History Literature / TheSilmarillion

10th Nov '17 10:22:36 PM Andygal
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** Thingol certainly counts as a {{Jerkass}} as well, sending Beren off on an impossible quest to get him killed and trying to get Morgoth to do his dirty work. Not to mention that if Morgoth didn't do the job, he would've had Beren killed himself! At least he would have at first, if Lúthien hadn't made him [[IGaveMyWord promise not to]]. When Morgoth ''didn't'' do the job and Beren returned, Thingol was actually so moved by his determination and love for Lúthien that he promptly did a HeelFaceTurn.

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** Thingol certainly counts as a {{Jerkass}} as well, sending Beren off on an impossible quest to get him killed and trying to get Morgoth to do his dirty work. Not to mention that if Morgoth didn't do the job, he would've had Beren killed himself! At least he would have at first, if Lúthien hadn't made him [[IGaveMyWord promise not to]]. When Morgoth ''didn't'' do the job and Beren returned, Thingol was actually so moved by his determination and love for Lúthien that he promptly did a HeelFaceTurn. Thingol later pulled another jerkass move when he refused to pay some dwarves for setting the Silmaril in some jewellery. This got him killed and ultimately led to Doriath being sacked by the sons of Feanor.
27th Oct '17 12:02:45 PM TempestKnight
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* ObviousBeta: Tolkien died before he could complete the book, and it shows.[[note]]Christopher Tolkien had to piece together his father's (often incomprehensible) notes, which is why it was not until four years after JRR's death that the book was published.[[/note]] Pieces of the work make little sense [[FridgeLogic when looked at critically]] (if Anfauglith was 250 miles across, how did the orcs march across it in what seems like a matter of minutes?), and sometimes outright contradict each other (does Lammoth echo with Morgoth's voice? Or does it amplify the voices of anyone crying aloud there?). Then again, [[FridgeBrilliance this works in the book's favour somewhat, because the old legends it tries to imitate were often contradictory and larger-than-life]].
9th Oct '17 4:22:45 PM wheresthehandle
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** Númenorean king Ar-Pharazon the Golden and his army, who remain interned in the Cave of the Forgotten in Valinor. Do not open till Dagor Dagorach!

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** Númenorean king Ar-Pharazon the Golden and his army, who remain interned in the Cave of the Forgotten in Valinor. Do not open till Dagor Dagorach!Dagorath!
26th Jul '17 2:41:52 PM morane
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** Númenorean king Ar-Pharazon the Golden and his army, who remain interned in the Cave of the Forgotten in Valinor. Do not open till Dagor Dagorach!
8th May '17 10:05:58 AM morane
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* TheParagonAlwaysRebels: First Melkor and Sauron, [[NotSoDifferent then Fëanor]], then the [[RageAgainstTheHeaven Númenóreans]]. Each was the greatest created member of their species in power and potential, but it went to their heads in bad ways.

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* TheParagonAlwaysRebels: First Melkor and Sauron, [[NotSoDifferent then Fëanor]], then the [[RageAgainstTheHeaven Númenóreans]].Númenóreans]] and, finally, Saruman. Each was the greatest created member of their species in power and potential, but it went to their heads in bad ways.
8th May '17 9:53:33 AM morane
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* OutlivingOnesOffspring: Noldorin High King Finarfin, ''in spades''. His whole family (sans his daughter Galadriel) gets killed, and Finarfin (who presumably still rules the Noldor in Aman) outlives both his brothers (Fëanor and Fingolfin), their children and ''their grandchildren''. He also has outlived his great-granddaughter Arwen, who chose the part of a mortal woman.
6th Mar '17 6:47:55 PM mlsmithca
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* ThePowerOfLove: Allows Beren and Lúthien to take on Sauron (and Morgoth) and nab a Silmaril. ThePowerOfLove, plus BabiesEverAfter (half-elf, half-angel), plus BecauseDestinySaysSo, EarnYourHappyEnding ''twice'', and more. Tolkien also wrote the story not only in prose versions, but as a (sadly, unfinished) poem over six thousand lines long, in faultless octosylllabic rhyming verse, and it's SoCoolItsAwesome.\\

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* ThePowerOfLove: Allows Beren and Lúthien to take on Sauron (and Morgoth) and nab a Silmaril. ThePowerOfLove, plus BabiesEverAfter (half-elf, half-angel), plus BecauseDestinySaysSo, EarnYourHappyEnding ''twice'', and more. Tolkien also wrote the story not only in prose versions, but as a (sadly, unfinished) poem over six thousand lines long, in faultless octosylllabic rhyming verse, and it's SoCoolItsAwesome.awesome.\\
26th Feb '17 10:33:45 AM Tarlonniel
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* MeaningfulRename: Túrin gave himself many aliases to hide his identity, usually obliquely referring to whatever horrible thing had last happened to him: i.e. Neithan (the Wronged), Agarwaen (the Blood-Stained), Turambar (Master of Doom). [[spoiler:By doom mastered]]

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Túrin gave himself many aliases to hide his identity, usually obliquely referring to whatever horrible thing had last happened to him: i.e. Neithan (the Wronged), Agarwaen (the Blood-Stained), Turambar (Master of Doom). [[spoiler:By doom mastered]]
26th Feb '17 10:22:28 AM Tarlonniel
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* LastStand: [[YouShallNotPass Acting as the rearguard]] for Turgon and the companies of Gondolin who are trying to escape the Nírnaeth Arnoediad both safely and secretly, Húrin and his people hold the Fens of Serech again a monstrous onslaught of enemies for days on end, killing so many that eventually the Orcs bridge the river ''with their own dead''. The group, consisting of almost the entirety of the menfolk of the House of Hador do this knowing full well that they cannot survive but defying the heck out of Morgoth because that's just how badass they are.

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Acting as the rearguard]] for Turgon and the companies of Gondolin who are trying to escape the Nírnaeth Arnoediad both safely and secretly, Húrin and his people hold the Fens of Serech again a monstrous onslaught of enemies for days on end, killing so many that eventually the Orcs bridge the river ''with their own dead''. The group, consisting of almost the entirety of the menfolk of the House of Hador do this knowing full well that they cannot survive but defying the heck out of Morgoth because that's just how badass they are.



* LightIsGood / LightIsNotGood: Usually light is a metaphor and literal, physical tool of the forces of goodness in the world, especially the Valar, and evil creatures such as orcs cannot endure sunlight. But occasionally looks can deceive; during the Second Age, Sauron's preferred form is that of a beautiful angelic being (Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts"); it is in this form that he deceives the Elves into forging the Rings of Power and later subverts Númenórë. Melkor's eyes also originally "pierced with a deadly light."

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* LightIsGood / LightIsNotGood: LightIsGood: Usually light is a metaphor and literal, physical tool of the forces of goodness in the world, especially the Valar, and evil creatures such as orcs cannot endure sunlight. But occasionally sunlight.
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looks can deceive; during the Second Age, Sauron's preferred form is that of a beautiful angelic being (Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts"); it is in this form that he deceives the Elves into forging the Rings of Power and later subverts Númenórë. Melkor's eyes also originally "pierced with a deadly light."



* ShockingDefeatLegacy: The Battle Of Unnumbered Tears. It begins as a noble effort of the Elves, Men, and Dwarves to finish Morgoth once and for all. It's the first coalition of all the races together to fight Morgoth, and the greatest army seen so far in the world outside of the gods. It gets crushed so badly and so many people die that Morgoth literally makes a hill out of the corpses. The worst part is that they probably never had a chance. And things get so much worse from there.

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The Battle Of Unnumbered Tears. It begins as a noble effort of the Elves, Men, and Dwarves to finish Morgoth once and for all. It's the first coalition of all the races together to fight Morgoth, and the greatest army seen so far in the world outside of the gods. It gets crushed so badly and so many people die that Morgoth literally makes a hill out of the corpses. The worst part is that they probably never had a chance. And things get so much worse from there.



*** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tolkiengrab.jpg So could this]]. Awwwww. (The tale of Beren and Lúthien does take a few elements from Tolkien's own relationship with his wife Edith; particularly significant to him was her [[ConvertingForLove conversion to Catholicism]] despite the trouble it gave her. The comparison with Lúthien's giving up her immortality as an elf for an uncertain fate with Beren is clear.)



* XanatosGambit / GambitRoulette / BatmanGambit / ISurrenderSuckers: It's a long {{plan}} and so it involves a lot of different plans.

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* XanatosGambit / GambitRoulette / BatmanGambit / ISurrenderSuckers: XanatosGambit: It's a long {{plan}} and so it involves a lot of different plans.
26th Feb '17 10:10:54 AM Tarlonniel
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** Turin Turambar. Yes, I know he has the curse of Morgoth on him but if he'd had stopped wangsting for just five minutes and actually ''thought'' about what he was doing he wouldn't have become the PersonOfMassDestruction who managed to kill just about everybody who ever cared about him - not to mention a whole Elven kingdom.

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** Turin Turambar. Yes, I know he has the curse of Morgoth on him him, but if he'd had stopped wangsting for just five minutes and actually ''thought'' about what he was doing he wouldn't have become the PersonOfMassDestruction who managed to kill just about everybody who ever cared about him - not to mention a whole Elven kingdom.
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