History Literature / TheWindsOfWarAndWarAndRemembrance

27th Oct '17 5:23:56 PM gurkle2
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* MrExposition: General Von Roon's main purpose is to provide the reader with quick overall summaries of the major battles of the war, so we'll know what's going on in the story.


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** However, in keeping with Roon's status as MrExposition, we're told that his summaries of the war's major events are mostly accurate, and where he gets things wrong, an editor's note is provided to tell us.
30th Jun '17 12:40:17 PM businka
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* AndTheAdventureContinues: Of a slightly morbid variety. With the war over and the family miraculously reunited, Ali is free to return to US and lead a safe and privileged life with Byron and their son. However, she has learned the lesson that Jews will never be safe relying on protection of others, so she heads to Palestine, instead, to join the fight for new Jewish state.

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* AndTheAdventureContinues: [[spoiler: Of a slightly morbid variety. With the war over and the family miraculously reunited, Ali is free to return to US and lead a safe and privileged life with Byron and their son. However, she has learned the lesson that Jews will never be safe relying on protection of others, so she heads to Palestine, instead, to join the fight for new Jewish state. ]]
30th Jun '17 12:39:40 PM businka
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* AndTheAdventureContinues: Of a slightly morbid variety. With the war over and the family miraculously reunited, Ali is free to return to US and lead a safe and privileged life with Byron and their son. However, she has learned the lesson that Jews will never be safe relying on protection of others, so she heads to Palestine, instead, to join the fight for new Jewish state.
3rd Jan '17 11:36:52 PM MoonlightBomber
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-->''The beginning of the end of War lies in Remembrance''

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-->''The beginning of the end of War lies in Remembrance''Remembrance.''



This is a historical [[TheEpic epic]] of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII set in two volumes, ''The Winds of War'', and ''War and Remembrance'', by Herman Wouk. It follows the Henry family and their friends around the world during the war. In effect, it is a "sight-seeing" tour, in which we are shown the war from as many perspectives as the author can manage. It has been called a World War II version of ''Literature/WarAndPeace'' and both volumes were later made into TV miniseries.

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This is a historical [[TheEpic epic]] of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII set in two volumes, ''The Winds of War'', War'' and ''War and Remembrance'', both by Herman Wouk. It follows the Henry family and their friends around the world during the war. In effect, it is a "sight-seeing" tour, in which we are shown the war from as many perspectives as the author can manage. It has been called a World War II version of ''Literature/WarAndPeace'' ''Literature/WarAndPeace''; and both volumes were later made into TV miniseries.



* AbsentMindedProfessor : Aaron Jastrow. While he could be pardoned for not believing rumors [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt of the Holocaust]], he could at least have figured out that being in Europe ''during a major war'' might not be be prudent.

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* AbsentMindedProfessor : AbsentMindedProfessor: Aaron Jastrow. While he could be pardoned for not believing rumors [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt of the Holocaust]], he could at least have figured out that being in Europe ''during a major war'' might not be be prudent.



* {{Ambadassador}} : Victor, in the first volume. In much of the second too.

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* {{Ambadassador}} : {{Ambadassador}}: Victor, in the first volume. In much of the second too.



* BadassGrandpa: Victor. Literally as he is in fact a grandpa through much of the series.
* BigBad : UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, obviously.
* BrilliantButLazy: Byron Henry is obviously brilliant, but introduced as directionless failed-art student.
* TheCaptain: Victor Henry
** Also TheGoodCaptain

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* BadassGrandpa: Victor. Literally Literally, as he is in fact fact, a grandpa through much of the series.
* BigBad : BigBad: UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, obviously.
* BrilliantButLazy: Byron Henry is obviously brilliant, but introduced as a directionless failed-art student.
* TheCaptain: Victor Henry
Henry.
** Also TheGoodCaptainHe's also TheGoodCaptain.



* {{Doorstopper}}

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* {{Doorstopper}}{{Doorstopper}}: The original ''The Winds of War'' novel had to be split into two volumes in order to give more detail on the attack on Pearl Harbor, which took Wouk 1000 pages.



* EmpireWithADarkSecret : The series contains graphic scenes of the Holocaust.

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* EmpireWithADarkSecret : EmpireWithADarkSecret: The series contains graphic scenes of the Holocaust.



* FinalBattle: Leyte Gulf
* ForegoneConclusion : Yes, the Allies won World War II . No, seriously.
* GlamorousWartimeSinger: Madeline Henry

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* FinalBattle: Leyte Gulf
Gulf.
* ForegoneConclusion : ForegoneConclusion: Yes, the Allies won World War II .II. No, seriously.
* GlamorousWartimeSinger: Madeline Henry Henry.



* HistoricalDomainCharacter : Many

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* HistoricalDomainCharacter : Many HistoricalDomainCharacter: As the novels are based on real history, many real-life personalities had to appear as a requirement.



* HumbleHero: Victor is perfectly willing to let others get the glory as long as the war is won..
* InsufferableGenius: Von Roon, a German staff officer whom Victor translates years after the war. He is exasperatingly full of MoralMyopia(and even MoralMyopia about other people's MoralMyopia), contemptuous of his enemies, and determined to show in a very calm and professional manner how it was ''all everyone elses fault''. After reading him, you dislike him not just as a Nazi, but as a person. That, of course, was the author's intention.
** Victor in the "commentary" [[DeadpanSnarker sardonically notes]] that he has a habit of [[FridgeLogic "Blaming other countries for getting invaded by the Germans."]]

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* HumbleHero: Victor is perfectly willing to let others get the glory as long as the war is won..
won.
* InsufferableGenius: Von Roon, a German staff officer whom Victor translates years after the war. He is exasperatingly full of MoralMyopia(and MoralMyopia (and even MoralMyopia about other people's MoralMyopia), contemptuous of his enemies, and determined to show in a very calm and professional manner how it was ''all everyone elses else's fault''. After reading him, you dislike him not just as a Nazi, but as a person. That, of course, was the author's intention.
** Victor in the "commentary" [[DeadpanSnarker sardonically notes]] that he has a habit of [[FridgeLogic "Blaming "blaming other countries for getting invaded by the Germans."]]



* LaResistance : Natalie becomes a member of this.
* LargeHam: Stephen Berkhoff as Hitler. Of course, {{Truth In Television}} here.

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* LaResistance : LaResistance: Natalie becomes a member of this.
* LargeHam: Stephen Berkhoff Steven Berkoff as Hitler. Of course, {{Truth In Television}} here. Here's a sample of his lines:
-->'''Hitler''': Betrayed, double-crossed, deceived, surrounded by '''LIARS'''!!\\
'''Hitler''': I can no longer go on! I shall... die... in... Berlin! The war is '''LOST'''! Lost! Lost! Lost! Stupid, incompetent '''idioooooooooooots'''!



* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: Including, Victor Henry, his wife Rhoda, his sons Warren and Byron, and his daughter Madeline. Also including a number of other important characters from an another family, as well as many a HistoricalDomainCharacter of the time.

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* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: Including, Including... Victor Henry, his wife Rhoda, his sons Warren and Byron, and his daughter Madeline. Also including a number of other important characters from an another family, as well as many a HistoricalDomainCharacter of the time.



* MatzoFever: Natalie Jastrow, the love interest(and wife) of Byron Henry.

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* MatzoFever: Natalie Jastrow, the love interest(and interest (and wife) of Byron Henry.



* TheOtherDarrin: Several roles were recast between the two miniseries, often with bigger names like John Gielgud, Jane Seymour, and Robert Morley.



* ThePatriarch :Victor Henry

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* ThePatriarch :Victor HenryThePatriarch: Victor Henry.



** Pamela is a sympathetic attempted adulterer. Rhoda is an [=UNsympathetic=] adulterer-she has a rather unlikable personality to begin with.

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** Pamela is a sympathetic attempted adulterer. Rhoda is an [=UNsympathetic=] adulterer-she adulterer -- she has a rather unlikable personality to begin with.



* TheseHandsHaveKilled : Byron, in order to have an excuse to visit his wife and son in Europe gets a job inspecting [[{{Plunder}} captured German submarines]]. A [[BadassIsraeli Zionist agent]] who had protected his family is shocked at the idea of him working with former German submariners. Byron says that they were [[PunchClockVillain just professional naval officers]]. Whereupon the agent says "They're murderers". And Byron said, "So am I."
* ThoseWackyNazis
* TookALevelInBadass : Byron evolves from a rather lazy character into a submarine ace.

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* TheseHandsHaveKilled : TheseHandsHaveKilled: Byron, in order to have an excuse to visit his wife and son in Europe gets a job inspecting [[{{Plunder}} captured German submarines]]. A [[BadassIsraeli Zionist agent]] who had protected his family is shocked at the idea of him working with former German submariners. Byron says that they were [[PunchClockVillain just professional naval officers]]. Whereupon the agent says "They're murderers". And Byron said, "So am I."
* ThoseWackyNazis
ThoseWackyNazis: This being a World War II novel, Hitler and his posse are mandatory inclusions.
* TookALevelInBadass : TookALevelInBadass: Byron evolves from a rather lazy character into a submarine ace.



* UnreliableNarrator : Von Roon. Fairly obvious given his [[ThoseWackyNazis former employers]].
* VillainousBreakdown: In the film adaptation of War and Rememberance, Hitler has an ''[[LargeHam exceptionally epic]]'' one when informed that Steiner could not [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huf9JUibW0E muster reinforcements to come to Berlin's aid.]]
** [[EvenEvilHasStandards even]] [[WebVideo/HitlerRants Downfall Hitler]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJVX5OPrGFU thinks he's crazy]].
* WarIsHell / WarIsGlorious: Yes the book manages both. Not as uncommon as it sounds.
* [[CrimeTimeSoap War Time Soap]] : The books are rather soapy in many ways.

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* UnreliableNarrator : UnreliableNarrator: Von Roon. Fairly obvious given his [[ThoseWackyNazis former employers]].
* VillainousBreakdown: In the film TV miniseries adaptation of War ''War and Rememberance, Rememberance'', Hitler has an ''[[LargeHam exceptionally epic]]'' one when he's informed that Steiner could not [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huf9JUibW0E muster reinforcements to come to Berlin's aid.]]
** [[EvenEvilHasStandards even]] Even]] [[WebVideo/HitlerRants Downfall Hitler]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJVX5OPrGFU thinks he's crazy]].
* WarIsHell / WarIsGlorious: Yes Yes, the book manages both. Not as uncommon as it sounds.
* [[CrimeTimeSoap War Time Soap]] : Soap]]: The books are rather soapy in many ways.
2nd Dec '16 4:06:27 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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23rd Sep '16 3:46:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* WorthyOpponent: While America is still neutral Victor comments to a German naval officer that he seemed so familiar a specimen of a naval officer that Victor might have met him in the [[WorldWarI last war]]. The German officer [[{{Irony}} wryly]] replies [[FriendlyEnemy "Maybe we did."]]

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* WorthyOpponent: While America is still neutral Victor comments to a German naval officer that he seemed so familiar a specimen of a naval officer that Victor might have met him in the [[WorldWarI [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI last war]]. The German officer [[{{Irony}} wryly]] replies [[FriendlyEnemy "Maybe we did."]]
1st Aug '16 5:34:06 AM Morgenthaler
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This is a historical [[TheEpic epic]] of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII set in two volumes, ''The Winds of War'', and ''War and Remembrance'', by Herman Wouk. It follows the Henry family and their friends around the world during the war. In effect, it is a "sight-seeing" tour, in which we are shown the war from as many perspectives as the author can manage. It has been called a World War II version of ''WarAndPeace'' and both volumes were later made into TV miniseries.

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This is a historical [[TheEpic epic]] of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII set in two volumes, ''The Winds of War'', and ''War and Remembrance'', by Herman Wouk. It follows the Henry family and their friends around the world during the war. In effect, it is a "sight-seeing" tour, in which we are shown the war from as many perspectives as the author can manage. It has been called a World War II version of ''WarAndPeace'' ''Literature/WarAndPeace'' and both volumes were later made into TV miniseries.
24th Jan '16 5:06:48 PM Morgenthaler
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* ForcesWithFirepower: Any belligerent.



* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII

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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII
4th Oct '15 5:53:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* AmericaWinsTheWar: Not quite; the role of the Soviets is acknowledged and Victor visits the USSR. But most of the main characters are Americans.
** The Contribution of the British Commonwealth is made aware particularly in the early years of the war. Victor makes it a key point of making sure how vital it is to keep the British going if the war is to be won.
14th Aug '15 7:25:07 PM SCE2AUX
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*IvyLeagueForEveryone: Victor and Warren both went to the US Naval Academy. Leslie Slote went to Yale and then to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Natalie graduated from Radcliffe, Harvard's sister college. Even Byron managed to graduate from Columbia with a Naval Reserve commission.
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