History Literature / ThePrince

26th Feb '17 3:33:06 PM TheBigBopper
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* HundredPercentAdorationRating: The safest position to be in.
* AboveGoodAndEvil: [[BeamMeUpScotty "The ends justify the means"]], after all.
** Subverted. The actual lesson is that one must be willing to ShootTheDog if the situation calls upon it as the leader.

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* HundredPercentAdorationRating: The safest position Machiavelli says that being universally loved would be ideal for a ruler, but it isn't a very realistic goal because of limited resources and human nature. You should earn a reputation for being strict but fair instead of bankrupting yourself in vain by trying to be in.
please everybody.
* AboveGoodAndEvil: The common misreading of the message is that [[BeamMeUpScotty "The ends justify the means"]], after all.
** Subverted. The actual
means"]]. In reality, the lesson is that one must be willing to ShootTheDog if the situation calls upon it as the leader.



* BadBoss: Machiavelli advises you to use both this trope and BenevolentBoss. You should be harsh enough to keep your subordinates in order and fear, but you also must be benevolent to them, so they will love you. In short, Machiavelli advices you to be a ''pragmatic'' boss.

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* BadBoss: Machiavelli advises you to use both this trope and BenevolentBoss. You should be harsh enough to keep your subordinates in order and fear, but you also must be benevolent enough to them, so them that they will love be loyal to you. In short, Machiavelli advices you to be a ''pragmatic'' boss.
3rd Feb '17 6:43:03 AM Anarquistador
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* DoWrongRight: Sooner or later, you're going to be in a position where you're going to have to do something awful. That's not a criticism; that's just a reality of politics. Machiavelli offers advice on how to do this awful thing with the least amount of collateral damage.
28th Dec '16 12:15:18 PM EDP
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: The last few chapters of the book blame many of Italy's woes on this trope. He concludes by asking the Medicis to seize Italy and conquer it with Italian armies, thereby averting the problems that had cropped up with using mercenaries. His pleas would eventually be answered... 350 years later by Giuseppe Garibaldi.

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: The last few chapters of the book blame many of Italy's woes on this trope. He concludes by asking the Medicis to seize Italy and conquer it with Italian armies, thereby averting the problems that had cropped up with using mercenaries. His pleas would eventually be answered... 350 years later by Giuseppe Garibaldi.the House of Savoy.
28th Oct '16 12:43:30 AM Eagal
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* GondorCallsForAid: If your friends/allies are in trouble, the first thing you shall do is to help them, not to stand outside and declare "neutral". It just makes you look weak in the eyes of the enemy, and unreliable in the eyes of your allies.



** The chapters on war might as well be called "Why one should never use mercenaries parts I, II, and III."



* ThePowerOfFriendship[=/=]AFriendInNeed[=/=]GondorCallsForAid: If your friends/allies are in trouble, the first thing you shall do is to help them, not to stand outside and declare "neutral". It just makes you look weak in the eyes of the enemy, and unreliable in the eyes of your allies.



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28th Oct '16 12:39:47 AM Eagal
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* BadBoss\BenevolentBoss: Machiavelli advises you to use both of this tropes: you should be harsh enough to keep your subordinates in order and fear, but you also must be benevolent to them, so they will love you. In short, Machiavelli advices you to be a ''pragmatic'' boss.

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* BadBoss\BenevolentBoss: BadBoss: Machiavelli advises you to use both of this tropes: you trope and BenevolentBoss. You should be harsh enough to keep your subordinates in order and fear, but you also must be benevolent to them, so they will love you. In short, Machiavelli advices you to be a ''pragmatic'' boss.
28th Oct '16 12:39:14 AM Eagal
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* [[ItsAllAboutMe It's All About Me]]: ''The Prince'' takes the healthy individualism of the Renaissance to the extreme.

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* [[ItsAllAboutMe It's All About Me]]: ItsAllAboutMe: ''The Prince'' takes the healthy individualism of the Renaissance to the extreme.



* JerkJustifications: Type 1.

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* JerkJustifications: Type 1.%%* JerkJustifications
2nd Aug '16 5:34:04 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* FollowTheLeader: Machiavelli advises the reader to read the histories of great leaders, such as Cyrus the Great or Hiero II of Syracuse, and learn the ways they used to get and kept power, but also learn what mistakes they made, so that you don't makes them as well.

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* FollowTheLeader: [[invoked]] Machiavelli advises the reader to read the histories of great leaders, such as Cyrus the Great or Hiero II of Syracuse, and learn the ways they used to get and kept power, but also learn what mistakes they made, so that you don't makes them as well.
2nd Aug '16 5:32:44 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* DroitDuSeigneur: Argued against. Machiavelli notes that a ruler's subjects will ''not'' put up with their wives and daughters being "used", and trying to do so will cause massive unrest.
10th Jun '16 6:20:00 AM JamesAustin
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->--'''What everyone remembers from ''The Prince'''''

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->--'''What -->--'''What everyone remembers from ''The Prince'''''



->--'''What he says right afterward, but what nobody seems to remember'''

Written by Italian statesman Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli in 1513, ''The Prince'' (''Il Principe'') is the single most famous political treatise and the first entirely secular work of TheRenaissance. At the time it was first published, ''The Prince'' was seen as extremely scandalous for its endorsement of ruthlessness and amorality. Nevertheless, it quickly became popular with politicians and remains highly influential in Western politics today. If there's any MagnificentBastard in ''anything'' set after the Renaissance, it's very probable he's taken cues from this book [[note]]Although they aren't quite as likely to actually have an in depth knowledge of the book as much as a pop-culture impression[[/note]].

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->--'''What -->--'''What he says right afterward, but what nobody seems to remember'''

Written by Italian statesman Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli in 1513, ''The Prince'' (''Il Principe'') is the single most famous political treatise and the first entirely secular work of TheRenaissance. At the time it was first published, ''The Prince'' was seen as extremely scandalous for its endorsement of ruthlessness and amorality. Nevertheless, it quickly became popular with politicians and remains highly influential in Western politics today. If there's any MagnificentBastard in ''anything'' set after the Renaissance, it's very probable he's taken cues from this book book.[[note]]Although they aren't quite as likely to actually have an in depth knowledge of the book as much as a pop-culture impression[[/note]].
impression.[[/note]]



Also, he wrote this book when Italy was in a very chaotic state: to ensure order the prince ''had'' to rule with an iron fist. Finally, one must remember that Machiavelli was attempting to ingratiate himself with the Medici, who had just taken over Florence (and promptly ignored his advice: they chose to be universally loved, and ended up massively in debt for it), and that most of his work was about supporting (small-r) republican regimes with an emphasis on freedom (although the means he recommended for operating and preserving them were rather, well, Machiavellian); more educated political theorists tend to regard him as something of a DeepCoverAgent for what eventually became modern liberal democracy. Though if so, that would ironically be a Machiavellian plan in itself. As later historians noted, Machiavelli wrote the book in vernacular and in plain language which means that its a book that has had a wider audience than earlier works of political sciences.

[[note]] "Prince" (or "principe" in the original Italian) at the time just meant "ruler", more or less (from Latin "princeps" = "first one"). [[IThoughtItMeant It didn't mean "the son of a king"]]. If there was only one person in the state who really mattered, it was called a monarchy. Even a democratically elected president would have still been called a "Principe".[[/note]]

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Also, he wrote this book when Italy was in a very chaotic state: to ensure order the prince ''had'' to rule with an iron fist. Finally, one must remember that Machiavelli was attempting to ingratiate himself with the Medici, who had just taken over Florence (and promptly ignored his advice: they chose to be universally loved, and ended up massively in debt for it), and that most of his work was about supporting (small-r) (smaller) republican regimes with an emphasis on freedom (although the means he recommended for operating and preserving them were rather, well, Machiavellian); more educated political theorists tend to regard him as something of a DeepCoverAgent for what eventually became modern liberal democracy. Though if so, that would ironically be a Machiavellian plan in itself. As later historians noted, Machiavelli wrote the book in vernacular and in plain language which means that its a book that has had a wider audience than earlier works of political sciences.

[[note]] As of note, "Prince" (or "principe" in the original Italian) at the time just meant "ruler", more or less (from Latin "princeps" = "first one"). [[IThoughtItMeant It didn't mean "the son of a king"]]. If there was only one person in the state who really mattered, it was called a monarchy. Even a democratically elected president would have still been called a "Principe".[[/note]]
"Principe".
23rd May '16 10:02:25 PM JulianLapostat
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* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: Machiavelli explains why:
-->It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies [[TheRemnant all those who have done well under the old conditions]], [[NotInThisForYourRevolution and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new]]. This coolness arises partly [[LawfulEvil from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side]], and partly from [[ItWillNeverCatchOn the incredulity of men]], who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.
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