favour of survival and power. Firewall, it has to be said, is having none of it, and lists the exhumans as a potential existential risk because their survival-and-power approach invariably seems to end in someone screwing around with TheVirus or [[MindRape stealing egos and ripping out the most interesting bits for themselves]] or modifying themselves into the ultimate predator and developing into a SerialKiller.
14th Apr '17 8:22:58 PM SolidSonicTH
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* Though labeled an "evil" character (he does have his own [[BlueAndOrangeMorality strange sense of morality), ''Franchise/StreetFighter'''s Akuma does not believe there is any merit in tagging one's self as 'good' or 'evil'. His ultimate goal is simply to be the most perfect example of a warrior, and that means anyone who has the might to stand against him will not be spared his full power, regardless of where they are morally.

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* Though labeled an "evil" character (he does have his own [[BlueAndOrangeMorality strange sense of morality), morality]]), ''Franchise/StreetFighter'''s Akuma does not believe there is any merit in tagging one's self as 'good' or 'evil'. His ultimate goal is simply to be the most perfect example of a warrior, and that means anyone who has the might to stand against him will not be spared his full power, regardless of where they are morally.
3rd Apr '17 8:48:52 PM Doug86
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* A rare heroic example is Touma, the main character from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' who considers good and evil to be mere shackles, and just does whatever he feels is right at the time. In the WorldWarThree arc, Touma even gives Accelerator some huge CharacterDevelopment by telling him that his thoughts that he is a villain are just holding him back.

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* A rare heroic example is Touma, the main character from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' who considers good and evil to be mere shackles, and just does whatever he feels is right at the time. In the WorldWarThree WorldWarIII arc, Touma even gives Accelerator some huge CharacterDevelopment by telling him that his thoughts that he is a villain are just holding him back.
28th Mar '17 10:12:19 AM BeerBaron
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' casts the Daedra as divine beings whose actions are driven by concepts far too alien to reasonably compare to straight-up Good or Evil. In practice, however, they come across as more like ChaoticNeutral. It does not help that death is a temporary inconvenience to ''them''.
** Though since the TES universe uses reincarnation if you haven't pledged your soul to a daedric lord, and an afterlife of sorts if you did, death is also only a temporary inconvenience to you, too.

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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' casts In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', most of the Daedra various forms of deity qualify. While the mortals of Tamriel often regard the Divines as divine beings whose actions are driven by concepts far too alien to reasonably compare to straight-up Good outright "Good" and some of the Daedric Princes (Azura, Meridia) as well, scholars both in-universe and out among the fandom argue that the deities follow BlueAndOrangeMorality above mortal understanding, with none wholly good or Evil. In practice, however, evil. The "Good" ones only seem that way because what they come across as seek to accomplish is generally beneficial or benevolent toward mortals, while the "Evil" ones are more like ChaoticNeutral. It does not help that death likely to harm mortals with their actions. For instance, Mehrunes Dagon is a temporary inconvenience to ''them''.
** Though since
the TES universe uses reincarnation if you haven't pledged your soul to Daedric Prince of Destruction, but is no more "evil" than a daedric lord, and tidal wave or an afterlife of sorts if you did, death is also only a temporary inconvenience to you, too.earthquake.
5th Mar '17 4:58:38 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Film/InTheNameOfTheKing: A DungeonSiege Tale'', the EvilSorcerer Gallian tries to destroy the Kingdom of Ehb in order to usher in a NewWorldOrder. When someone points out that he could show his merciful side by releasing the prisoners, he explains in a LargeHam way that he's beyond such petty concepts as Mercy, Good, or Evil. After he takes over, Good will be redefined in terms of power (i.e. the more the better). He is also insane, which he doesn't try to hide.

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* In ''Film/InTheNameOfTheKing: A DungeonSiege VideoGame/DungeonSiege Tale'', the EvilSorcerer Gallian tries to destroy the Kingdom of Ehb in order to usher in a NewWorldOrder. When someone points out that he could show his merciful side by releasing the prisoners, he explains in a LargeHam way that he's beyond such petty concepts as Mercy, Good, or Evil. After he takes over, Good will be redefined in terms of power (i.e. the more the better). He is also insane, which he doesn't try to hide.
3rd Mar '17 5:07:45 AM Korodzik
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* A member of the Franchise/{{Cthulhu|Mythos}} Cult in [[Creator/HPLovecraft Lovecraft's]] "The Call of Cthulhu" explains that the time of the return of the [[EldritchAbomination Great Old Ones]] will be when mankind has become as them, "free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy." It's no wonder only two of the dozens of members arrested for ritual murders were found sane enough to be hanged.

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* A member of the Franchise/{{Cthulhu|Mythos}} Cult in [[Creator/HPLovecraft Lovecraft's]] "The Call of Cthulhu" "Literature/TheCallOfCthulhu" explains that the time of the return of the [[EldritchAbomination Great Old Ones]] will be when mankind has become as them, "free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy." It's no wonder only two of the dozens of members arrested for ritual murders were found sane enough to be hanged.
18th Feb '17 7:12:06 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Though labeled an "evil" character ("dark" is more apt), ''Franchise/StreetFighter'''s Akuma does not believe there is any merit in tagging one's self as 'good' or 'evil'. His ultimate goal is simply to be the most perfect example of a warrior, and that means anyone who has the might to stand against him will not be spared his full power, regardless of where they are morally.

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* Though labeled an "evil" character ("dark" is more apt), (he does have his own [[BlueAndOrangeMorality strange sense of morality), ''Franchise/StreetFighter'''s Akuma does not believe there is any merit in tagging one's self as 'good' or 'evil'. His ultimate goal is simply to be the most perfect example of a warrior, and that means anyone who has the might to stand against him will not be spared his full power, regardless of where they are morally.
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