History Literature / VorkosiganSaga

13th Apr '16 8:23:40 AM AnotherGuy
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** Athos is a planet of only men. Offworlders sometimes derisively call it 'The Planet of Fags.' Athosians need not ''necessarily'' be gay, but most members of the culture are [[SituationalSexuality for fairly obvious reasons]].

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** Athos is a planet of only men. Offworlders sometimes derisively call it 'The Planet of Fags.' Athosians need not ''necessarily'' be gay, but most members emigres of the culture are [[SituationalSexuality for fairly obvious reasons]].reasons]]. Their offspring have the same ratio of gay/straight as the rest of the galaxy, however.
13th Apr '16 8:19:45 AM AnotherGuy
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* WhereItAllBegan: ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen'', of the BookEnds variety for Cordelia's story. It begins where the very first chronological Vorkosigan story began in ''Shards of Honor'': Cordelia with a blond officer (Rosemont/Jole) exploring Sergyar. In ''Shards'', it was a freshly discovered planet, in ''Gentleman'', it's a fully established colony. Much reminiscing about the past ensues.

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* WhereItAllBegan: ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen'', of the BookEnds variety for Cordelia's story.variety. It begins where the very first chronological Vorkosigan story began in ''Shards of Honor'': Cordelia with a blond officer (Rosemont/Jole) exploring Sergyar. In ''Shards'', it was a freshly discovered planet, in ''Gentleman'', it's a fully established colony. Much reminiscing about the past ensues.
13th Apr '16 8:19:01 AM AnotherGuy
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* WhereItAllBegan: ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen'', of the BookEnds variety for Cordelia's story. It begins where the very first chronological Vorkosigan story began in ''Shards of Honor'': Cordelia with a blond officer (Rosemont/Jole) exploring Sergyar. In ''Shards'', it was a freshly discovered planet, in ''Gentleman'', it's a fully established colony. Much reminiscing about the past ensues.
12th Apr '16 7:28:57 PM Discar
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* MeetTheInLaws: The first half of ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'' was largely about Tej meeting Ivan's family, starting with disreputable cousin Byerly and ending with Ivan's stepbrother, Emperor Gregor. [[spoiler:The second half was largely about Ivan meeting Tej's family, after they turned out not to be dead after all.]]
5th Apr '16 6:04:02 PM Khathi
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** Ivan, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance.'' He's the military aide to Admiral Desplains, and Tej has him pegged as "a middling Vor officer of middling responsibilities and middling rank. Just middling along." Then Captain Morozov informs her that that's a "charming understatement." Then Ivan starts to introduce her to his family. It's true to say that, by the standards of his relatives, Ivan is middling along in a fairly average fashion. Since his relatives include his wealthy mother who is the Emperor's trusted social advisor (whom Tej estimates would be a Minor House in her own right if she were Jacksonian), two of the greatest military leaders Barrayar has ever known, the youngest Lord Auditor ever appointed (who was also a very important Military leader, in a slightly skewed way), a key behind-the-scenes political player in a triplanetary Empire, the former spymaster for said Empire, and ''The Emperor'' of said Empire, it's also true to say that "middling along" by their standards would be wholly exceptional by anyone else's.

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** Ivan, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance.'' He's the military aide to Admiral Desplains, and Tej has him pegged as "a middling Vor officer of middling responsibilities and middling rank. Just middling along." Then Captain Morozov informs her that that's a "charming understatement." Then Ivan starts to introduce her to his family. It's true to say that, by the standards of his relatives, Ivan is middling along in a fairly average fashion. Since \\
However, since
his relatives include his wealthy mother who is the [[GrandDame Emperor's trusted social advisor advisor]] (whom Tej estimates would be a Minor House in her own right if she were Jacksonian), two of the [[FourStarBadass greatest military leaders Barrayar has ever known, known]], the youngest Lord Auditor ever appointed (who was also a very important Military leader, in a slightly skewed way), a key behind-the-scenes political player in a triplanetary Empire, the former spymaster {{spymaster}} for said Empire, and ''The Emperor'' of said Empire, it's also true to say that "middling along" by their standards would be wholly exceptional by anyone else's.\\
It's safe to say that [[HypercompetentSidekick as a personal secretary]] of the frigging ''Chief Of Naval Opertations'' (Desplains' actual post), and thus a man who decides what Desplains would and what he wouldn't know and whom he would or wouldn't meet, Ivan is actually '''personally running the whole of Barrayar's military'''.
3rd Apr '16 4:13:38 AM Azvolrien
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** Sergyar has [[FunWithAcronyms SWORD]] [[note]]Sex Workers Respect and Dignity Association[[/note]], a prostitution union started by Vicereine Cordelia after the local pimps around Kareenburg started getting out of hand.

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** Sergyar has [[FunWithAcronyms SWORD]] [[note]]Sex Workers Respect and Dignity Association[[/note]], a prostitution union started by Vicereine Cordelia after the local pimps around Kareenburg started getting out of hand. One of Cordelia's aides jokes that SHEATH would be a better name, but nobody could think of words to go with the acronym.
19th Mar '16 4:37:31 PM AnotherGuy
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** Anything dealing with Jackson's Whole, however, will be GreyAndBlackMorality.
19th Mar '16 11:41:46 AM AuraGuardian
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** Usually well averted, but the ending of Mark & Kareen's plot in ''A Civil Campaign'' drifts into this. The officers sent to arrest a man who ''actually ripped a lot of people off'', even if he did it out of naivete, are sent packing by general agreement of the protagonists; even [[TheConscience Ekaterin]] approves. No one expresses any concern for the cheated investors at all.

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** Usually well averted, but the ending of Mark & Kareen's plot in ''A Civil Campaign'' drifts into this. The officers sent to arrest a man who ''actually ripped a lot of people off'', even if he did it out of naivete, are sent packing by general agreement of the protagonists; even [[TheConscience Ekaterin]] approves. No one expresses any concern for the cheated investors at all. Could border on GreyAndGrayMorality, given that there were multiple other people who would be cheated of their money and hard work if he were arrested and the officers were invading a very important Count's house to make the arrest (they didn't have a warrant from the Vorkosigan district).
17th Mar '16 11:28:38 AM Qussow
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* SliceOfLife: ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen'' covers the last few months of Cordelia's time as Vicerine of Sergiar and the associated drama of the fledgling colony world. It was decidedly relaxed for the series, with the only turmoil being emotional in nature and the largest explosion was due to some unfortunately incendiary wildlife, not a dastardly plot on her life... probably. [[ProperlyParanoid There were Cetagandans present at the time, after all]].

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* SliceOfLife: ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen'' covers the last few months of Cordelia's time as Vicerine of Sergiar Sergyar and the associated drama of the fledgling colony world. It was decidedly relaxed for the series, with the only turmoil being emotional in nature and the largest only explosion was due to some unfortunately incendiary wildlife, not a dastardly plot on her life... probably. [[ProperlyParanoid There were Cetagandans present at the time, present, after all]].
16th Mar '16 7:25:54 PM callsignecho
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Usually well averted, but the ending of Mark & Kareen's plot in ''A Civil Campaign'' drifts into this. The officers sent to arrest a man who ''actually ripped a lot of people off'', even if he did it out of naivete, are sent packing by general agreement of the protagonists; even [[TheConscience Ekaterin]] approves. No one expresses any concern for the cheated investors at all.
** However, the officers trying to arrest Enrique did so by engaging in what amounts to an illegal home invasion in foreign territory. Yes, they got stonewalled by local officials due to the Vorkosigan name, but that doesn't mean ''invade a private residence out of your jurisdiction'', especially that of the second most politically significant family on the planet. Frankly, they're lucky all they got was kicked out, as opposed to causing an interstellar incident between Barrayar and Escobar. Imagine if Spanish cops decided to grab someone from the home of a high-ranking Russian politician.
** Not illegal at all, they had a warrant and went through all the Barrayarian red tape with all the signatures needed, except Miles. As far as anyone knew they had every right to be there. Needing Miles permission was more or less a technicality. There was a reason it took so long for them to show up.
*** They're lucky they're ''still alive''. The only two places in Vorbarr Sultana with heavier security are [=ImpSec=] HQ and the Imperial Residence. Indeed, one wonders at the epic amount of good fortune it took those two to so much as get inside the house without being shot fifteen times.
*** There is also the fact that the people on Barrayar who had been helping with the butter bug project had been paid in shares of the nascent company. If Miles had allowed the Escobarans to arrest Enrique, he would have been robbing Ekaterin, Ma Kosti, Kareen, and Martya of income they had rightfully earned. He was faced with a choice between causing harm to ''people he personally knew and liked'' or causing harm to people he had never even met and made the natural choice to decide in favor of those he knew.

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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: ProtagonistCenteredMorality:
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Usually well averted, but the ending of Mark & Kareen's plot in ''A Civil Campaign'' drifts into this. The officers sent to arrest a man who ''actually ripped a lot of people off'', even if he did it out of naivete, are sent packing by general agreement of the protagonists; even [[TheConscience Ekaterin]] approves. No one expresses any concern for the cheated investors at all.
** However, the officers trying to arrest Enrique did so by engaging in what amounts to an illegal home invasion in foreign territory. Yes, they got stonewalled by local officials due to the Vorkosigan name, but that doesn't mean ''invade a private residence out of your jurisdiction'', especially that of the second most politically significant family on the planet. Frankly, they're lucky all they got was kicked out, as opposed to causing an interstellar incident between Barrayar and Escobar. Imagine if Spanish cops decided to grab someone from the home of a high-ranking Russian politician.
** Not illegal at all, they had a warrant and went through all the Barrayarian red tape with all the signatures needed, except Miles. As far as anyone knew they had every right to be there. Needing Miles permission was more or less a technicality. There was a reason it took so long for them to show up.
*** They're lucky they're ''still alive''. The only two places in Vorbarr Sultana with heavier security are [=ImpSec=] HQ and the Imperial Residence. Indeed, one wonders at the epic amount of good fortune it took those two to so much as get inside the house without being shot fifteen times.
*** There is also the fact that the people on Barrayar who had been helping with the butter bug project had been paid in shares of the nascent company. If Miles had allowed the Escobarans to arrest Enrique, he would have been robbing Ekaterin, Ma Kosti, Kareen, and Martya of income they had rightfully earned. He was faced with a choice between causing harm to ''people he personally knew and liked'' or causing harm to people he had never even met and made the natural choice to decide in favor of those he knew.
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*** Bothari qualifies as someone with serious schizophrenic/split personality, raised from the fact ''he himself'' was prostituted as a boy ''by his own mother''. Cordelia and Aral both note that Bothari is a monster, but put in the right situation where he has strict rules, his motivations can be pointed in the right direction.
*** Miles is perfectly aware of Bothari's mental issues and so realizes that Elena Sr. has in fact murdered a fellow victim not a victimizer. It is worth noticing that ''Bothari'' is actually the more stable and recovered of the two. What have the Escobar psychologists been doing anyway?
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