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19th Nov '16 8:17:23 PM Yukianesa
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** Joffrey Baratheon is a spoiled little sadist who is far more interested in using his power to feed his destructive urges than to do any actual ruling. Even before he became king, everyone saw him as a child in the making. He ordered Ned Stark's execution on a childish whim completely against the urges of his more politically-savvy family, sparking a civil war and eventually [[spoiler:he is poisoned by his own allies at his own wedding at the age of 13.]]
** Robert Arryn is a stunted idiot who is entirely dependent on his mother and not very likely to live very long at all. His step-father and bannermen are all vying for the title of Lord Protector so they can rule in hhis stead. [[spoiler:The death of his mother at the hands of Petyr Baelish leads him to become emotionally unstable and he clings to Sansa as a maternal surrogate.]]
** Jon Snow [[spoiler:is made Commander of the Night's Watch at the age of 17. While he is just as honourable as his father and quite a competent leader and strategist for his young age, very few of his older officers respect him. Compounded with mistrust out of his illegitimate birth and his time with the wildlings, his own men eventually stab him and it's left ambiguous whether or not he survives.]]

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** Joffrey Baratheon is a spoiled little sadist who is far more interested in using his power to feed his destructive urges than to do any actual ruling. Even before he became king, everyone saw him as a child tyrant in the making. making and feared what he'd be like on the throne; the answer it turns out is "even worse than they ever imagined". He ordered Ned Stark's execution on a childish whim completely against the urges warnings of his more politically-savvy family, sparking a civil war which devastated much of Westeros and eventually [[spoiler:he is gets poisoned by his own allies at his own wedding at the age of 13.]]
** Robert Arryn is a sickly, stunted idiot who is entirely dependent on his mother and not very likely to live very long at all. His step-father and bannermen are all vying for the title of Lord Protector so they can rule in hhis his stead. [[spoiler:The death of his mother at the hands of Petyr Baelish leads him to become emotionally unstable and he clings to Sansa as a maternal surrogate.]]
** Jon Snow [[spoiler:is made Commander of the Night's Watch at the age of 17. While he is just as honourable as his father and quite a competent leader and strategist for his young age, very few of his older officers respect him. Compounded with mistrust out of his illegitimate birth and his time with the wildlings, he eventually gets betrayed and stabbed by his own men eventually stab him and it's left ambiguous whether or not he survives.]]
19th Nov '16 8:12:38 PM Yukianesa
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', there are several noble youths placed into positions of authority. Daenerys Targaryen, Robb Stark, Jon Snow, Bran Stark, Robert Arryn, Joffrey and Tommen Baratheon are some of the most notable examples. Before the start of the first novel, Renly Baratheon became the Lord of Storm's End when he was around 5 years old. [[DeconstructorFleet Given the nature of the series]], these very rarely end well, and never end completely clean because, despite their upbringings and circumstances, these children rulers still think like...well, children. Cognitive development doesn't speed up just because you have a crown or title. Bran, seven, doesn't see the implications of the political mechanisms around him, despite being WiseBeyondHisYears. Eight year old Tommen proposes outlawing beets because he personally doesn't like them. Robert Arryn, also eight, frequently throws temper tantrums when things don't go his way. Daenerys, Robb, and Jon, being teenagers, have a better grasp on administration and politics, but still rely heavily on counselors and mentors for help. What's more, young rulers are easier to manipulate and amoral adult nobles will swoop down on them like a pack of vultures. The adults aren't perfect, but in general they demonstrate that experience is a necessary component of good governing. As Roose Bolton says, "...boy lords are the bane of any House." Joffrey Baratheon in particular is a flat-out [[TheCaligula Caligula]].

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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', there are several noble youths placed into positions of authority. Daenerys Targaryen, Robb Stark, Jon Snow, Bran Stark, Robert Arryn, Joffrey and Tommen Baratheon are some of the most notable examples. Before the start of the first novel, Renly Baratheon became the Lord of Storm's End when he was around 5 years old. [[DeconstructorFleet Given the nature of the series]], these very rarely end well, and never end completely clean because, despite their upbringings and circumstances, these Naturally]], more often than not {{Deconstructed|Trope}} in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. Being a rather realistic medieval LowFantasy, children rulers still think like...well, children. Cognitive development doesn't speed up just because you have to grow up a crown or title. Bran, seven, doesn't see the implications of the political mechanisms around him, despite being WiseBeyondHisYears. Eight year old Tommen proposes outlawing beets because he personally doesn't like them. Robert Arryn, also eight, frequently throws temper tantrums when things don't go his way. Daenerys, Robb, lot faster both physically and Jon, being teenagers, psychologically than in real life, with disastrous consequences whenever they have a better grasp on administration and politics, but still rely heavily on counselors and mentors for help. What's more, young rulers are easier to manipulate and amoral adult nobles will swoop down on them like a pack take positions of vultures. The adults aren't perfect, but in general they demonstrate that experience is a necessary component of good governing. As Roose Bolton says, "...boy lords are the bane of any House." authority:
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Joffrey Baratheon in particular is a flat-out [[TheCaligula Caligula]].spoiled little sadist who is far more interested in using his power to feed his destructive urges than to do any actual ruling. Even before he became king, everyone saw him as a child in the making. He ordered Ned Stark's execution on a childish whim completely against the urges of his more politically-savvy family, sparking a civil war and eventually [[spoiler:he is poisoned by his own allies at his own wedding at the age of 13.]]
** Robert Arryn is a stunted idiot who is entirely dependent on his mother and not very likely to live very long at all. His step-father and bannermen are all vying for the title of Lord Protector so they can rule in hhis stead. [[spoiler:The death of his mother at the hands of Petyr Baelish leads him to become emotionally unstable and he clings to Sansa as a maternal surrogate.]]
** Jon Snow [[spoiler:is made Commander of the Night's Watch at the age of 17. While he is just as honourable as his father and quite a competent leader and strategist for his young age, very few of his older officers respect him. Compounded with mistrust out of his illegitimate birth and his time with the wildlings, his own men eventually stab him and it's left ambiguous whether or not he survives.]]
** [[spoiler:Tommen Lannister]] is young, timid and signs any decree thrown in front of him, making him quite a doormat and easy to manipulate.
11th Nov '16 10:09:50 PM tropeminer
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* Played with Donald Trump who has the ''physical appearance'' of a man in his 70s yet is regarded as a most despicable, bigoted ManChild in every sense. Still, he was elected a U.S. head of state in 2016 after a brutal campaign rife with scandals and extremely deplorable behavior.
9th Nov '16 5:20:36 AM tropeminer
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* Played with Donald Trump who has the ''physical appearance'' of a man in his 70s yet is regarded as a most despicable, bigoted ManChild in every sense. Still, he was elected a U.S. head of state in 2016 after a brutal campaign rife with scandals and extremely deplorable behavior.
25th Oct '16 7:19:07 AM Wbender14
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** Lexa is only in her late teens, but became the Grounders' Commander because it's believed the spirit of the previous Commander selected her. She's already been in charge for a while when we're first introduced to her, so it's unclear just how young she was when she took command.

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** Lexa is was only in her late teens, but sixteen when she became the Grounders' Commander because it's believed the spirit of the previous Commander selected her. She's already been in charge for a while when we're first introduced to her, so it's unclear just how young she was when she took command.her and is somewhere between 20-22, but is considered by Titus to be the greatest of the four Heda's he has served.
24th Oct '16 2:52:49 PM Catie13
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* In ''VideoGame/UnderTale'' this is implied with the Fallen Child charecter you play as as well as the kings own [[spoiler: adopted]] Child [[spoiler: Chara.]] [[spoiler:spoiler: Asgore asks Frisk to be their ambassador to help human and monster relationships. He also planned to do the same with Chara based on what he said on their death bed, "You are the future of humans and monsters..."]]
16th Oct '16 2:07:37 PM nombretomado
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** [[FireEmblemAkaneia Prince Marth]] of Atlea, TheHero from ''FE 1'', is merely 15 when he starts his adventure, and eventually becomes the ruler of Akaneia.

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** [[FireEmblemAkaneia [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Prince Marth]] of Atlea, TheHero from ''FE 1'', is merely 15 when he starts his adventure, and eventually becomes the ruler of Akaneia.
9th Oct '16 1:02:34 PM SSJMagus
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** When UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte was forced to abdicate his throne as Emperor of the French for the second time in 1815, his 4-year-old son became Napoleon II for 16 days before the Bourbon Dynasty was restored. Since Napoleon II was in Austria at the time, he didn't actually find out that he has briefly been Emperor until years later, though a council ruled in his name for those two weeks.
15th Sep '16 8:14:34 PM PaulA
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* ''ComicBook/{{Prez}}'', a short-lived 1970s comic book, depicts Prez Rickard, the first 18-year-old President of the United States. He's WiseBeyondHisYears and a staunch opponent of the political machine.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Prez}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Prez|1973}}'', a short-lived 1970s comic book, depicts Prez Rickard, the first 18-year-old President of the United States. He's WiseBeyondHisYears and a staunch opponent of the political machine.



* The most recent incarnation of the ''Prez'' comic book features Beth Ross, a teenage girl elected president by Twitter in 2036.

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* The most recent incarnation of the ''Prez'' ''{{ComicBook/Prez|2015}}'' comic book features Beth Ross, a teenage girl elected president by Twitter in 2036.
14th Sep '16 2:28:19 PM nielas
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** Played straight on Bear Island, when [[spoiler:Jon and Sansa go around recruiting to take back Winterfell.]] Lyanna Mormont has become the reigning lady of Bear Island after all her sisters and mother are dead and/or missing.

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** Played straight on Bear Island, when [[spoiler:Jon and Sansa go around recruiting to take back Winterfell.]] Ten year old Lyanna Mormont has become the reigning lady of Bear Island after all her sisters and mother are dead and/or missing.missing. While she does not personally lead her soldiers, she is still present during the battle between [[spoiler: the Stark loyalists and the Boltons]]. During a meeting of the most powerful Northern Lords, she takes charge and shames Lords 5-6 times her age into following her lead and [[spoiler: proclaiming Jon Snow the new King in the North]].
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