History Literature / TalesOfMu

13th Aug '17 1:28:58 AM SeptimusHeap
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* {{Lolicon}}:
** Implied to be a motive for [[spoiler:Two's creator designing her with a waifish body and to be completely hairless except for her head, although Two does later deny that he used her sexually]].
** Played with by [[spoiler:Mack Daddy]], who feeds on innocence.
4th Aug '17 11:38:40 AM Dix
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* KillingYourAlternateSelf: The Doppleganger Paradox - “it means perfect duplicates of intelligent beings won’t be able to rest until they’ve destroyed each other”. Coach Callahan thought that was just her, but since she has slaughtered everything up to & including a deity, it's not that surprising.
30th Jul '17 8:02:44 PM Willbyr
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** The delving students who Mack encounters after the botched teleport spell (see ContinuityOverlap above). One wants to kill her for XP, another (Seth) is ambivalent about whether she lives or dies, and another (Lacey) half-heartedly argues to let her live. This gets reinforced even more by [[spoiler:Seth's]] petulant attitude when [[spoiler:he's caught by Eloise after he and Lacey mess with a dwarven sword as a prank]] in a second-year side story.

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** The delving students who Mack encounters after the botched teleport spell (see ContinuityOverlap above). One wants to kill her for XP, another (Seth) is ambivalent about whether she lives or dies, and another (Lacey) half-heartedly argues to let her live. This gets reinforced even more by [[spoiler:Seth's]] [[spoiler:Seth]]'s petulant attitude when [[spoiler:he's caught by Eloise after he and Lacey mess with a dwarven sword as a prank]] in a second-year side story.



* MagicVersusScience:
** While magic works and is commonplace, belief in the power of scientific thinking is generally regarded as either dangerously deluded or childish fantasy. The Mechans are treated as the counterpart to Wiccans in our universe. See also ScienceCannotComprehendPhlebotinum below.
** This especially comes into ply when deaing with the Mechans. While it's a bit muddled by the fact that the author, like most authors, lives in a universe with empirically-determinable physical laws, the setting actually does a pretty good job of setting the "physics" up such that the magical view is actually the ''correct'' one. Mack's arguments against the Mechans, especially, are 100% valid in terms of what science actually is (in terms of being a method of working out how the world works, not just the set of laws that the system uncovers in ours). The "science" that the Mechans follow relies heavily on ignoring large swaths of empirical data in favor of cherry-picking only a few examples that fit their existing theory, and is in every real sense the opposite of science. To one-up even that, devices reliant on real-world physics and mechanics ''do'' work... but only when they've specifically been isolated from magic, such as in an extremely restrictive and uncommon set of physical circumstances. The Mechan faith is the equivalent of someone in the real world creating a physics model without gravity, arguing strenuously against the idea of gravity and ignoring any evidence that it existed, and then pointing to how things behave in free-fall in orbiting space stations as if they "validated" the world view. The comparison to real life Wiccan magic is, if anything, overly generous; Wicca can at least attribute matters of happenstance to its rituals, but the Mechans are empirically outright wrong.

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* MagicVersusScience:
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MagicVersusScience: While magic works and is commonplace, belief in the power of scientific thinking is generally regarded as either dangerously deluded or childish fantasy. The Mechans are treated as the counterpart to Wiccans in our universe. See also ScienceCannotComprehendPhlebotinum below.
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fantasy. This especially comes into ply when deaing with the Mechans.Mechans, who are treated as the counterpart to Wiccans in our universe. While it's a bit muddled by the fact that the author, like most authors, lives in a universe with empirically-determinable physical laws, the setting actually does a pretty good job of setting the "physics" up such that the magical view is actually the ''correct'' one. Mack's arguments against the Mechans, especially, are 100% valid in terms of what science actually is (in terms of being a method of working out how the world works, not just the set of laws that the system uncovers in ours). The "science" that the Mechans follow relies heavily on ignoring large swaths of empirical data in favor of cherry-picking only a few examples that fit their existing theory, and is in every real sense the opposite of science. To one-up even that, devices reliant on real-world physics and mechanics ''do'' work... but only when they've specifically been isolated from magic, such as in an extremely restrictive and uncommon set of physical circumstances. The Mechan faith is the equivalent of someone in the real world creating a physics model without gravity, arguing strenuously against the idea of gravity and ignoring any evidence that it existed, and then pointing to how things behave in free-fall in orbiting space stations as if they "validated" the world view. The comparison to real life real-life Wiccan magic is, if anything, overly generous; Wicca can at least attribute matters of happenstance to its rituals, but the Mechans are empirically outright wrong.



* NotAfraidToDie: Callahan. [[spoiler:She reveals to Mack Daddy that she's killed herself several times, and has no fear whatsoever of death, or even hell]].

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* NotAfraidToDie: Callahan. [[spoiler:She reveals to Mack Daddy that she's killed herself several times, and has no fear whatsoever of death, or even hell]].hell.]]



** Implying that an elf enjoys heterosexual intercourse is apparently a dire insult.

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** Implying that an elf enjoys Elven cultural hangups about heterosexual intercourse mean that implying that an elf enjoys it is apparently a dire insult.
30th Jul '17 7:09:25 PM Willbyr
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Chapter 496, plus a number of side stories, concluded Mack's first year at MU. The second year has reset the chapter numbering; so far, 322 chapters of the second year have been released, along with more side stories. Specific chapters will be referred to with the Y__-__ format; first blank is the year, second is the chapter number.

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Chapter 496, plus a number of side stories, concluded Mack's first year at MU. The second year has reset the chapter numbering; so far, 322 338 chapters of the second year have been released, along with more side stories. Specific chapters will be referred to with the Y__-__ format; first blank is the year, second is the chapter number.



** Special mention goes to the gods, who are theoretically walking, physical presences in the world, but (in a parody of D&D pantheons and how players interpret them) have commandments and belief systems so utterly meaningless that the faithful can declare anything they're doing to be in accordance with divine will and anything the non-faithful do as a vile abomination against nature. Since the protagonist is a half-demon who is literally damaged by the presence of sacred things, the complete lack of any real guiding code for any faith becomes rather painfully relevant on a regular basis.

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** Special mention goes to the gods, who are theoretically walking, physical presences in the world, but (in a parody of D&D pantheons and how players interpret them) have commandments and belief systems so utterly meaningless that the faithful can declare anything they're doing to be in accordance with divine will and anything the non-faithful do as a vile abomination against nature. Since the protagonist is a half-demon who is literally damaged by the presence of sacred things, the complete lack of any real guiding code for any faith becomes rather painfully relevant on a regular basis.



* BadassNormal: Callahan is an dwarf/elf/ogre/orc mongrel, which probably gives her an edge relative to humans, but she's still normal relative to the dragons and demons in the world. And we never see her using magic. But, among other feats of badassery, she [[spoiler:once killed a god]]. This makes her a good foil for Mack, who as a half-demon has a host of racial advantages (strength, partial invulnerability, flamethrowing) but is a woefully incompetent fighter.

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* BadassNormal: Callahan is an dwarf/elf/ogre/orc mongrel, which probably gives her an edge relative to humans, but she's still normal relative to the dragons and demons in the world. And world, and we never see her using magic. But, among other feats of badassery, she [[spoiler:once killed a god]]. This makes her a good foil for Mack, who as a half-demon has a host of racial advantages (strength, partial invulnerability, flamethrowing) but is a woefully incompetent fighter.



* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: Pretty much a way of life for elven middlings in Treehome (and, it's implied, for middlings in general), as Steff lays out in Y2-151. It's really not a nice way to live, for anyone there, which is why Glory's so keen to remove her court from there and establish their own space.

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* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: Pretty much a way of life for elven middlings in Treehome (and, it's implied, for middlings in general), as Steff lays out in Y2-151. It's really not a nice way to live, live for anyone there, which is why Glory's so keen to remove her court from there and establish their own space.



* CombatPragmatist: This is the essence of Callahan's teaching style, and also how she defines her own methods. She reveals to [[spoiler:Mack Daddy]] (and the reader) in the side story "Splish, Splash" that she keeps her thumbnails much longer and sharper than the others for gouging purposes, [[spoiler:and then she dissuades Mack Daddy from trying to attack her by pointing out that she is wearing magic press-on nails so she doesn't have to use a separate weapon against him.]]
* ContinuityOverlap: When Mackenzie's clothes, hospital bed, and knife disappeared in a botched teleportation spell, they all appeared in other stories by the author. [[spoiler:Her bra went missing for quite some time, until it was returned to Mack in a second-year OT story]].

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* CombatPragmatist: This is the essence of Callahan's teaching style, and also how she defines her own methods. She reveals to [[spoiler:Mack Daddy]] (and the reader) in the side story "Splish, Splash" that she keeps her thumbnails much longer and sharper than the others for gouging purposes, [[spoiler:and then she dissuades Mack Daddy from trying to attack her by pointing out that she is wearing magic press-on nails so she doesn't have to use a separate weapon against him.]]
him]].
* ContinuityOverlap: When Mackenzie's clothes, hospital bed, and knife disappeared in a botched teleportation spell, they all appeared in other stories by the author. [[spoiler:Her Her bra went missing for quite some time, until time [[spoiler:until it was returned to Mack in a second-year OT story]].



* {{Filler}}[=/=]FillerStrips: The series attempts to present a close-to-real-time story, which makes some parts seem written just to make the deadline. For example: one of the early chapters was devoted to Amaranth and Mack walking a few streets, getting on a subway-equivalent, getting out, and walking into a building.

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* {{Filler}}[=/=]FillerStrips: {{Filler}}: The series attempts to present a close-to-real-time story, which makes some parts seem written just to make the deadline. For example: one of the early chapters was devoted to Amaranth and Mack walking a few streets, getting on a subway-equivalent, getting out, and walking into a building.



** Played with a bit, in that it's a compulsion, not something the nymphs necessarily want, and it constantly snowballs into BlueAndOrangeMorality and more than once it's just off-the-charts creepy. Attempts to fulfill the 'nurturing' part also sometimes go horribly, horribly wrong since the nymphs' hard-wired innocence is maintained by a divinely-enforced ignorance.

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** Played with a bit, in that it's a compulsion, not something compulsion that the nymphs don't necessarily want, and it constantly snowballs into BlueAndOrangeMorality BlueAndOrangeMorality, and more than once it's just off-the-charts creepy. Attempts to fulfill the 'nurturing' part also sometimes go horribly, horribly wrong since the nymphs' hard-wired innocence is maintained by a divinely-enforced ignorance.



--> I couldn’t help but notice that he did things like use “fight” twice in the same sentence… and “underprivileged underclass?” It also seemed like he just dropped commas in wherever he felt like it… like there was no actual rules regarding their use… like he was just in love with them as a punctuation mark, or something. (Note that Mack, at another point, remarked in passing that she had once been marked down on an essay for using too many ellipses.)

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--> I couldn’t help but notice that he did things like use “fight” twice in the same sentence… and “underprivileged underclass?” It also seemed like he just dropped commas in wherever he felt like it… it...like there was no actual rules regarding their use… use...like he was just in love with them as a punctuation mark, or something. (Note that Mack, at another point, remarked in passing that she had once been marked down on an essay for using too many ellipses.)



-->Sooni narrated things in her head? That was easily the most ridiculous thing I’d ever heard.

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-->Sooni --->Sooni narrated things in her head? That was easily the most ridiculous thing I’d ever heard.
7th Feb '17 4:19:37 AM Willbyr
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* MakeAWish: [[spoiler:The entity in Hazel's necklace]] claims to not be a genie, but has the power to grant wishes. When it asks Mack if [[spoiler:getting her pitchfork back]] is what she wishes for, she responds with a carefully-worded wish for [[spoiler:the entity to start spilling the beans about what it really wants]]. Later on, she makes an even more carefully worded wish to [[spoiler:keep the entity from (hopefully) causing any more problems in the future]].

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* MakeAWish: [[spoiler:The entity in Hazel's necklace]] claims to not be a genie, but has the power to grant wishes. When it asks Mack if [[spoiler:getting her pitchfork back]] is what she wishes for, she responds with a carefully-worded wish for [[spoiler:the entity to start spilling the beans about what it really wants]]. Later on, she makes an even more carefully worded wish to [[spoiler:keep the entity from (hopefully) causing any more problems in the future]].future]], and then makes two final wishes that allow her to [[spoiler:get rid of the necklace safely and to forget what she did with it]].



* MissingEpisode: Y1-489. [[invoked]] It would cover the time in [[spoiler:Embries’ office]] where he deals with the matter of [[spoiler:Leda’s death]], magically forcing Mack to bear witness, while preventing her from passing on the experience to anyone else, including those who are viewing the world through her thoughts and perceptions (i.e. the readers). Accordingly, the entire narrative (including chapter heading and link) cannot be seen.

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* MissingEpisode: Y1-489. [[invoked]] It would cover MissingEpisode:[[invoked]] Two to date, each revolving around events that have been made ultra-secret for narrative reasons. Hence, the chapter headings and links are nonexistent.
** Y1-489 covers
the time in [[spoiler:Embries’ office]] where he deals with the matter of [[spoiler:Leda’s death]], magically forcing Mack to bear witness, witness while preventing her from passing on the experience to anyone else, including those who are viewing the world through her thoughts and perceptions (i.e. the readers). Accordingly, the entire narrative (including chapter heading
** Y2-337 covers [[spoiler:Mack taking Hazel's necklace to a hiding place
and link) cannot be seen.returning to campus]]. Her last wish was a means of covering her tracks [[spoiler:by forgetting everything from when she left to when she got back to safety]].
13th Nov '16 1:08:50 PM Alas_Poor_Donny
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** Nymphs are the incarnations of small bits of agricultural land, so they essentially are walking 'empty places to put/grow stuff' and it's just inherent to their nature to have a place to put things. Other characters use spells or enchanted containers to accomplish the same effect in a way that Mack considers more 'normal'.
25th Oct '16 5:12:30 PM dlchen145
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* TheFairFolk: Elves historically fall into this trope, and some wild adolescent elves still live there. Faeries exist, too, and are the only thing that the {{Badass}} elven hunter is afraid of (apart from {{bears|AreBadNews}}).

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* TheFairFolk: Elves historically fall into this trope, and some wild adolescent elves still live there. Faeries exist, too, and are the only thing that the {{Badass}} badass elven hunter is afraid of (apart from {{bears|AreBadNews}}).



** Coach Jillian "Jilly" Callahan has retired from being a mercenary and a successful dragon-slayer to teaching in the combat-athletics department of MU, but has not in any way retired from being {{Badass}}. This gets even more ridiculous when more of her past is revealed. She is also known as [[spoiler:Gillian Gottmörder]] and she received an imperial pardon for [[spoiler:three counts of attempted deicide (one of which succeeded, but they don't have a law to cover that), two counts of genocide, five counts of high treason against the Imperial Republic (which normally merits summary execution), and her various "petty" murders and property destructions. She also apparently stopped at least two attempts by the giants to retake the world]]. She has also killed seven [[spoiler:greater dragons]]. Possibly eight. One loses track.

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** Coach Jillian "Jilly" Callahan has retired from being a mercenary and a successful dragon-slayer to teaching in the combat-athletics department of MU, but has not in any way retired from being {{Badass}}.badass. This gets even more ridiculous when more of her past is revealed. She is also known as [[spoiler:Gillian Gottmörder]] and she received an imperial pardon for [[spoiler:three counts of attempted deicide (one of which succeeded, but they don't have a law to cover that), two counts of genocide, five counts of high treason against the Imperial Republic (which normally merits summary execution), and her various "petty" murders and property destructions. She also apparently stopped at least two attempts by the giants to retake the world]]. She has also killed seven [[spoiler:greater dragons]]. Possibly eight. One loses track.
12th Oct '16 4:16:51 AM Willbyr
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* ArtifactOfDoom: [[spoiler:The pitchfork]], which induces rage in its bearer.

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* ArtifactOfDoom: [[spoiler:The pitchfork]], which induces rage in its bearer. It's infernal in origin, and Mack is addicted to it although it's far enough away that this isn't a pressing concern.



* MakeAWish: [[spoiler:The entity in Hazel's necklace]] asks Mack if [[spoiler:getting her pitchfork back]] is what she wishes for. Mack thinks about this and then does wish...for [[spoiler:the entity to start spilling the beans about what it really wants]], using a carefully-worded wish.

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* MakeAWish: [[spoiler:The entity in Hazel's necklace]] claims to not be a genie, but has the power to grant wishes. When it asks Mack if [[spoiler:getting her pitchfork back]] is what she wishes for. Mack thinks about this and then does wish...for, she responds with a carefully-worded wish for [[spoiler:the entity to start spilling the beans about what it really wants]], using a carefully-worded wish.wants]]. Later on, she makes an even more carefully worded wish to [[spoiler:keep the entity from (hopefully) causing any more problems in the future]].


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* RepeatingSoTheAudienceCanHear: An in-story version in Y2-336. As Mack is communicating with [[spoiler:the entity in Hazel's necklace]], her responses work as a sort of Cliffs Notes version of the conversation for Hazel and Amaranth.
8th Oct '16 9:37:05 PM Willbyr
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* MakeAWish: [[spoiler:The entity in Hazel's necklace]] asks Mack if [[spoiler:getting her pitchfork back]] is what she wishes for. Mack thinks about this and then does wish...for [[spoiler:the entity to start spilling the beans about what it really wants]], using a carefully-worded wish.



** In Y1-121, 122, Rocky and Hissy confront Mack over the way Belinda's been acting since their fight, but at this point Mack is blood-hungry and rather demonic, and it goes very badly. Hissy is nearly driven insane when she tries to read Mack's mind, and Rocky gets a finger bitten off.

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** In Y1-121, Y1-121 and 122, Rocky and Hissy confront Mack over the way Belinda's been acting since their fight, but at this point Mack is blood-hungry and rather demonic, and it goes very badly. Hissy is nearly driven insane when she tries to read Mack's mind, and Rocky gets a finger bitten off.



* {{Squick}}: Elves have a deep-seated cultural aversion to genital contact. Glory even says it's [[InvokedTrope squicky]] in Y2-214 when talking about the reasons why elves avoid hetero relationships, and Steff notes in the previous chapter that any sexual hijinks that she, Mack, and Amaranth could get up to with Glory would, for the other elves present, pale in comparison to the kinkiness of eavesdropping on a human (Nicki) actually going down on Grace (an elf, and Glory's sister to boot).

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* {{Squick}}: Elves have a deep-seated cultural aversion to genital contact. Glory even says it's [[InvokedTrope squicky]] in Y2-214 when talking about the reasons why elves avoid hetero relationships, and Steff notes in the previous chapter that any sexual hijinks that she, Mack, and Amaranth could get up to with Glory would, for the other elves present, pale in comparison to the kinkiness of eavesdropping using their enhanced hearing to eavesdrop on a human (Nicki) actually Nicki (a human) going down on Grace (an elf, and Glory's sister to boot).


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* ThoughtAversionFailure: Referenced by Mack in Y2-335 in regards to [[spoiler:the...whatever it is...in the necklace]] trying to get her to act naturally while it's talking in her head.
-->It’s like telling someone not to think of an elephant, with the added complication that you’re sneaking up behind someone and whispering directly into their ear not to think about an elephant and, oh, keep calm and act naturally while they’re not doing so.
12th Sep '16 1:56:22 PM Willbyr
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* ScrewYourself: [[spoiler:Acantha]] makes out with [[spoiler:her mockboxed replica of herself]] in Y2-166.

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* ScrewYourself: [[spoiler:Acantha]] makes out with [[spoiler:her her mockboxed replica of herself]] herself in Y2-166.
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