History Literature / ZonesOfThought

27th Oct '16 1:27:48 PM SolipSchism
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* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: In ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', Old One is never seen or spoken to directly, instead communicating with the protagonists through Pham Nuwen, who it uses as a sort of [[GodInHumanForm avatar]]. Old One allegedly created Pham Nuwen (though it's later revealed that [[spoiler:it actually just found his remains and reconstituted him]]), who ends up being instrumental in the climax of the novel, and it also provides the protagonists the impetus they need to go to Tines World, but very little information about it is ever actually revealed[[note]]By the end of the novel, exactly three things are known about it: 1. It's a [[PhysicalGod Power]]. 2. It brought Pham back to life to help the protagonists fight the Blight. 3. It gave Pham the Countermeasure. 4. The Blight killed/subverted it.[[/note]]

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* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: In ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', Old One is never seen or spoken to directly, instead communicating with the protagonists through Pham Nuwen, who it uses as a sort of [[GodInHumanForm avatar]]. Old One allegedly created Pham Nuwen (though it's later revealed that [[spoiler:it actually just found his remains and reconstituted him]]), who ends up being instrumental in the climax of the novel, and it also provides the protagonists the impetus they need to go to Tines World, but very little information about it is ever actually revealed[[note]]By the end of the novel, exactly three four things are known about it: 1. It's a [[PhysicalGod Power]]. 2. It brought Pham back to life to help the protagonists fight the Blight. 3. It gave Pham the Countermeasure. 4. The Blight killed/subverted it.[[/note]]
27th Oct '16 1:25:38 PM SolipSchism
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* AndIMustScream: What happens to any [[spoiler:Skroderider]] within the Blight's transmission range. The only one that is freed from control, [[spoiler:Greenstalk]], actually DOES break down screaming after a long period of mute shock and horror. The characters speculate that ''everyone'' in the regions directly overtaken by the Blight lives like this.

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* AndIMustScream: What happens to The Blight can subvert and take over the mind and body of just about any [[spoiler:Skroderider]] within sophont in the Blight's transmission range.Beyond, but whether those beings remain conscious during their possession is left ambiguous. What's ''not'' left ambiguous is what the Blight does to Skroderiders. Skroderiders are basically sentient trees. They can't move around, talk, or even have cognitive processing at the speed of other races without their skrodes, a sort of wheeled electric base that gives them all those abilities. Instead of possessing the skroderiders, the Blight just subverts the skrodes. This effectively means that it controls their bodies, while leaving them totally conscious and aware of what's happening. The only one that is freed from control, [[spoiler:Greenstalk]], actually DOES break down screaming after a long period of mute shock and horror. The characters speculate that ''everyone'' in the regions directly overtaken by the Blight lives might live like this. this.



%%* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.

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%%* * EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from In ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.Deep'', Old One is never seen or spoken to directly, instead communicating with the protagonists through Pham Nuwen, who it uses as a sort of [[GodInHumanForm avatar]]. Old One allegedly created Pham Nuwen (though it's later revealed that [[spoiler:it actually just found his remains and reconstituted him]]), who ends up being instrumental in the climax of the novel, and it also provides the protagonists the impetus they need to go to Tines World, but very little information about it is ever actually revealed[[note]]By the end of the novel, exactly three things are known about it: 1. It's a [[PhysicalGod Power]]. 2. It brought Pham back to life to help the protagonists fight the Blight. 3. It gave Pham the Countermeasure. 4. The Blight killed/subverted it.[[/note]]



* PortmanteauCoupleName: InUniverse and {{Justified|Trope}}; their relationship isn't romantic, but Amdiranifani and Jefri become fast friends early on, and are near-inseparable for the rest of the series. In Tinish culture, a pack has two names, one of which is made up of the names of the individual pack members. Before long, people are almost considering Jefri a part of the pack--thus, people start referring to the team as Amdijefri.



* RenaissanceMan: Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a badass warrior in his/her younger days. Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as badass as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.

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* RenaissanceMan: RenaissanceMan:
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Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a badass warrior in his/her younger days. days.
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Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as badass as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.
25th Oct '16 5:07:50 PM dlchen145
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* RenaissanceMan: Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a BadAss warrior in his/her younger days. Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as BadAss as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.

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* RenaissanceMan: Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a BadAss badass warrior in his/her younger days. Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as BadAss badass as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.
11th Oct '16 6:48:47 PM PaulA
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* BittersweetEnding: ''Children of the Sky'' isn't quite as dark as its prequels, but still makes it clear that its characters still have some ''very'' dangerous foes and obstacles to face in the near future; there are also some bittersweet partings.
** ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', as described above at "Apocalypse How".

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* BittersweetEnding: BittersweetEnding:
** ''A Fire Upon the Deep''. While most of the good guys survive, and so does the planet on which most of the novel unfolded, [[spoiler:an enormous area of High Beyond is converted to Slow Zone. This destroys the Blight, which is dependent on High Beyond technology for its survival. It is also the deathblow for trillions of beings and countless civilizations across a huge swath of the galaxy, whose existences depended on FTL and the same advanced tech as sustained the Blight]].
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''Children of the Sky'' isn't quite as dark as its prequels, but still makes it clear that its characters still have some ''very'' dangerous foes and obstacles to face in the near future; there are also some bittersweet partings.
** ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', as described above at "Apocalypse How".
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* FateWorseThanDeath: Being controlled by the Blight (see AndIMustScream above).

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* FateWorseThanDeath: FateWorseThanDeath:
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Being controlled by the Blight (see AndIMustScream above). Blight.



* LetNoCrisisGoToWaste: The fleet in ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plans to play this straight but with good intentions, but then ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerates it even further]], with ''terrible'' intentions. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated, and much darker, when it is revealed that Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with WarForFunAndProfit, below.

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* LetNoCrisisGoToWaste: The fleet in ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plans to play this straight but with good intentions, but then ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerates it even further]], with ''terrible'' intentions. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated, and much darker, when it is revealed that Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with WarForFunAndProfit, below.



* RobotsThinkFaster: As the nascent Straumli Perversion wakes up in ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', it experiences time passing slower and slower at exponential rates, eventually noting that a minute seems to last longer than all the time it has existed up to that point (which is at least several days). See also TimeDissonance, below.

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* RobotsThinkFaster: As the nascent Straumli Perversion wakes up in ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', it experiences time passing slower and slower at exponential rates, eventually noting that a minute seems to last longer than all the time it has existed up to that point (which is at least several days). See also TimeDissonance, below.



* WarForFunAndProfit: ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plays this pretty straight... and then exaggerates the hell out of it. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated when it is revealed that ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with LetNoCrisisGoToWaste, above.

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* WarForFunAndProfit: ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plays this pretty straight... and then exaggerates the hell out of it. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated when it is revealed that ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with LetNoCrisisGoToWaste, above.
11th Oct '16 6:38:27 PM PaulA
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* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.

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* %%* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.
11th Oct '16 3:53:47 PM SorPepita
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* ApocalypseHow: ''A Fire Upon the Deep'' features a mind-boggling amount of death and destruction. [[spoiler: While most of the good guys survive, and so does the planet on which most of the novel unfolded, an enormous area of High Beyond is converted to Slow Zone. This destroys the Blight, which is dependent on High Beyond technology for its survival. It is also the deathblow for trillions of beings and countless civilizations across a huge swath of the galaxy, whose existences depended on FTL and the same advanced tech as sustained the Blight.]]



* ApocalypseHow: ''A Fire Upon the Deep'' features a mind-boggling amount of death and destruction. [[spoiler: While most of the good guys survive, and so does the planet on which most of the novel unfolded, an enormous area of High Beyond is converted to Slow Zone. This destroys the Blight, which is dependent on High Beyond technology for its survival. It is also the deathblow for trillions of beings and countless civilizations across a huge swath of the galaxy, whose existences depended on FTL and the same advanced tech as sustained the Blight.]]



%%** ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', as described above at "Apocalypse How".

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%%** ** ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', as described above at "Apocalypse How".



%%* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.

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%%* * EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.



%%** [[spoiler: it wasn't that Old One couldn't have invented Pham, Old One had to ''tone him down'' in order to use him.]]

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%%** [[spoiler: it [[spoiler:It wasn't that Old One couldn't have invented Pham, Old One had to ''tone him down'' in order to use him.]]



%%* KillEmAll: Entire star systems at a time

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%%* KillEmAll: Entire star systems at a timetime.



19th Feb '16 12:34:26 PM Theriocephalus
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* AndIMustScream: What happens to any [[spoiler:Skroderider]] within the Blight's transmission range. The only one that is freed from control, [[spoiler:Greenstalk]], actually DOES break down screaming after a long period of mute shock and horror.
** The characters speculate, that ''everyone'' in the regions directly overtaken by the Blight lives like this.

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* AndIMustScream: What happens to any [[spoiler:Skroderider]] within the Blight's transmission range. The only one that is freed from control, [[spoiler:Greenstalk]], actually DOES break down screaming after a long period of mute shock and horror.
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horror. The characters speculate, speculate that ''everyone'' in the regions directly overtaken by the Blight lives like this.
5th Jan '16 4:58:13 AM Wyldchyld
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* CassandraTruth: Flenser invokes this trope during the climax of ''A Fire Upon the Deep'' when [[spoiler: he reveals Steel's true plans to Amdijefri]], though given how cunning and GenreSavvy he is, it's questionable exactly how ''much'' of what he's saying is actually truth.

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* CassandraTruth: Flenser invokes this trope during the climax of ''A Fire Upon the Deep'' when [[spoiler: he reveals Steel's true plans to Amdijefri]], though given how cunning and GenreSavvy he is, it's questionable exactly how ''much'' of what he's saying is actually truth.



* HoistByHisOwnPetard: The villains of the series all get one, despite all being GenreSavvy.

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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: The villains of the series all get one, despite all being GenreSavvy.savvy.
10th Nov '15 3:30:51 PM SolipSchism
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''The Blabber'' is set at at least millennia later, on a human-colonized planet near the top of the Slow Zone. A young man has grown up with a very strange pet who is suddenly an object of intense interest when a shipful of Beyonder sightseers arrive. It was out of print for a long time but is now available in ''The Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge'' (2011).

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''The Blabber'' is set at at least millennia later, on a human-colonized planet near the top of the Slow Zone. A young man has grown up with a very strange pet who is suddenly an object of intense interest when a shipful of Beyonder sightseers arrive. It was out of print for a long time but is now available in ''The Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge'' (2011).
(2001).
2nd Oct '15 2:04:59 PM Draco18s
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* StealthPun: The sentient Tines are made up of multiple individual creatures that come together to form a single, coherent personality. The members usually have meaningless names that are combined to form the pack's full name [[note]]Such as Wickrackrum, a three-member pack made up of "Wick", "Rack", and "Rum"[[/note]]. In ''The Children of the Sky'', Woodcarver gets a new member, a puppy named "Sht", who is considered by several characters to be a bad influence on her overall mind. The pun gets less stealthy when Pilgrim starts referring to the puppy as "that little Sht".

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* StealthPun: The sentient Tines are made up of multiple individual creatures that come together to form a single, coherent personality. The members usually have meaningless names that are combined to form the pack's full name [[note]]Such as Wickrackrum, a three-member four-member pack made up of "Wick", "Rack", "Wic" "Kwk" "Rac" and "Rum"[[/note]]. In ''The Children of the Sky'', Woodcarver gets a new member, a puppy named "Sht", who is considered by several characters to be a bad influence on her overall mind. The pun gets less stealthy when Pilgrim starts referring to the puppy as "that little Sht".
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