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Not related to the book (or film of it) ''Literature/EastOfEden''
13th May '15 7:14:11 PM Willbyr
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* RejectionRitual: The banishment of a Yilanè from her city is a low-key version; it can be something fairly formal sounding or something equivalent to a "Get out."
29th Jan '15 2:18:38 PM Willbyr
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* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Enge, and the other Daughters Of Life. They believe that anything that has enough intelligence to understand the concepts of life and death is deserving of the chance to grow and thrive. This philosophy runs extremely counter to the normal, utilitarian-minded Yilanè mindset, and as a result the Daughters are seen as subversive lunatics, shunned at best and outright persecuted at worst. Vaintè frequently has them used as cannon fodder in her hunt for Kerrick; Enge only survives similar treatment because she and Vaintè were broodmates and she has certain skills that Vaintè finds useful.

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* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Enge, Enge and the other Daughters Of Life. They Life believe that anything that has enough intelligence to understand the concepts of life and death is deserving of the chance to grow and thrive. This philosophy runs extremely counter to the normal, utilitarian-minded Yilanè mindset, and as a result the Daughters are seen as subversive lunatics, shunned at best and outright persecuted at worst. Vaintè frequently has them used as cannon fodder in her hunt for Kerrick; Enge only survives similar treatment because she and Vaintè were broodmates and she has certain skills that Vaintè finds useful.



* OutsideContextProblem: The Yilanè have evolved a society with no knowledge of fire, as they have engineered living things to account for everything that fire could do for them. [[spoiler:Kerrick, after realizing this, leads a group of Tanu and Sasku men to Alpèasak and burns the city.]]

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* OutsideContextProblem: The Some more scholarly Yilanè have evolved a know what fire is, but Yilanè society with no knowledge as a whole is completely ignorant of fire, it, as they have engineered living things to account for everything that fire could do for them. [[spoiler:Kerrick, after realizing this, leads a group of Tanu and Sasku men to Alpèasak and burns the city.]]
25th Dec '14 6:34:42 PM Willbyr
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--> "Fat gilded-beetle to be crushed! Decayed worm from the lowest dungpit! Before you stands Ambalasei highest of the high, eistaa[[labelnote:Translation]]Leader of a city.[[/labelnote]] of science, intelligence of the world, possessor of infinite powers. I should sentence you to death for your ill-speaking. I consider that now."

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--> "Fat -->Fat gilded-beetle to be crushed! Decayed worm from the lowest dungpit! Before you stands Ambalasei highest of the high, eistaa[[labelnote:Translation]]Leader of a city.[[/labelnote]] of science, intelligence of the world, possessor of infinite powers. I should sentence you to death for your ill-speaking. I consider that now."



* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The Yilanè's BizarreAlienBiology leads to them having a strange moral compass. For example, lying is impossible (and the concept never even occurs to them until [[spoiler:Vaintè learns about it from Kerrick]]), and they are absolutely loyal to their communities to the point of dying upon exile; exiles who ''don't'' seize up and die are completely insane by Yilanè standards.

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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The Yilanè's BizarreAlienBiology leads to them having a strange moral compass. For example, lying is impossible (and the concept never even occurs to them until [[spoiler:Vaintè [[spoiler:until Vaintè learns about it from Kerrick]]), and they are absolutely loyal to their communities to the point of dying upon exile; exiles who ''don't'' seize up and die are completely insane by Yilanè standards.



* LivingWeapon: ... specifically a genetically modified lizard that shoots poisoned darts.

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* LivingWeapon: ... specifically LivingWeapon: Alpèasak is guarded by all kinds of living traps, but the one that gets the most mention is the hesotsan, a genetically modified monitor lizard that shoots poisoned darts.darts and is the Yilanè's main personal weapon.



* StarfishLanguage: The Yilanè speak in concepts rather than actual words, and the language itself is a '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, postures, gestures with the hands, jaw, and tail, and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as having thousands of separate pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it and are basically ignored by the rest of the community, and Ysel, the girl that was captured with Kerrick, doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she completely botches her attempt to talk and unwittingly insults Vaintè. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.

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* StarfishLanguage: The Yilanè speak in concepts rather than actual words, and the language itself is a '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, postures, gestures with the hands, jaw, and tail, and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as having thousands of separate pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it and are basically ignored by the rest of the community, and community. Ysel, the girl that was captured with Kerrick, doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she completely botches her attempt to talk and unwittingly insults Vaintè. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.
25th Dec '14 2:22:45 PM LahmacunKebab
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* LanguageOfTruth: The nature of Yilanè language and thought processes makes them incapable of lying...[[spoiler:until Vaintè discovers the concept after seeing Kerrick do it]].

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* LanguageOfTruth: The nature of Yilanè language and thought processes makes them incapable of lying... [[spoiler:until Vaintè discovers the concept after seeing Kerrick do it]].



* LivingWeapon: ...specifically a genetically modified lizard that shoots poisoned darts.

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* LivingWeapon: ... specifically a genetically modified lizard that shoots poisoned darts.
8th Sep '14 2:26:56 AM Willbyr
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Set in an AlternateHistory where dinosaurs never went extinct (outside of North America, where modern mammals and eventually humans evolved), the story centers around the conflict between humans and the Yilanè, a race of intelligent amphibious reptiles. The main character, Kerrick, is a human who was raised by Yilanè from childhood after his tribe was wiped out by them, but eventually flees and returns to his people, where he must reacquaint himself with a life he no longer remembers and deal with the suspicions and fears his strange ways cause, while the fallout from his presence reverberates throughout the Yilanè city and influences the fate of its leader.

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Set in an AlternateHistory where dinosaurs never went extinct (outside of North America, where modern mammals and eventually humans evolved), the story centers around the conflict between humans and the Yilanè, a race of intelligent amphibious reptiles. The main character, Kerrick, is a human who was raised by Yilanè from childhood after his tribe was wiped out by them, but eventually flees and returns to his people, where he must reacquaint himself with a life he no longer remembers and deal with the suspicions and fears his strange ways cause, while the fallout from his presence escape reverberates throughout the Yilanè city and influences the fate of its leader.


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* OutsideContextProblem: The Yilanè have evolved a society with no knowledge of fire, as they have engineered living things to account for everything that fire could do for them. [[spoiler:Kerrick, after realizing this, leads a group of Tanu and Sasku men to Alpèasak and burns the city.]]
5th Sep '14 9:05:03 AM Willbyr
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* PunctuationShaker: The Yilanè language is as much about particular gestures and postures as it is sounds, although [[JustifiedTrope the various typographical symbols are intended to represent specific sounds]].
:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she completely botches her attempt to talk and unwittingly insults Vaintè. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates defeat a major force of Yilanè raiders, he rages defiantly at them as the survivors flee, but doesn't realize he's slipped into Yilanè-speak to do this until he notices a friend looking at him funny.

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* PunctuationShaker: The Translated Yilanè language is as much about speech uses four particular gestures and postures as it is sounds, although [[JustifiedTrope the various typographical symbols are intended to represent noted specific sounds]].
:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given
sounds: ' (a glottal stop), < (tock), and ! which is killed when she completely botches her attempt to talk both (click) and unwittingly insults Vaintè. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates defeat a major force of Yilanè raiders, he rages defiantly at them as the survivors flee, but doesn't realize he's slipped into Yilanè-speak to do this until he notices a friend looking at him funny.lip smack.



* StarfishLanguage: The Yilanè speak in concepts rather than actual words, and the language itself is a '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, postures, gestures with the hands, jaw, and tail, and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as having thousands of separate pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it and are basically ignored by the rest of the community. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.

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* StarfishLanguage: The Yilanè speak in concepts rather than actual words, and the language itself is a '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, postures, gestures with the hands, jaw, and tail, and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as having thousands of separate pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it and are basically ignored by the rest of the community.community, and Ysel, the girl that was captured with Kerrick, doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she completely botches her attempt to talk and unwittingly insults Vaintè. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.
5th Sep '14 8:54:47 AM Willbyr
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In ''Winter in Eden'', Kerrick and his lover Armun travel into the frigid northlands and meet the playful, promiscuous Paramutan people, while the cultural and military shifts continue amongst the Yilanè, threatening to completely destabilize their ways of life.

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In ''Winter in Eden'', Kerrick and his lover Armun travel into the frigid northlands and meet the playful, promiscuous Paramutan people, while the cultural and military shifts resulting from the previous book's events continue amongst the Yilanè, threatening to completely destabilize their ways of life.



* ActualPacifist: The Daughters of Life are fundamentally opposed to harming any life form that might be intelligent enough to understand life and death. When Vaintè manipulates some of them into becoming foot soldiers in her hunt for Kerrick, they seize up and die after killing humans in the same way that a regular Yilanè would when exiled from the city.



* AlternativeNumberSystem: Played with. Yilanè numbers are in base 10, but since they only have 8 fingers in total (two fingers and two opposable thumbs per hand) their counting skips from 7 directly to 10.



* DeathByChildbirth: Male Yilanè will not survive their third pregancy.

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* DeathByChildbirth: Male Yilanè have a hard time coming out of the torpid state they enter when carrying eggs, and it's rare that a male will not survive their a third pregancy.trip to the birthing beaches.



* KillItWithFire: [[spoiler:In the climax of ''West of Eden'', Kerrick and some of the other hunters burn Alpèasak to the ground, killing the vast majority of the Yilanè on their continent.]]



* LizardFolk: The Yilanè, human-sized bipedal mosasaurs.

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* LizardFolk: The Yilanè, human-sized bipedal mosasaurs.mosasaurs directly descended from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylosaurus Tylosaurus]].



* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Hardwired into Yilanè biology. If a Yilanè is exiled from its city, its body shuts down. [[spoiler:Some of them, however, are loyal to something other than their city, and their shutdown reflex will occur in response to different stimuli. This is how the first Daughter of Life was able to survive and spread her teachings. The Yilanè are not quite sure how to cope with this.]]
* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Enge, and the other Daughters Of Life. They believe that all life is interconnected and anything that shows the possibility of sentience is deserving of the chance to grow and thrive. This philosophy runs extremely counter to normal utilitarian-minded Yilanè belief systems, and as a result the Daughters are seen as subversive lunatics, shunned at best and outright persecuted at worst. Enge only survives similar treatment because she and Vaintè were broodmates and she has certain skills that Vaintè finds useful.

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* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Hardwired into Yilanè biology. If a Yilanè is exiled from its city, its body shuts down. the mental shock triggers an out-of-control variant of a hibernative state that quickly kills the exile. [[spoiler:Some of them, Yilanè, however, are loyal to something other than their city, and their shutdown reflex will occur in response to different stimuli. This is how the first Daughter of Life was able to survive and spread her teachings. The Yilanè are not quite sure how to cope with this.]]
* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Enge, and the other Daughters Of Life. They believe that all life is interconnected and anything that shows has enough intelligence to understand the possibility concepts of sentience life and death is deserving of the chance to grow and thrive. This philosophy runs extremely counter to normal the normal, utilitarian-minded Yilanè belief systems, mindset, and as a result the Daughters are seen as subversive lunatics, shunned at best and outright persecuted at worst. Vaintè frequently has them used as cannon fodder in her hunt for Kerrick; Enge only survives similar treatment because she and Vaintè were broodmates and she has certain skills that Vaintè finds useful.



* PunctuationShaker: The Yilanè language, although [[JustifiedTrope the various typographical symbols are intended to represent specific sounds]]. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.
:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she unwittingly insults Vaintè. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates find a group of humans killed by Yilanè raiders, he goes into a rage and vows vengeance on them, but slips into Yilanè-speak to do this, which freaks out everyone else.

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* TheProudElite: Many Yilanè that have achieved high status are arrogant and love to lord their knowledge and rank over those below them.
* PunctuationShaker: The Yilanè language, language is as much about particular gestures and postures as it is sounds, although [[JustifiedTrope the various typographical symbols are intended to represent specific sounds]]. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.
sounds]].
:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she completely botches her attempt to talk and unwittingly insults Vaintè. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates find defeat a group major force of humans killed by Yilanè raiders, he goes into a rage and vows vengeance on them, rages defiantly at them as the survivors flee, but slips doesn't realize he's slipped into Yilanè-speak to do this, which freaks out everyone else.this until he notices a friend looking at him funny.



* StarfishLanguage: A '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, positioning/gestures and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as having thousands of separate conceptual pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it.

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* StarfishLanguage: A The Yilanè speak in concepts rather than actual words, and the language itself is a '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, positioning/gestures postures, gestures with the hands, jaw, and tail, and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as having thousands of separate conceptual pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it.it and are basically ignored by the rest of the community. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.



* TranslationConvention: A given, as the English language doesn't actually exist in the setting. The Yilanè's StarfishLanguage is sometimes rendered with odd syntax ("Fish of great size abound. Desire to catch/eat. Will small/soft go with us?"), especially in ''Return to Eden''.

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* TranslationConvention: A given, as the English language doesn't actually exist in the setting. The Yilanè's StarfishLanguage Yilanè have no written language, and any such translation of their speech is sometimes rendered with odd syntax ("Fish a particular challenge, which is acknowledged in the appendices in ''West of Eden''. "Fish of great size abound. Desire to catch/eat. Will small/soft go with us?"), especially in ''Return to Eden''.us?", for example
4th Sep '14 9:21:50 AM Willbyr
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Set in an AlternateHistory where dinosaurs never went extinct (outside of North America, where modern mammals and eventually humans evolved), the story centers around the conflict between humans and the Yilanè, a race of intelligent amphibious reptiles. The main character, Kerrick, is a human who was raised by Yilanè from childhood after his tribe was wiped out by them, but eventually flees and returns to his people, where he must reacquaint himself with a life he no longer remembers and deal with the suspicions and fears his strange ways cause, while the fallout from his presence in Yilanè culture reverberates throughout their culture.

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Set in an AlternateHistory where dinosaurs never went extinct (outside of North America, where modern mammals and eventually humans evolved), the story centers around the conflict between humans and the Yilanè, a race of intelligent amphibious reptiles. The main character, Kerrick, is a human who was raised by Yilanè from childhood after his tribe was wiped out by them, but eventually flees and returns to his people, where he must reacquaint himself with a life he no longer remembers and deal with the suspicions and fears his strange ways cause, while the fallout from his presence in Yilanè culture reverberates throughout their culture.
the Yilanè city and influences the fate of its leader.



* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The Yilanè's BizarreAlienBiology leads to them having a strange moral compass. For example, lying is impossible (and the concept never even occurs to them until [[spoiler: Vaintè learns about it from Kerrick]]), and they are absolutely loyal to their communities to the point of dying upon exile; exiles who ''don't'' seize up and die are completely insane by Yilanè standards.

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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The Yilanè's BizarreAlienBiology leads to them having a strange moral compass. For example, lying is impossible (and the concept never even occurs to them until [[spoiler: Vaintè [[spoiler:Vaintè learns about it from Kerrick]]), and they are absolutely loyal to their communities to the point of dying upon exile; exiles who ''don't'' seize up and die are completely insane by Yilanè standards.



* DeathByChildbirth: Male Yilanè will not survive being pregnant more than three times.

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* DeathByChildbirth: Male Yilanè will not survive being pregnant more than three times.their third pregancy.



* LadyLand: The Yilanè -- females control politics, science, and the military; males are artisans, poets and brood mares.

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* {{Koan}}: Franchise/SherlockHolmes' saying about the truth being what's left when the impossible is eliminated is invoked almost word for word in Vaintè's thoughts as she tries to process [[spoiler:the lie Kerrick told which led to his first escape attempt, or rather, the very concept of being able to say something and it not be the truth]].
* LadyLand: The Yilanè -- females culture is ruled by the females; they control politics, science, and the military; males military, and have free access to the entire city. Males are artisans, poets and brood mares.mares, kept isolated in a particular part of the city and only interacting with females when breeding or on the birthing beaches.



* MisterSeahorse: Yilanè reproduce in a similar manner to, you guessed it, seahorses.
* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Hardwired into Yilanè biology. If a Yilanè is exiled from its city, its body shuts down. [[spoiler:Some of them, however, are loyal to something other than their city, and their shutdown reflex will occur in response to different stimuli. The Yilanè are not quite sure how to cope with this.]]
* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Enge, and the other Daughters Of Life.

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* MisterSeahorse: Yilanè reproduce in a similar manner to, you guessed it, seahorses.
seahorses.
* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Hardwired into Yilanè biology. If a Yilanè is exiled from its city, its body shuts down. [[spoiler:Some of them, however, are loyal to something other than their city, and their shutdown reflex will occur in response to different stimuli. This is how the first Daughter of Life was able to survive and spread her teachings. The Yilanè are not quite sure how to cope with this.]]
* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Enge, and the other Daughters Of Life. They believe that all life is interconnected and anything that shows the possibility of sentience is deserving of the chance to grow and thrive. This philosophy runs extremely counter to normal utilitarian-minded Yilanè belief systems, and as a result the Daughters are seen as subversive lunatics, shunned at best and outright persecuted at worst. Enge only survives similar treatment because she and Vaintè were broodmates and she has certain skills that Vaintè finds useful.



* PunctuationShaker: The Yilanè language, although [[JustifiedTrope the various typographical symbols are intended to represent specific sounds]]. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by.
:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she unwittingly gives an insult. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates find a group of humans killed by Yilanè raiders, he goes into a rage and vows vengeance on them, but slips into Yilanè-speak to do this, which freaks out everyone else.

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* PunctuationShaker: The Yilanè language, although [[JustifiedTrope the various typographical symbols are intended to represent specific sounds]]. Kerrick, lacking a tail, can't accurately make certain movements, but he can fake it well enough to get by.
by, and Enge teaches him a version of the language used for low-light communication which helps even more.
:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she unwittingly gives an insult.insults Vaintè. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates find a group of humans killed by Yilanè raiders, he goes into a rage and vows vengeance on them, but slips into Yilanè-speak to do this, which freaks out everyone else.



* StarfishLanguage: A '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, positioning/gestures and color signals, described as so difficult that many Yilané never even get the hang of it.

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* StarfishLanguage: A '''complicated''' combination of spoken sounds, positioning/gestures and color signals, described in ''West of Eden'' as so difficult that many having thousands of separate conceptual pieces and 125 billion combinations. Many Yilané never even get the hang of it.




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* WouldHurtAChild: This goes both ways. Humans killing a Yilanè male and newborns is what incenses the Yilanè into their extermination efforts. When Kerrick's tribe is slaughtered, Vaintè's examination of a still-living infant human ends with her throwing it against a boulder in revulsion after it screams and pisses down her arm.
18th Aug '14 9:56:39 AM Willbyr
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:: This is played for drama in two separate ways in ''West of Eden''. The girl that was captured along with Kerrick doesn't pay attention to the language lessons they're given and is killed when she unwittingly gives an insult. Later on, after Kerrick and his tribemates find a group of humans killed by Yilanè raiders, he goes into a rage and vows vengeance on them, but slips into Yilanè-speak to do this, which freaks out everyone else.
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