History Literature / TheBelgariad

10th Feb '17 4:53:45 PM Madrugada
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* NoodleIncident: Silk gets several, including but not limited to: interfering with a ploy of Bethra's involving the Nadrak ambassdor, causing her to attempt to have him killed; being smuggled out of Cthol Murgos by a Thullish lady of high station, possibly for reasons related to the also-never-clearly-explained incident which led to the death of the Murgo crown prince; and fleeing Tol Honeth "posing as an acrobat in a travelling circus, and about one jump ahead of the police".

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Silk gets several, including but not limited to: interfering with a ploy of Bethra's involving the Nadrak ambassdor, causing her to attempt to have him killed; being smuggled out of Cthol Murgos by a Thullish lady of high station, possibly for reasons related to the also-never-clearly-explained incident which led to the death of the Murgo crown prince; and fleeing Tol Honeth "posing as an acrobat in a travelling circus, and about one jump ahead of the police".police".
** On a meta-level, the Accident which created the two Prophecies and put the wrong God in place.
10th Feb '17 4:36:31 PM Madrugada
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* TheBigGuy: Several characters in the (slightly more than) FiveManBand could qualify, but the standouts are Mandorallen in ''The Belgariad'' and Toth in ''The Malloreon''. When the Big Band (Barak, Hettar, Mandorallen, Relg, and Lelldorin) get together, Mandorallen is the only one who doesn't assume another role in the group. That's right: he's {{The Big Guy}}s' [[TheBigGuy Big Guy]].

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* TheBigGuy: Several characters in the (slightly more than) FiveManBand than)-five-man Band could qualify, but the standouts are Mandorallen in ''The Belgariad'' and Toth in ''The Malloreon''. When the Big Band (Barak, Hettar, Mandorallen, Relg, and Lelldorin) get together, Mandorallen is the only one who doesn't assume another role in the group. That's right: he's {{The Big Guy}}s' [[TheBigGuy Big Guy]].



* FiveBadBand: Torak is TheBigBad, Ctuchik and Zedar are his CoDragons, with Zedar doing double duty as TheEvilGenius, Taur Urgas is TheBrute, TheDarkChick position is kept open for Polgara, and the actual dragon is the TeamPet.
10th Feb '17 4:28:43 PM Madrugada
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* EverybodyKnewAlready: Much of the Drasnian spy network's doings. Nobody is surprised whenever a lowly Drasnian merchant turns out to be a top spy, and it seems everyone and his brother knows the secret sign language. However, the Drasnian leadership's attitude toward this situation suggests that this may all be part of their operational procedure, allowing some secrets to slip out in order to better spread disinformation.

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* EverybodyKnewAlready: Much of the Drasnian spy network's doings. Nobody is surprised whenever a lowly Drasnian merchant turns out to be a top spy, and it seems everyone and his brother knows the secret sign language. However, the Drasnian leadership's attitude toward this situation suggests that this may all be part of their operational procedure, allowing some secrets to slip out in order to better spread disinformation.disinformation, or that it's simply an indication of just ''how'' widespread the Drasnian intelligence network ''is''. By the end of the series, the reader is left wondering if there are any Drasnians outside the country who don't report back to to the Intelligence Service, or at least, to someone who does.
10th Feb '17 4:19:55 PM Madrugada
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Belgarath's punishment of Zedar is viewed by several of the heroes as this, as the majority of his villainy was conducted [[OffscreenVillainy offscreen]]. Belgarath, however, was a firsthand witness to it and Zedar's protestations of IDidWhatIHadToDo fall on deaf ears.
** Belgarath briefly muses on whether the punishment was indeed too harsh later on, only for Beldin (who was also a first-hand witness) to state that if Belgarath ever released Zedar, Beldin would put him straight back.

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* DisproportionateRetribution: Belgarath's punishment of Zedar is viewed by several of the heroes as this, as the majority of his villainy was conducted [[OffscreenVillainy offscreen]]. Belgarath, however, was a firsthand witness to it and Zedar's protestations of IDidWhatIHadToDo fall on deaf ears.
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ears. Belgarath briefly muses on whether the punishment was indeed too harsh later on, only for Beldin (who was also a first-hand witness) to state that if Belgarath ever released Zedar, Beldin would put him straight back.
10th Feb '17 4:18:50 PM Madrugada
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** Also: messy death is an occupational hazard when you're a spy, and Bethra probably knew this...really, Silk, was it absolutely necessary to butcher everyone even tangentially involved [[AndYourLittleDogToo and several people who were just unfortunate enough to be related to them]]?
*** It's apparently not much of an occupational hazard for Drasnian Intelligence, since Liselle and Silk both imply that assassination and terrorism is the department's ''official response'' to the murder of their spies (they merely objected to Silk taking the job on himself for partly personal reasons). Given how ubiquitous Drasnian spies are in the world, apparently the disproportionate response ''works.''
10th Feb '17 3:49:41 PM Madrugada
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* AnnoyingArrows: In the second book, an arrow shatters on Barak's mail shirt, something arrows are generally designed specifically not to do (mail is pretty ineffective against arrows, being from an arrows point of view a set of connected holes). Having it deflect off a proper breastplate would've been more realistic.

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* AnnoyingArrows: In the second book, an arrow shatters on Barak's mail shirt, something arrows shirt. %%Checking the book for this scene. If it's against an archer unprepared for someone in mail, it's quite realistic, a broadhead or hunting blunt would deflect. If it's someone equipped for battle, it's not realisticsince they'd most likely have bodkin points which are generally designed specifically not to do (mail is pretty ineffective against arrows, being from an arrows point of view a set of connected holes). Having it deflect off a proper breastplate would've been more realistic.penetrate mail)%%
4th Feb '17 12:12:39 PM Basara-kun
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* ExtremeLibido: The Nyissan queens suffer this as a side effect of their [[OlderThanTheyLook youth-enhancing]] drugs, to the extent that the palace has to be staffed by eunuchs. After the last Queen Salmissra is [[spoiler:turned into a serpent by Polgara]], she's quite relieved to be free of the mess of hormones.
20th Jan '17 6:02:54 PM intastiel
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* ChainmailBikini: Justified, {{Lampshaded}}, all-around 'verted, mocked mercilessly, and in general, has just about everything you can do with a trope (like averting the trope ''[[UpToEleven and]]'' playing it straight ''[[RuleOfFunny at the same time]]'') done to it in book four; when Ce'Nedra is off purchasing some ceremonial armor to wear while raising up an army, she says this is necessary for what the armor is supposed to help her with -- and she's more or less right. Ce'Nedra, at age sixteen, was tiny and flat-chested (she's a dryad, they develop later!) -- she can't do anything about the height, but she needed people to respect her as an adult, long enough for them to listen to her. Having the armor the right shape -- even if she technically isn't -- would help her audiences see her as an adult. Of course, the armorer refuses, explaining exactly what's usually wrong with the idea - at some length. It takes her a while, but she persuades the armorer to modify the breastplate to an acceptably female shape, and relies on his good taste for the exact dimensions. The final result works out well and satisfies all people involved.

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* ChainmailBikini: Justified, {{Lampshaded}}, all-around 'verted, mocked mercilessly, {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d for laughs in general, has just about everything you can do with a trope (like averting the trope ''[[UpToEleven and]]'' playing it straight ''[[RuleOfFunny at the same time]]'') done to it in book four; Book 4, when Ce'Nedra is off purchasing some insists that her ceremonial plate armor have cleavage, to wear while raising up an army, she says this is necessary for what the armor is supposed to help her with -- and armorer's disgust. She explains that she's more or less right. Ce'Nedra, at age sixteen, was tiny recruiting an army and flat-chested (she's needs to be seen as a dryad, they develop later!) -- she can't do anything queen, while proper armor on her petite frame would make her look like a young boy. The armorer grouses about the height, mechanical disadvantages but eventually concedes -- though not without asking what she needed people intends to respect her as an adult, long enough for them to listen to her. Having put in the armor the right shape -- even if she technically isn't -- would help her audiences see her as an adult. Of course, the armorer refuses, explaining exactly what's usually wrong with the idea - at some length. It takes her a while, but she persuades the armorer to modify the breastplate to an acceptably female shape, and relies on his good taste for the exact dimensions. The final result works out well and satisfies all people involved.cleavage.



* TheChooserOfTheOne: Cyradis
* ChosenOne: Whoever the Child of Light and Child of Dark are at the time.
* ChromaticArrangement: The gods.

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* TheChooserOfTheOne: Cyradis
Each Prophecy has its own [[TheChosenOne Chosen One]], and Cyradis has the responsibility of deciding which Prophecy ultimately remains valid.
* ChosenOne: TheChosenOne: Whoever the Child of Light and Child of Dark are at the time.
* ChromaticArrangement: The gods.Each of the Seven Gods is associated with a colour, while their father, the TopGod UL, manifests as pure white.
14th Jan '17 5:04:43 PM Bissek
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** To give ''just one'' example, Arendia has been involved in a simmering sort of conflict for hundreds of years between the two Duchies comprising it due to what amounts to semantics: the nobles of Asturia cannot swear fealty to the Arendish crown because their families' pre-existing oath to the Duchess of Asturia prevents it. When someone finally points out that the Duchess of Asturia and the Queen of Arendia are ''one and the same person'', she releases them from their earlier oath so they can swear fealty to her husband in his capacity as King of Arendia (which they do quite willingly). It's clearly pointed out that the hereditary Duchess of Asturia has ''always'' also been the Queen of Arendia by tradition throughout the entire centuries-long civil war, and ''nobody ever noticed before''.

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** To give ''just one'' example, Arendia has been involved in a simmering sort of conflict for hundreds of years between the two Duchies comprising it due to what amounts to semantics: the nobles of Asturia cannot swear fealty to the Arendish crown because their families' pre-existing oath to the Duchess of Asturia prevents it. When someone finally points out that the Duchess of Asturia and the Queen of Arendia are ''one and the same person'', she releases them from their earlier oath so they can swear fealty to her in her capacity as Queen and her husband in his capacity as King of Arendia (which they do quite willingly).willingly, though they state that they will ''never'' swear fealty to him in his other legal persona as Duke of Mimbre). It's clearly pointed out that the hereditary Duchess of Asturia has ''always'' also been the Queen of Arendia by tradition throughout the entire centuries-long civil war, and ''nobody ever noticed before''.
2nd Jan '17 2:10:03 PM erana
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* CourtlyLove: Overlapping with LoveTriangle. Mandorallen is deeply in love with the wife of his ParentalSubstitute, and she with him. The problem is that he is too noble to go behind the back of his for-all-practical-purposes father, she is too noble to betray her husband, and said husband knows all about their love, and has taken up dangerous hobbies like dragon-hunting and warfare to get himself out of the way. Generations of Mimbrate women have wept tender tears at the pure, tragic nobility of it all.

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* CourtlyLove: Overlapping with LoveTriangle. Mandorallen is deeply in love with the wife of his ParentalSubstitute, and she with him. The problem is that he is too noble to go behind the back of his for-all-practical-purposes father, she is too noble to betray her husband, and said husband knows all about their love, and has taken up dangerous hobbies like dragon-hunting dragon-hunting, warfare, and warfare [[BewareTheNiceOnes running through those who badmouth his wife and adopted son with a lance]], to get himself out of the way. Generations of Mimbrate women have wept tender tears at the pure, tragic nobility of it all.
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