History Literature / TheRepublic

28th Aug '16 12:39:48 AM Fireblood
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ForgotToGagHim It begins with an account of Polemarchus insisting that Creator/{{Socrates}} accept his hospitality -- giving him [[MortonsFork the choice]] of remaining voluntarily or having Polemarchus and his friends detain him by force. When Socrates [[TakeAThirdOption asks if he might persuade them to let him go]], Polemarchus replies that they will simply refuse to listen to anything he has to say.

to:

* ForgotToGagHim ForgotToGagHim: It begins with an account of Polemarchus insisting that Creator/{{Socrates}} accept his hospitality -- giving him [[MortonsFork the choice]] of remaining voluntarily or having Polemarchus and his friends detain him by force. When Socrates [[TakeAThirdOption asks if he might persuade them to let him go]], Polemarchus replies that they will simply refuse to listen to anything he has to say.
25th Jul '16 12:01:35 PM Specialist290
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* {{Invisibility}}: The Ring of Gyges parable.

to:

* {{Invisibility}}: The In the Ring of Gyges parable.parable, the ring makes its wearer invisible.



* PlatonicCave: The TropeNamer.
* ThePhilosopherKing: The TropeNamer, and the prototype for technocracy in general.

to:

* PlatonicCave: The TropeNamer.
TropeNamer, used as an illustration of how most people only dimly perceive Truth and the struggle faced by those who seek to comprehend it more fully.
* ThePhilosopherKing: The TropeNamer, and the prototype for technocracy in general. Socrates puts forth the proposal that an ideal ruler would be a philosopher, drawn from the best of the ranks of the guardian class.
15th Jun '16 4:23:33 AM morenohijazo
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ForgotToGagHim It begins with an account of Polemarchus insisting that Creator/{{Socrates}} accept his hospitality -- giving him [[MortonsFork the choice]] of remaining voluntarily or having Polemarchus and his friends detain him by force. When Socrates [[TakeAThirdOption asks if he might persuade them to let him go]], Polemarchus replies that they will simply refuse to listen to anything he has to say.
22nd Apr '16 1:32:00 AM Tron80
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AxeCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic as irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.

to:

* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic as irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.
11th Feb '16 12:04:57 PM ObsidianFire
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* GenreSavvy: At one point, Socrates is leading the conversation in [[ObfuscatingStupidity his]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion usual]] [[PullTheThread manner]], and Adeimantus notices. He proceeds to interrupt the conversation and demand that Socrates stop pretending to be a moron and simply state what he's trying to get at.
28th Aug '15 8:34:07 AM Specialist290
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AuthorTract: Whether Plato is putting his own ideas in Socrates's mouth or simply relaying Socrates's own views is something that will probably never be settled with any degree of certainty. However, the fact remains that either way, ''The Republic'' is primarily a tract about how society should be organized in an ideal world.



* CulturedBadass: According to Socrates, the ideal warrior gets plenty of both physical and intellectual exercise -- the former to ensure they're strong enough to defend society, and the latter to ensure that they understand what they're fighting for and aren't simply thugs who are just as dangerous to their own people as their enemies.



* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: Used in the PlatonicCave description.

to:

* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: Used in the PlatonicCave description.description as a metaphor for how human beings react when confronted with the truth of a reality they have hitherto only dimly understood.



* {{GIFT}}: The Ring of Gyges is sort of an UrExample: instead of Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Fuckwad, you get Normal Person+Ring of Invisibility+Tempting Targets=Murderer and Rapist. Same principle, really.

to:

* {{GIFT}}: The Ring of Gyges is sort of an UrExample: instead of Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Fuckwad, you get Normal Person+Ring of Invisibility+Tempting Targets=Murderer and Rapist. Same principle, really.really; it's used to argue that being held accountable for one's actions in the public eye is the only thing keeping us from treating one another like jerks.



* {{Utopia}}: The point of the dialogue is to define one.

to:

* {{Utopia}}: The point of the dialogue is to define one.what a truly just society would look like -- and, from there, further expand on what a truly just ''person'' looks like.
13th Jul '15 2:47:58 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an idiocracy that is one step away from tyranny. Of course, the democracy he knew (closer to what we might term "mob rule" nowadays) was quite different from modern republicanism.

to:

* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an idiocracy that is one step away from tyranny. Of course, the democracy he knew (closer to what we might term "mob rule" nowadays) was quite different from modern republicanism.republicanism with its institutional checks and balances.
27th Apr '15 2:56:29 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{idiocracy}} that is one step away from tyranny.
** Of course, the democracy he knew was quite different from modern republicanism.

to:

* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{idiocracy}} idiocracy that is one step away from tyranny.
**
tyranny. Of course, the democracy he knew (closer to what we might term "mob rule" nowadays) was quite different from modern republicanism.
15th Apr '15 12:15:05 PM SeptimusHeap
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[quoteright:340:[[Creator/{{Socrates}} http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/socrates.jpg]]]]

to:

[[quoteright:340:[[Creator/{{Socrates}} http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/socrates.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Socrates.jpg]]]]
29th Mar '15 11:32:22 PM Fireblood
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AxeCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic is irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.
* TheCynic: Thrasymachus. He even believes that Justice [[MightMakesRight is just a fraud defined by the stronger (the lawmakers) to exploit the weak]].
* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: used in the PlatonicCave description
* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{Idiocracy}} that is one step away from tyranny.

to:

* AxeCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic is as irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.
* TheCynic: Thrasymachus. He even believes that Justice justice [[MightMakesRight is just a fraud defined by the stronger (the lawmakers) to exploit the weak]].
* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: used Used in the PlatonicCave description
description.
* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{Idiocracy}} {{idiocracy}} that is one step away from tyranny.



* ThePhilosopherKing: The TropeNamer, and the prototype for technocracy in general.



* FantasticCasteSystem: A big part of the ''Republic''[='=]s definition of justice is that everyone should do what they are meant to do best ("a place for everyone and everyone in their place" kind of thing), so a big part of the city in speech is classification of its citizens into classes, supported by the "myth of metals": A god mixed different metals in the souls of different classes, with iron and bronze in the souls of farmers, laborers, and merchants; silver in the souls of soldiers/auxiliaries; and gold in the souls of the philosopher-kings. Unlike most caste systems, your caste is not entirely dependent on the caste of your parents.

to:

* FantasticCasteSystem: A big part of the ''Republic''[='=]s definition of justice is that everyone should do what they are meant to do best ("a place for everyone and everyone in their place" kind of thing), so a big part of the city in his speech is classification of its citizens into classes, supported by the "myth of metals": A a god mixed different metals in the souls of different classes, with iron and bronze in the souls of farmers, laborers, and merchants; silver in the souls of soldiers/auxiliaries; and gold in the souls of the philosopher-kings. Unlike most caste systems, your caste is not entirely dependent on the caste of your parents.



* PlatonicCave: The TropeNamer
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Cephalus does what may be the wisest thing anyone has ever done in a debate with Socrates: He excuses himself before Socrates has an opportunity to make a fool of him.

to:

* PlatonicCave: The TropeNamer
TropeNamer.
* ThePhilosopherKing: The TropeNamer, and the prototype for technocracy in general.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Cephalus does what may be the wisest thing anyone has ever done in a debate with Socrates: He he excuses himself before Socrates has an opportunity to make a fool of him.
This list shows the last 10 events of 36. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.TheRepublic