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8th May '17 10:05:58 AM morane
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* TheParagonAlwaysRebels: First Melkor and Sauron, [[NotSoDifferent then Fëanor]], then the [[RageAgainstTheHeaven Númenóreans]]. Each was the greatest created member of their species in power and potential, but it went to their heads in bad ways.

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* TheParagonAlwaysRebels: First Melkor and Sauron, [[NotSoDifferent then Fëanor]], then the [[RageAgainstTheHeaven Númenóreans]].Númenóreans]] and, finally, Saruman. Each was the greatest created member of their species in power and potential, but it went to their heads in bad ways.
8th May '17 9:53:33 AM morane
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* OutlivingOnesOffspring: Noldorin High King Finarfin, ''in spades''. His whole family (sans his daughter Galadriel) gets killed, and Finarfin (who presumably still rules the Noldor in Aman) outlives both his brothers (Fëanor and Fingolfin), their children and ''their grandchildren''. He also has outlived his great-granddaughter Arwen, who chose the part of a mortal woman.
6th Mar '17 6:47:55 PM mlsmithca
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* ThePowerOfLove: Allows Beren and Lúthien to take on Sauron (and Morgoth) and nab a Silmaril. ThePowerOfLove, plus BabiesEverAfter (half-elf, half-angel), plus BecauseDestinySaysSo, EarnYourHappyEnding ''twice'', and more. Tolkien also wrote the story not only in prose versions, but as a (sadly, unfinished) poem over six thousand lines long, in faultless octosylllabic rhyming verse, and it's SoCoolItsAwesome.\\

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* ThePowerOfLove: Allows Beren and Lúthien to take on Sauron (and Morgoth) and nab a Silmaril. ThePowerOfLove, plus BabiesEverAfter (half-elf, half-angel), plus BecauseDestinySaysSo, EarnYourHappyEnding ''twice'', and more. Tolkien also wrote the story not only in prose versions, but as a (sadly, unfinished) poem over six thousand lines long, in faultless octosylllabic rhyming verse, and it's SoCoolItsAwesome.awesome.\\
26th Feb '17 10:33:45 AM Tarlonniel
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* MeaningfulRename: Túrin gave himself many aliases to hide his identity, usually obliquely referring to whatever horrible thing had last happened to him: i.e. Neithan (the Wronged), Agarwaen (the Blood-Stained), Turambar (Master of Doom). [[spoiler:By doom mastered]]

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Túrin gave himself many aliases to hide his identity, usually obliquely referring to whatever horrible thing had last happened to him: i.e. Neithan (the Wronged), Agarwaen (the Blood-Stained), Turambar (Master of Doom). [[spoiler:By doom mastered]]
26th Feb '17 10:22:28 AM Tarlonniel
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* LastStand: [[YouShallNotPass Acting as the rearguard]] for Turgon and the companies of Gondolin who are trying to escape the Nírnaeth Arnoediad both safely and secretly, Húrin and his people hold the Fens of Serech again a monstrous onslaught of enemies for days on end, killing so many that eventually the Orcs bridge the river ''with their own dead''. The group, consisting of almost the entirety of the menfolk of the House of Hador do this knowing full well that they cannot survive but defying the heck out of Morgoth because that's just how badass they are.

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* LastStand: [[YouShallNotPass LastStand:
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Acting as the rearguard]] for Turgon and the companies of Gondolin who are trying to escape the Nírnaeth Arnoediad both safely and secretly, Húrin and his people hold the Fens of Serech again a monstrous onslaught of enemies for days on end, killing so many that eventually the Orcs bridge the river ''with their own dead''. The group, consisting of almost the entirety of the menfolk of the House of Hador do this knowing full well that they cannot survive but defying the heck out of Morgoth because that's just how badass they are.



* LightIsGood / LightIsNotGood: Usually light is a metaphor and literal, physical tool of the forces of goodness in the world, especially the Valar, and evil creatures such as orcs cannot endure sunlight. But occasionally looks can deceive; during the Second Age, Sauron's preferred form is that of a beautiful angelic being (Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts"); it is in this form that he deceives the Elves into forging the Rings of Power and later subverts Númenórë. Melkor's eyes also originally "pierced with a deadly light."

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* LightIsGood / LightIsNotGood: LightIsGood: Usually light is a metaphor and literal, physical tool of the forces of goodness in the world, especially the Valar, and evil creatures such as orcs cannot endure sunlight. But occasionally sunlight.
* LightIsNotGood: Occasionally
looks can deceive; during the Second Age, Sauron's preferred form is that of a beautiful angelic being (Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts"); it is in this form that he deceives the Elves into forging the Rings of Power and later subverts Númenórë. Melkor's eyes also originally "pierced with a deadly light."



* ShockingDefeatLegacy: The Battle Of Unnumbered Tears. It begins as a noble effort of the Elves, Men, and Dwarves to finish Morgoth once and for all. It's the first coalition of all the races together to fight Morgoth, and the greatest army seen so far in the world outside of the gods. It gets crushed so badly and so many people die that Morgoth literally makes a hill out of the corpses. The worst part is that they probably never had a chance. And things get so much worse from there.

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The Battle Of Unnumbered Tears. It begins as a noble effort of the Elves, Men, and Dwarves to finish Morgoth once and for all. It's the first coalition of all the races together to fight Morgoth, and the greatest army seen so far in the world outside of the gods. It gets crushed so badly and so many people die that Morgoth literally makes a hill out of the corpses. The worst part is that they probably never had a chance. And things get so much worse from there.



*** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tolkiengrab.jpg So could this]]. Awwwww. (The tale of Beren and Lúthien does take a few elements from Tolkien's own relationship with his wife Edith; particularly significant to him was her [[ConvertingForLove conversion to Catholicism]] despite the trouble it gave her. The comparison with Lúthien's giving up her immortality as an elf for an uncertain fate with Beren is clear.)



* XanatosGambit / GambitRoulette / BatmanGambit / ISurrenderSuckers: It's a long {{plan}} and so it involves a lot of different plans.

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* XanatosGambit / GambitRoulette / BatmanGambit / ISurrenderSuckers: XanatosGambit: It's a long {{plan}} and so it involves a lot of different plans.
26th Feb '17 10:10:54 AM Tarlonniel
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** Turin Turambar. Yes, I know he has the curse of Morgoth on him but if he'd had stopped wangsting for just five minutes and actually ''thought'' about what he was doing he wouldn't have become the PersonOfMassDestruction who managed to kill just about everybody who ever cared about him - not to mention a whole Elven kingdom.

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** Turin Turambar. Yes, I know he has the curse of Morgoth on him him, but if he'd had stopped wangsting for just five minutes and actually ''thought'' about what he was doing he wouldn't have become the PersonOfMassDestruction who managed to kill just about everybody who ever cared about him - not to mention a whole Elven kingdom.
26th Feb '17 10:04:01 AM Tarlonniel
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* GoodCannotComprehendEvil: It is said that the Valar don't understand Morgoth's evil, and explicitly didn't understand it was incurable.

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It is said that the Valar don't understand Morgoth's evil, and explicitly didn't understand it was incurable.



** And in the Akallabêth, Manwë learns the hard way that Edain often take benefits for granted and feel entitled to more.

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** And in In the Akallabêth, Manwë learns the hard way that Edain often take benefits for granted and feel entitled to more.



* HeirClubForMen: Númenórë, until Queen Ancalimë.

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* HeirClubForMen: HeirClubForMen:
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Númenórë, until Queen Ancalimë.



* HeWhoFightsMonsters / JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope

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* HeWhoFightsMonsters / JumpingOffTheSlipperySlopeHeWhoFightsMonsters:
26th Feb '17 9:57:42 AM Tarlonniel
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* FlyingDutchman: In the published version, Maglor, one of the sons of Feanor, threw the Silmaril he'd stolen into the sea and possibly wanders till today singing. In Tolkien's latest versopm, Maglor jumped into the sea together with the Silmaril.

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* FlyingDutchman: In the published version, Maglor, one of the sons of Feanor, threw the Silmaril he'd stolen into the sea and possibly wanders till today singing. In Tolkien's latest versopm, version, Maglor jumped into the sea together with the Silmaril.
26th Feb '17 9:51:46 AM Tarlonniel
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** Fëanor really genuinely loved his father a great deal, as both mother and father (since his mother died in his childhood). And he took his great regard for his mother to absurd lengths when he made a big political stink over [[SpellMyNameWithAnS dialectal differences in pronouncing her name]] and assumed the change was a giant conspiracy to besmirch her.
*** Lampshaded, when Fëanor learns of his father's death: "For his father was dearer to him than the Light of Valinor or the peerless works of his hands; and who among sons, of Elves or of Men, have held their fathers of greater worth?"

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** Fëanor really genuinely loved his father a great deal, as both mother and father (since his mother died in his childhood). And he took his great regard for his mother to absurd lengths when he made a big political stink over [[SpellMyNameWithAnS dialectal differences in pronouncing her name]] and assumed the change was a giant conspiracy to besmirch her.
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her. Lampshaded when Fëanor learns of his father's death: "For his father was dearer to him than the Light of Valinor or the peerless works of his hands; and who among sons, of Elves or of Men, have held their fathers of greater worth?"



* ExactWords: When Thingol was trying to get Lúthien to reveal the name of her lover, he promised that if she told him, her lover would be neither killed nor imprisoned, or as Thingol put it, "Neither blade nor chain his flesh shall mar." When he finds out that her lover is the mortal Beren, he tries to weasle out of that oath, first by threatening to imprison Beren in a labyrinth where he technically wouldn't be chained, then by [[UriahGambit sending Beren to fetch one of the Silmarils]].
** Whereupon Beren promises Thingol that when they meet again his hand will hold a Silmaril. [[spoiler:He doesn't specify whether the hand will still be attached to his arm.]]

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* ExactWords: ExactWords:
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When Thingol was trying to get Lúthien to reveal the name of her lover, he promised that if she told him, her lover would be neither killed nor imprisoned, or as Thingol put it, "Neither blade nor chain his flesh shall mar." When he finds out that her lover is the mortal Beren, he tries to weasle out of that oath, first by threatening to imprison Beren in a labyrinth where he technically wouldn't be chained, then by [[UriahGambit sending Beren to fetch one of the Silmarils]].
** Whereupon Beren promises Thingol that when they meet again his hand will hold a Silmaril. [[spoiler:He doesn't specify whether the hand will still be attached to his arm.]]
26th Feb '17 9:36:51 AM Tarlonniel
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* AntiHeroSubstitute / {{Foil}} / ShadowArchetype: Túrin is arguably this for his cousin Tuor:
** The two are sons of two warrior brothers, Húrin and Huor.
** They each earn a name for themselves in a hidden Noldor city which later falls (Nargothrond/Gondolin), while earning the love of a local Elven princess (Finduilas/Idril).
** In the troubles of both, there is an incestuous motif - Túrin [[spoiler: unwittingly falls in love with and weds his long-lost sister]], while Tuor's wife is desired by her cousin who out of jealousy betrays Gondolin and causes its fall.
** During the sackings of Nargothrond and Gondolin, respectively, both Túrin and Tuor confront a great dragon - Glaurung and the Beast of Gondolin.
** The differences between them make them {{Foil}} to each other, with Tuor being TheHero and Túrin being a TragicHero:
*** Túrin is TallDarkAndSnarky as well as DarkIsNotEvil, while Tuor could be described with HairOfGoldHeartOfGold and LightIsGood.
*** Túrin is directed by the curse of Morgoth; Tuor is directed by the commands of Ulmo, Valar of the seas.
*** Túrin has two [[LoveHurts tragic love interests]]: Finduilas the princess of Nargothrond, who CannotSpitItOut to him and ends up enslaved and killed while he is paralyzed by Glaurung, and later [[spoiler: his own lost sister]] Niniel, who he finds amnesiac on Finduilas' grave. Tuor, meanwhile, is HappilyMarried to Idril.
*** Túrin, due to his DarkAndTroubledPast, is seen as dangerous, if a powerful ally, in Nargothrond. Finduilas' ex-lover Gwindor tells her that Túrin is "not [[TheHero Beren]]". Tuor, on the other hand, is accepted by the people of Gondolin as one of them and King Turgon is happy to have him married to his daughter, explicitly referencing Beren and Lúthien's union as a reason to do so.
*** Túrin's WeaponOfChoice is a [[HeroesPreferSwords sword]] of ThunderboltIron, but it is an EvilWeapon and its most notorious killings are those of Beleg, Túrin's friend, Brandir, a jealous but [[CassandraTruth true-speaking]] suitor of Niniel and Túrin himself; Tuor wields [[AnAxeToGrind a great axe]].
** Both of them kill someone who was in love with their wife. However Brandir was a rather pleasant man who Turin murdered in a rage. Maeglin was Idril's cousin, who Tuor kills due to their crimes.
*** The one time the two cousins cross paths, Túrin is going north to Dor Lomin which is devastated by HordesFromTheEast, and Tuor is marching south to Vinyamar, an abandoned Elven fortress. They never say a word to each other.
** Their eventual fates possibly reflect this, even if it is unclear whether they should still be taken as canon. Tuor goes to Valinor and may have become immortal. Turin in all versions of his story kills himself. However some have him coming back to life.



* ContinuityPorn: The fact that one can read from before time to the end of the Third Age of the Sun is very impressive.



** ContinuityPorn: However the fact that one can read from before time to the end of the Third Age of the Sun is very impressive none the less.



* TheCorruption: Eru's plans for the world are perfect until Morgoth begins to ruin it.
** [[spoiler: Except that it is entirely possible that Eru ''always intended for things to happen that way''. He explains after the Music of the Ainur, which Melkor attempted to corrupt, that ''noone can play anything that does not come from him''. The various references strongly suggest that Men, and possibly Dwarves, have true free will, and the ability to create truly new things of their own, but the Ainur and the Elves do not.]]

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* TheCorruption: Eru's plans for the world are perfect until Morgoth begins to ruin it.
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it.[[spoiler: Except that it is entirely possible that Eru ''always intended for things to happen that way''. He explains after the Music of the Ainur, which Melkor attempted to corrupt, that ''noone can play anything that does not come from him''. The various references strongly suggest that Men, and possibly Dwarves, have true free will, and the ability to create truly new things of their own, but the Ainur and the Elves do not.]]


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* {{Foil}}: Túrin is this for his cousin Tuor:
** The two are sons of two warrior brothers, Húrin and Huor.
** They each earn a name for themselves in a hidden Noldor city which later falls (Nargothrond/Gondolin), while earning the love of a local Elven princess (Finduilas/Idril).
** In the troubles of both, there is an incestuous motif - Túrin [[spoiler: unwittingly falls in love with and weds his long-lost sister]], while Tuor's wife is desired by her cousin who out of jealousy betrays Gondolin and causes its fall.
** During the sackings of Nargothrond and Gondolin, respectively, both Túrin and Tuor confront a great dragon - Glaurung and the Beast of Gondolin.
** The differences between them make them {{Foil}} to each other, with Tuor being TheHero and Túrin being a TragicHero:
*** Túrin is TallDarkAndSnarky as well as DarkIsNotEvil, while Tuor could be described with HairOfGoldHeartOfGold and LightIsGood.
*** Túrin is directed by the curse of Morgoth; Tuor is directed by the commands of Ulmo, Valar of the seas.
*** Túrin has two [[LoveHurts tragic love interests]]: Finduilas the princess of Nargothrond, who CannotSpitItOut to him and ends up enslaved and killed while he is paralyzed by Glaurung, and later [[spoiler: his own lost sister]] Niniel, who he finds amnesiac on Finduilas' grave. Tuor, meanwhile, is HappilyMarried to Idril.
*** Túrin, due to his DarkAndTroubledPast, is seen as dangerous, if a powerful ally, in Nargothrond. Finduilas' ex-lover Gwindor tells her that Túrin is "not [[TheHero Beren]]". Tuor, on the other hand, is accepted by the people of Gondolin as one of them and King Turgon is happy to have him married to his daughter, explicitly referencing Beren and Lúthien's union as a reason to do so.
*** Túrin's WeaponOfChoice is a [[HeroesPreferSwords sword]] of ThunderboltIron, but it is an EvilWeapon and its most notorious killings are those of Beleg, Túrin's friend, Brandir, a jealous but [[CassandraTruth true-speaking]] suitor of Niniel and Túrin himself; Tuor wields [[AnAxeToGrind a great axe]].
*** Both of them kill someone who was in love with their wife. However Brandir was a rather pleasant man who Turin murdered in a rage. Maeglin was Idril's cousin, who Tuor kills due to their crimes.
*** The one time the two cousins cross paths, Túrin is going north to Dor Lomin which is devastated by HordesFromTheEast, and Tuor is marching south to Vinyamar, an abandoned Elven fortress. They never say a word to each other.
*** Their eventual fates, even if it is unclear whether they should still be taken as canon. Tuor goes to Valinor and may have become immortal. Turin in all versions of his story kills himself. However some have him coming back to life.
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