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7th Jul '17 11:05:40 AM Grudgeal
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** [[ArmsDealer Ares Macrotechnology]] is generally considered this trope in the shadows. It's not that Ares aren't doing shadowy, dirty business (they are) or that they give a hoot about making the world a better place (they don't), but Ares (perhaps due to their LovableRogue CEO or the fact that shadowrunners continuing to exist raises demand for their products) [[PragmaticVillainy tend to understand 'the game' between shadowrunners and corporations better than most]]. A run against Ares is a run [[ContractualGenreBlindness where they'll play by the rules if you play by them]], and if you get hired to do work on their behalf odds are better than average that the Johnson actually intends to pay you at the end.

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** [[ArmsDealer Ares Macrotechnology]] is generally considered this trope in the shadows. It's not that Ares aren't doing shadowy, dirty business (they are) or that they give a hoot about making the world a better place (they don't), but Ares (perhaps due to their LovableRogue CEO or the fact that shadowrunners continuing to exist raises demand for their products) [[PragmaticVillainy tend to understand 'the game' between shadowrunners and corporations better than most]]. A run against Ares is a run [[ContractualGenreBlindness [[FairPlayVillain where they'll play by the rules rules]] [[GentlemanThief if you play by them]], and if them]]. If you get hired to do work on their behalf behalf, odds are better than average that the Johnson actually intends to pay ''pay'' you at the end.end instead of backstabbing you.
7th Jul '17 11:04:02 AM Grudgeal
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** [[ArmsDealer Ares Macrotechnology]] is generally considered this trope in the shadows. It's not that Ares aren't doing shadowy, dirty business (they are) or that they give a hoot about making the world a better place (they don't), but Ares (perhaps due to their LovableRogue CEO and the fact that shadowrunners raise demand for their products)[[PragmaticVillainy tend to understand 'the game' between shadowrunners and corporations better than most]]. A run against Ares is a run [[ContractualGenreBlindness where they'll play by the rules if you play by them]], and if you get hired to do work on their behalf odds are better than average that the Johnson actually intends to pay you at the end.

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** [[ArmsDealer Ares Macrotechnology]] is generally considered this trope in the shadows. It's not that Ares aren't doing shadowy, dirty business (they are) or that they give a hoot about making the world a better place (they don't), but Ares (perhaps due to their LovableRogue CEO and or the fact that shadowrunners raise continuing to exist raises demand for their products)[[PragmaticVillainy products) [[PragmaticVillainy tend to understand 'the game' between shadowrunners and corporations better than most]]. A run against Ares is a run [[ContractualGenreBlindness where they'll play by the rules if you play by them]], and if you get hired to do work on their behalf odds are better than average that the Johnson actually intends to pay you at the end.
7th Jul '17 11:02:03 AM Grudgeal
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** [[ArmsDealer Ares Macrotechnology]] is generally considered this trope in the shadows. It's not that Ares aren't doing shadowy, dirty business (they are) or that they give a hoot about making the world a better place (they don't), but Ares (perhaps due to their LovableRogue CEO and the fact that shadowrunners raise demand for their products)[[PragmaticVillainy tend to understand 'the game' between shadowrunners and corporations better than most]]. A run against Ares is a run [[ContractualGenreBlindness where they'll play by the rules if you play by them]], and if you get hired to do work on their behalf odds are better than average that the Johnson actually intends to pay you at the end.
7th Jul '17 9:15:01 AM OmegaRadiance
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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damn society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays an inevitable victory from either Law or Chaos. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that they'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]
7th Jul '17 6:42:26 AM CalamityRaven26
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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damn society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delaying an inevitable victory from either Law or Chaos, and between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]

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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damn society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delaying delays an inevitable victory from either Law or Chaos, and between Chaos. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd they'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]
7th Jul '17 6:41:07 AM CalamityRaven26
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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damn society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]

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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damn society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between delaying an inevitable victory from either Law or Chaos, and between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]
7th Jul '17 6:40:05 AM CalamityRaven26
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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damning society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]

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** [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damning damn society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]
7th Jul '17 6:39:41 AM CalamityRaven26
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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': The series as a whole chronicles the omniverse-spanning ForeverWar between the Forces of [[WorldOfSilence Law]], [[WorldOfChaos Chaos]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod Neutral]], [[GreyAndGrayMorality each side possessing their positives and negatives.]] Law and Chaos have genuinely noble intentions laden in extremism, and while Neutral is the most nuanced of the alignments, it also is never a permanent solution to the universe's problems, making it overall a decision of what's best for humanity. Due to the rampant subjectivity of the matter, it's possible to argue all three sides as the best choice.
** Law is one such interpretation. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damning society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': The series as a whole chronicles the omniverse-spanning ForeverWar between the Forces of [[WorldOfSilence Law]], [[WorldOfChaos Chaos]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod Neutral]], [[GreyAndGrayMorality each side possessing their positives and negatives.]] Law and Chaos have genuinely noble intentions laden in extremism, and while Neutral is the most nuanced of the alignments, it also is never a permanent solution to the universe's problems, making it overall a decision of what's best for humanity. Due to the rampant subjectivity of the matter, [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation it's possible to argue all three sides as the best choice.
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** Law [[LawfulEvil Law]] is one such interpretation.interpretation, at least this troper thinks so. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damning society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.]]
7th Jul '17 6:38:08 AM CalamityRaven26
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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'':
** The series as a whole chronicles the omniverse-spanning ForeverWar between the Forces of [[WorldOfSilence Law]], [[WorldOfChaos Chaos]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod Neutral]], [[GreyAndGrayMorality each side possessing their positives and negatives.]] Law and Chaos have genuinely noble intentions laden in extremism, and while Neutral is the most nuanced of the alignments, it also is never a permanent solution to the universe's problems, making it overall a decision of what's best for humanity. Due to the rampant subjectivity of the matter, it's possible to argue all three sides as the best choice.

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'':
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''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': The series as a whole chronicles the omniverse-spanning ForeverWar between the Forces of [[WorldOfSilence Law]], [[WorldOfChaos Chaos]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod Neutral]], [[GreyAndGrayMorality each side possessing their positives and negatives.]] Law and Chaos have genuinely noble intentions laden in extremism, and while Neutral is the most nuanced of the alignments, it also is never a permanent solution to the universe's problems, making it overall a decision of what's best for humanity. Due to the rampant subjectivity of the matter, it's possible to argue all three sides as the best choice.choice.
** Law is one such interpretation. Yes, it's true that [[GodIsEvil God is a despotic bastard with no regard for free will]], but remember the alternatives. If Chaos wins, it'll effectively damning society's helpless to a never-ending nightmare of suffering and anarchy. At it's absolute worst, Chaos' philosophy boils down to "if you're weak, you don't deserve to live, end of story," while Neutral's indecisiveness and tendency to prolong the conflict only further delays the conflict. Between a world where everyone is safe and represented equally, and a world of strict meritocratic classicism that's NotSoDifferent from Law's tyranny, it's not hard to see why Law's the lesser of two evil. Hell, in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[spoiler:Remiel and Amane state that he'd ''never'' let humanity suffer this fate.
7th Jul '17 6:33:30 AM CalamityRaven26
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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': While the forces of [[LawfulEvil Law]] and [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]] are both [[EvilVersusEvil pretty damn repellent]], sometimes one side just makes a better argument about their ideals, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards has at least a few standards]], and that side is [[DependingOnTheWriter usually]] Chaos. That's right, the side led by ''[[{{Satan}} Lucifer]]''. Fundamentally, Chaos holds [[TheUnfettered free will as an imperative]], unlike Law's [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans worldview that people should accept whatever fate they're given, however horrible]]. [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney Lucifer himself admits that while he doesn't love humans, he'll never abandon them.]]

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** The series as a whole chronicles
the forces omniverse-spanning ForeverWar between the Forces of [[LawfulEvil Law]] and [[ChaoticEvil [[WorldOfSilence Law]], [[WorldOfChaos Chaos]] are both [[EvilVersusEvil pretty damn repellent]], sometimes one and [[StatusQuoIsGod Neutral]], [[GreyAndGrayMorality each side just makes a better argument about possessing their ideals, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards has at least a few standards]], positives and that side is [[DependingOnTheWriter usually]] Chaos. That's right, the side led by ''[[{{Satan}} Lucifer]]''. Fundamentally, negatives.]] Law and Chaos holds [[TheUnfettered free will as an imperative]], unlike Law's [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans worldview that people should accept whatever fate they're given, however horrible]]. [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney Lucifer himself admits that have genuinely noble intentions laden in extremism, and while he doesn't love humans, he'll Neutral is the most nuanced of the alignments, it also is never abandon them.]]a permanent solution to the universe's problems, making it overall a decision of what's best for humanity. Due to the rampant subjectivity of the matter, it's possible to argue all three sides as the best choice.
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