History Literature / TheRepublic

22nd Apr '16 1:32:00 AM Tron80
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* AxeCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic as irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.

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* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic as irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.
11th Feb '16 12:04:57 PM ObsidianFire
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* GenreSavvy: At one point, Socrates is leading the conversation in [[ObfuscatingStupidity his]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion usual]] [[PullTheThread manner]], and Adeimantus notices. He proceeds to interrupt the conversation and demand that Socrates stop pretending to be a moron and simply state what he's trying to get at.
28th Aug '15 8:34:07 AM Specialist290
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* AuthorTract: Whether Plato is putting his own ideas in Socrates's mouth or simply relaying Socrates's own views is something that will probably never be settled with any degree of certainty. However, the fact remains that either way, ''The Republic'' is primarily a tract about how society should be organized in an ideal world.



* CulturedBadass: According to Socrates, the ideal warrior gets plenty of both physical and intellectual exercise -- the former to ensure they're strong enough to defend society, and the latter to ensure that they understand what they're fighting for and aren't simply thugs who are just as dangerous to their own people as their enemies.



* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: Used in the PlatonicCave description.

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* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: Used in the PlatonicCave description.description as a metaphor for how human beings react when confronted with the truth of a reality they have hitherto only dimly understood.



* {{GIFT}}: The Ring of Gyges is sort of an UrExample: instead of Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Fuckwad, you get Normal Person+Ring of Invisibility+Tempting Targets=Murderer and Rapist. Same principle, really.

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* {{GIFT}}: The Ring of Gyges is sort of an UrExample: instead of Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Fuckwad, you get Normal Person+Ring of Invisibility+Tempting Targets=Murderer and Rapist. Same principle, really.really; it's used to argue that being held accountable for one's actions in the public eye is the only thing keeping us from treating one another like jerks.



* {{Utopia}}: The point of the dialogue is to define one.

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* {{Utopia}}: The point of the dialogue is to define one.what a truly just society would look like -- and, from there, further expand on what a truly just ''person'' looks like.
13th Jul '15 2:47:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an idiocracy that is one step away from tyranny. Of course, the democracy he knew (closer to what we might term "mob rule" nowadays) was quite different from modern republicanism.

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* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an idiocracy that is one step away from tyranny. Of course, the democracy he knew (closer to what we might term "mob rule" nowadays) was quite different from modern republicanism.republicanism with its institutional checks and balances.
27th Apr '15 2:56:29 PM Morgenthaler
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* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{idiocracy}} that is one step away from tyranny.
** Of course, the democracy he knew was quite different from modern republicanism.

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* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{idiocracy}} idiocracy that is one step away from tyranny.
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tyranny. Of course, the democracy he knew (closer to what we might term "mob rule" nowadays) was quite different from modern republicanism.
15th Apr '15 12:15:05 PM SeptimusHeap
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29th Mar '15 11:32:22 PM Fireblood
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* AxeCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic is irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.
* TheCynic: Thrasymachus. He even believes that Justice [[MightMakesRight is just a fraud defined by the stronger (the lawmakers) to exploit the weak]].
* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: used in the PlatonicCave description
* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{Idiocracy}} that is one step away from tyranny.

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* AxeCrazy: Probably one of the first literal examples in the Western canon. Socrates uses the example of giving a woodcutting axe back to a violent lunatic is as irresponsible, and that a responsible government must abrogate the rights to property if it might be a danger to the polis. Therefore, proper government is not just about guarding property.
* TheCynic: Thrasymachus. He even believes that Justice justice [[MightMakesRight is just a fraud defined by the stronger (the lawmakers) to exploit the weak]].
* DayHurtsDarkAdjustedEyes: used Used in the PlatonicCave description
description.
* DemocracyIsBad: Socrates believes it is an {{Idiocracy}} {{idiocracy}} that is one step away from tyranny.



* ThePhilosopherKing: The TropeNamer, and the prototype for technocracy in general.



* FantasticCasteSystem: A big part of the ''Republic''[='=]s definition of justice is that everyone should do what they are meant to do best ("a place for everyone and everyone in their place" kind of thing), so a big part of the city in speech is classification of its citizens into classes, supported by the "myth of metals": A god mixed different metals in the souls of different classes, with iron and bronze in the souls of farmers, laborers, and merchants; silver in the souls of soldiers/auxiliaries; and gold in the souls of the philosopher-kings. Unlike most caste systems, your caste is not entirely dependent on the caste of your parents.

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* FantasticCasteSystem: A big part of the ''Republic''[='=]s definition of justice is that everyone should do what they are meant to do best ("a place for everyone and everyone in their place" kind of thing), so a big part of the city in his speech is classification of its citizens into classes, supported by the "myth of metals": A a god mixed different metals in the souls of different classes, with iron and bronze in the souls of farmers, laborers, and merchants; silver in the souls of soldiers/auxiliaries; and gold in the souls of the philosopher-kings. Unlike most caste systems, your caste is not entirely dependent on the caste of your parents.



* PlatonicCave: The TropeNamer
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Cephalus does what may be the wisest thing anyone has ever done in a debate with Socrates: He excuses himself before Socrates has an opportunity to make a fool of him.

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* PlatonicCave: The TropeNamer
TropeNamer.
* ThePhilosopherKing: The TropeNamer, and the prototype for technocracy in general.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Cephalus does what may be the wisest thing anyone has ever done in a debate with Socrates: He he excuses himself before Socrates has an opportunity to make a fool of him.
21st Mar '15 12:39:58 PM MarkLungo
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13th Mar '15 10:00:59 PM karstovich2
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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Some of the utopia's laws are actually horrifying by today's standards (think Literature/NineteenEightyFour with the hierarchical division between the philosopher-king Inner Party, the no-individuality Outer Party, and the viewed-as-animals Proles).

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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Some of the utopia's laws are actually horrifying by today's standards (think Literature/NineteenEightyFour with the hierarchical division between the philosopher-king Inner Party, the no-individuality "guardian" Outer Party, and the viewed-as-animals Proles).Proles). Also, when asked how this ideal state might be established, Plato's Socrates indicates that the best way to do it would be to find an existing city and exile everyone over the age of ten.
26th Oct '14 12:49:49 AM Fireblood
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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Some of the utopia's laws are actually horrifying by today's standards. (think Literature/NineteenEightyFour with the hierarchical division between the philosopher-king Inner Party, the no-individuality Outer Party, and the viewed-as-animals Proles).

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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Some of the utopia's laws are actually horrifying by today's standards. standards (think Literature/NineteenEightyFour with the hierarchical division between the philosopher-king Inner Party, the no-individuality Outer Party, and the viewed-as-animals Proles).
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