History Literature / ZonesOfThought

16th Apr '18 3:21:43 PM Rebu
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* LongGame: At the end of ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', the Blight's fleet has been trapped lightyears away from Tines World, but it's still coming. In ''The Children of the Sky'', Ravna is frantically trying to develop the technology that will allow them to defend themselves or at least escape, but she knows that the humans need to dedicate their resources to certain types of technology, to the exclusion of more immediate concerns like anti-aging and technology that will keep them comfortable. Unfortunately, ''all'' of the other humans were children in an ''extremely'' comfortable society, so they resent this. Ravna's single-minded focus on the LongGame and her mistaken belief that everyone else understands this is what allows [[spoiler:Nevil Storherte]] to stage a political coup, portraying her as unreasonably obsessed with the Blight and removing her from power.

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* LongGame: At the end of ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', the [[spoiler:the Blight's fleet has been trapped lightyears away from Tines World, but it's still coming. coming.]] In ''The Children of the Sky'', Ravna [[spoiler:Ravna is frantically trying to develop the technology that will allow them to defend themselves or at least escape, but she knows that the humans need to dedicate their resources to certain types of technology, to the exclusion of more immediate concerns like anti-aging and technology that will keep them comfortable. Unfortunately, ''all'' of the other humans were children in an ''extremely'' comfortable society, so they resent this. Ravna's single-minded focus on the LongGame and her mistaken belief that everyone else understands this is what allows [[spoiler:Nevil Storherte]] Nevil Storherte to stage a political coup, portraying her as unreasonably obsessed with the Blight and removing her from power.]]
22nd Jan '18 10:26:34 PM zzedar
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'''Ravna:''' Literally, beaurocratic control over the ''Oobii's'' automation. The thing that [[spoiler:Nevil]] didn't understand is that ''Oobii'' is a ''ship''. It must have a captain, and the captain's command must exist independent of administration.

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'''Ravna:''' Literally, beaurocratic bureaucratic control over the ''Oobii's'' automation. The thing that [[spoiler:Nevil]] didn't understand is that ''Oobii'' is a ''ship''. It must have a captain, and the captain's command must exist independent of administration.
7th Jan '18 3:30:38 PM Auvit
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** Later, [[spoiler:the older Lisolet (Qiwi's mom) is killed in rather gruesome (or serene, your mileage may vary) scene.]]

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** Later, [[spoiler:the older Lisolet (Qiwi's mom) is killed in rather gruesome (or serene, your mileage may vary) scene.]]
3rd Jan '18 9:14:11 PM JackG
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* BigBrotherIsWatching: In ''A Deepness in the Sky'', [[spoiler:the Emergents take over the Qeng Ho ships, using thousands of dust sized cameras to watch over the Qeng Ho]].

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* BigBrotherIsWatching: In ''A Deepness in the Sky'', [[spoiler:the Sky'', the Emergents take over the Qeng Ho ships, space fleet by force. LaResistance quickly forms, but one of the rebels discovers too late that the Emergents are watching ''everything'' they do, by using the Focus plague to create SlaveMooks who do nothing but monitor electronic surveillance. Later they take it UpToEleven by using thousands of dust sized dust-sized cameras to watch over the Qeng Ho]].Ho. [[spoiler:Fortunately they don't know the man who originally developed the cameras is in their midst and has a backdoor to the program.]]
8th Aug '17 8:18:34 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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%%* InfantImmortality: Averted.
20th May '17 1:12:13 PM nombretomado
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* AffectionateParody: Of {{Usenet}}, in the otherwise serious ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.

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* AffectionateParody: Of {{Usenet}}, Website/{{Usenet}}, in the otherwise serious ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.



* TheCuckoolanderWasRight: In ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', there's a galaxy-spanning {{Usenet}}-like network where various aliens discuss the crisis, from a number of different perspectives. One particular alien, "Twirlip of the Mists", is talking through several layers of auto-translation software on an extremely low-bandwidth connection, so most of what it says sounds rather bizarre. It's pretty much all exactly right, though, including such apparent nonsense as "hexapodia is the key insight" [[spoiler:since the Skroderiders have six ''wheels'' and are in fact the sleeper agents of the Blight that Twirlip was speculating about.]]

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* TheCuckoolanderWasRight: In ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', there's a galaxy-spanning {{Usenet}}-like Website/{{Usenet}}-like network where various aliens discuss the crisis, from a number of different perspectives. One particular alien, "Twirlip of the Mists", is talking through several layers of auto-translation software on an extremely low-bandwidth connection, so most of what it says sounds rather bizarre. It's pretty much all exactly right, though, including such apparent nonsense as "hexapodia is the key insight" [[spoiler:since the Skroderiders have six ''wheels'' and are in fact the sleeper agents of the Blight that Twirlip was speculating about.]]
27th Oct '16 1:27:48 PM SolipSchism
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* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: In ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', Old One is never seen or spoken to directly, instead communicating with the protagonists through Pham Nuwen, who it uses as a sort of [[GodInHumanForm avatar]]. Old One allegedly created Pham Nuwen (though it's later revealed that [[spoiler:it actually just found his remains and reconstituted him]]), who ends up being instrumental in the climax of the novel, and it also provides the protagonists the impetus they need to go to Tines World, but very little information about it is ever actually revealed[[note]]By the end of the novel, exactly three things are known about it: 1. It's a [[PhysicalGod Power]]. 2. It brought Pham back to life to help the protagonists fight the Blight. 3. It gave Pham the Countermeasure. 4. The Blight killed/subverted it.[[/note]]

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* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: In ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', Old One is never seen or spoken to directly, instead communicating with the protagonists through Pham Nuwen, who it uses as a sort of [[GodInHumanForm avatar]]. Old One allegedly created Pham Nuwen (though it's later revealed that [[spoiler:it actually just found his remains and reconstituted him]]), who ends up being instrumental in the climax of the novel, and it also provides the protagonists the impetus they need to go to Tines World, but very little information about it is ever actually revealed[[note]]By the end of the novel, exactly three four things are known about it: 1. It's a [[PhysicalGod Power]]. 2. It brought Pham back to life to help the protagonists fight the Blight. 3. It gave Pham the Countermeasure. 4. The Blight killed/subverted it.[[/note]]
27th Oct '16 1:25:38 PM SolipSchism
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* AndIMustScream: What happens to any [[spoiler:Skroderider]] within the Blight's transmission range. The only one that is freed from control, [[spoiler:Greenstalk]], actually DOES break down screaming after a long period of mute shock and horror. The characters speculate that ''everyone'' in the regions directly overtaken by the Blight lives like this.

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* AndIMustScream: What happens to The Blight can subvert and take over the mind and body of just about any [[spoiler:Skroderider]] within sophont in the Blight's transmission range.Beyond, but whether those beings remain conscious during their possession is left ambiguous. What's ''not'' left ambiguous is what the Blight does to Skroderiders. Skroderiders are basically sentient trees. They can't move around, talk, or even have cognitive processing at the speed of other races without their skrodes, a sort of wheeled electric base that gives them all those abilities. Instead of possessing the skroderiders, the Blight just subverts the skrodes. This effectively means that it controls their bodies, while leaving them totally conscious and aware of what's happening. The only one that is freed from control, [[spoiler:Greenstalk]], actually DOES break down screaming after a long period of mute shock and horror. The characters speculate that ''everyone'' in the regions directly overtaken by the Blight lives might live like this. this.



%%* EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.

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%%* * EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity: Old One from In ''A Fire Upon the Deep''.Deep'', Old One is never seen or spoken to directly, instead communicating with the protagonists through Pham Nuwen, who it uses as a sort of [[GodInHumanForm avatar]]. Old One allegedly created Pham Nuwen (though it's later revealed that [[spoiler:it actually just found his remains and reconstituted him]]), who ends up being instrumental in the climax of the novel, and it also provides the protagonists the impetus they need to go to Tines World, but very little information about it is ever actually revealed[[note]]By the end of the novel, exactly three things are known about it: 1. It's a [[PhysicalGod Power]]. 2. It brought Pham back to life to help the protagonists fight the Blight. 3. It gave Pham the Countermeasure. 4. The Blight killed/subverted it.[[/note]]



* PortmanteauCoupleName: InUniverse and {{Justified|Trope}}; their relationship isn't romantic, but Amdiranifani and Jefri become fast friends early on, and are near-inseparable for the rest of the series. In Tinish culture, a pack has two names, one of which is made up of the names of the individual pack members. Before long, people are almost considering Jefri a part of the pack--thus, people start referring to the team as Amdijefri.



* RenaissanceMan: Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a badass warrior in his/her younger days. Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as badass as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.

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* RenaissanceMan: RenaissanceMan:
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Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a badass warrior in his/her younger days. days.
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Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as badass as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.
25th Oct '16 5:07:50 PM dlchen145
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* RenaissanceMan: Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a BadAss warrior in his/her younger days. Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as BadAss as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.

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* RenaissanceMan: Woodcarver excels in several form of fine arts and basically invented the scientific approach, revolutionizing much of Tines' culture. On top of that he/she is a competent politician and military leader, and apparently was a BadAss badass warrior in his/her younger days. Pham Nuwen is a legendary trader, space navigator and politician, is very good at Slow Zone-level programming, and is as BadAss badass as they come, particularly when not undermined by advanced age.
11th Oct '16 6:48:47 PM PaulA
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* BittersweetEnding: ''Children of the Sky'' isn't quite as dark as its prequels, but still makes it clear that its characters still have some ''very'' dangerous foes and obstacles to face in the near future; there are also some bittersweet partings.
** ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', as described above at "Apocalypse How".

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* BittersweetEnding: BittersweetEnding:
** ''A Fire Upon the Deep''. While most of the good guys survive, and so does the planet on which most of the novel unfolded, [[spoiler:an enormous area of High Beyond is converted to Slow Zone. This destroys the Blight, which is dependent on High Beyond technology for its survival. It is also the deathblow for trillions of beings and countless civilizations across a huge swath of the galaxy, whose existences depended on FTL and the same advanced tech as sustained the Blight]].
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''Children of the Sky'' isn't quite as dark as its prequels, but still makes it clear that its characters still have some ''very'' dangerous foes and obstacles to face in the near future; there are also some bittersweet partings.
** ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', as described above at "Apocalypse How".
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* FateWorseThanDeath: Being controlled by the Blight (see AndIMustScream above).

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* FateWorseThanDeath: FateWorseThanDeath:
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Being controlled by the Blight (see AndIMustScream above). Blight.



* LetNoCrisisGoToWaste: The fleet in ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plans to play this straight but with good intentions, but then ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerates it even further]], with ''terrible'' intentions. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated, and much darker, when it is revealed that Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with WarForFunAndProfit, below.

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* LetNoCrisisGoToWaste: The fleet in ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plans to play this straight but with good intentions, but then ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerates it even further]], with ''terrible'' intentions. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated, and much darker, when it is revealed that Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with WarForFunAndProfit, below.



* RobotsThinkFaster: As the nascent Straumli Perversion wakes up in ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', it experiences time passing slower and slower at exponential rates, eventually noting that a minute seems to last longer than all the time it has existed up to that point (which is at least several days). See also TimeDissonance, below.

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* RobotsThinkFaster: As the nascent Straumli Perversion wakes up in ''A Fire Upon the Deep'', it experiences time passing slower and slower at exponential rates, eventually noting that a minute seems to last longer than all the time it has existed up to that point (which is at least several days). See also TimeDissonance, below.



* WarForFunAndProfit: ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plays this pretty straight... and then exaggerates the hell out of it. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated when it is revealed that ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with LetNoCrisisGoToWaste, above.

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* WarForFunAndProfit: ''A Deepness in the Sky'' plays this pretty straight... and then exaggerates the hell out of it. A large part of the book is dedicated to exploring the inevitable patterns that always arise in intelligent civilizations; namely, that they self-destruct, especially when they develop nuclear weaponry for the first time. So when the Exiled fleet in secret orbit around the Spider planet almost annihilate ''themselves'' in space warfare, they decide that they'll need to conserve their remaining resources until the Spiders inevitably start a nuclear war amongst themselves. Then they can SaveTheWorld and use that act to foster positive relations with the Spiders, to trade, and to rebuild their own technology as well as improve that of the Spiders. Things get complicated when it is revealed that ManipulativeBastard Tomas Nau's ''actual'' plan is to wait for the war to start, then black out communications across the planet, hijack and redirect the nukes to cause as much damage as possible to population centers and seats of government, nearly annihilate the Spiders and blast their technology back to the Stone Age, then enslave the survivors. Overlaps with LetNoCrisisGoToWaste, above.
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