History Literature / TheIdiot

26th Aug '16 5:29:59 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* MurderTheHypotenuse: {{spoiler:Rogozhin tries his level best.}}

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* MurderTheHypotenuse: {{spoiler:Rogozhin [[spoiler:Rogozhin tries his level best.}}best to kill the man his beloved Nastasya truly loves: namely, his sworn exchanged-cross brother, Prince Myshkin himself.]]
26th Aug '16 5:27:30 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* ChronicHeroSyndrome: Myshkin seems to be drawn to people on the verge of death or ruin - he describes his impressions seeing a man about to be executed, is determined to befriend consumptive Ippolit, be a refuge for both Marie and Nastasya, ad infinitum. His efforts to "save" them, however, are usually less than successful.


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* MurderTheHypotenuse: {{spoiler:Rogozhin tries his level best.}}
27th Jul '16 4:43:00 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* LoveMartyr: Played with. Nastasya returns to Rogozhin despite their DestructiveRomance not out of love, but out of self-destruction. Some people assume Myshkin was this for the time he was with Nastasya, but most of his unhappiness in that relationship was due to his not being able to help her love herself. Myshkin is actually probably ''more'' of a martyr for Aglaia, who is a LovingBully to him.

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* LoveMartyr: Played with. Nastasya returns to Rogozhin despite their DestructiveRomance not out of love, but out of self-destruction. Some people assume Myshkin was It's unclear to what degree the prince is this for the time he was with Nastasya, but most as he does have [[LoveHurts a lot of angst]] over her suffering and his unhappiness in that relationship was due with her, but on-screen she's usually pretty nice to his not being able to help her love herself. him. Myshkin is actually probably ''more'' of a martyr for his supposed true love Aglaia, who is a LovingBully to him.


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* MistakenForServant: When Myshkin first answers the door to Nastasya at the Ivolgins' house, she thinks he's a particularly stupid footman, and he's too shocked to undeceive her.
25th Jul '16 5:20:59 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* ApologizesALot: Lukyan Timofeyevich Lebedev, when engaging in YesMan mode, will browbeat himself and wax lyrical in his agreement with any criticism flung in his direction. Myshkin, too, spends a lot of time apologizing for things that aren't even remotely his fault.

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* ApologizesALot: Lukyan Timofeyevich Lebedev, when engaging in YesMan mode, will browbeat himself and wax lyrical in his agreement with any criticism flung in his direction. Myshkin, too, spends a lot tends to apologize at the drop of time apologizing a hat, and gets characters yelling at him for things that aren't even remotely his fault.being an ExtremeDoormat.



* BettyAndVeronica: For the most part, Aglaia and Nastasya are this respectively for Myshkin, and Myshkin and Rogozhin respectively for Nastasya. And both Myshkin and Nastasya are usually more inclined to go with the Veronica, the one they're not ''actually'' in love with, whom they know full-well is likely destructive for them personally.

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* BettyAndVeronica: For the most part, Aglaia and Nastasya are this respectively for Myshkin, and Myshkin and Rogozhin respectively for Nastasya. And both Myshkin and Nastasya are usually more inclined Nastasya, when faced with a choice, opt to go be with the Veronica, the one they're not ''actually'' in love with, whom they know full-well is likely destructive for them personally.



* DisabledLoveInterest: The prince initially believes he can't marry because he is an "invalid" and several other characters point out his status as such is a huge barrier in him having ''any'' romantic or marriage prospects.

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* DisabledLoveInterest: The epileptic prince initially believes he can't marry ''at all'' because he is an "invalid" and several other characters point out his status as such is later there's a huge barrier in him having ''any'' romantic or marriage prospects.to-do of getting over that fact when Aglaia's parents are deciding whether he would make a good husband.



* TheDulcineaEffect: Myshkin for Nastasya, in a sense. Aglaia even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] it in her "poor knight" poetry reading, where she indirectly compares Myshkin's championing of Nastasya and defending her honor to the knight in the poem, who is an {{Expy}} of Don Quixote, champion of the original Dulcinea.

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* TheDulcineaEffect: Myshkin for Nastasya, in Nastasya. He sees her, learns a sense. bit about her, and is immediately moved to defend her honor, protect and comfort her. Aglaia even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] it in her "poor knight" poetry reading, where she indirectly compares Myshkin's championing of Nastasya and defending her honor to the knight in the poem, who is an {{Expy}} of Don Quixote, champion of the original Dulcinea.



* HaveAGayOldTime: To some extent why every character is so comfortable calling Myshkin an 'idiot'. In those days, they used it just as often as a clinical term for people with mental disabilities, believed to be related to epilepsy. A heavy dose of ValuesDissonance comes in as well, as it would be about the equivalent of calling him a 'retard' which is still quite offensive today.

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* HaveAGayOldTime: To some extent why every character is so comfortable calling Myshkin an 'idiot'. In those days, while it still did carry its modern meaning, they used it just as often as a clinical term for people with mental disabilities, believed to be related to epilepsy. A heavy dose of ValuesDissonance comes in as well, as it would be about the equivalent of calling him a 'retard' which is still quite offensive today.



* HonorableMarriageProposal: Myshkin's proposal to Nastasya is a variation of this, as he tells her she is already an honest woman and if she accepted, it would be her doing him an honor.

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* HonorableMarriageProposal: Myshkin's proposal to Nastasya is a variation of this, as he tells her that he is actually in love with her, that she is already an honest woman woman, and if she accepted, it would be her doing him an honor.



* [[IllGirl Ill Boy]]: Prince Myshkin suffers from epilepsy, and even when not having seizures, he feels faint and trembles and gets fevers and headaches so often that one gets the impression he very seldom feels completely well. In addition, there's Ippolit, who's dying of consumption.

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* [[IllGirl Ill Boy]]: Prince Myshkin suffers from epilepsy, and even when not having seizures, he feels faint and trembles and gets he's plagued with nervous fevers and trembling and headaches so often that one gets the impression he very seldom feels completely well. In addition, there's Ippolit, who's dying of consumption.



* ObliviousToLove: Notably, Myshkin has to be ''told'' by other characters that both Nastasya and Aglaia are in love with him, as both have too much {{Pride}} to make an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove, and it's unclear if he realizes for himself. He's even oblivious to his ''own'' love for Aglaia, and it's very ambiguous when he realizes, as he never gets a dramatic and clear LoveEpiphany.

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* ObliviousToLove: Notably, Myshkin has to be ''told'' by other characters that both Nastasya and Aglaia are in love with him, as both have too much {{Pride}} to make an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove, and it's unclear if he realizes for himself. himself, and he sometimes seems to view the idea of loving an "invalid" like him as ridiculous. He's even oblivious to his ''own'' love for Aglaia, for largely the same reasons, and it's very ambiguous when he realizes, as he never gets a dramatic and clear LoveEpiphany.



* SelfMadeMan: General Epanchin worked hard to get where he is in life.

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* SelfMadeMan: General Epanchin worked hard to get where he is in life.life, and as such has no time for petty freeloaders, which is what he assumes the prince is at first.



* ShipperOnDeck: Kolya is very invested in the prince's relationship with Aglaia, whereas Nastasya's friend Darya (who initially advocated for DumpThemAll to Ganya and Rogozhin's offers) avidly ships Myshkin/Nastasya, seeing the gentle prince as Nastasya's best chance at happiness and healing. But the ultimate shipper is actually Nastasya herslef, promoting Myshkin/Aglaia and actively obsessing and scheming to bring it about, despite being in love with Myshkin herself; it's her ''very'' twisted version of IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy.

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* ShipperOnDeck: Kolya is very invested in the prince's relationship with Aglaia, whereas ships Myshkin/Aglaia, and Nastasya's friend Darya (who initially advocated for DumpThemAll to Ganya and Rogozhin's offers) avidly ships Myshkin/Nastasya, seeing the gentle prince as Nastasya's best chance at happiness and healing. But the ultimate shipper is actually Nastasya herslef, promoting who supports Myshkin/Aglaia and actively obsessing and scheming schemes to bring it about, despite being in love with Myshkin herself; it's herself, in her ''very'' twisted version of IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy.
25th Jul '16 3:57:01 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* LoveMartyr: Played with. Nastasya returns to Rogozhin despite his being a DomesticAbuser not out of love, but out of self-destruction. Some people assume Myshkin was this for the time he was with Nastasya, but most of his unhappiness in that relationship was due to his tender pity at not being able to help her love herself. Myshkin is actually probably ''more'' of a martyr for Aglaia, who is a LovingBully to him.
* LovingAShadow: Yevgeny Pavlovitch conjectures that Myshkin was never truly in love with either Aglaia or Nastasya. Myshkin is very confused and distressed at the time, but readily admits he may be right.

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* LoveMartyr: Played with. Nastasya returns to Rogozhin despite his being a DomesticAbuser their DestructiveRomance not out of love, but out of self-destruction. Some people assume Myshkin was this for the time he was with Nastasya, but most of his unhappiness in that relationship was due to his tender pity at not being able to help her love herself. Myshkin is actually probably ''more'' of a martyr for Aglaia, who is a LovingBully to him.
* LovingAShadow: Yevgeny Pavlovitch conjectures that Myshkin was never truly in love with either Aglaia or Nastasya. Myshkin is Myshkin, very confused and distressed at the time, but about his feelings, readily admits that he may ''might'' be right.
25th Jul '16 3:46:10 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* HaveAGayOldTime: To some extent why every character is so comfortable calling Myshkin an 'idiot'. In those days, they used it just as often as a clinical term for people with mental disabilities, believed to be related to epilepsy. A heavy dose of ValuesDissonance comes in as well, as it would be about the equivalent of calling him a 'retard' which is still quite offensive today.
26th Jun '16 11:26:46 PM PaulA
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* [[spoiler:DownerEnding]]

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* [[spoiler:DownerEnding]]DownerEnding
6th Jun '16 5:05:51 PM DearestWindmillGirl
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* ABirthdayNotABreak: On Myshkin's birthday he has to witness Ippolit's suicide attempt at his SurpriseParty and later read Nastasya's harrowing letters.
6th Jun '16 10:07:18 AM DearestWindmillGirl
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* BettyAndVeronica: For the most part, Aglaia and Nastasya are this respectively for Myshkin, and Myshkin and Rogozhin respectively for Nastasya. Both Myshkin and Nastasya are usually more inclined to go with the Veronica, whom they know full-well is likely destructive for them personally.

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* BettyAndVeronica: For the most part, Aglaia and Nastasya are this respectively for Myshkin, and Myshkin and Rogozhin respectively for Nastasya. Both And both Myshkin and Nastasya are usually more inclined to go with the Veronica, the one they're not ''actually'' in love with, whom they know full-well is likely destructive for them personally.



* BrutalHonesty: Because of his NoSocialSkills, Myshkin actually has a bizarre version of this. He is, of course, polite and never means to offend anyone, but he innoncently tells Aglaia she's 'almost as pretty' as Nastasya, tells Ganya he's 'ordinary' and tells the whole company at the Epanchins' party all the nasty things he's heard about the upper class - only in order to tell how he was proven wrong by them. So he straddles the line between this and InnocentlyInsensitive while still being polite and well-meaning.

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* BrutalHonesty: Because Combined with InnocentlyInsensitive - because of his NoSocialSkills, Myshkin actually has a bizarre version of this. He is, of course, polite and never means to offend anyone, but he innoncently innocently tells Aglaia she's 'almost as pretty' as Nastasya, tells Ganya he's 'ordinary' and tells the whole company at the Epanchins' party all the nasty things he's heard about the upper class - only in order to tell how he was proven wrong by them. So he straddles the line between this and InnocentlyInsensitive while still being polite and well-meaning.class.



* ConvertingForLove: [[spoiler:Aglaia runs off with a Polish guy and converts to Roman Catholicism when she marries him.]]

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* ConvertingForLove: [[spoiler:Aglaia runs off with a Polish guy count and converts to Roman Catholicism when she marries for him.]]



* DisabledLoveInterest: The prince initially believes he can't marry because he is an "invalid" and, indeed, there's a lot of drama and resistance over his status as such before the Epanchins will even consider him a potential suitor for their daughter.

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* DisabledLoveInterest: The prince initially believes he can't marry because he is an "invalid" and, indeed, there's a lot of drama and resistance over several other characters point out his status as such before the Epanchins will even consider is a huge barrier in him a potential suitor for their daughter.having ''any'' romantic or marriage prospects.



* FriendToAllChildren: Myshkin was beloved by children when he was getting over his illness in Switzerland. It's also to some degree why he makes friends so easily with Kolya, who's a young teen. It's also related to the idea that ChildrenAreInnocent so he, being the ultimate innocent, can relate to them better and teach them, while their minds are fresh, to retain his kind and idealistic mindset.

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* FriendToAllChildren: Myshkin was beloved by children when he was getting over his illness in Switzerland. It's also to some degree why he makes friends so easily with Kolya, who's a young teen. It's also related to the idea that likely because ChildrenAreInnocent so he, being the ultimate innocent, can relate to them better better, and teach them, while their minds are fresh, can influence them to retain adopt his kind and idealistic mindset.giving mindset before they become too jaded.



* HenpeckedHusband: General Epanchin is a fairly minor example, but it's abundantly clear his wife runs the household and the family's social lives.
* HeroicBSOD: [[spoiler:The finale leaves Prince Myshkin mad and unable to speak.]]

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* HenpeckedHusband: General Epanchin is a fairly minor example, but it's abundantly clear his wife runs the household and the family's social lives.
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* HeroicBSOD: [[spoiler:The finale leaves Prince Myshkin mad and [[DumbStruck unable to speak.speak]].]]



* IKissYourHand: Myshkin kisses Vera's hand in gratitude for her sympathy and to reassure her. She gets very embarrassed. He also kisses [[AnywhereButTheirLips her forehead]] later on.
* [[IllGirl Ill Boy]]: Prince Myshkin suffers from epilepsy, and even when not having seizures, he is so often described as feverish, "heavy-headed", etc., that one gets the impression he very seldom feels completely well. In addition, there's Ippolit, who's dying of consumption.

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* IKissYourHand: Myshkin kisses Vera's hand in gratitude for her sympathy and to reassure her. She gets very embarrassed.blushes immensely. He also kisses [[AnywhereButTheirLips her forehead]] later on.
* [[IllGirl Ill Boy]]: Prince Myshkin suffers from epilepsy, and even when not having seizures, he is feels faint and trembles and gets fevers and headaches so often described as feverish, "heavy-headed", etc., that one gets the impression he very seldom feels completely well. In addition, there's Ippolit, who's dying of consumption.



* MadonnaWhoreComplex: This mindset causes a great deal of the conflict in the novel, as no one can understand why Myshkin would care for 'disreputable' Nastasya when the 'pure and perfect' Aglaia is in love with him. Especially since, backgrounds aside, one can make the argument that the two proud, capricious, intelligent and rebellious women are NotSoDifferent.

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* LovingAShadow: Yevgeny Pavlovitch conjectures that Myshkin was never truly in love with either Aglaia or Nastasya. Myshkin is very confused and distressed at the time, but readily admits he may be right.
* MadonnaWhoreComplex: This mindset causes a great deal of the conflict in the novel, as no one (including Nastasya herself) can understand why Myshkin would care for 'disreputable' Nastasya when the 'pure and perfect' Aglaia is in love with him. Especially since, backgrounds aside, It's notable because this one distinction of their sexual experience and background is all that separates the public opinion, as one can make the argument that the two beautiful, proud, capricious, intelligent and rebellious women are NotSoDifferent. NotSoDifferent apart from it.



* TheMasochismTango: Roghozin and Nastasya are the worst offenders, who cross the line into DestructiveRomance, but everyone gets in on the act to some extent.

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* TheMasochismTango: Roghozin and Nastasya are the worst offenders, who cross crossing the line into DestructiveRomance, but everyone gets in on the act to some extent.



* ObliviousToLove: Notably, Myshkin has to be ''told'' by other characters that both Nastasya and Aglaia are in love with him, as both have too much {{Pride}} to make an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove. He's even oblivious to his own love for Aglaia, and it's deeply ambiguous when or if he ever gets wise to those feelings, or how real they were.

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* ObliviousToLove: Notably, Myshkin has to be ''told'' by other characters that both Nastasya and Aglaia are in love with him, as both have too much {{Pride}} to make an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove. AnguishedDeclarationOfLove, and it's unclear if he realizes for himself. He's even oblivious to his own ''own'' love for Aglaia, and it's deeply very ambiguous when or if he ever realizes, as he never gets wise to those feelings, or how real they were.a dramatic and clear LoveEpiphany.



* SheepInSheepsClothing: Quite few characters think Myshkin can't possibly be as kind and innocent as he seems, that he must have a dark secret or a calculating ulterior motive. They are wrong. Rogozhin even refers to Myshkin as a sheep.

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* SheepInSheepsClothing: Quite few characters think Myshkin can't possibly be as kind and innocent as he seems, that he must have a dark secret or a calculating ulterior motive. They are wrong. Rogozhin even refers to Myshkin as a sheep.
6th Jun '16 12:43:13 AM DearestWindmillGirl
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* IKissYourHand: Myshkin kisses Vera's hand in gratitude for her sympathy and to reassure her. She gets very embarrassed. He later kisses [[AnywhereButTheLips her forehead]] in gratitude.

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* IKissYourHand: Myshkin kisses Vera's hand in gratitude for her sympathy and to reassure her. She gets very embarrassed. He later also kisses [[AnywhereButTheLips [[AnywhereButTheirLips her forehead]] in gratitude.later on.



* ShipperOnDeck: Kolya is very invested in the prince's relationship with Aglaia, whereas Nastasya's friend Darya (who initially advocated for DumpThemAll to Ganya and Rogozhin's offers) avidly ships Myshkin/Nastasya, seeing the gentle prince as Nastasya's best chance at happiness and healing.

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* ShipperOnDeck: Kolya is very invested in the prince's relationship with Aglaia, whereas Nastasya's friend Darya (who initially advocated for DumpThemAll to Ganya and Rogozhin's offers) avidly ships Myshkin/Nastasya, seeing the gentle prince as Nastasya's best chance at happiness and healing. But the ultimate shipper is actually Nastasya herslef, promoting Myshkin/Aglaia and actively obsessing and scheming to bring it about, despite being in love with Myshkin herself; it's her ''very'' twisted version of IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy.
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