History Literature / Timeline191

19th Apr '16 10:46:58 AM Berrenta
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* GetOnWithItAlready: The aforementioned DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment, combined with [[ViewersAreGoldfish Readers Are Goldfish]].
14th Apr '16 1:30:34 PM CheeseDogX
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The ''Timeline 191'' series is Creator/HarryTurtledove's most sweeping AlternateHistory work so far: Either ten or eleven books (depending on who's counting). Set in a world where the Union failed to intercept a message (Special Order 191, hence the timeline's name) intended for a Confederate officer before Antietam, which resulted in an independent Confederate States of America, complete with slavery. The series proper starts around UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, although the series is sometimes known by the title of its prequel book, ''How Few Remain'', which takes place in the 1880s.

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The ''Timeline 191'' series is Creator/HarryTurtledove's most sweeping AlternateHistory work so far: Either ten or eleven books (depending on who's counting). Set in a world where the Union failed to intercept a message (Special Order 191, hence the timeline's name) intended for a Confederate officer before Antietam, which resulted in an independent Confederate States of America, complete with slavery. The series proper starts around UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, although the series is sometimes known by the title of its prequel book, ''How Few Remain'', which takes place in the 1880s.
1880s. {{Creator/Amazon}}, and possibly others, refer to it as the "Southern Victory" series.
13th Mar '16 7:21:04 PM rtan
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* LaResistance : A LOT, especially the Canadians and Mormons.
** And the Black Marxist guerrillas in the Congaree.

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* LaResistance : A LOT, especially LOT.
** The Mormons are almost constantly in rebellion against
the Canadians and Mormons.
United States, starting in 1881.
** And the Black Marxist guerrillas harass the Confederacy during the Great War, and they are crushed.
** Other black rebellions, driven more by survival than ideology, flare up
in the Congaree.Confederacy thereafter. During the Second Great War, escaped US POWs occasionally join up with these guerrilla bands.
** Canadian patriots rise up at several points during and after the American conquest.
** Freedom Party sympathizers engage in open, armed rebellion against US authorities in territories taken from the Confederacy after the Great War.
** Both the USA and the CSA sponsor rebels and subversives in Kentucky at various points.
** Other, smaller examples include the Mexican Republicans and Native American tribes in Sequoyah during the Great War.
16th Jan '16 4:00:18 AM Anddrix
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** Justified in that when he didn't do this in ''How Few Remain'', people apparentlylost track of who was who. [[ViewersAreMorons And that was a book where]] nearly all the major characters were real historical figures.

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** Justified in that when he didn't do this in ''How Few Remain'', people apparentlylost track of who was who. [[ViewersAreMorons And that was a book where]] where nearly all the major characters were real historical figures.
10th Nov '15 6:05:01 PM nombretomado
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** An especially odd one is two men named Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein who are experts at bugging rooms, despite the real Woodward not yet having been born at the time while Bernstein was only one year old. Turtledove later said that they were added as a joke and identified the third member of their surveillance team as [[spoiler: RichardNixon]].

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** An especially odd one is two men named Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein who are experts at bugging rooms, despite the real Woodward not yet having been born at the time while Bernstein was only one year old. Turtledove later said that they were added as a joke and identified the third member of their surveillance team as [[spoiler: RichardNixon]].UsefulNotes/RichardNixon]].
23rd Sep '15 5:28:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''HowFewRemain'' (1997)

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* ''HowFewRemain'' ''Literature/HowFewRemain'' (1997)



* DolledUpInstallment : Of ''HowFewRemain''... and of actual history.

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* DolledUpInstallment : Of ''HowFewRemain''...''Literature/HowFewRemain''... and of actual history.



* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: ''HowFewRemain'', the first book, is the only standalone novel in the entire series, and it is told completely from the point of view of historical characters [[note]]UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, Frederick Douglass, George Armstrong Custer, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stewart, Alfred von Schlieffen and Creator/MarkTwain, to be exact[[/note]]. Every book after it is part of a continuous arc with an established cast of fictional characters, most of whom are street-level everymen who occasionally act as BeenThereShapedHistory. The 33 year TimeSkip between ''HowFewRemain'' and the rest of the series is also a bit jarring.

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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: ''HowFewRemain'', ''Literature/HowFewRemain'', the first book, is the only standalone novel in the entire series, and it is told completely from the point of view of historical characters [[note]]UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, Frederick Douglass, George Armstrong Custer, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stewart, Alfred von Schlieffen and Creator/MarkTwain, to be exact[[/note]]. Every book after it is part of a continuous arc with an established cast of fictional characters, most of whom are street-level everymen who occasionally act as BeenThereShapedHistory. The 33 year TimeSkip between ''HowFewRemain'' ''Literature/HowFewRemain'' and the rest of the series is also a bit jarring.
7th Sep '15 5:57:17 AM Morgenthaler
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** The CSA has the "[[FailOSuckyname Mule]]" dive bomber (a.k.a. "[[AwesomeMcCoolName The Asskicker]]"), a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuka Ju-87 Stuka]] with the serial numbers filed off.

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** The CSA has the "[[FailOSuckyname "[[UnfortunateNames Mule]]" dive bomber (a.k.a. "[[AwesomeMcCoolName The Asskicker]]"), a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuka Ju-87 Stuka]] with the serial numbers filed off.
16th Aug '15 5:26:49 PM nombretomado
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* SeparatedByACommonLanguage and AmericanAccents: The differences in accents and regionalisms is discussed a few times. Clarence Potter runs the Confederacy's spying operations in World War II and mostly recruits people who lived or were educated up North (like himself) and thus don't have Southern accents. In another segment, two Confederate [=POWs=] are planning an escape, and one teaches the other some Northern turns of phrase ("carrying a bucket" versus "toting a pail") to help blend in after they break out.

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* SeparatedByACommonLanguage and AmericanAccents: UsefulNotes/AmericanAccents: The differences in accents and regionalisms is discussed a few times. Clarence Potter runs the Confederacy's spying operations in World War II and mostly recruits people who lived or were educated up North (like himself) and thus don't have Southern accents. In another segment, two Confederate [=POWs=] are planning an escape, and one teaches the other some Northern turns of phrase ("carrying a bucket" versus "toting a pail") to help blend in after they break out.
2nd Jul '15 2:16:51 PM Edgehopper
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Added DiffLines:

** Many are old enough, few are literal grandparents. Cincinattus Driver literally is. Clarence Potter, Abner Dowling, and Sam Carsten are old enough and badass enough, but never had kids. Jonathan Moss is one of the most badass, but [[spoiler:his wife and daughter were killed by Mary Pomeroy's bomb]]. Irving Morrell and Flora Hamburger/[[spoiler:Blackford]] aren't yet but likely will be shortly after the end of the series. Edna Grimes is in that group too, but she's hardly a "badass."
30th Jun '15 8:33:23 PM esq263
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: The issue of women working outside the home is addressed in the Great War trilogy, with people who oppose this being more than sexist caricatures who want to keep women in their place. In ''American Front'', it is revealed that, if a married woman works outside the home, society will assume that her husband is a deadbeat who isn't good enough to provide for his family the way he should. Furthermore, in the absence of laws against sexual harassment, women who work outside the home are vulnerable to unwanted sexual advances. Specifically, Sylvia, who has to work outside the home, refuses the advances of her boss and subsequently faces retaliation, ultimately needing to find a new job. Her colleague, Isabella, gives in to these advances and becomes pregnant. [[spoiler: In a later novel, it is revealed that the boss dumped her and she was driven to prostitution.]]

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: The issue of women working outside the home is addressed in the Great War trilogy, with people who oppose this being more than sexist caricatures who want to keep "keep women in their place.place". In ''American Front'', it is revealed that, if a married woman works outside the home, society will assume that her husband is a deadbeat who isn't good enough to provide for his family the way he should. Furthermore, in the absence of laws against sexual harassment, women who work outside the home are vulnerable to unwanted sexual advances. Specifically, Sylvia, who has to work outside the home, refuses the advances of her boss and subsequently faces retaliation, ultimately needing to find a new job. Her colleague, Isabella, gives in to these advances and becomes pregnant. [[spoiler: In a later novel, it is revealed that the boss dumped her and she was driven to prostitution.]]
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