History Literature / TheArtOfWar

17th Jan '16 3:54:34 AM darksoul4242
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* ZergRush: Discouraged in hard and long tasks like siege warfare, but encouraged on open battlefields, specially when it's clear that you outnumber the enemy.

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* ZergRush: Discouraged in hard and long tasks like siege warfare, but encouraged on open battlefields, specially especially when it's clear that you outnumber the enemy.
18th Dec '15 9:19:28 PM YZQ
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* DeadpanSnarker: Whilst it is generally down to the translation rather than Tzu himself, there are some rather witty quips.

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* DeadpanSnarker: Whilst it is generally down to the translation rather than Tzu Sun himself, there are some rather witty quips.
29th Oct '15 4:20:00 PM SgtFrog1
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* DesperationAttack: "Throw the troops into a position from which there is no escape, and even when faced with death they will not flee." In actuality, Sun Tzu was warning ''against'' this because desperation attacks can still be pretty effective even if the enemy dies while doing it; that is, [[TakingYouWithMe if someone dies but takes out a decent chunk of your infantry while doing so, they've still won]] since you need time and man power to replenish and must potentially stop your forward progress. His answer was to always leave an escape route for the enemy, thus allowing them to rout, making them easy targets... and allowing them to run into the ambush you set up on the escape route so you could take them out there.

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* DesperationAttack: "Throw the troops into a position from which there is no escape, and even when faced with death they will not flee." In actuality, Sun Tzu was warning ''against'' this because desperation attacks can still be pretty effective even if the enemy dies while doing it; that is, [[TakingYouWithMe if someone dies but takes out a decent chunk of your infantry while doing so, they've still won]] since you need time and man power to replenish and must potentially stop your forward progress. His answer was to [[HopeSpot always leave an escape route for the enemy, thus allowing them to rout, making them easy targets... and allowing them to run into the ambush you set up on the escape route so you could take them out there.]]
25th Sep '15 4:27:25 PM nombretomado
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''The Art of War'' is easily the best-known military book ever written, and is still one of the most influential. Numerous translations are available, [[TheAnnotatedEdition most of which include at least a few commentaries and annotations]] (in fact, without the annotations, introductions and footnotes, ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' is surprisingly short). It is required reading in many militaries even today, and some Korean and Japanese corporations require their employees to read it and apply its lessons to the world of commerce. Napoleon is said to have had a well-used copy in French, and the WWII US general UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur is known to have taken its teachings to heart. It is also required reading in many [[CorruptCorporateExecutive executive]] [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives business]] courses; make of that what you will. There's even a story in the ComicBook ''TheQuestion'' where the eponymous hero and GreenArrow fights some bad guys while quoting the book throughout.

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''The Art of War'' is easily the best-known military book ever written, and is still one of the most influential. Numerous translations are available, [[TheAnnotatedEdition most of which include at least a few commentaries and annotations]] (in fact, without the annotations, introductions and footnotes, ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' is surprisingly short). It is required reading in many militaries even today, and some Korean and Japanese corporations require their employees to read it and apply its lessons to the world of commerce. Napoleon is said to have had a well-used copy in French, and the WWII US general UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur is known to have taken its teachings to heart. It is also required reading in many [[CorruptCorporateExecutive executive]] [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives business]] courses; make of that what you will. There's even a story in the ComicBook ''TheQuestion'' ''ComicBook/TheQuestion'' where the eponymous hero and GreenArrow ComicBook/GreenArrow fights some bad guys while quoting the book throughout.
31st Jul '15 2:34:20 PM DracMonster
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31st Jul '15 2:31:37 PM DracMonster
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The archetypal BigBookOfWar, ''The Art of War'' (孫子兵法, Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ) is a short 'Chinese' text on warfare, written by Sun Tzu, believed to have been a general of the nation of Wu during the Spring and Autumn Period (722481 BCE). In it, Sun gives a basic overview of both [[StrategyVersusTactics strategy and tactics]] that has given countless generations of military leaders and thinkers a basic grounding in military theory.

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The archetypal BigBookOfWar, ''The Art of War'' (孫子兵法, Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ) is a short 'Chinese' Chinese text on warfare, written by Sun Tzu, believed to have been a general of the nation of Wu during the Spring and Autumn Period (722481 BCE). In it, Sun gives a basic overview of both [[StrategyVersusTactics strategy and tactics]] that has given countless generations of military leaders and thinkers a basic grounding in military theory.
1st Jul '15 7:44:44 AM open_sketch
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** This seems odd to Western readers, as Europe has a long tradition of parole, ransom and prisoner exchange, but was actually just business as usual in premodern China.
17th May '15 7:17:59 PM Fireblood
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The text's surprisingly generality and generous overlaps with military-minded common sense go a long way to explain its popularity and universality. Sun maintains the importance of knowing one's enemies and oneself, striking at the enemy's weaknesses with overwhelming force, concealing one's own weaknesses, and the general importance of deception to military operations. Also covered are how to fight on different types of terrain, the use of fire, and the importance of spies. Perhaps surprisingly, the opening essay stresses the ''un''desirability of going to war at all, and how wars should be brought to a conclusion as quickly and brutally as possible.

''The Art of War'' is easily the best-known military book ever written, and is still one of the most influential. Numerous translations are available, [[TheAnnotatedEdition most of which include at least a few commentaries and annotations.]] (In fact, without the annotations, introductions and footnotes, ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' is surprisingly short.) It is required reading in many militaries even today, and some Korean and Japanese corporations require their employees to read it and apply its lessons to the world of commerce. Napoleon is said to have had a well-used copy in French, and the WWII US general UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur is known to have taken its teachings to heart. It is also required reading in many [[CorruptCorporateExecutive executive]] [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives business]] courses; make of that what you will. There's even a story in the ComicBook, ''TheQuestion'', where the eponymous hero and GreenArrow fights some bad guys while quoting the book throughout.

Due to this connection to the spheres of power, wealth and glory, it has an unfortunate tendency to be treated in modern media as [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic some sort of magic]] or [[MadScience occult science close to magic]]. It is not and never was. In practice, many people had reached the same conclusion as Sun himself via analysis and common sense, never having read the book. [[StrategyVersusTactics The strategic successes]] [[RealLifeWritesThePlot gained in practice]] in the conditions outlined by Sun 2,500 years before modern age only prove [[LeeroyJenkins that]] ''[[LeeroyJenkins not]]'' [[LeeroyJenkins using your common sense in campaigns and combat]] usually earn you a quick end at a much unripe age. And, which is worse, [[GeneralRipper earn the same end for your army and country due to recklessness]].

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The text's surprisingly generality general and generous overlaps with military-minded common sense go a long way to explain its popularity and universality. Sun maintains the importance of knowing one's enemies and oneself, striking at the enemy's weaknesses with overwhelming force, concealing one's own weaknesses, and the general importance of deception to military operations. Also covered are how to fight on different types of terrain, the use of fire, and the importance of spies. Perhaps surprisingly, the opening essay stresses the ''un''desirability of going to war at all, and how wars should be brought to a conclusion as quickly and brutally as possible.

''The Art of War'' is easily the best-known military book ever written, and is still one of the most influential. Numerous translations are available, [[TheAnnotatedEdition most of which include at least a few commentaries and annotations.]] (In annotations]] (in fact, without the annotations, introductions and footnotes, ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' is surprisingly short.) short). It is required reading in many militaries even today, and some Korean and Japanese corporations require their employees to read it and apply its lessons to the world of commerce. Napoleon is said to have had a well-used copy in French, and the WWII US general UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur is known to have taken its teachings to heart. It is also required reading in many [[CorruptCorporateExecutive executive]] [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives business]] courses; make of that what you will. There's even a story in the ComicBook, ''TheQuestion'', ComicBook ''TheQuestion'' where the eponymous hero and GreenArrow fights some bad guys while quoting the book throughout.

Due to this connection to the spheres of power, wealth and glory, it has an unfortunate tendency to be treated in modern media as [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic some sort of magic]] or [[MadScience occult science close to magic]]. It is not and never was. In practice, many people had reached the same conclusion as Sun himself via analysis and common sense, never having read the book. [[StrategyVersusTactics The strategic successes]] [[RealLifeWritesThePlot gained in practice]] in the conditions outlined by Sun 2,500 years before modern age only prove [[LeeroyJenkins that]] ''[[LeeroyJenkins not]]'' [[LeeroyJenkins using your common sense in campaigns and combat]] usually earn earns you a quick end at a much unripe age. And, which is worse, [[GeneralRipper earn the same end for your army and country due to recklessness]].



* CaptainObvious: "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight." Despite the text you just read likely inciting you to think "THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU!?", the context of the line continues and refers to how [[ExecutiveMeddling a monarch may want you to not fight for whatever reason]]. The rest of the line also states that if you will clearly ''lose'', don't fight even if if your sovereign commands you to.

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* CaptainObvious: "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight." Despite the text you just read likely inciting you to think "THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU!?", the context of the line continues and refers to how [[ExecutiveMeddling a monarch may want you to not fight for whatever reason]]. The rest of the line also states that if you will clearly ''lose'', don't fight even if if your sovereign commands you to.



* ToWinWithoutFighting: Trope Namer.

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* ToWinWithoutFighting: Trope Namer.TropeNamer.



* XanatosGambit: Learning to create a win-win situation would be invaluable for any general so naturally there's a few words how on to do it.

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* XanatosGambit: Learning to create a win-win situation would be invaluable for any general so naturally there's a few words on how on to do it.
7th Apr '15 12:09:36 PM 940131
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** Another one, when the enemy is bearing down on you, attack his weakest ally. Either he'll pull out to aid him, or he'll continue on after you, in which case no one will want to ally with someone who abandons them to death. Either you save yourself or you weaken whatever alliances the enemy has going for them. This is the type of tactic used when the Allies attacked Italy during WWII.

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** Another one, when the enemy is bearing down on you, attack his weakest ally. Either he'll pull out to aid him, or he'll continue on after you, in which case no one will want to ally with someone who abandons them to death. Either you save yourself or you weaken whatever alliances the enemy has going for them. This is the type of tactic used when the Allies attacked Italy during WWII.
6th Apr '15 10:42:32 AM nombretomado
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''The Art of War'' is easily the best-known military book ever written, and is still one of the most influential. Numerous translations are available, [[TheAnnotatedEdition most of which include at least a few commentaries and annotations.]] (In fact, without the annotations, introductions and footnotes, ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' is surprisingly short.) It is required reading in many militaries even today, and some Korean and Japanese corporations require their employees to read it and apply its lessons to the world of commerce. Napoleon is said to have had a well-used copy in French, and the WWII US general DouglasMacArthur is known to have taken its teachings to heart. It is also required reading in many [[CorruptCorporateExecutive executive]] [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives business]] courses; make of that what you will. There's even a story in the ComicBook, ''TheQuestion'', where the eponymous hero and GreenArrow fights some bad guys while quoting the book throughout.

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''The Art of War'' is easily the best-known military book ever written, and is still one of the most influential. Numerous translations are available, [[TheAnnotatedEdition most of which include at least a few commentaries and annotations.]] (In fact, without the annotations, introductions and footnotes, ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' is surprisingly short.) It is required reading in many militaries even today, and some Korean and Japanese corporations require their employees to read it and apply its lessons to the world of commerce. Napoleon is said to have had a well-used copy in French, and the WWII US general DouglasMacArthur UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur is known to have taken its teachings to heart. It is also required reading in many [[CorruptCorporateExecutive executive]] [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives business]] courses; make of that what you will. There's even a story in the ComicBook, ''TheQuestion'', where the eponymous hero and GreenArrow fights some bad guys while quoting the book throughout.
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