History Literature / TheCavesOfSteel

13th Jan '16 4:54:35 PM nombretomado
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This story was adapted for a VCR game by [[Creator/EastmanKodak Kodak]] in 1988. You can watch the movie itself on Website/YouTube starting [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By53fLlxrjE here]], as well as a review/riff by TheSpoonyOne [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGEuFaGkG1A here.]]
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This story was adapted for a VCR game by [[Creator/EastmanKodak Kodak]] in 1988. You can watch the movie itself on Website/YouTube starting [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By53fLlxrjE here]], as well as a review/riff by TheSpoonyOne [[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment The Spoony One]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGEuFaGkG1A here.]]
19th Nov '15 2:10:45 PM LordOfTheSword
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22nd Sep '15 3:43:03 PM MRAustin
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* NotWithTheSafetyOnYouWont: Elijah is understandably disturbed when the ostensibly ThreeLawsCompliant Daneel resolves the potential riot at the shoe store by threatening to use a lethal weapon. Daneel explains to his partner that the weapon was not loaded, had never ''been'' loaded, and was not even fully assembled. If it had been otherwise, it would have been possible for him to ''accidentally'' injure a human being, something Daneel finds unthinkable.
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* NotWithTheSafetyOnYouWont: Elijah is understandably disturbed when the ostensibly ThreeLawsCompliant Daneel resolves the potential riot at the shoe store by threatening to use a lethal weapon. Daneel explains to his partner that the weapon was not loaded, had never ''been'' loaded, and was not even fully assembled. If it had been otherwise, it would have been possible for him to ''accidentally'' injure a human being, something Daneel finds unthinkable. He even points out that he only has the dummy weapon in the first place because ''not'' carrying one would be an obvious indication that he is not the human Police Officer he is pretending to be.
6th Jun '15 8:05:13 AM Omeganian
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** Lije remarks that dr. Sarton created R. Daneel to his own image. Then he remarks that dr. Falstofe doesn't get the reference because he, as a Spacer is not familiar with the Bible.
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** Lije remarks that dr. Sarton created R. Daneel to his own image. Then he remarks that dr. Falstofe Daneel doesn't get the reference because he, as a Spacer is not familiar with the Bible.Bible isn't exactly a popular book among Spacers..
26th May '15 3:23:22 PM StFan
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Moving this to trivia.
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* CyberPunk: The City [[UnbuiltTrope anticipates]] the dystopian urban landscape of CyberPunk, almost 30 years before Film/BladeRunner and WilliamGibson, but it was not necessarily intended to be dystopian. The idea of a vast, totally enclosed city did not bother Asimov at all (See AuthorAppeal). ** The setting, plot and basic character dynamic were heavily [[{{Expy}} Expied]] in the anime ''ArmitageIII'', which is unquestionably cyberpunk. It just goes to show how foundational this book was to the genre.
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* CyberPunk: The City [[UnbuiltTrope anticipates]] the dystopian urban landscape of CyberPunk, almost 30 years before Film/BladeRunner ''Film/BladeRunner'' and WilliamGibson, Creator/WilliamGibson, but it was not necessarily intended to be dystopian. The idea of a vast, totally enclosed city did not bother Asimov at all (See AuthorAppeal). ** The setting, plot and basic character dynamic were heavily [[{{Expy}} Expied]] in the anime ''ArmitageIII'', which is unquestionably cyberpunk. It just goes to show how foundational this book was to the genre.AuthorAppeal).
10th May '15 8:52:48 AM fcolli8889
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* OutofCharacterAlert: Baley is told that Jessie is associating with unsavory people. He knows it isn't true because she supposedly provided her name as "Jezebel", a name that Jessie avoids using.
11th Apr '15 5:14:55 AM petersohn
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* MaleRestroomEtiquette: There is a strict taboo that no one speaks to each other in the Men's Personals. Women's Personals are quite the opposite though.
12th Feb '15 11:03:36 AM petersohn
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** Lije remarks that dr. Sarton created R. Daneel to his own image. Then he remarks that dr. Falstofe doesn't get the reference because he, as a Spacer is not familiar with the Bible.

* ElvesVersusDwarves: The Spacers are [[OurElvesAreBetter proud, elegant, long-lived people with superior technology]] while the Earthmen are [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame conservative cave-dwellers]]. The main conflict of the story is between these fwo fractions.
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* ElvesVersusDwarves: While both human beings, the Spacers and Earthmen share many stereotypes of elves and dwarves, respectively. The Spacers are [[OurElvesAreBetter proud, elegant, long-lived people with superior technology]] while the Earthmen are [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame conservative cave-dwellers]]. The main conflict of the story is between these fwo fractions.
11th Feb '15 2:11:42 PM petersohn
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* AsTheGoodBookSays: An ongoing theme is that Earthmen are familiar with the Bible but Spacers are not. ** Elijah and his wife Jezebel have {{meaningful name}}s. Their story is referenced when she is introduced, and Jezebel's character is an important part of her personality. ** Lije tells the story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery to Daneel about the subtleties of the word "justice". At the end, Daneel uses the exact words "GoAndSinNoMore".

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* ElvesVersusDwarves: The Spacers are [[OurElvesAreBetter proud, elegant, long-lived people with superior technology]] while the Earthmen are [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame conservative cave-dwellers]]. The main conflict of the story is between these fwo fractions.
17th Jan '15 3:32:36 PM Mhoram
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Earth has become so overpopulated that almost all of the Earth's surface area must be converted to farmland, with the populace stuffed into overcrowded mega-cities where a socialist government carefully rations food, water, and resources and people are lucky if they have a ''sink'' of their own in their apartment. The total population of this teeming dystopia? Eight billion, which is just a billion or so (give or take) from the actual world population in 2011. The novel was written before the Green Revolution, which dramatically increased Earth's carrying capacity. Similarly, Earth has an economy that is based firmly in early-to-mid twentieth century thought. At the time, strict, state-run economies seemed the wave of the future and quite inevitable. As more became known about the actual functionality of fascist and communist systems, that idea has fallen by the wayside. ** It [[FridgeBrilliance should be noted]] that Earth had, through careful PopulationControl, been hovering at roughly the same population level for about ''3,000 years''. Over such a long span of time, resource depletion would have become an issue, especially since the Spacers were prohibiting Earth from accessing resources from off-planet. Even more impressive once you consider that the City system has only become fully necessary three centuries ago. ** One character says that measuring blood glucose level requires a medical laboratory. Since the novel was written, cheap and portable blood glucose testing kits have become widely available.

* TechnologyMarchesOn: Some of the novel's technological predictions for the world circa 5000 A.D. can seem rather peculiar, even quaint, by present-day standards. ** Also Asimov incorrectly predicted what was going to be easy and hard for a computer to do. Cell phones and iPods are unknown in this world. Yet Daneel's positronic brain allows him to balance on two legs, understand the images his eyes are seeing, and speak natural language, all of which are really, really hard for a computer to do. *** Culturally, there was a significant difference in perception as to what a ''computer'' was as opposed to what a ''robot'' was when the novel was written. To a present-day person, a "robot" is simply a computer that can move in some way, not necessarily an ArtificialHuman. While it seems perfectly logical to us that something like Daneel's positronic brain would be just as effective if used in a stationary "computer" as it is in the body of an android, back then, the two technologies were imagined to be unrelated. ** A key part of Fastolfe's plan is to encourage Earth to embrace a [="C/Fe"=] society, with "C" (carbon) representing humans and "Fe" (iron) representing robots. By the late-20th Century most real world roboticists would have contended that "Si" (silicon) was a more crucial element in the creation of advanced electronics. Ironically, as of 2014, carbon is increasingly viewed as the future of advanced electronics, as well as structural materials. Meaning that a realistic future robot would also be a carbon-based "life form". Virtually no modern roboticists regard iron as a significant component of well-designed robots except for non-humanoid industrial automatons.
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