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5th Dec '16 8:28:54 AM Morgenthaler
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Flagellation (more commonly called "flogging") is a method of punishment in which a person is beaten or whipped with a rod, a switch, or (most especially) a whip or a cat-o-nine-tails. Flogging was commonly used in various navies around the world during the time of WoodenShipsAndIronMen, especially as the sailors of the time were known [[BadAss to have a disregard for pain]]. A knotted piece of rope (called a "starter") was used to give "encouragement" to a lazy sailor, while the cat-o-nine-tails was used for harsher, more formal punishments. It was also commonly used by slave owners as a method of disciplining their slaves. Typically during a flogging, the prisoner is stripped naked (or at least stripped to the waist) and then hung upright or chained upright to a pillar or a post (or a pair of posts) in order to stretch them out. Standard practice was to whip the prisoner's back, as there is a greater chance of inflicting a fatal wound while whipping the chest. Depending on the region, more than one person might carry out the punishment.

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Flagellation (more commonly called "flogging") is a method of punishment in which a person is beaten or whipped with a rod, a switch, or (most especially) a whip or a cat-o-nine-tails. Flogging was commonly used in various navies around the world during the time of WoodenShipsAndIronMen, especially as the sailors of the time were known [[BadAss to have a disregard for pain]].pain. A knotted piece of rope (called a "starter") was used to give "encouragement" to a lazy sailor, while the cat-o-nine-tails was used for harsher, more formal punishments. It was also commonly used by slave owners as a method of disciplining their slaves. Typically during a flogging, the prisoner is stripped naked (or at least stripped to the waist) and then hung upright or chained upright to a pillar or a post (or a pair of posts) in order to stretch them out. Standard practice was to whip the prisoner's back, as there is a greater chance of inflicting a fatal wound while whipping the chest. Depending on the region, more than one person might carry out the punishment.



* The Digimon Emperor tortured TK with his whip in the episode "The Darkness Before Dawn" of ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02''. [[spoiler: TK stopped the whipping by ''[[BadAss catching the end of the whip with his bare hand.]]'']]

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* The Digimon Emperor tortured TK with his whip in the episode "The Darkness Before Dawn" of ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02''. [[spoiler: TK stopped the whipping by ''[[BadAss catching ''catching the end of the whip with his bare hand.]]'']]'']]



** Shi'a [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} Muslims]] whip themselves as part of the annual period of mourning for the first ten days of the Muslim year, commemorating the martyrdom of their Third Imam, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali Husayn ibn Ali]], at the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala Battle of Karbala]] in Iraq (marked by the "festival" of [[UsefulNotes/IslamicHolidaysAndFestivals Ashura]]). A few men, not believing that self-flagellation is BadAss enough to commemorate Husayn, cut their foreheads with swords.

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** Shi'a [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} Muslims]] whip themselves as part of the annual period of mourning for the first ten days of the Muslim year, commemorating the martyrdom of their Third Imam, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali Husayn ibn Ali]], at the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala Battle of Karbala]] in Iraq (marked by the "festival" of [[UsefulNotes/IslamicHolidaysAndFestivals Ashura]]). A few men, not believing that self-flagellation is BadAss badass enough to commemorate Husayn, cut their foreheads with swords.
10th Nov '16 6:05:30 PM gemmabeta2
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* In 1994, an American tourist named Michael Fay was arrested for theft and vandalism in UsefulNotes/{{Singapore}}, and wound up getting caned. In Singapore, caning is done on the bare buttocks with a soaked half-inch thick rattan rod. The maximum number of strokes is 24, still a pretty high number considering a single stroke is usually enough to make a fully-grown man (women may not be canned) sleep on his stomach for an entire week and anything more than 10 is likely to result in permanent damage.

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* In 1994, an American tourist named Michael Fay was arrested for theft and vandalism in UsefulNotes/{{Singapore}}, and wound up getting caned. In Singapore, caning is done on the bare buttocks with a soaked half-inch thick rattan rod. The maximum number of strokes is 24, still quite a pretty high number considering a single stroke is usually enough to make a fully-grown man (women may not be canned) sleep on his stomach for an entire week and anything more than 10 is likely to result in permanent damage.damage and walking problems.
3rd Nov '16 3:52:12 PM StarSword
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* In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', Harry overhears Argus Filch gleefully reading that Professor Umbridge, who with Dumbledore on the run has just been named headmistress, has just lifted the school's ban on whipping students.
3rd Nov '16 3:49:13 PM StarSword
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* A standard naval punishment in the WoodenShipsAndIronMen [-InSpace-] ''Literature/AlexisCarew'' novels. In particular, Captain Neals in the second book is noted as a "Tartar", a captain very free with the cat, and regularly orders that the last man down the mast at shift change be flogged. This naturally results in the crew throwing safety to the wind in their haste to reach the bottom, eventually resulting in two of them going overboard and being lost in space. As a midshipman Alexis cannot be flogged no matter how much Neals wants to, [[spoiler:until he disrates her for disobeying his demand to KneelBeforeZod and promptly gives her twenty lashes on general principles. The log of his excessive floggings is eventually his undoing at CourtMartial: it's revealed that he did it roughly twice as often as the tribunal would expect of even a captain with an ''extraordinarily'' unruly crew.]]
* In apparent reference to ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'', the ''Literature/TheirsNotToReasonWhy'' series uses canings for corporal punishment of Terran military personnel. In the first book a Marine recruit is caned before his dishonorable discharge for stealing a StaticStunGun and attacking his fellow recruits and the drill instructor before attempting to desert.



* In ''Series/BabylonFive'', Centauri Emperor [[TheCaligula Cartagia]] orders that G'Kar to be whipped until he dies or screams, whichever comes first. For no reason beyond the fact that he wants to hear the Narn scream. He specifically orders that the "[[TortureTechnician pain technicians]]" use a special high-tech whip that gradually increases the level of pain until dealing a fatal blow at lash number 40. G'Kar refuses to scream until the 39th lash--even after all that pain, he realized that dying for his pride just wasn't worth it.

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* In ''Series/BabylonFive'', Centauri Emperor [[TheCaligula Cartagia]] orders that G'Kar to be whipped until he dies or screams, whichever comes first. For no reason beyond the fact that he wants to hear the Narn scream. He specifically orders that the "[[TortureTechnician pain technicians]]" use a special high-tech whip that gradually increases the level of pain until dealing a fatal blow at lash number 40. G'Kar stubbornly refuses to scream until the 39th lash--even after all that pain, he realized that dying for lash, even then only doing it to keep Cartagia from ruining his pride just wasn't worth it.and Londo's plan to assassinate him and end the occupation of the Narn homeworld.



* Agonizers and the Agony Booth seem to have taken the physical place of the lash in ''Franchise/StarTrek'''s MirrorUniverse, though their purpose remains in place. Imperial Captain Forrest even remarks that while he can understand the Booth's usefullness, there's still something to be said for a good old-fashioned flogging.

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* Agonizers and the Agony Booth seem to have taken the physical place of the lash in ''Franchise/StarTrek'''s MirrorUniverse, though their purpose remains in place. Imperial Captain Forrest even remarks that while he can understand the Booth's usefullness, usefulness, there's still something to be said for a good old-fashioned flogging.


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* ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'': Clerics of Loviatar, the goddess of pain and torture, are directed to self-flagellate while praying for spells.
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* The opening of the second ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' ExpansionPack ''Storm of Zehir'' has the PlayerParty take ship to Samarach on a sailing ship. Captain Lastri Kassireh can be overheard threatening to unleash her first mate with the cat o' nine tails if the crew doesn't have the ship ready for an oncoming tropical storm.
10th Oct '16 9:31:09 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the ''{{Sharpe}}'' series, Sergeant Obadiah Hakeswill had {{Sharpe}} flogged while the latter was still a private in India. This was only one of the reasons that Sharpe hated Hakeswill and considered the man his ArchNemesis, and why he never has one of his own men flogged once he becomes an officer.

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* In the ''{{Sharpe}}'' ''Literature/{{Sharpe}}'' series, Sergeant Obadiah Hakeswill had {{Sharpe}} flogged while the latter was still a private in India. This was only one of the reasons that Sharpe hated Hakeswill and considered the man his ArchNemesis, and why he never has one of his own men flogged once he becomes an officer.



* In the ''GauntsGhosts'' novel ''The Guns of Tanith'', Lijah "That Fething Bastard" Cuu gets flogged for looting. This ends...[[UnfriendlyFire badly]].

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* In the ''GauntsGhosts'' ''Literature/GauntsGhosts'' novel ''The Guns of Tanith'', Lijah "That Fething Bastard" Cuu gets flogged for looting. This ends...[[UnfriendlyFire badly]].



* In ''TheDaVinciCode'', Silas the Albino flogged himself to a bloody pulp out of a sense of religious fanaticism.
* Cluny the Scourge, the villainous rat of the TalkingAnimal book Literature/{{Redwall}}, whips his subordinates with his own tail. Since presumably he couldn't hit someone hard enough to kill them without breaking his tail, if he wants to actually kill them he attaches a poisoned metal barb to it. Another BigBad, the LawfulEvil Vilu Daskar, uses a particularly nasty variation on this as a punishment for theft aboard his ship; the perpetrators are strung upside-down from the mast, given twenty lashes, have their wounds washed with seawater, and cut down after several hours.
* Not quite flogging, but a Literature/{{Discworld}} novel cites an incident where a witch caught a traveling peddlar beating his exhausted, overloaded donkey. She grabbed the riding crop out of his hands and used it to strike him in the face twice, saying: "Hurts, doesn't it?"

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* In ''TheDaVinciCode'', ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode'', Silas the Albino flogged himself to a bloody pulp out of a sense of religious fanaticism.
* Cluny the Scourge, the villainous rat of the TalkingAnimal book Literature/{{Redwall}}, ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'', whips his subordinates with his own tail. Since presumably he couldn't hit someone hard enough to kill them without breaking his tail, if he wants to actually kill them he attaches a poisoned metal barb to it. Another BigBad, the LawfulEvil Vilu Daskar, uses a particularly nasty variation on this as a punishment for theft aboard his ship; the perpetrators are strung upside-down from the mast, given twenty lashes, have their wounds washed with seawater, and cut down after several hours.
* Not quite flogging, but a Literature/{{Discworld}} ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novel cites an incident where a witch caught a traveling peddlar beating his exhausted, overloaded donkey. She grabbed the riding crop out of his hands and used it to strike him in the face twice, saying: "Hurts, doesn't it?"
4th Sep '16 11:29:44 AM MasoTey
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* In ''Series/{{Roots}}'' (as in real history) the slaves are whipped for just about any reason. You would think some masters would [[PragmaticVillainy prefer]] to limit this though, as it reduces a slave's ability to work and their value at auction(who wants a slave that needs to be whipped constantly?). In RealLife, that was usually the case for that exact reason. Flogging isn't for the benefit of the one person being flogged. It's for the benefit of the twenty people forced to watch.

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* In ''Series/{{Roots}}'' (as in real history) the slaves are whipped for just about any reason. You would think some masters would [[PragmaticVillainy prefer]] to limit this though, as it reduces a slave's ability to work and their value at auction(who auction (who wants a slave that needs to be whipped constantly?). In RealLife, that was usually the case for that exact reason. Flogging isn't for the benefit of the one person being flogged. It's for the benefit of the twenty people forced to watch.



** "Munity": [[InsaneAdmiral Crazy Captain]] Sawyer has Mr Midshipman Wellard beaten because... well, becuase he was only doing his duty and belayed Captain's order, otherwise their sail would tear. Later he has him beaten again because he thinks Wellard conspires against him and wants him to confess to mutiny. Most characters feels it is an injustice, and Mr Hornblower speaks up for him, which earns him a continuous watch that keeps being extended to whole days. And if an officer is caught sleeping on his watch, he will be sentenced to death.

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** "Munity": [[InsaneAdmiral Crazy Captain]] Sawyer has Mr Midshipman Wellard beaten because... well, becuase because he was only doing his duty and belayed Captain's order, otherwise their sail would tear. Later he has him beaten again because he thinks Wellard conspires against him and wants him to confess to mutiny. Most characters feels it is an injustice, and Mr Hornblower speaks up for him, which earns him a continuous watch that keeps being extended to whole days. And if an officer is caught sleeping on his watch, he will be sentenced to death.
25th Jul '16 12:10:49 AM PaulA
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* A few months before the start of the story in ''[[Literature/{{Chalion}} The Curse of Chalion]]'', Lupe dy Cazaril (then a galley slave) antagonized the slavemaster in order to protect another slave; it was mostly luck that he survived the resulting flogging. [[spoiler: Since lifting the titular curse requires that someone lay down their life three times for the house of Chalion, the fact that a flogging stands a decent chance of killing you and Cazaril provoked one anyway is actually a ''very'' important plot point.]]

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* A few months before the start of the story in ''[[Literature/{{Chalion}} The Curse of Chalion]]'', ''Literature/TheCurseOfChalion'', Lupe dy Cazaril (then a galley slave) antagonized the slavemaster in order to protect another slave; it was mostly luck that he survived the resulting flogging. [[spoiler: Since [[spoiler:Since lifting the titular curse requires that someone lay down their life three times for the house of Chalion, the fact that a flogging stands a decent chance of killing you and Cazaril provoked one anyway is actually a ''very'' important plot point.]]
16th Jul '16 10:18:50 AM MsChibi
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* In ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'', Nakago does this to Tamahome, as well as to [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent Ashitare]].
28th Jun '16 10:51:13 PM Morgenthaler
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* An important part of Kvothe's legend building in TheNameOfTheWind is when he is flogged - he takes a drug beforehand to dull the pain, which has the side effect of constricting the blood vessels and causing him not to bleed - earning him the nickname "Bloodless"

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* An important part of Kvothe's legend building in TheNameOfTheWind ''Literature/TheNameOfTheWind'' is when he is flogged - he takes a drug beforehand to dull the pain, which has the side effect of constricting the blood vessels and causing him not to bleed - earning him the nickname "Bloodless"



* In ''{{Roots}}'' (as in real history) the slaves are whipped for just about any reason. You would think some masters would [[PragmaticVillainy prefer]] to limit this though, as it reduces a slave's ability to work and their value at auction(who wants a slave that needs to be whipped constantly?). In RealLife, that was usually the case for that exact reason. Flogging isn't for the benefit of the one person being flogged. It's for the benefit of the twenty people forced to watch.
* ''Series/ChappellesShow'' does a sketch poking fun at the actors of ''{{Roots}}'' during a whipping scene.

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* In ''{{Roots}}'' ''Series/{{Roots}}'' (as in real history) the slaves are whipped for just about any reason. You would think some masters would [[PragmaticVillainy prefer]] to limit this though, as it reduces a slave's ability to work and their value at auction(who wants a slave that needs to be whipped constantly?). In RealLife, that was usually the case for that exact reason. Flogging isn't for the benefit of the one person being flogged. It's for the benefit of the twenty people forced to watch.
* ''Series/ChappellesShow'' does a sketch poking fun at the actors of ''{{Roots}}'' ''Series/{{Roots}}'' during a whipping scene.



* Alluded to in ''Series/{{Merlin}}'' by King Uther. "If this were a time of war, I would have you flogged".

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* Alluded to in ''Series/{{Merlin}}'' ''Series/{{Merlin 2008}}'' by King Uther. "If this were a time of war, I would have you flogged".



* Disney's ''TheSwampFox'' has a scene of this in the episode "Tory Vengeance". Marion's nephew, "Young" Gabe Marion, is flogged by Col. Townes in an attempt to force him to disclose the location of Marion's base. Marion storms the place with his brigade and rescues Gabe, only for the boy to be shot moments after he's freed from the ropes.

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* Disney's ''TheSwampFox'' ''Series/TheSwampFox'' has a scene of this in the episode "Tory Vengeance". Marion's nephew, "Young" Gabe Marion, is flogged by Col. Townes in an attempt to force him to disclose the location of Marion's base. Marion storms the place with his brigade and rescues Gabe, only for the boy to be shot moments after he's freed from the ropes.



* In the video for ''The Captain'' by BiffyClyro, Simon Neill (as the titular pirate captain) is shown being flogged by a naval officer.

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* In the video for ''The Captain'' by BiffyClyro, Music/BiffyClyro, Simon Neill (as the titular pirate captain) is shown being flogged by a naval officer.
15th Jun '16 8:33:56 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Temeraire}}'', being a WoodenShipsAndIronMen series [-WITH DRAGONS!-], has this show up out of necessity a few times.

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* ''{{Temeraire}}'', ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'', being a WoodenShipsAndIronMen series [-WITH DRAGONS!-], has this show up out of necessity a few times.
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